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guy
02-07-2020, 15:31
About bloody time:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53268218

This could be interesting: will she fall off a yacht, slip on a wet floor and sustain lethal injuries in a prison toilet, or perhaps worst of all plea bargain and implicate some of her friends?

:dance:

Alex_UK
02-07-2020, 20:34
There was nothing sinister about Robert Maxwell’s death. He simply said to one of his hired blonde bimbo hotties “will you toss me off?” And she did.


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Marco
03-07-2020, 08:13
Haha - quality!:D

Marco.

Marco
03-07-2020, 08:23
About bloody time:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53268218

This could be interesting: will she fall off a yacht, slip on a wet floor and sustain lethal injuries in a prison toilet, or perhaps worst of all plea bargain and implicate some of her friends?

:dance:

Hopefully the latter - and if Andy-boy's guilty [and I think he's up to his eyes in it], he needs to feel the FULL FORCE of the law, minus any 'special protection'!! :more:

Like you say though, she might suffer an 'unfortunate accident' or 'commit suicide', before she sings like a canary and fingers some very naughty people in high places. I can just imagine them all squirming at the thought!:carrot:

Btw, have you considered who might've been behind tracking down Ghislaine Maxwell, and very determined to do so? Think about 'draining the swamp' and ultimately who brought down Epstein....;)

Marco.

HD Goofnut
03-07-2020, 14:42
You can’t help buy wonder if this exposing of the elite would be going on under a Clinton administration....

Gazjam
03-07-2020, 14:57
Bill or Hillary?

Slick Willie's names being bandied about a lot...

HD Goofnut
03-07-2020, 15:03
I think Hillary wears the trousers but maybe I have been duped into thinking Bill just likes pot, BJ’s from interns and his Sax.

tapid
03-07-2020, 15:27
I think Hillary wears the trousers but maybe I have been duped into thinking Bill just likes pot, BJ’s from interns and his Sax.
Ah, the golden couple....... remember when Bill showed no interest in sending a man to Mars until he realised it was VIRGIN territory !

Columbo
03-07-2020, 15:34
You don't know the half of it.

Entertaining 1.17mins:

https://youtu.be/-6lGG7OE3-0

Gazjam
05-07-2020, 11:57
Curiouser & Curiouser....
Ghislaine Maxwell and Kevin Spacey sit on thrones during a Buckingham Palace visit with former President Bill Clinton circa 2002

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/ghislaine-maxwell-kevin-spacey-throne.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=566

Marco
05-07-2020, 12:00
Indeed... Have you done some research on Kevin Spacey's, shall we call it, 'sexual proclivities'? He's a scumbag... They're all part of a ring, mate - including Andy-Pandy. Whether that's a sex trafficking one or paedo, or both, will come out in the wash, sooner rather than later!

:trust:

Marco.

struth
05-07-2020, 12:16
Indeed... Have you done some research on Kevin Spacey's, shall we call it, 'sexual proclivities'? He's a scumbag... They're all part of a ring, mate - including Andy-Pandy. Whether that's a sex trafficking one or paedo, or both, will come out in the wash, sooner rather than later!

:trust:

Marco.

yeah i heard about many a while ago..

Marco
05-07-2020, 12:39
Many what, mate? Just to be clear:)

Marco.

struth
05-07-2020, 12:44
well im not repeating them on line

Marco
05-07-2020, 12:56
Sure, but I'm just unclear WHAT you're referring to, not necessarily whom. No offence, but that's the problem with rather glib, short sentences, lacking any 'meat on the bone'.

If you've got something to say, spit it out, rather than just hinting or talking in riddles!:ner:;)

Are you referring to Spacey, Maxwell, Andy-Pandy or what?

