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Rare Bird
05-07-2010, 16:57
J.A Michell 'Focus One'/Hadcock 'GH220'/Nagaoka 'MP11 Boron'
To my shame Pioneer PL112D with a Shure, had to be, too many years ago. Planar 3 (rb200) which I still use.
Good to see you using other sections Andre.
quadsugdenman
05-07-2010, 17:07
Goldring G102/wanky Goldring arm/G800 cartridge. Tracked like a Kangaroo on speed :rofl::wah:
Garrard SP25 Mk.III (?) with Shure M3D.
I was about 7 or 8 and it was an el cheapo Emerson all-in-one jobbie with the tuner, amp, and the turntable on top with dinky separate speakers. Probably bought just so me and my brother would stop playing 45's on the living room stereo. :lol:
I know, not hifi but my first thing that could play vinyl.
Blimey...there I was typing away about my Roksan Xerxes and I suddenly remembered that Thorens 160 that actually did for quite a few years. Probably its original arm and lord knows what cartridge...an ortofon I think.
..wait, what on earth was that Russian thing I had as a kid/teenager? The name has gone..
The Grand Wazoo
05-07-2010, 17:25
The same as Barry - Garrard SP25 with a Shure (don't know which model). The plinth & lid came from one friend & the mechanism came from another!
Dave Hewitt
05-07-2010, 17:32
Bsr mp60 with shure m3d
Dave.
Gyro with SME 309 arm and some Transfiguration Cart
Techno Commander
05-07-2010, 17:54
One of these. :)
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/85060563.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548D874096B0B4943E6 62604930C34245DBC7AA592DA5E23711
My first deck was a Trio belt drive (no idea of the model number) which was originally bought by my dad in the early 70s.
It was quite a looker - the plinth was either rosewood or mahogany. Sounded very 'pipe and slippers' and sent a strangely comforting gentle metalic 'kerr-ploink' through the speakers whenever the semi-auto mechanism operated.
Ah, those were the days.
The Trio later made way for a Dual 505, which sounded better but was horribly plasticky and didn't provide the same sense of pride of ownership.
My first 'proper' deck was a Manticore Mantra, which blew me away completely. All upgrades since then have been relatively minor by comparison. One hell of a record spinner, that Mantra........
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
:)
Martin
Luxman PD290 D Drive, with standard Luxman arm and a Ortofon VMS 30? Cartridge, Still got the TT but the Cartridge was kippered by the Tin Lids long ago
Townshend 'Rock'/Linn 'Basic'/Nagaoka 'MP11 Boron'
(all boxed up in the garage ready to be resurrected someday for nostalgia)
BSR MP15 (IIRC) and Sonotone 9TAHC.
Rare Bird
05-07-2010, 18:14
Townshend 'Rock'/Linn 'Basic'/Nagaoka 'MP11 Boron'
(all boxed up in the garage ready to be resurrected someday for nostalgia)
Hi Mark
Can i ask what you use instead of the Rock?
:popcorn:
Yes,
I have a Clearaudio Champion 2 with CMB,Brinkmann 10.5 arm and ZYX Yatra cart,
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a158/markf_pfm/TT3.jpg
Techno Commander
05-07-2010, 18:30
Townshend 'Rock'/Linn 'Basic'/Nagaoka 'MP11 Boron'
Thats jumping in at the deep end for a first turntable. :)
Good old Garrard AP76 with Shure cart (M75ED??).
"Thats jumping in at the deep end for a first turntable."
Not really, before that it was a Philips record player with built in amp.
Rare Bird
05-07-2010, 19:04
Yes,
I have a Clearaudio Champion 2 with CMB,Brinkmann 10.5 arm and ZYX Yatra cart,
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a158/markf_pfm/TT3.jpg
RE: the deck alone, i'm not convinced that deck is a better sounding TT than the Rock
:sofa:
BSR thingie with Empire cartridge.
My first deck was a Trio belt drive (no idea of the model number) which was originally bought by my dad in the early 70s.
