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SteveW
01-04-2020, 16:50
Owning 2 ‘decent’ turntables in a Roksan Xerxes and a Kenwood KD750 it was a leap of faith to jump in with both feet for the SP10, arm and cartridge all in one go. Oh and I managed to get my hands on a Tenuto mat.
However retirement has come with some benefits and I wanted to up the game in vinyl reproduction.

The whole setup has been sourced through Angus, also known as Phonomac here and elsewhere. He refurbished the SP10 to resolve issues that might lurk, testing and replacing components where necessary.
He builds the plinth from Panzerholz and mounting to suit the Audio Technics AT1010.
However the arm is completely rebuilt with numerous parts replaced and machined, becoming the PMAT 1010. It’s a giant killer.

The Ortofon Kontrapunkt B cartridge is worked on by Killian at Holistic Audio in Holland.
Angus described the upgrade to the kb here
‘ a cartridge which has had all essential parts renewed – suspension and stylus - with the addition of the internal components from the higher end Ortofon cartridges which is what makes it into a close relative of the Vienna. It is also hand-aligned for optimum channel separation and balance. ‘

I am something of a loss for words at the way that I’m now hearing my vinyl.
It’s super clean, which is a bit of a shock compared with other decks that are ‘muddy’ in acoustic. At the same time all is revealed, interaction between musicians more easily understood, and detail such as room acoustic very obvious.

I thought the Xerxes was good, especially since I mounted a PMAT 1050 on it (it’s how it all started!). Another Angus modified arm.

However my struggle to express the improvement is because there really is no comparison and I haven’t heard the improvements in incremental steps.

It’s been one huge jump

Apart from all the usual hifi cliches (think separation/soundstage/musical information/ immediacy etc etc) I think the biggest surprise to be has been in low frequency information.
The phono is an Alan (Firebottle) Vivant and amp is a Lyngdorf 2200 (with room correction) combined with Harbeth 3PESR’s.

I’ve always found them a bit bass light.
Not any more. Plenty of bass (ok, not subterranean). But fast bass rather than bloated. Again takes some adjusting to.
However I’ve gained a whole different perspective on how the lower levels of music support and drive it along.
In fact that’s the biggest pleasure of all is the insight into how musicians are working, how a song works etc

Oh.. and speakers just disappear.

If I had to try and be critical it’s that the soundstage isn’t as big as in Angus’s system. I’m told that the soundstage will open up after 100 hours or so.

After a week of ownership I’d thought I’d also look at what improvements might be made to the tonearm cable, although I wasn’t too sure how much better things could get. Just had a feeling that the existing Jelco was filtering some info.
Having heard one in another system and read good reviews I asked Oli (Bigman80) to make me a Spotfire Tonearm cable. The price seemed very reasonable at £134 delivered.
It replaced a Jelco cable that wasn’t too shabby.
Wow.. even further insight into recordings.
String instruments are revealed even more, and you can hear even more of the recording room acoustics. The balance of presentation of all the musicians on a track suddenly seems ‘right’ along with the detail revealed.
A gamble that has definitely paid off.


This is my end game deck that a lifetime of working has given me.
Just hope there’s a bit more time left to enjoy it, and that goes for us all.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/16dfc99a4d4a043cad9df0d4cefedfdc.jpg


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RobbieGong
01-04-2020, 17:49
Owning 2 ‘decent’ turntables in a Roksan Xerxes and a Kenwood KD750 it was a leap of faith to jump in with both feet for the SP10, arm and cartridge all in one go. Oh and I managed to get my hands on a Tenuto mat.
However retirement has come with some benefits and I wanted to up the game in vinyl reproduction.

The whole setup has been sourced through Angus, also known as Phonomac here and elsewhere. He refurbished the SP10 to resolve issues that might lurk, testing and replacing components where necessary.
He builds the plinth from Panzerholz and mounting to suit the Audio Technics AT1010.
However the arm is completely rebuilt with numerous parts replaced and machined, becoming the PMAT 1010. It’s a giant killer.

The Ortofon Kontrapunkt B cartridge is worked on by Killian at Holistic Audio in Holland.
Angus described the upgrade to the kb here
‘ a cartridge which has had all essential parts renewed – suspension and stylus - with the addition of the internal components from the higher end Ortofon cartridges which is what makes it into a close relative of the Vienna. It is also hand-aligned for optimum channel separation and balance. ‘

I am something of a loss for words at the way that I’m now hearing my vinyl.
It’s super clean, which is a bit of a shock compared with other decks that are ‘muddy’ in acoustic. At the same time all is revealed, interaction between musicians more easily understood, and detail such as room acoustic very obvious.

I thought the Xerxes was good, especially since I mounted a PMAT 1050 on it (it’s how it all started!). Another Angus modified arm.

However my struggle to express the improvement is because there really is no comparison and I haven’t heard the improvements in incremental steps.

It’s been one huge jump

Apart from all the usual hifi cliches (think separation/soundstage/musical information/ immediacy etc etc) I think the biggest surprise to be has been in low frequency information.
The phono is an Alan (Firebottle) Vivant and amp is a Lyngdorf 2200 (with room correction) combined with Harbeth 3PESR’s.

I’ve always found them a bit bass light.
Not any more. Plenty of bass (ok, not subterranean). But fast bass rather than bloated. Again takes some adjusting to.
However I’ve gained a whole different perspective on how the lower levels of music support and drive it along.
In fact that’s the biggest pleasure of all is the insight into how musicians are working, how a song works etc

Oh.. and speakers just disappear.