Marco.

struth
05-07-2020, 13:17
spacey

Marco
05-07-2020, 13:22
Right, I see. Don't get why you won't state what you've seen though, as it's unlikely to be a big secret, and probably all online already!;)

What do you think's gonna happen - some big bad men coming after you?:D

Marco.

struth
05-07-2020, 13:23
Right, I see. Don't get why you won't state what you've seen though, as it's unlikely to be a big secret, and rather all online already!;)

What do you think's gonna happen - some big bad men coming after you?:D;)

Marco.

i dont know if its been processed by law so i'd rather not.. its not right in my book. I leave that to the papers... Lets just say he went down in my estimation.

tapid
05-07-2020, 13:36
Right, I see. Don't get why you won't state what you've seen though, as it's unlikely to be a big secret, and probably all online already!;)

What do you think's gonna happen - some big bad men coming after you?:D

Marco. You don't know.... Kevin may send his heavies !....... its one of those things though if your unsure to say anything... KEEP QUIET

Gazjam
05-07-2020, 13:59
Not researched into any of this, other than what's been reported by mainstream media, it all turns my stomach to be honest.

There's a specific reason Spacey isn't working any more.
Was in the press at the time and like Grant, my preference isn't to repeat it.

As you say though,
Things are coming out, maybe, but its not new news.

Marco
05-07-2020, 14:04
Absolutely... It's 'well known' though, if you do the proper research, that Hollywood is one massive undercover den of paedophilia, with some BIG names involved in some very dodgy [sickening] behaviour, to say the least! :spew:

Read what Mel Gibson's had to say on the matter recently, among others, who've chosen not to 'participate'.

I'll post some links later to a few 'interesting' tit-bits. as I don't have any qualms about discussing and/or revealing any such information, as it's already all out there in the public domain... I'm ALL for EXPOSING it and ensuring that those guilty, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, pay for their crimes!!

Marco.

Marco
05-07-2020, 15:19
Read this article: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/01/an-open-secret-hollywood-child-abuse-documentary

Then watch this film: https://vimeo.com/142444429

Thoughts please, once you've done both?:)

Marco.

P.S Just noticed that you need to watch it directly via Vimeo. so please do so, by clicking on the necessary tab.

guy
10-07-2020, 13:51
Well it looks like we are being prepared for an "accident", suicide or attack by prison inmates :

https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-epsteins-ex-lover-made-to-wear-paper-clothes-in-new-york-jail-over-suicide-risk-12025447

guy
10-07-2020, 13:54
Meanwhile, Andy is agonising over what to do :violin:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/embattled-prince-andrew-unsure-of-condemning-friend-maxwell-39349616.html

Gazjam
10-07-2020, 14:02
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb8ErYqUMAEpsjy.jpg

Alex_UK
10-07-2020, 18:58
Gorgeous Escort RS2000 - worth a mint now. Sorry, back to the thread... :)

Gazjam
10-07-2020, 19:17
Andy with his 15 year old Escort...

Marco
10-07-2020, 19:34
Aye, that's more like it:lol:

The paedo c*nt's going down (along with others) - and I for one will REJOICE when it happens!:yay:

Marco.

Marco
10-07-2020, 19:39
Well it looks like we are being prepared for an "accident", suicide or attack by prison inmates :

https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-epsteins-ex-lover-made-to-wear-paper-clothes-in-new-york-jail-over-suicide-risk-12025447

She needs to be kept alive, at ALL costs, so she sings like a canary and 'fingers' all the pervo/paedo bastards, hiding behind their wealth and 'status', who need quickly brought to justice!

Marco.

Alex_UK
10-07-2020, 20:35
Andy with his 15 year old Escort...

:rfl::rfl::rfl::rfl::rfl:

mikeyb
10-07-2020, 23:01
Anonymous allegedly have a copy of Epstein’s little black book, some very interesting names have been leaked, whether it’s true or not I’ve no idea, but the list of travellers on his jet is also interesting.

Think the LBB is more than likely a list of celebs and politicians that have been noted to attend some of his ‘parties’, almost a who’s who of Hollywood, and the Senate, as well as a few brits mentioned.

No way will this go to court. The Elite look after their own [emoji6]

Marco
10-07-2020, 23:07
Well, Mikey, that power deserves removing from them, as well as they themselves being eradicated!! Can't stand the fucks, especially Royals.

Quite simply, if you're guilty of any wrong doings, particularly vile shit like this, money or status should NOT put you beyond the law!:nono:

EVERYONE should be treated, and if necessarily punished, EQUALLY!

Marco.

guy
11-07-2020, 06:23
Andy with his 15 year old Escort...

