View Full Version : Why don't we all just listen thru NS10s?
sluggish
02-07-2010, 19:20
Since tons of shit we all listen to was mixed thru 'em (and their ilk), wouldn't listening thru 'em home limit some of the variables in the playback chain and allow us all a more faithful view of the artists' vision? And they can't sound that bad, can they?
In a standard domestic audio system, the NS10's are VERY brightly lit, to put it politely, but the balance when sited on a meter bridge was enough to see how a nasty little stereo would sound. The actual mixing was more often done on "proper" monitors. In the same way, the noise-boxes used before the NS10's were Auratones and these were truly, truly horrid!!!!!
These days, Yamaha themselves have moved into either "powered" or fully active speakers, huge monitors apparently aren't used much these days and most mixing is done on two-way active monitors costing around £2-3K pr I understand.
sluggish
02-07-2010, 21:00
Why did they ever use those huge monitors anyway. I know that "grot boxes" like the NS10 are used for mixing sometimes because they simulate the sound of the end users' typical mass market systems, but not many consumers have big honkin' Westlakes in their living rooms. It is just a bit of flash to impress the studio clientele?
to see how a nasty little stereo would sound. The actual mixing was more often done on "proper" monitors. In the same way, the noise-boxes used before the NS10's were Auratones and these were truly, truly horrid!!!!!
My mate who was a sound engineer just sold his, and this is exactly what he told me - the idea is that they replicate the cack most people listen through not the more hifi end, that most of us do.
I've listened to them many times, as he used to just have the one set up for years in his flat, and Dave is right with "VERY brightly lit" - I doubt any of us would be able to live with them for the amount of time we spend listening to our tunes.
Marco could, with his sources and amps ;)
BIG monitors get truly to the heart and soul of the music LOUDLY in a way that no small speakers do. I remember the time I heard some ATC200A's, even though the drivers were similar as my 100A's (an extra bass unit and a different tweeter), the drama and sheer realism was palpable - and this with an AVI preamp and CD player, plus a DAT machine with some master copies of jazz (I think).
I do think that many studios have lost the plot, as decent gear gets regularly changed for the sake of it. I also think a lot of recording and possibly mixing is done on headphones, then sent to a mastering engineer for finishing off..
Marco could, with his sources and amps ;)
Expand on what you mean by that, old chap. I think I getcha, but some clarification, just to nail it, would be appreciated :cool:
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
03-07-2010, 00:27
Haha - this is a subject I've wanted to broach so many times on AoS but have been afraid of the response because I would have couched the question from the other end of the telescope - i.e. 'should all recording personnel who use these speakers be lined up against a wall and shot?'
There is of course the legendary story of the pro-audio magazine that carried out a comparative review of various brands of bog-roll. The premise of the review was to find which is the best type to tape across the tweeter in the vain attempt of taming it's vicious output.
Expand on what you mean by that, old chap. I think I getcha, but some clarification, just to nail it, would be appreciated :cool:
Marco.
Sorry to butt in, but my uneducated (only 2-3 years messing with audio [I was an Onkyo HT schmuck before]) guess would be that if there is any hint of noise or artifice in your source setup, then hi-end monitors will drive you out of the room.
I only say this because although my speakers aren't the "revealing" type, I feel like this is an issue I'm facing now.
Is that about right Dave?
Marco could, with his sources and amps ;)
Expand on what you mean by that, old chap. I think I getcha, but some clarification, just to nail it, would be appreciated
guess would be that if there is any hint of noise or artifice in your source setup, then hi-end monitors will drive you out of the room. (SNIP)
Is that about right Dave?
No - I don't think it is anything other than just an innocent reference to:
but not many consumers have big honkin' Westlakes in their living rooms.
..but Dave will no doubt confirm in due course. (You'll know when Dave MEANS to be controversial! ;))
hifi_dave
03-07-2010, 11:05
There is of course the legendary story of the pro-audio magazine that carried out a comparative review of various brands of bog-roll. The premise of the review was to find which is the best type to tape across the tweeter in the vain attempt of taming it's vicious output.
Charmin is the stuff - obviously. Double layer, waffle pattern. Far superior to Tesco 'bog' standard....:eyebrows:
As for massive monitors. In the good ol' days they were pretty well as good as it got for sound quality. Huge Tannoy DC's gave the quality to determine how good the recording and provide the realistic volume levels for the engineer and producer to hear what's what. You can't do that with a squitty little active jobbie....:trust:
Expand on what you mean by that, old chap. I think I getcha, but some clarification, just to nail it, would be appreciated :cool:
Marco.