It was quite a looker - the plinth was either rosewood or mahogany. Sounded very 'pipe and slippers' and sent a strangely comforting gentle metalic 'kerr-ploink' through the speakers whenever the semi-auto mechanism operated.
Ah, those were the days.
The Trio later made way for a Dual 505, which sounded better but was horribly plasticky and didn't provide the same sense of pride of ownership.
My first 'proper' deck was a Manticore Mantra, which blew me away completely. All upgrades since then have been relatively minor by comparison. One hell of a record spinner, that Mantra........
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
:)
Martin
Well...if yer gonna do nostalgia and Dad's
I still have terribly fond memories of my Dad's Pye Black Box.
Bless' im.
I can remember getting back late from the pub/parties, whatever,around '75 and putting a cushion on the floor with the two speakers forming a triangle over my spinning head.
We woz too poor for 'eadphones in them days.
Did Lindisfarne or Yes ever sound better? Probably not.
Garrard AP76 with Goldring G800 (later, M75-ED) and Goldring VV7 phono stage.
It was a Sharp something or other, from Second-Hand Land in Norwich. No idea what cartridge it had, I just bought it because my midi system one was crap and broken... Then I got given the Garrard 401/SME 2009/Shure M75 combo - happy days, though I never knew anything of it's pedigree or desirability until relatively recently.
First stand alone TT..... Amstrad TP12D with standard arm and either G800 or MP11 can't remember which was first (c'mon it was 1976)
Rare Bird
06-07-2010, 00:07
First stand alone TT..... Amstrad TP12D with standard arm and either G800 or MP11 can't remember which was first (c'mon it was 1976)
It'll be Goldring 'G800'
Probably, I've had a few sleeps since then and I know I had both at some time and a shure of some form possibly a V15
Haselsh1
06-07-2010, 08:12
Garrard GT35 with an Ortofon FF15E cartridge. I liked it a lot at the time but it was replaced with a Thorens TD160BC with a Mayware Formula IV arm and a Lentek Entre 1 cartridge.
Rare Bird
06-07-2010, 09:17
Probably, I've had a few sleeps since then and I know I had both at some time and a shure of some form possibly a V15
Well the MP11 wasnt out then
My first turntable was a JVC QL-70 fitted with a SME III arm and Signet TK7E cartridge which I bought from the now deceased Radford Hi- FI in Bristol. But within a few months I bought a Denon DP80 with Micro Seiki MA505S and SAEC 308L tonearms from Hong Kong, since then my itch has never stopped.
My first proper T/T was an Ariston RD11S in 1981/82 (which was better, IMO, than the LP12):
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2000/aristonrd11s.png (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/aristonrd11s.png/)
Before that, during the 70s, I was using the T/Ts on Sanyo and Sony 'music centres' - who remembers those?
Check out this vid for a giggle (absolute sacrilege!!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEPjfWmWX0U&feature=related
Marco.
Check out this vid for a giggle (absolute sacrilege!!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEPjfWmWX0U&feature=related
:eek: what a bunch of retarded f*ckwits!
Those Sanyo Music Centres were horrible, horrible things. They should all have had that done to them.
Beobloke
06-07-2010, 10:20
My first separate turntable was part of the system I inherited from my father when he upgraded and was a Hitachi PS-17 with Audio Technica cartridge. Actually a very nice deck and I still think had the smoothest and slickest auto-return action I have ever seen on any turntable!
This followed a Bush music centre that had a Garrard 630S turntable, which in turn followed a "Tower System" that definitely was NOT made by Amstrad. No, absolutely not. Definitely.:o
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First turntable was a weird concoction of assorted spare parts pinched from dead ERAs (remember them?) and Connoisseurs. The chassis was made from Dexion speed-frame suspended on three Austin 1300GT throttle springs inside an old commode. The arm was a Transcriptors Fluid, and the assortment of cartridges included a Technics EPC450C, which needed it's own power supply. Sadly, I didn't have a camera at the time, so you'll just have to use your imagination! As time went by I developed it a bit more, upgraded the chassis to welded steel, got the platter, bearing, suspension and plinth sorted and it turned into the Mk1 version of the Heybrook TT2.