:lol: I did wonder what the photo was

guy
11-07-2020, 06:26
She needs to be kept alive, at ALL costs, so she sings like a canary and 'fingers' all the pervo/paedo bastards, hiding behind their wealth and 'status', who need quickly brought to justice!

Marco.

I was just having an Al-Fayed moment

struth
11-07-2020, 06:29
His birthday(Andrew) is same as mine, 19th Feb... As is Lee Marvin.. But I'm better looking lol

Marco
11-07-2020, 08:36
I was just having an Al-Fayed moment

Oh yeah, the dude who's son (and his somewhat 'well-known', soon-to-be-wife) were killed in a, er, 'car accident' in Paris? Yeah, there was nothing remotely suspicious there, no siree....

Marco.

Marco
11-07-2020, 08:36
His birthday(Andrew) is same as mine, 19th Feb... As is Lee Marvin.. But I'm better looking lol

And (reputedly) have a bigger cock.

Marco.

struth
11-07-2020, 08:41
And (reputedly) have a bigger cock.

Marco.

no answr to that really...:scratch:

struth
11-07-2020, 08:42
I see she has applied to get out on bail due to the virus in prison ..if its granted, you can bet she will have an accident

Marco
11-07-2020, 08:43
no answr to that really...:scratch:

:lolsign:

Marco.

Pigmy Pony
11-07-2020, 14:34
His birthday(Andrew) is same as mine, 19th Feb... As is Lee Marvin.. But I'm better looking lol

I bet you can't sing "Wandering Star" like Marv though :)

struth
11-07-2020, 14:38
I bet you can't sing "Wandering Star" like Marv though :)

ha, no, but i can drink whisky as well :D

actually i'd probably be as off key as he was

Pigmy Pony
11-07-2020, 14:47
Probably whisky that made his voice like that, or the 100 fags a day...

mikeyb
11-07-2020, 17:13
If you want to dig deeper use

https://duckduckgo.com/search_box

It doesn't censor like Google does.

Search Rachel Chandler, Tony Podesta for starters, be warned not for the faint hearted.

Red Shoe Club is something else to check.

Bill Clinton took 26 flights on Epsteins Lolita Express, I wonder why?

Hillary is fighting like hell NOT to testify, saying that she's a high ranking government official and shouldn't have to, she thinks she's above the law [emoji2959]

Marco
11-07-2020, 18:03
Indeedy... I'm aware of most of that sickening depravity. But you forgot to mention 'Pizzagate'....

And do you think Hilarity Clitoris has been sniffing some 'steam'?;)

Marco.

mikeyb
11-07-2020, 18:07
Indeedy... I'm aware of most of that shocking depravity. But you forgot to mention 'Pizzagate'....

And do you think Hilarity Clitoris has been sniffing some 'steam'?;)

Marco.I edited out pizzagate in my post as it was originally debunked and I didn't have time to check that out, it would however appear to be real [emoji3525]

$65,000 spent on pizza ( girls ) and hotdogs ( boys )[emoji848]

struth
11-07-2020, 18:28
One way or t'other she won't blab.
As for Andrew he is not wanted or suspected of anything according to us prosecutors.
Of course they may just be saying that lol.
But he is right to give any info on his terms not theirs.
I know I would.

Marco
11-07-2020, 18:35
I edited out pizzagate in my post as it was originally debunked and I didn't have time to check that out, it would however appear to be real

$65,000 spent on pizza ( girls ) and hotdogs ( boys )[emoji848]

What makes you think it's real? That's my gut feeling, but just curious of your rationale:)

Btw, did you get the 'steam' reference?

Marco.

Marco
11-07-2020, 20:26
Btw, in terms of 'Pizzagate', have you read this article (and also watched the video at the end on Podesta):https://www.fulcrumnews.com/blog/2019/2/11/pizzagate-is-real-and-john-podesta-needs-to-go-to-prison-for-it

Marco.

Mikeandvan
11-07-2020, 20:59
The girl Andy was supposed to have banged was 17 at the time, that's one year over the age of consent in the UK, so what's all the outrage about? Fuck sake, I bet all of you in high school never had sexual feelings right? There were kids in my school fucking by the age of 15.