I mean it with respectful sincerity, as you've got nice noises from your Ditton15XR's.. I wasn't taking the pee
The "quality" of upper mid and treble from the NS10's isn't too bad, it's just that there's a bit too much of it for lesser harsher systems to deal with (a bit like a much refined royd without the "sting" of SSSSSintra's :lol:). The system you have would make 'em sound better balanced I reckon.
Ns10's certainly communicate, that's for sure.
Techno Commander
03-07-2010, 12:19
Ns10's certainly communicate, that's for sure.
So does a kick in the nadgers!
But its not the most subtle way of saying something.
sluggish
03-07-2010, 22:21
Didn't they used to have special kleenex to cover up the tweeters with to calm them down?
And what Dave said about the involving sound of the big monitors is interesting. Has anyone here ever put together anything for home use around fostex, TAD, or JBL horn drivers? I think Fostex even has nice wooden exponetial hornes, alnico drivers, and free Xover and enclosure plans, so it wouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to do...
I doubt you'd find many have this side of the pond, although one or three pairs of the huge DMT Tannoys (with 15" DC PLUS 15" bass driver) have found their way into enthusiasts' homes.
Huge pro monitors are NOT an easy listen, as the dynamics and inner detailing are exaggerated if anything to enable the engineer to hear deep into the mix. Sometimes this works against you and often, despite the intense sense of detail, the colouration and dispersion characteristics were pretty pants TBH..
The most recent distortion reproducer I heard was the "back-door designed" BBC LS5/12A, the gross resonances at the 5KHz region making the speaker one of the least musically enjoyable boxes i'd heard in years. Wonderful for reproducing distortion and noise in the signal, but not for natural instrumental timbre IMO.
I doubt you'd find many have this side of the pond, although one or three pairs of the huge DMT Tannoys (with 15" DC PLUS 15" bass driver) have found their way into enthusiasts' homes.
Huge pro monitors are NOT an easy listen, as the dynamics and inner detailing are exaggerated if anything to enable the engineer to hear deep into the mix. Sometimes this works against you and often, despite the intense sense of detail, the colouration and dispersion characteristics were pretty pants TBH..
The most recent distortion reproducer I heard was the "back-door designed" BBC LS5/12A, the gross resonances at the 5KHz region making the speaker one of the least musically enjoyable boxes i'd heard in years. Wonderful for reproducing distortion and noise in the signal, but not for natural instrumental timbre IMO.
Pro monitors are designed to be revealing, designed to show up faults: tape dropout, microphone problems and as you say, to enable the mixing engineer to hear deep into the mix. They do not have to be accurate, natural or realistic. In most cases they are not.
A different set of requirements are demanded of speakers used to QA recordings and monitor broadcasts. These speakers are required to accurately reproduce exactly what is on the record or what is being broadcast. Some of the best known speakers used for this purpose, are often described by some as 'pipe and slippers'.
Regards
Spendor, Harbethzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Love 'em to bits :lolsign:
I mean it with respectful sincerity, as you've got nice noises from your Ditton15XR's.. I wasn't taking the pee
Lol - I know you weren't, but I wasn't quite sure what you were getting at :eyebrows:
Alles Klar :)
It would be very interesting to pop a pair of NS10s on the end of my system and hear what I would sound like - I'd find that quite fascinating, actually.
I'm well used to listening to monitor loudspeakers, as that's exactly what the Lockwoods Majors I use were designed for, albeit in a different era. Abbey Road Studios used them, during The Beatles era, as did Decca and other recording studios.
The difference with the Lockwoods, though is that, although they are massively revealing of programme material, they do it in such a way which is not fatiguing whatsoever.
Information on recordings is presented and laid bare for inspection, but it's not 'forced' at you. Insight and neutrality (as far as possible without the presentation ever becoming 'forensic' or tiresome) are amongst the qualities I value most in loudspeakers.
Marco.
hifi_dave
04-07-2010, 10:27
Difference is, your Lockwoods were designed to sound as good as it could be whereas the NS10's were there to show how the music would sound through a shite system or tranny radio...:eek:
sluggish
04-07-2010, 15:55
Weren't NS10 originally offered for domestic use? On the end of Japanese tranny amps? Maybe all those darkly paneled living rooms with orange shag carpets needed some brightening up, huh?
