The Time has come

[Made in 1968]

I have decided to finish with Hi-Fi, its time to leave it well alone, I am never happy nor have any money to spend on it. It just causes frustration day in day out leading to bad temper, argument with the wife & Green eyed monster appears a lot with other peoples equipment which again leads to bad temper. The easiest way to get away from the influence is to stay away from AOS or any other form of online Audio influence.

I bought a brand new laptop awhile back that i have not used yet. This with my headphone amp/DAC is all i need now for music.

Applogies to those who i may have had a few crosswords with, im not generally a nasty person its just out of pure frustration which ofc i only have myself to blame due to bad bad decisions over the years sadly leaving me with nothing in the end.. Take care anyway and stay safe at this very dicey moment in time. There is light at the end of the Tunnel, just remember that..

:)

[Pigmy Pony]

Come down from there Andre, things are never as bad as they seem!

I understand your frustration with hifi - you do have some pretty strong views and you know what you like, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just makes your 'journey' a bit tougher. I'm confident that with perseverance you'll get there in the end.

I can see your frustration in many of your posts, where your views can often seem challenging and contentious, but also can be amusing and (for a numpty like me) frequently informative. I for one would miss that, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Don't ever think that my replies to any of your posts are me 'having a dig', I take the mickey out of nearly everyone, especially myself.

In these trying times this forum can an important means of communication for all of us, and sometimes a way to let off steam. Please don't shut yourself off from this.

My suggestion: embrace the streaming for the time being, and continue to post, about music, films, TV, even tell us about your day :) And at some point your perfect TT will come along with a bit of luck. Then you can resume ruining your neighbours' lives with your Depeche Mode vinyl :ner:

I wish you well with whatever you choose to do.

[Marco]

I'd agree with lots of what Steve has said.

Dude, you've been here many times before, and we've known each other for YEARS, so I think I've got a pretty good handle on what makes you 'tick'. Regardless of that though, understand two things:

1) Do whatever you think is best for your head right now, as your relationship with Chez is ultimately worth MUCH more than your love/hate relationship with hi-fi. You can revisit things at any time.

2) I have a lot of time for you [despite our differences, there are some fundamental things we have in common], and so you'll always be welcome on AoS, remember that. And many others feel the same, so don't hesitate to pop in when you feel it'll be beneficial:)

Marco.

[Dave W]

I stopped chasing Hi-Fi nirvana a long time ago. I am happy with the sound I get from my system and I don't care if a 10p or £10k upgrade would improve it. I spend time listening to my music and even stopped buying physical media because I am running out of storage space, so either buy downloads or use Tidal to listen to something new.

[Gazjam]

Andre,

More to life than hifi mate, and as I think Marco said before the Forum here is about more than just a Hifi, it’s a Community.
When everyone’s stuck at home it’s more important to keep in touch with what ticks your boxes and keeps you happy n healthy.

Everyones turning to “social media” for a lot of that, and maybe the Forum here is ours.

Try to forget about the Kit for a while and enjoy what you have, and more importantly the Music.
Sometimes we need to step back from the kit “rat race” for a while to get back in touch with the music...maybe this is one of those times for you.

Take it easy Man, and don’t exclude yourself from the banter and good stuff here.
This too shall pass.

[Marco]

Andre,

More to life than hifi mate, and as I think Marco said before the Forum here is about more than just a Hifi, it’s a Community.
When everyone’s stuck at home it’s more important to keep in touch with what ticks your boxes and keeps you happy n healthy.

Everyones turning to “social media” for a lot of that, and maybe the Forum here is ours.

Try to forget about the Kit for a while and enjoy what you have, and more importantly the Music.
Sometimes we need to step back from the kit “rat race” for a while to get back in touch with the music...maybe this is one of those times for you.

Take it easy Man, and don’t exclude yourself from the banter and good stuff here.
This too shall pass.

Hear, hear!:clap:

There's certainly a LOT more to life than just hi-fi.

Marco.

[tapid]

Remember the last 68 person on here did nt stay retired for long ( Shane ). Anyway if you stay a bit longer its only a matter of time until you overtake Marco s number of posts. Take care :)

[Audio Al]

It is the 1 April or are you serious :scratch:

Does this mean you wont be wanting the Rega TT wall mount now

[CageyH]

It is the 1 April or are you serious :scratch:

Does this mean you wont be wanting the Rega TT wall mount now

Personally, I assumed that this was an April 1st post, hence my wave goodbye earlier.

[southall-1998_mk2]

See you next week, Andre. :D

S.

[antonio]

:dance::yay::carrot::champagne::rfl:
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It's gotta be an April fool.

[Gazjam]

See you next week, Andre. :D

S.

Hopefully! :)
Great post Shane.

But just in case..
let’s let things lie?

Just in case.

[Oddball]

Hi Andre . Dont wander off and leave us mate !!
It wont be the same without you !!;)

[Roy S]

Yes, don't be a stranger André

[CageyH]

He has lasted a day so far. He is doing well.

[tapid]

He has lasted a day so far. He is doing well.

Don't worry he will soon be all over forum like a rash ;)

[Pigmy Pony]

Where's Andre? Not like him not to put in his two bob's worth :scratch:

[tapid]

Where's Andre? Not like him not to put in his two bob's worth :scratch:

Seen around about as often as Andre Preview these days ?