Marco
11-07-2020, 21:23
That's not the point though, Mike, or the reason for the 'outrage'. It's the wider issue of him possibly being linked with the sex trafficking Epstein was involved in, and paedophile rings - and if there's any truth in that whatsoever, then there'll be plenty to be 'outraged' about!!

For many, the stench of Saville still lingers within the corridors of Buckingham Palace, wondering how vermin like that could be *so* friendly with the Royal Family, without them supposedly knowing anything [not even a teeny-tiny bit] about his 'sexual proclivities'... And, trust me, I could say a LOT more about that stuff!

Marco.

Barry
11-07-2020, 22:31
The girl Andy was supposed to have banged was 17 at the time, that's one year over the age of consent in the UK, so what's all the outrage about? Fuck sake, I bet all of you in high school never had sexual feelings right? There were kids in my school fucking by the age of 15.

The girl was a US citizen and the age of consent is 16 for the majority of US states, but not all.

guy
12-07-2020, 12:36
I am not an expert in this (and American law seems to vary from state to state)but from wikipedia:

"In most states there is not a single age in which a person may consent, but rather consent varies depending upon the minimum age of the younger party, the minimum age of the older party, or the differences in age. Some states have a single age of consent.[58] Thirty U.S. states have age gap laws which make sexual activity legal if the ages of both participants are close to one another,[115] and these laws are often referred to as "Romeo and Juliet laws".[110] Other states have measures which reduce penalties if the two parties are close in age, and others provide an affirmative defense if the two parties are close in age.[115] Even though state laws regarding the general age of consent and age gap laws differ, it is common for people in the United States to assume that sexual activity with someone under 18 is statutory rape"

So the grooming, transportation and age gap between the girls and the men (in positions of authority) must be playing a part in this situation.

Barry
12-07-2020, 13:27
Wikipedia was where I looked to make my post.

Distasteful as it might be, if the event occurred in a state which had does have a single age of consent and not a "Romeo and Juliet" law, and consent had been given, then no law has been broken.

The assumption that sexual activity with someone under 18 is statutory rape, is no proof. Again distasteful, but proof would have to be presented that consent had not been not given.

guy
12-07-2020, 15:44
US Virgin Islands - where I understand Epstein ran his "business" and took many of the girls has age of consent set as 18.

Edit, the above then brings this in to force (I think):
{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2423(a)} forbids transporting a minor (defined as under 18) in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent of engaging in criminal sexual acts in which a person can be charged. This subsection is ambiguous on its face and seems to apply only when the minor is transported across state or international lines to a place where the conduct is already illegal to begin with. The United States Department of Justice seems to agree with this interpretation.

Marco
12-07-2020, 16:00
Whatever way you cut it, at the minimum he was a perv, and likely guilty of much more that was far worse!

If Andy-Pandy's been up to no good (the same), I wonder if it'd be allowed to come out - and if he'd be taken to task for it...?

Marco.

Barry
12-07-2020, 16:36
US Virgin Islands - where I understand Epstein ran his "business" and took many of the girls has age of consent set as 18.

Edit, the above then brings this in to force (I think):
{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2423(a)} forbids transporting a minor (defined as under 18) in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent of engaging in criminal sexual acts in which a person can be charged. This subsection is ambiguous on its face and seems to apply only when the minor is transported across state or international lines to a place where the conduct is already illegal to begin with. The United States Department of Justice seems to agree with this interpretation.

If that is where those events took place then yes, the law was broken.

I believe Jerry Lee Lewis's third marriage was 'controversial' for similar reasons: the crossing of a State line into a State where the age of consent was lower.

struth
12-07-2020, 16:58
Never saw the attraction in young meat.. With age comes style and experience..
Chasing near kids is bordering.. No it is perverted. Unless your a young un yourself of course.

Any adults taking 16/17 Yr olds like that deserve what they get

guy
12-07-2020, 18:23
^^^ :thumbsup:

When I was 16/17 I liked 16/17 year old girls - I think it is called age appropriate.

30/40 year age differences just don't seem right.