Pro monitors are designed to be revealing, designed to show up faults: tape dropout, microphone problems and as you say, to enable the mixing engineer to hear deep into the mix. They do not have to be accurate, natural or realistic. In most cases they are not.
A different set of requirements are demanded of speakers used to QA recordings and monitor broadcasts. These speakers are required to accurately reproduce exactly what is on the record or what is being broadcast. Some of the best known speakers used for this purpose, are often described by some as 'pipe and slippers'.
Regards
Every time I hear that term "pipe and slippers" I always conjure up the image of Hugh Hefner. :) And I think of those huge 8 foot tall all wood Tannoys that look like the must weigh a ton and be craned into your house. You know the ones I'm talking about? Who else buys those things? Speak up, I want to know who you are! ;)
Weren't NS10 originally offered for domestic use? On the end of Japanese tranny amps? Maybe all those darkly paneled living rooms with orange shag carpets needed some brightening up, huh?
How did you know orange is such a popular color here? :lol: Just kidding (sort of).
It's so polar opposite to the traditional "wabisabi" aesthetic that is usually sought. Ask your cousin in Japan about wabisabi, I'm sure he knows. It's one of those things that we westerners don't have a concept for.
sluggish
04-07-2010, 16:45
Should have been clearer; I was actually referring to ugly '70s American decor. Tell me more about the wabisabi thing. Is this the soft sounding amp/vintage speaker thing? I've been curious for some time about the subjective qualities sought in that style. Is it the art of making and voicing the components, or is it the flavor id lends to the music that drives it?
sluggish
04-07-2010, 16:48
Regarding the pipe and slippers vs. big horns: from an "accuracy" perspective, which one is right. From my limited experience the big dog klipsch are more dynamically accurate than my old spendors, but the spendors have everything else. Horses for courses?
Should have been clearer; I was actually referring to ugly '70s American decor. Tell me more about the wabisabi thing. Is this the soft sounding amp/vintage speaker thing? I've been curious for some time about the subjective qualities sought in that style. Is it the art of making and voicing the components, or is it the flavor id lends to the music that drives it?
I still don't fully understand wabisabi, and neither do the young Japanese I have asked about it. But my limited grasp would be that it's a feeling you get from an appreciation of the simple and imperfect. Imagine staring a one rock in a garden and appreciating the beauty and imperfection and how perfect that one rock is in the garden.
Or if a westerner sees a flower in a vase, it's just a flower plunked down in a vase, but a Japanese person might see the perfect beauty and great thought and care with which it was chosen.
My Japanese wife and I have taken these tests where they show you images and you give your impressions and it was clear that we see things in a different way. Only a few I interpreted the eastern way. Even after the other interpretation was explained to me I still felt it clearly could not be that way.
Well, this is my infantile understanding of it, but maybe a mature Japanese will see this and clear it up. :)
Sorry Marco, this is getting into Abstract Chat territory. :(
sluggish
04-07-2010, 17:33
Let's meet in Abstract sometime to explore this. The thoughtfulness of the Eastern approach you describe is fascinating.
Let's meet in Abstract sometime to explore this. The thoughtfulness of the Eastern approach you describe is fascinating.
Agreed! I have very scant knowledge of this and would like to know more.
Regards
If, after reading this thread, anyone is interested in the NS10 you can now buy this uprated NS10 copy (8'' Bass driver, improved power handling) from Studiospares for just over a ton, delivered. Think I might get some for my Home Cinema system:
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/248000_l.jpg
That tweeter looks familiar, but I'm not allowed to say where from :D
If these retail just over a ton, then they must come into the country for around £30 - £40pr tops.
You know, in the audio industry, even the cheap stuff is well profitable. These SN10's would be £500pr in a hifi shop :(
That tweeter looks familiar, but I'm not allowed to say where from :D
If these retail just over a ton, then they must come into the country for around £30 - £40pr tops.
You know, in the audio industry, even the cheap stuff is well profitable. These SN10's would be £500pr in a hifi shop :(
Not sure about £500 a pair but they do seem to be a bargain at £92.83.
The Vinyl Adventure
18-07-2010, 11:55
I always took Wabisabi to like imperfect perfection. Perfect because it isn't ... Or at least that what I have been told is the easiest way to understand it...