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Stratmangler
06-07-2010, 13:11
My first TT was a Christmas present, and was a Telefunken record player.
The picture is the posher stereo version - mine had a single oval speaker set into the perspex lid, and a single built in mono amp.
There was a DIN output so that you could connect a radio to create stereo.
The arm lift was a feature of the model pictured, and did not appear on mine.
The platter was driven by idler IIRC.
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/Stratmangler/IMG_0436.jpg
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae88/Stratmangler/IMG_0437.jpg
spendorman
06-07-2010, 13:33
Decca Deccadec.
Bet not many remember that. Basically, a Garrard SP25 with a special arm that the Decca Deram ceramic cartridge plugged directly in to.
anthonyTD
06-07-2010, 18:03
Garrard SP25 with SME 3009 arm, and shure cartridge.:)
A...
The Grand Wazoo
06-07-2010, 18:07
Looks like the SP25, & variants thereof, are pulling ahead - that's 4 of us now! They were rather ubiquitous.
Depending on what year we're talking about! ;)
When were the SP25s on sale?
Marco.
spendorman
06-07-2010, 18:22
I think I remember SP25 from about 1967, could be wrong though. There was the similar AT6, AT60, Deccadec and the 2025 range with a cheaper arm. Think the 2025TC was usually fitted with Sonotone 9TA or 9TAHC cartridge.
Techno Commander
06-07-2010, 18:24
Check out this vid for a giggle (absolute sacrilege!!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEPjfWmWX0U&feature=related
Marco.
They should have got bigger fireworks. :)
I think I remember SP25 from about 1967, could be wrong though. There was the similar AT6, AT60, Deccadec and the 2025 range with a cheaper arm. Think the 2025TC was usually fitted with Sonotone 9TA or 9TAHC cartridge.
Thanks, Paul. Any idea when they stopped selling them? I was only 2 years old in 1967.
Anthony and Chris, when did you buy yours? The reason I mention this is that SP25s were by no means "ubiquitous" when I first got into hi-fi (1981) - it was more like Regas, Duals and LP12s then, which were considered as such :)
Marco.
Thanks, Paul. Any idea when they were no longer sold? I was only 2 years old in 1967.
Anthony and Chris, when did you buy yours? The reason I mention this is that SP25s were by no means "ubiquitous" when I first got into hi-fi (1981) - it was more like Regas, Duals and LP12s then, which were considered as such :)
Marco.
SP25s were largely ubiquitous during the mid to late '60s (unless of course you could afford a 301/401 or Thorens TD124, (later the TD125, or the TD150). The Pioneer PL12 became popular in the early '70s, just before the coming of the hegemony of that 'tarted up' Ariston deck - the Linn LP12!
Regards
spendorman
06-07-2010, 18:37
Thanks, Paul. Any idea when they stopped selling them? I was only 2 years old in 1967.
Anthony and Chris, when did you buy yours? The reason I mention this is that SP25s were by no means "ubiquitous" when I first got into hi-fi (1981) - it was more like Regas, Duals and LP12s then, which were considered as such :)
Marco.
I lost interest in SP25 in the 70's, think by about 72 they were on to Mk4 or 5/ Think the very last SP25 Mk ?? might have been a belt drive. I still have a couple of SP25's in the loft. Bet that they would still work after 30+ years of storage. They had really good motors. An SP25 with a Shure cartridge could sound very good. If arm was a bad sample (with excessive friction) may gouge records though!)
SP25s were largely ubiquitous during the mid to late '60s....
Lol - what age is Chris then for him to consider the SP25 as "ubiquitous"?