Barry
12-07-2020, 18:27
^^^ :thumbsup:

When I was 16/17 I liked 16/17 year old girls - I think it is called age appropriate.

[B]30/40 year age differences just don't seem right{/B].

That seems to be the province for rock stars, African dictators, or media and event tycoons.

guy
12-07-2020, 19:03
Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith for instance :eek:

RobbieGong
12-07-2020, 19:13
Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith for instance :eek:

Yeah, proper wrong

Alex_UK
12-07-2020, 20:34
And (reputedly) have a bigger cock.

Wow, I never even knew you kept chickens Grant!

Mikeandvan
12-07-2020, 20:38
That's not the point though, Mike, or the reason for the 'outrage'. It's the wider issue of him possibly being linked with the sex trafficking Epstein was involved in, and paedophile rings - and if there's any truth in that whatsoever, then there'll be plenty to be 'outraged' about!!

For many, the stench of Saville still lingers within the corridors of Buckingham Palace, wondering how vermin like that could be *so* friendly with the Royal Family, without them supposedly knowing anything [not even a teeny-tiny bit] about his 'sexual proclivities'... And, trust me, I could say a LOT more about that stuff!

Marco.

I think the term sex trafficking is used too widely here. It has connatations of violent gangsters kidnapping women and selling them for sex, using the term to descibe was Epstein was up to belittles those poor women sold for sex. To me the women/girls Epstein exploited were willing partners, i do not think any crime has been committed here, years ago we just called it growing up. I remember girls in my high school fucking at the age of 15, really, its patronising.

Marco
12-07-2020, 21:02
Wow... Sorry, I'm afraid I'll have to vehemently disagree!!

Marco.

Barry
12-07-2020, 21:10
Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith for instance :eek:

Amongst others!

Barry
12-07-2020, 21:16
I think the term sex trafficking is used too widely here. It has connatations of violent gangsters kidnapping women and selling them for sex, using the term to descibe was Epstein was up to belittles those poor women sold for sex. To me the women/girls Epstein exploited were willing partners, i do not think any crime has been committed here, years ago we just called it growing up. I remember girls in my high school fucking at the age of 15, really, its patronising.

And were your fellow female alumni 'fucking' middle-aged men?

Gazjam
12-07-2020, 22:25
And were your fellow female alumni 'fucking' middle-aged men?

Strongly agreed with.

Macca
13-07-2020, 07:29
John Peel married a 15 year old when he was 26, that tends to get glossed over for some reason. It was in Texas in 1965 though so all nice and legal...

Marco
13-07-2020, 07:49
As ever, it's a matter of context; these things aren't 'black or white'.

The issue of reasonable consent must be considered, plus I'd contend that there's a big difference between the relationship you're stating with JP, between himself, at 26, and a 15-year old girl, and that of, say, Epstein as a 67-year old man (before he 'died') and any 'relationships' he'd had with procured minors!

And if Andy-Pandy's guilty of the same 'capers', especially any involvement in Epstein's sex trafficking, then he deserves to be found out and punished for it by the FULL force of the law, Royal or no Royal!!

Marco.

Mikeandvan
13-07-2020, 08:33
And were your fellow female alumni 'fucking' middle-aged men?

I think there are girls who find middle aged men attractive, I mean if they're George clooneys for instance. I remember this one girl in my school - back in the mid 80s, who said she would let George Michael do anything to her, lol, I don;t think he would have been interested, but heh, it kept the dream alive!

struth
13-07-2020, 08:50
I think there are girls who find middle aged men attractive, I mean if they're George clooneys for instance. I remember this one girl in my school - back in the mid 80s, who said she would let George Michael do anything to her, lol, I don;t think he would have been interested, but heh, it kept the dream alive!

yeah but middle aged men are supposed to have grown out of being led by their dicks, and also supposed to understand its not a good thing for girls or the girls family.
Far too much of the i want, i can get so fuck it i will just take it

Marco
13-07-2020, 08:55
Far too much of the i want, i can get so fuck it i will just take it

:exactly:

And that arrogant and selfish [and in this case immoral and illegal] shit fucking angers me like you wouldn't believe!!

Marco.