£500 is what they'd be if sold through normal domestic audio channels - importer, middle man distributor and dealer.....
I've just read a review on them and it appears that the bass and mid are at least as good as the NS10 (they were good here) and the treble is in a different league, not setting your teeth on edge apparently. They're rated as heavy too, which should help with mid colouration and bass "slam."
Please get some and let us know???????
One other from ancient times - I remember being a bit underwhelmed by the original Tannoy Mercury, as their strong mid-bass didn't like the vinyl sources we were using (they were amazing on CD and modern LP sources though and got even better as time went on and they were refined). A client for an amp bought in a pair of equivalent pro Tannoys, I think PBM8's, and these were so much better. They weighed a ton, two way with I think an 8" bass unit, were finished in a hammerite-grey style paint and cost around £200 as I remember (long time ago though). The sound was staggeringly good - far more "alive" and the clarity was on a different planet to the likes of HB1's for example. Lovely!
Please get some and let us know???????
!
On order...
My SN10s have arrived and are set up:
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/001.jpg
close up:
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/002.jpg
I've been looking for a while for something a bit beefier than my JBL control 1 for the fronts on the Home Cinema system so thought I'd go for these as £100 delivered brand new, how bad could they be?
Well these are really impressive value for money - Large, solid and heavy sealed cabs; drivers look quality. Had to test them to see if they were working so played some Black Grape through them using my Pioneer Universal as a transport and the dac in the Sony cinema amp. Bloody marvellous even from brand new - clear, clean, good bass response. Tweeter is a soft dome so nothing like the old NS10 tweeter, prob a good thing. Vocals in particular are very clear, you can almost hear what Shaun Ryder is slurring!
I will have to hook them up to my main system for a true hi-fi test but I will wait until I have run them in a bit with some films first.
Regards
Can you try them with tweeters on the inside? Shows if the crossover is good as if not, the treble will separate.. if the crossover is ok, the central image "should" improve..
They look amazing value to me for under £100.....
Can you try them with tweeters on the inside? Shows if the crossover is good as if not, the treble will separate.. if the crossover is ok, the central image "should" improve..
They look amazing value to me for under £100.....
Dave
Yes, will do. They are too high up on the shelves (a good 3 feet above ear level when seated) to get any proper idea of their imaging abilities, doesn't matter to me for home cinema purposes, of course, just a convenient place to plonk them.
If I hook them up to the proper hi-fi system then I've got no stands to use with them so will have to improvise something, possibly a couple of dining room chairs will do?
Labarum, where are you???????
After a couple of hours run in I hooked up the SN10s to my main system as per my sig below. No stands available to me so I had to lash-up using my Celestions as stands. Okay not ideal but never mind. Picture is a little dark but you get the idea:
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/003.jpg
I've got the tweeters on the inside as suggested by Dave DSJR, the speakers are 'handed' so you can have them either way whether stood up or on their side 'studio style'
So far have played some Creedence Clearwater, Bozz Scaggs, Bobby Womack and currently The Black Crowes are kicking it out.
Verdict? Well, they won't be giving my Celestions any sleepless nights; but given there is a price difference of £1400 that's no surprise. Nevertheless the sound quality is more than adequate. The last speakers I used that were in any way similar in size/price were the old B&W 601 mark 1. The SN10 are at least as good if not better in every respect, including build quality. The tweeters are maybe slightly soft-sounding for a true desk monitor but they don't take your head off either.
Possibly nostalgia is clouding my judgement but the mid and bass do have a certain something that is reminiscent of 1970s Japanese speakers - in a good way, that is. I can't really describe it in words. If you know what I mean, you'll know what I mean:)
Now okay I am driving them with a top class power amp which is not 'real world' partnering equipment - they obviously don't sound as good with the AV amp. Still, at the price these are a bit of a steal IMHO - ideal for second/kids/cinema system or monitoring in a budget studio set up.
Labarum, where are you???????
I have now read this thread.
What about standing them on their sides? I would only just have room for them. I guess my Quad 77 amp would tame them rather. They might serve in the flat I will be in for a few months a year.
I will watch this thread develop a little.
Still hankering after Harbeth P3ESRs! They cost a bit more!!!