Chrissy-boy, I always thought you came across as quite a young chap!! :eyebrows:
Marco.
hifi_dave
06-07-2010, 18:50
Marco,
My first turntable was a Garrard AT6 which I bought in 1963. I bought this model because I couldn't find the extra couple of Quid that the SP25 cost...:(
That will give you some idea.
spendorman
06-07-2010, 18:53
Some dates here for SP25 etc.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.grammofonmuseum.no/Recordplayer/garrard/Thumb/garrard_sp25mkiv_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.grammofonmuseum.no/Recordplayer/recordplayer.htm&usg=__9n3wqJC-WvrOwJtkHTqvVX-kg-k=&h=65&w=98&sz=3&hl=en&start=18&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=KTCiEaaaGeM1WM:&tbnh=54&tbnw=81&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgarrard%2Bsp25%2Bmk%2B6%26um%3D1%26hl %3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1
Some dates here for SP25 etc.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.grammofonmuseum.no/Recordplayer/garrard/Thumb/garrard_sp25mkiv_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.grammofonmuseum.no/Recordplayer/recordplayer.htm&usg=__9n3wqJC-WvrOwJtkHTqvVX-kg-k=&h=65&w=98&sz=3&hl=en&start=18&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=KTCiEaaaGeM1WM:&tbnh=54&tbnw=81&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgarrard%2Bsp25%2Bmk%2B6%26um%3D1%26hl %3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1
Ah, that means my SP25 was a Mk II.
Cheers, guys. It's a bit before my time, though... However, I much prefer the look of the AT-6 to the SP25! It looks 'chunkier' and better built, to me :)
But then I'm also someone who much prefers a 301 to a 401, for the same reasons!
Marco.
spendorman
06-07-2010, 19:01
Cheers, guys. It's a bit before my time, though... However, I much prefer the look of the AT-6 to the SP25! :)
Marco.
There was the AT60 as well, can't remember the difference between AT6 and AT60, may have just been cosmetic.
Cheers, guys. It's a bit before my time, though... However, I much prefer the look of the AT-6 to the SP25! :)
Marco.
My SP25 (now known to be a Mk II edition), looked very much like the AT-6; same arm and similar headshell. No auto change mechanism though (!)
Regards
spendorman
06-07-2010, 19:03
My SP25 (now known to be a Mk II edition), looked very much like the AT-6; same arm and similar headshell. No auto change mechanism though (!)
Regards
As time went on the headshells (with the bayonet fixing) became lower mass.
Nice one, Barry. It's the plinth and the overall build quality of the AT-6 that looks more substantial to me. I know bugger all about it, though! :eyebrows:
Marco.
As time went on the headshells (with the bayonet fixing) became lower mass.
Agreed. The skirt of the headshell on my SP25 was not as deep as that shown on the AT-6.
spendorman
06-07-2010, 19:08
The AT60 looks more like the SP25 Mk2 than the AT6
http://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/at60.jpg
As mentioned, the AT6/ AT60 were auto changers, but could be used as single players. The long spindle was replaceable with a short spindle.
The AT60 looks more like the SP25 Mk2 than the AT6
http://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/at60.jpg
As mentioned, the AT6/ AT60 were auto changers, but could be used as single players. The long spindle was replaceable with a short spindle.
Yes that's it! Ignore the autochange mechanism and it's (from memory) exactly like my old SP25 /II.
spendorman
06-07-2010, 19:16
Yes that's it! Ignore the autochange mechanism and it's (from memory) exactly like my old SP25 /II.
Funny how I can remember a lot of this old stuff, but not remember much more important things!
The Grand Wazoo
06-07-2010, 20:17
Lol - what age is Chris then for him to consider the SP25 as "ubiquitous"?
Chrissy-boy, I always thought you came across as quite a young chap!! :eyebrows:
Marco.
I'm almost exactly the same age as you Marco, there's a few months between us. I got mine in about '82 - it was ancient then, but there were always Garrards in the house from when I was tiny. Plenty of folks my family knew when I was very young had very tasty systems - especially the folks from the US
Ah, I was wondering! :eyebrows:
Plenty of folks my family knew when I was very young had very tasty systems - especially the folks from the US
Lucky you, having relatives who were into quality hi-fi in those days. I had to discover all that stuff myself much later :cool:
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
06-07-2010, 20:31
I always regard the SP25 as the forerunner of the Planars in that it was many people's first step into proper hi-fi. Plenty of people never felt the need to upgrade till CD came along. SP25's were everywhere in the early 70's, many folks got themselves a Sansui T101 or something similar to go with them along with maybe Wharfedale XP2's. I bet Dave will probably recognise that particular combo!
