Mystery veteran car

[Roy S]

Can anyone identify this car? It apparently belonged to a friend's Granddad. If it helps (it hasn't helped me) the reg was NS411. Closest we've got is an Albion.

Thanks for your assistance in advance!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49926767296_e2a4ae54c0_o.jpg

[struth]

I'll go for a Stevens-Duryea. Early.. Maybe 1903/4.

[Roy S]

I'll go for a Stevens-Duryea. Early.. Maybe 1903/4.

Thanks for having a look Grant. Any idea what model? I've looked through all the images for Stevens-Duryea that Google throws up and whilst some are similar none really match?

[struth]

No, maybe a model 3. Or maybe a Ford model A
There were a few made that were tailor made coachwork wise so won't deffo be exact. Ti's a lovely big motor

[Roy S]

There were a few made that were tailor made coachwork wise so won't deffo be exact. Ti's a lovely big motor

True enough after all they were basically just horse carriages with engines added, easy enough to adapt. It was apparently purchased in 1911, must have been second hand because it's obviously a much earlier car. Wouldn't want to try parallel parking it.

[Audio Al]

Could it be a rolls canardely :scratch:
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Rolls down hills and can hardly get up the other side :)

:door::sofa:

[Light Dependant Resistor]

There are clues in the image, On the rear panel is its name, what appears as in the last section dallgo 4V and prior to that what looks as clifford
but is very obscured.

The second clue is the use of larger rear rear wheels, very few manufacturers were doing this. and the Year is between 1898- and 1903
as I can see. These pages give many manufacturers and detail of individual designs. http://earlyamericanautomobiles.com/1902.htm

[Roy S]

There are clues in the image, On the rear panel is its name, what appears as in the last section dallgo 4V and prior to that what looks as clifford
but is very obscured.

The second clue is the use of larger rear rear wheels, very few manufacturers were doing this. and the Year is between 1898- and 1903
as I can see. These pages give many manufacturers and detail of individual designs. http://earlyamericanautomobiles.com/1902.htm

Thanks very much for studying the picture in such detail but try as I might I can't make out those words (any words) but I'm only looking at a laptop screen, where exactly are they?

And thanks for the resource you linked to, I'll have a look through that later.

[DGP]

There's a very active photo identification group at the family history site Rootschat - free to join.
DGP

[struth]

could also be a Peugeot Type 15 .. a bit earlier i think... not sure the age but i think very late 19th c

[struth]

https://auto-zer.com/uploads/peugeot/peugeot-type-15-double-phaeton/peugeot-type-15-double-phaeton-02.jpg

has some similarities and were made in various styles i think

[Sherwood]

Surely one of the most distinguishing features is the driving position and the fact that there is a passenger seat in front of the driver.

[mikeyb]

Think someone's photoshopped the horse out [emoji848]

[Roy S]

There's a very active photo identification group at the family history site Rootschat - free to join.
DGP

Thanks.


could also be a Peugeot Type 15 .. a bit earlier i think... not sure the age but i think very late 19th c

Closest I've seen Grant, I read up & they were exported to the UK. Mr Rolls of Rolls Royce actually had one.


Surely one of the most distinguishing features is the driving position and the fact that there is a passenger seat in front of the driver.

But I'm wondering if the front seat was a later addition?

[Sherwood]

But I'm wondering if the front seat was a later addition?

It looks to me that the front seat is integral and that the front panel pivots up when that seat is not in use. Otherwise, why would the driving position be so far back?

[Light Dependant Resistor]

Thanks very much for studying the picture in such detail but try as I might I can't make out those words (any words) but I'm only looking at a laptop screen, where exactly are they?

And thanks for the resource you linked to, I'll have a look through that later.

I have circled where the lettering is, enlarge the image you provided, and you will firstly see 4V at the end, and follow back from there for other lettering. Looking at it again this morning before what looks to be clifford, is, or what appears as, Michel. The a we use for Michael commonly today looks to be missing. There was much flamboyance too with the way writing occurred back then. Generally you would say the writing is cursive ( the keyboard and typewriter before it are to blame, for the boring writing we see today :) ) and the h has a extension toward what might be the e

[Sherwood]

It has just occurred to me that if the front flap does fold up, that the two projections on the bottom might be rear view mirrors. :rolleyes:

Time displacement .....

[Roy S]

Thanks everyone for your input, I finally found it (not quite sure how, more than a bit of luck involved).

May I present the 1901 Arrol Johnston

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49932297372_01e2aeb8e0_o.jpg

[Light Dependant Resistor]

Yes that's it for sure, a good find may though be a 1902 model as pictured here, but not a lot of difference, but is the Dog cart model they produced.

[Roy S]

Yes that's it for sure, a good find may though be a 1902 model as pictured here, but not a lot of difference, but is the Dog cart model they produced.

It all ties in, they were a Scottish company & the original picture was taken in Scotland. Thanks again for your help, I can sleep tonight now.

[Macca]

Made in Scotland but there's no provision for when it rains? And passengers sitting in the front seat - if you're looking for the crumple zone, it's you!

[walpurgis]

Why do the men in old photographs always have moustaches?

[Roy S]

Made in Scotland but there's no provision for when it rains?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49933422306_1f3521f24a_o.jpg

[struth]

funny as i was going to suggest arrol Johnston of glasgow.... camlachie to be precise... Arrol was involved with the forth bridge i think

found a nice pic of one of their dog carts, this one with a roof...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/1902_Arrol-Johnston_Dog_Cart_871450970.jpg

[Roy S]

One of us is going to get a letter Grant

[struth]

One of us is going to get a letter Grant

lol

[spendorman]

It's a beautiful machine, looks like an updated and improved version of my Volvo 340GL.

[struth]

It's a beautiful machine, looks like an updated and improved version of my Volvo 340GL.

yeah, very bling; gold wheels :eyebrows:

[Sherwood]

I think it must be a Surrey! :)


funny as i was going to suggest arrol Johnston of glasgow.... camlachie to be precise... Arrol was involved with the forth bridge i think

found a nice pic of one of their dog carts, this one with a roof...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/1902_Arrol-Johnston_Dog_Cart_871450970.jpg

[Macca]

That's some good fringe-work right there.