Can you replace the LK1 with a less band-limited pre like a Croft or summat? The soft treble will become more precise then (I'm not trying to be smart here, I owned LK1's for some time and know them too well.....).
Can you replace the LK1 with a less band-limited pre like a Croft or summat? The soft treble will become more precise then (I'm not trying to be smart here, I owned LK1's for some time and know them too well.....).
My Croft is broken:( until I find my soldering iron, that is). Hence the Linn, which is a little 'cloudy', agreed, and which we have discussed before:). Must say the Linn is not as soft as the Croft is in the top, Dave, (I do not have the R version just the basic).
Macca, the blurb says these boxes have grills, and I think I see on the Studiospares page the holes the grill pins plug into. What do the the grills look like? Standard cloth grill? Pics would be nice next time you are showing the set-up evolve.
What sort of stand do you think they would need if used vertically?
I would not do it, but some might want to screw them to the wall. Are they sealed boxes. Would that work?
My Croft is broken:( until I find my soldering iron, that is). Hence the Linn, which is a little 'cloudy', agreed, and which we have discussed before:). Must say the Linn is not as soft as the Croft is in the top, Dave, (I do not have the R version just the basic).
Methinks I post too much 'cos I forget who's got what...
The Croft "shouldn't" sound softer in the treble unless it's either driving very long interconnects or the power amp input impedance is very low. having said that, the Crowns are 25K each and there's no rolloff on these. What interconnects do you use? Mark Grants are lovely with the Croft and although you may not wish to do this, the HD1000 would be excellent to connect from non-standard XLR (LK1) to phonos as long as mark is given the pin configuration (should be on a label on the rear panel).
The SN10's are sealed and possibly have a slightly more forward midband than the Celestions, which, if I have the right ones, are more full bodied and "meaty" in balance. Don't the A2's have a metal dome tweeter too?
perhaps, when you've got used to them, you could whip out an SN10 bass unit and see what the crossover is like? I doubt it'll be crummy, but any cheapo electrolytics could be upgraded with lower ESR ones and this may give better definition to the tweeter (I wonder if they'd ever do an active version?)
Macca, the blurb says these boxes have grills, and I think I see on the Studiospares page the holes the grill pins plug into. What do the the grills look like? Standard cloth grill? Pics would be nice next time you are showing the set-up evolve.
What sort of stand do you think they would need if used vertically?
I would not do it, but some might want to screw them to the wall. Are they sealed boxes. Would that work?
Hi Brian
They do come with black cloth grills that cover the whole front baffle and clip on at the corners, pretty firmly ( I had to use a butter knife to get them off).
You can use them vertically with the tweeters on the inside or outside. They would sit on any standard sort of pillar or frame stand that was about 3 feet high give or take 6 inches either way would put tweeters at about ear level for seated listening.
The cabs are sealed, this is an infinite baffle design. There are no attachments for wall mounting, I suppose they would sit on some wall brackets but would need to be chunky and secure as the weight is 7.5 kilo.
Sadly I am not planning to evolve this set up any more - I bought these for my Home Cinema system and was just trying them out in my hi-fi system out of interest. They are now back on Movie Duty:)
If you are looking for cheap, small speakers you could try JBL Control 1 (about £70 new on ebay with wall brackets) much smaller than the SN10 but very enjoyable listen with any music - a very well built well designed minature:
JBL Control One -
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/DSCF0014.jpg
Reid Malenfant
22-07-2010, 19:01
As far as i know Yamaha NS10s' are near field monitors ;) I don't know about anyone else here but my speakers are in the far field :)
Off topic but i like Maccas' Crapgame avatar :) Great movie :drinking:
Techno Commander
22-07-2010, 19:07
Those little JBL''s can be driven to quite astonishing levels with a decent large amp. Definitely a big hitter amongst small speakers.
As far as i know Yamaha NS10s' are near field monitors ;) I don't know about anyone else here but my speakers are in the far field :)
Off topic but i like Maccas' Crapgame avatar :) Great movie :drinking:
Saw your Gallery pics - Your speakers are pure craziness. I want them. Crapgame is one of my favourite movie characters:
'Listen, I got a little favour I need to ask ya..........Will you stop crying? I haven't even asked you yet!'
The Croft "shouldn't" sound softer in the treble unless it's either driving very long interconnects or the power amp input impedance is very low. having said that, the Crowns are 25K each and there's no rolloff on these. What interconnects do you use? .