SP25's were everywhere in the early 70's....
Not where I was in Scotland, dude, as far as I can remember.... However, TBH, at 5 years old, I wouldn't have known an SP25 from the M25 (even if it had been built then). At that age I was far too busy playing with my football, bicycle and action men to even remotely notice such things! :eyebrows:
Respect, though, for having such a retentive memory and being quite incredibly observant at such a young age :respect:
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
06-07-2010, 21:01
Well, I spent quite a few years overseas in places where there wasn't a TV & if you went out you stood a chance of getting eaten by wildlife or kidnapped by the friendly locals!!!!!
Lol - sounds exciting... I led a much more sheltered life in comparison, although you wouldn't think it now! ;)
Marco.
Garrard SP25 with SME 3009 arm, and shure cartridge.:)
A...
Two questions.
How did you?
Why would you?
The SP25 had two major problems. The arm bearings were lousy and were further compromised by the auto mech, and the main bearing was a ghastly ball-race affair that rumbled like a Sherman Tank on a Bailey bridge. The BSR MP60 was much the same, but flimsier. Didn't stop them both selling shed-loads until the Pioneer PL12 came along and showed them how to do it.
The Grand Wazoo
06-07-2010, 21:05
...... if you went out you stood a chance of getting eaten by wildlife or kidnapped by the friendly locals!!!!!
Mind you I also lived in Cowdenbeath for a while - which was similar!!!!
Spectral Morn
06-07-2010, 21:08
Ariston Q deck with Goldring 1022 cartridge.
Regards D S D L
Mind you I also lived in Cowdenbeath for a while - which was similar!!!!
Hahaha - love it! I'm afraid that I was a spoiled little brat who went to Prep school and lived in a posh part of town in the south side of Glasgow with my parents from 1965 until 1991, when I then married Del and we got our first flat together... I've only lived in four different houses in my whole life, and all of them in the UK :)
Marco.
Rare Bird
06-07-2010, 21:23
Depending on what year we're talking about! ;)
When were the SP25s on sale?
1960 ish
Hahaha - love it! I'm afraid that I was a spoiled little brat who went to Prep school and lived in a posh part of town in the south side of Glasgow with my parents from 1965 until 1991, when I then married Del and we got our first flat together... I've only lived in four different houses in my whole life, and all of them in the UK :)
Marco.
<reels back in shock at the thought of Marco at Prep school>
I hope you're not "irking" - you'll be in trouble! :spank:
Well the MP11 wasnt out then
I know I had an MP11 on it at some stage before I upgraded the TT in 86
<reels back in shock at the thought of Marco at Prep school>
Hahaha.... Well it was a reality, and I still have the little cap, blazer and shorts to prove it, although they don't quite fit anymore (much as I try, y'understand, in those 'quiet moments' alone in front of the mirror :eyebrows:)
We used to get elocution lessons from a lady called Miss McGinney, and I was learning French, Latin, and doing algebra in Primary Five!
I was a lovely little boy in those days, haha..... I 'got corrupted' in state secondary school when I discovered girls ;)
Marco.
anthonyTD
07-07-2010, 07:06
marco,
i had mine second hand in the early 1980's so you can still consider me as a young chap.:eyebrows:
A...
Beobloke
07-07-2010, 08:05
Two questions.
How did you?
Why would you?
I was wondering that myself.....:scratch:
My first SP25 was a MK3 of my father's which went into the loft when it stopped working and he bought the Hitachi PS-17 I mentioned earlier. The Garrard came out a few years later and was going to be thrown out but I grabbed it and took it apart to see how it worked (I would have been about 9 at the time). I was mortified that it took me nearly 3 weeks to figure out how it went back together but it did, I fixed the problem with it (seized grease - quelle surprise) and it started a lifelong obsession with turntables.
It also started my Garrard obsession, which turned into a collection when I discovered car boot sales and the Freeads paper. I had about 50 different Garrard models at one point, as part of my 80-strong turntable collection (yes EIGHTY - makes my current 42 look tame!). Sadly, my nan then died, I lost my storage facility (her house) and they all had to go. :(
Oh, God!