If I had to try and be critical it’s that the soundstage isn’t as big as in Angus’s system. I’m told that the soundstage will open up after 100 hours or so.

After a week of ownership I’d thought I’d also look at what improvements might be made to the tonearm cable, although I wasn’t too sure how much better things could get. Just had a feeling that the existing Jelco was filtering some info.
Having heard one in another system and read good reviews I asked Oli (Bigman80) to make me a Spotfire Tonearm cable. The price seemed very reasonable at £134 delivered.
It replaced a Jelco cable that wasn’t too shabby.
Wow.. even further insight into recordings.
String instruments are revealed even more, and you can hear even more of the recording room acoustics. The balance of presentation of all the musicians on a track suddenly seems ‘right’ along with the detail revealed.
A gamble that has definitely paid off.


This is my end game deck that a lifetime of working has given me.
Just hope there’s a bit more time left to enjoy it, and that goes for us all.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/16dfc99a4d4a043cad9df0d4cefedfdc.jpg


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I'm not really surprised to be honest Steve and glad for you too :)

chris@panteg
01-04-2020, 18:15
Very nice indeed, the tenuto mat really sets it off nicely.

SteveW
01-04-2020, 22:07
Nice write up and nice turntable , I am bit sceptical about last part - cables , it's a moving coil cartridge and cable properties shouldn't affect sound and I never heard difference swapping vdh cable supplied with SME arm with very expensive alternatives because there cannot be any .

There can’t be?
Well, I’ll continue to enjoy listening to the deck as everything beds in. Then in a few weeks I’ll swap the Jelco back in and let you know what I hear.


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anubisgrau
02-04-2020, 00:11
out of curiosity and if i'm not asking too much, what was the ballpark for a cartridge service?

SteveW
02-04-2020, 05:35
Well I paid just under £1000, but that includes the cost of the ‘donor’ original cartridge.


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phonomac
02-04-2020, 08:28
Thank you for the write up Steve, I'm glad to hear that the system is delivering for you.

@mac72
'..... cable properties shouldn't affect sound and I never heard difference swapping vdh cable supplied with SME arm with very expensive alternatives because there cannot be any .....'
Until your front end is delivering sufficient resolution you won't hear a difference. Also do not fall into the trap of equating expense with performance. And before you accuse me of subjectivism just ask any of the contacts around here - there are few more died-in-the-wool engineers than me :eyebrows:

SteveW
02-04-2020, 09:53
Well I was being very polite Angus.
Just wanted to bring to attention some glorious pieces of equipment, and not get drawn into debate with someone’s agenda.
If someone can’t hear a difference then fine.. don’t worry about it.
I can and I’m a happy bunny.
Not least of which that I’ve been very fortunate to drop a super deck straight into my system and I hadn’t realised how good the rest of my system is.
Anyone with a deck that is good enough needs to be made aware how good the PMAT 1010 really is.
So if you do that, it’s worth seeing what a cable can do.
And it does.

Firebottle
02-04-2020, 10:01
Nice one Steve :thumbsup:

phonomac
02-04-2020, 14:00
..... If you read Angus reply carefully it seems he does agree that if front end is capable of retrieving all information there is no gain coming from cables .


On the contrary, I said unless you have a front end capable of retrieving all information you will not detect the differences due to cables. But if you do, you will.

SteveW
02-04-2020, 14:50
Appreciate your concern but these things can only be heard by the people of the Beltane

SteveW
02-04-2020, 15:56
How to measure resolution?
So .. an album I thought I knew really well is The Notting Hillbillies ‘Missing..presumed having a good time’
One of the first I played on this new deck.
Another one of this oh my god moments.
I think it’s Steve Philips taking the lead vocal with Mark Knopfler’s guitar always obvious.
I could hear the room Steve was singing in. Awesome.
Chuck in the Spotfire Tonearm cable in, and I can hear some of the echoes in the room, echoes from Knopflers guitar and a tonne of other detailed clues of the instruments playing.
Not just that, but it all sounds cohesive.
Can you measure that?
Nah

SteveW
02-04-2020, 16:28
Now instead of text I can see blah, blah, blah , .... just joking.
Whatever you can hear is and could be quantified ,
I do regret starting this discussion and now I leave , enjoy your turntable .

No worries.
Stay healthy and safe
Cheers

Barry
02-04-2020, 17:02
Very nice vinyl front end you have there Steve, and one of which you can be justly proud. :)

SteveW
02-04-2020, 17:09
Cheers Barry
Just playing Buena Vista ‘Lost and Found’
Then realised what time it was and after not having a drink got a few nights, reckon it’s time to open a bottle of red.
Think I can measure my happiness level and it’s gone to 9.8

antonio
02-04-2020, 17:47
Nice write up Steve, hope you continue to enjoy the SP10 for many years to come. And of course enjoy your bottle of red, the gamble paid off.

RobbieGong
02-04-2020, 17:57
Very nice vinyl front end you have there Steve, and one of which you can be justly proud. :)

+1 :)

Jimbo
02-04-2020, 19:35
+1

Idlewithnodrive
06-04-2020, 20:36
Superb decks, the SP-10's.

Enjoy :cool:

mayebaza
07-04-2020, 20:25
+1 :)
+2👍🏿