Mikeandvan
17-07-2020, 19:16
Wonder how Ghislaines getting on? Food's probably a tad less quality than what she's used to.

tapid
17-07-2020, 19:50
Wonder how Ghislaines getting on? Food's probably a tad less quality than what she's used to.

Do you really think she s being put through the mill ?, I doubt it.

Mikeandvan
17-07-2020, 21:07
Do you really think she s being put through the mill ?, I doubt it.

Good point, being America, you can probably buy a penthouse suite as a prisoner.

tapid
17-07-2020, 22:21
Good point, being America, you can probably buy a penthouse suite as a prisoner.

Yeah, although do you remember Grouty in Porridge ?, even had a budgie in his cell lol

Macca
18-07-2020, 07:55
Yeah, although do you remember Grouty in Porridge ?, even had a budgie in his cell lol

In 'Goodfellas' they had steaks and wine. Or maybe she could get on the rodeo team like in 'Stir Crazy.'

guy
28-07-2020, 16:11
Or donate some photos and videos of her celebrity friends to the prison library :eyebrows:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/e2c2fbda-d665-3484-b5b8-7c72c8dac23c/ghislaine-maxwell-fights-to.html

Macca
28-07-2020, 16:33
Maybe it's different in women's prisons? If I recall my 'Prisoner: Cell Block H' none of them got special treatment like budgies or steak. Although you could end up with your head in the laundry steam press if you pissed off the 'top dog'.

Which, curiously, is not something you ever see being done or even threatened in male prison telly or films. Yet they must have a laundry press the same as the women do.

guy
28-07-2020, 17:15
When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Gazjam
28-07-2020, 18:01
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12041691/ghislaine-maxwell-live-jeffrey-epstein-latest-news/

Have similar reporting from the Evening Standard, in case anyone's taking notes... :D

Macca
28-07-2020, 18:13
'According to a pal.' lol.

guy
28-07-2020, 18:17
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12041691/ghislaine-maxwell-live-jeffrey-epstein-latest-news/

Have similar reporting from the Evening Standard, in case anyone's taking notes... :D

From this link:

"GHISLAINE Maxwell could strike a plea deal, exonerate Prince Andrew from any wrongdoing and walk in a few years,"

No guarantee of ever walking again if she doesn't :)

Marco
28-07-2020, 19:08
If Andy-Pandy is in *any* way guilty of any wrong-doings, he should be EXPOSED accordingly and face punishment for it, the SAME as any other citizen of the UK. He should NOT be treated as 'special' in any way, or given any special protection.

Most of all, there should be no 'underhand coercion' applied to Maxwell, in order to get her to 'behave' in a certain way and hide the truth. The TRUTH should be allowed come out in a court of law, in its FULL glory, whatever the REAL truth is.

*THAT* is what should happen - nothing else! I don't give a fuck about the Royal Family [I can't stand the bastards], but it's about time their shady shenanigans came out and were known to the general public, so that everyone can see EXACTLY WHAT they are, instead of having the wool continually pulled over their eyes!!

Marco.

goraman
19-08-2020, 05:14
Maybe it's different in women's prisons? If I recall my 'Prisoner: Cell Block H' none of them got special treatment like budgies or steak. Although you could end up with your head in the laundry steam press if you pissed off the 'top dog'.

Which, curiously, is not something you ever see being done or even threatened in male prison telly or films. Yet they must have a laundry press the same as the women do.

Do you really think she is in G pop?
My guess is she should be in protective custody under 24 hour supervision.
I 'll bet the price on her head is worth a crown. Pun intended.

Firebottle
19-08-2020, 08:42
Good one Jeff.

Marco
19-08-2020, 09:08
Do whatever it takes to get the manky tart to sing like a canary, and finger Andy-Pandy, so I can laugh like fuck when his peado-ass is sent down!:carrot:

Marco.

guy
19-08-2020, 19:43
Do whatever it takes to get the manky tart to sing like a canary, and finger Andy-Pandy, so I can laugh like fuck when his peado-ass is sent down!:carrot:

Marco.