Fifty different Garrard models were enough to have your own Garrard museum, a heaven for the Garrard fans.:lol:
A collection of forty two turntables, I assume, should be a record, not to mention eighty. I thought I was crazy, but ....I have no words!:stalks:
Dave Hewitt
07-07-2010, 09:40
Hi
It seems the m3d was a popular cartridge to use with the bsr and garrard decks,seems to have become popular again.
Dave.
marco,
i had mine second hand in the early 1980's so you can still consider me as a young chap.:eyebrows:
A...
Lol, nice one. I did wonder! :eyebrows:
Marco.
JOE!BLOGGS
07-07-2010, 11:02
All DJ's in the seventies had SP25's similiar to todays technics 1210 fad.
Spectral Morn
07-07-2010, 11:09
All DJ's in the seventies had SP25's similiar to todays technics 1210 fad.
Please pop into the Welcome section of the forum and say hello. Tell us a bit about yourself, what system you have, music you like and can you put your first name in as your signature.
Thank you in advance.
Regards D S D L
Indeed, I've already asked 'Joe' to do that before....
'Joe', if you post again without complying with the above request, and are simply here for a wind up, I'll have no option but to remove your account.
Marco.
Beobloke
07-07-2010, 11:51
All DJ's in the seventies had SP25's similiar to todays technics 1210 fad.
Strictly speaking, a serious DJ of that era would have had Garrard Disco Driver 80 decks, which were basically an SP25Mk6 with the automatic gubbins removed.
Ian Walker
09-07-2010, 13:27
Hahaha.... Well it was a reality, and I still have the little cap, blazer and shorts to prove it..
Marco.
Yesh and he still loves to shlip into them for the annual Jimmy Crankie convention..i have a piccy somewhere:)
chris@panteg
10-07-2010, 10:36
My 1st deck was a Phillips plastic thingy , but my true 1st record player was the classic
Dual cs 505 mk2 fitted with an OM 30 concord style cart , not bad sounding but a little lightweight.
Buggleskelly
10-07-2010, 16:10
My 1st turntable was a B&O 1102 with an MMC 3000 cartridge (inc Beomaster 1100 & SP25 sepeakers)
The first bit of proper stereo kit that I bought. Replaced my Dad's old rubbish Furgeson music centre.
Cheers / Stevie
Yeehaa, another Will Hay fan ^^^^ :)
Buggleskelly signal box scene with Will Hay clearing the plants away to operate the signals and points:
Harbottle: "'Ere, 'ere, I brought these up by hand!"
Will Hay: "Well they are coming down by foot!"
Priceless.
Rare Bird
04-08-2010, 08:48
Indeed, I've already asked 'Joe' to do that before....
'Joe', if you post again without complying with the above request, and are simply here for a wind up, I'll have no option but to remove your account.
Marco.
:lolsign:
Thermionic
04-08-2010, 09:15
My very first was a tiny Garrard SB something or other with an Acos GP91SC crystal cartridge.
The next was a Connoisseur BD1 Kit with a home built Jack Bikerstaff unipivot (design published in Wireless World) and a Shure M75E.
tannoy man
04-08-2010, 17:39
Pioneer PL 112D, Shure M75ed from Comet, they also had Leak 2075 and Wharfdale Airdales I wanted them so much.
Next was Sansui SR222, Denon DP2000 with ADC alt arm, Logic DM101 with early ITTOK and Supex SD900, Lingoed LP 12 [ fell out of tune to often ] Garrard 401 and finally Thorens TD 124, Jelco 750 d, Denon 103
I will keep this one.
Dr. Flicker
05-08-2010, 16:33
First table (early 80's) consisted of....
Rega 2 table
Stax UA 7 carbon fibre arm
Ortifon moving coil cartridge (MC something...can't remember)
Wish I still had it....or at least that arm.
I've resisted getting back into vinyl...so far.
My first deck was a Connoisseur BD-1 built into my own plinth with an SME3009-II and Shure M55E cartridge. I'm surprised there haven't been more Connoisseurs as first decks here!
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