The SN10's are sealed and possibly have a slightly more forward midband than the Celestions, which, if I have the right ones, are more full bodied and "meaty" in balance. Don't the A2's have a metal dome tweeter too?
perhaps, when you've got used to them, you could whip out an SN10 bass unit and see what the crossover is like? I doubt it'll be crummy, but any cheapo electrolytics could be upgraded with lower ESR ones and this may give better definition to the tweeter (I wonder if they'd ever do an active version?)
Dave
I've tried about 7 different intterconnects with the Croft including solid silver - with my old Lk100 power amp was a little soft, but with the Williams much softer, almost shut in. Lacking the bottom octave of bass also. I was wondering about an impedence mis-match myself but probably a topic for another thread I haven't got round to starting:)
A2s do have a titanium tweeter but they are voiced to sound big and smooth in the far-field they do not 'project forward' like some speakers do.
Reid Malenfant
22-07-2010, 19:26
Saw your Gallery pics - Your speakers are pure craziness. I want them. Crapgame is one of my favourite movie characters:
'Listen, I got a little favour I need to ask ya..........Will you stop crying? I haven't even asked you yet!'
2278 I think i'm more of an Oddball type myself ;)
'Always with the negative waves Moriarity, always with the negative waves.'
Cheers for the compliments on the speakers, they do work rather well & far better than the standard NS1000 or NS1000Ms'.
Nothing like introducing a little art into sound reproduction, it's what the site is about, no?
Again, apologies for going off topic...
Bests to you!
Dave
I've tried about 7 different intterconnects with the Croft including solid silver - with my old Lk100 power amp was a little soft, but with the Williams much softer, almost shut in. Lacking the bottom octave of bass also. I was wondering about an impedence mis-match myself but probably a topic for another thread I haven't got round to starting:)
A2s do have a titanium tweeter but they are voiced to sound big and smooth in the far-field they do not 'project forward' like some speakers do.
This is where a dealer comes in, as "soft" is not a characteristic I'd give any of the simpler Croft designs (the Mega Micro could be and the Series 4 SA which was based on the same valves could be too, but the others are quite lively IMO - I wouldn't say any Harbeths are forward at all and that's what I heard the current range through).
This is where a dealer comes in, as "soft" is not a characteristic I'd give any of the simpler Croft designs (the Mega Micro could be and the Series 4 SA which was based on the same valves could be too, but the others are quite lively IMO - I wouldn't say any Harbeths are forward at all and that's what I heard the current range through).
Dave
Could be my hearing that's going:) (I'm not joking you have to consider it I am in my forties) but I am and always have been sensitive to high frequencies or lack thereof and have always judged kit by how well it can reproduce cymbal strike and decay becasue if it can't do that I don't care how well it does anything else.
But please be aware when I am saying 'soft sounding' I am talking about slight degrees of difference, not night and day stuff.
Regards
I've heard a good few Croft preamps and owned two and softened dynamics "shouldn't" be a factor in the new ones. Perhaps some tube rolling is in order?
I've heard a good few Croft preamps and owned two and softened dynamics "shouldn't" be a factor in the new ones. Perhaps some tube rolling is in order?
I think mine uses NOS Mullards I've no idea if these could be improved on. I've damaged the output socket so it is hanging on by a sinew hence the need to do some soldering at some point which may in itself fix the problem.
Back to the speakers. Is there more to say after more listening?
(Still waving the tape measure about!)
SN10's on their sides..
SP1's put away when you're not there!
Control 1's but they may screech too much on acoustic/choral music I think
AVI N4's or N5's - they're good products regardless!
B&W anything under £1K - ugh!!! Old 805's are still good, but need to be set high rather than low for best tweeter integration
KEF as B&W unless used, like Corelli's, 104ab's or Concerto's
Richer Sounds' Specials - good for the money I expect..
There :lolsign: That enough?
Haselsh1
23-07-2010, 17:46
Charmin is the stuff - obviously. Double layer, waffle pattern. Far superior to Tesco 'bog' standard....:eyebrows:
As for massive monitors. In the good ol' days they were pretty well as good as it got for sound quality. Huge Tannoy DC's gave the quality to determine how good the recording and provide the realistic volume levels for the engineer and producer to hear what's what. You can't do that with a squitty little active jobbie....:trust:
I love the level of humour on this site and it doesn't get much better than this.
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