I think that there has been quite enough digital manipulation going on in this case :eek: :

https://www.theweek.co.uk/107710/prince-andrew-spitting-image-puppet-assault-virginia-giuffre

guy
08-11-2020, 18:11
Will she get a pardon as part of Donald's leaving gift to the American people :whistle:

guy
30-12-2021, 10:23
More to come pre sentencing?

struth
30-12-2021, 10:35
More to come pre sentencing?

it was always going to be guilty, even if she wasnt. no way she could get a fair trial tbh with so much talked about it and type of case etc.
Not to say she wasnt guilty of course anyway, but it doesnt change the facts of life.

Epstein was a control freak, and im guessing she was too.

Mikeandvan
31-12-2021, 12:27
Must be quite a drop in quality of life for Ghislane. But besides the fact she sounded like a total spoilt bitch, I don't believe her crimes were that serious, I'm not even sure Epsteins crimes were either. This is only what I've read in the papers, but as far as I can gather, he got post pubescent girls to give him massages, and a few of the older ones, like 16 or 17 to perform sexual acts. Doesn't sound to me like anyone was forced, and of course the justice of this matter is completely skewered by the financial rewards of exagerating your pain and apparent innocence.

Macca
31-12-2021, 12:40
Not forced but 'groomed'.

Seems like she recruited teenagers who were working as waitresses at various luxury resorts and promised them a world where they would mix with influential people and make connections when in reality they would just become concubines.

I suppose if you are from Florida and end up at Epstein's house in New York at 17 years old you can walk out but where do you go? You've not even got the money for the train home.

Some of the witnesses had already had a few million each from victim funds and prior out of court settlements of civil suits but they still chose to testify in this case, does that make them more credible?

Also I doubt Epstein would have topped himself if he thought he was completely innocent, likewise Maxwell wouldn't have spent six months on the lam if she thought there was no case to answer.

Mikeandvan
31-12-2021, 13:06
Yes they still chose to testify, does that mean they'll be line for even more compo? This case is nothing compared to the Pakistani grooming scandal in Rotherham, those girls were threatened with violence, given drugs, and full intercourse took place. Where's the perspective? How long a sentence will Maxwell receive? I think the almost 2 years she has been incarcerated already sounds like too much for these rather petty sounding crimes. I think Weinstein also didn't get a fair hearing because of the way in which criminal sentencing these days seems to be so easily swayed by public opinion. And the apparent victims in his case were adult women too feeble to leave the room!

Macca
31-12-2021, 13:33
I think there's an element of truth in what you are saying. Especially with the Weinstein affair. But he behaved badly and abused his position of power, so did Maxwell and Epstein, so seems reasonable to me that they should receive some sort of punishment for that.

Obviously 80 years in prison which is what Maxwell could get is ridiculously out of proportion to the crime.

struth
31-12-2021, 13:40
pretty much everyone in usa gets 80 yrs... they really make it very unlikely for folk to go quietly.

Macca
31-12-2021, 13:44
They like their 'eye for an eye' over there.

walpurgis
31-12-2021, 13:51
Over here, you just get an ankle monitor.

Pigmy Pony
31-12-2021, 14:21
Over here, you just get an ankle monitor.

Yeah, we're too soft over here. The ankle monitor thing would be ok if it could give electric shocks. But then the liberal softies would be whining about human rights or something

struth
31-12-2021, 14:28
https://youtu.be/YnVtcBFrE7o?t=169

2.40 on:eyebrows:

Pigmy Pony
31-12-2021, 14:38
:lol: Perfect! And if they don't have hairy legs there's always superglue.

Mikeandvan
31-12-2021, 21:47
I get the impression that sentencing in the US can be quite arbitrary, and varies a lot from the deep south to the metropolitan North. There is a weird thing in the Maxwell case that it is a 'federal' crime, that is it occurred across several states, this is where the charge of trafficking comes from in this case, so this makes it more serious, can someone enlighten me? According to today's Times, Maxwell's best chance is to cooperate and give up some of the other so called abusers, for a more lenient sentence, there must be some nervous big wigs in America at the moment, not to mention our Andy! I'd be stunned if he was prosecuted, but of course the British state would never hand him over. Assange on the other hand...........

Macca
31-12-2021, 22:22
I think she will appeal rather than squeal. She would need to help get them evidence, her word alone would not be enough.