[Pigmy Pony]

Andre has a brand new laptop which will need some setting up, so I fear there will be a laptop-shaped hole in his window by now, God bless him. I hope I'm wrong

[Ninanina]

Hope Andre soon gets over this 'blip'

Yes hifi can be a frustration but in the end it's pretty rewarding... I think...;)

[Made in 1968]

Ok that lasted less than a full week but a bit longer than Shane lonnie Donegan exit :D

Got a Turntable sorted today so im feeling a bit better. :eyebrows:

[Pigmy Pony]

Welcome back feller! Good news on the TT front, now try not to smash it into little pieces. They perform better when intact :)

[Pigmy Pony]

As comebacks go, you're in good company - Status Quo, Take That, Heinz Salad Cream...

[walpurgis]

Got a Turntable sorted today so im feeling a bit better. :eyebrows:

Picture?

[Made in 1968]

Not here yet coming by UPS..

[Pigmy Pony]

Glad you're back Andre, to take the pressure off. This multi-post cack torrent is bloody tiring, 30 posts today already. I can go for a lie down now :D

[andyrlb]

Really nice comments from you all fair play to ya

Ps:
I feel like that too at times Andre .


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[Gazjam]

Ok that lasted less than a full week but a bit longer than Shane lonnie Donegan exit :D

Got a Turntable sorted today so im feeling a bit better. :eyebrows:

Magik. :thumbsup:

[Marco]

Welcome back, dude! Knew we'd see you again, after you'd sorted your head out a bit, and no-one here will judge you, so don't worry about that:)

Just wire in and pretend you've never been away!:cool:

Marco.

[RobbieGong]

Good to see ya back Andre, after the short hiatus.

Good to have an outlet and you love hifi / music and this place so job done ;)

Big up ya Mrs too, I know she's on the NHS frontline :thumbsup:

[Marco]

Good to see ya back Andre, after the short hiatus.

Good to have an outlet and you love hifi / music and this place so job done ;)

Big up ya Mrs too, I know she's on the NHS frontline :thumbsup:

+1 with knobs on, dude! Here's to Chez and all our other NHS heroes :youtheman::youtheman:

:clapclapclap: :clapclapclap:

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

Thanks Dudes. Looks like Thursday is a regular occurrence now where everyone around the UK goes out on the doorstep clapping for front liners. She parks up about 8:00PM walking through the cheers etc, Really proud of her, shes actually like a Local Hero..

:bonk:

[tapid]

Thanks Dudes. Looks like Thursday is a regular occurrence now where everyone around the UK goes out on the doorstep clapping for front liners. She parks up about 8:00PM walking through the cheers etc, Really proud of her, shes actually like a Local Hero..

:bonk: She is a hero :)

[Alex_UK]

If it makes you feel better, I, the most mild mannered man on the planet (possibly) once smashed a Dual turntable into pieces after wife#1 complained about the way it looked... funniest part was that she gathered all the fragments into a pile and then said “can you fix it?” :lol:

[Made in 1968]

:lol:

[Made in 1968]

Picture?

Heres a crap picture, Arrived today, It beautiful condition just a small mark on the front that i can sort. Its an early one with Oil feed Bearing shaft & Metal Base not the later cheap Hardboard jobbie.. Just need a new posh Arm board & Arm for it.. Get rid f that tripe felt matt too. Give it a clean today get all the finger prints off..

https://i.imgur.com/IZCQug2.jpg

[RobbieGong]

Looks nice Andre - Was What Hifi Product of the year for a couple of years from 1990

[Made in 1968]

Yeh had most the Systemdek before. Already had a 'IIX' . The last one i had was the 'IIS' biscuit tin jobbie. wish id kept that tbh.. I think the systemdek are very underrated decks, they go for peanuts too. Most probably be a Rega i put on it. I dont want to go overboard & fall into the Hi-Fi obsessive stage of the hobby again..

[Made in 1968]

This is the arm board im going for once i decided on the arm. Just cos they look nice.

https://www.thevinylsource.co.uk/product-page/systemdek-iix-xad-armboard-for-rega-rb250-rb300-tonearms-the-vinyl-source

[Macca]

Yeh had most the Systemdek before. Already had a 'IIX' . The last one i had was the 'IIS' biscuit tin jobbie. wish id kept that tbh.. I think the systemdek are very underrated decks, they go for peanuts too. Most probably be a Rega i put on it. I dont want to go overboard & fall into the Hi-Fi obsessive stage of the hobby again..

I've noticed that, no idea why, easily better than some of the tat that gets pushed. I've still got one stashed away upstairs.

[Marco]

If it makes you feel better, I, the most mild mannered man on the planet (possibly) once smashed a Dual turntable into pieces after wife#1 complained about the way it looked... funniest part was that she gathered all the fragments into a pile and then said “can you fix it?” :lol:

Lol... But seriously, if you've got the type of petty and controlling 'wife' who complains about how a fooking turntable looks, start getting the divorce papers written up!!

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Lol... But seriously, if you've got the type of petty and controlling 'wife' who complains about how a fooking turntable looks, start getting the divorce papers written up!!

Marco.

For most folk though, there needs to be a bit of compromise. Because for most partners (usually female) looks are more important than sounds. In order to get my fairly large speakers through the door without protest, I had to agree to pay silly money for 'special finish'. So a bit of give and take - I gave in to her request, and Zu Audio took the piss :(

[Marco]

For most folk though, there needs to be a bit of compromise...

Absolutely, and that also means the wives, not just the husbands compromising! Plus, large speakers are different ball game, as they're much more imposing in the room. Any basic looking turntable though, no reasonable person should have an issue with.

My basic point though, is marry someone who shares the same (or most of the same) passions/interests as you! Then there'll be less scope for disagreements. The fact that Del loves music, pretty much the same stuff I do (played loudly if necessary), likes it to sound good too, and LURVES deep bass, is one of the reasons why we get on so well:)

I just don't see the point in marrying someone who isn't 'in tune' with YOU, or worse, who tries to change you and turn you into someone else!!:mental:

Fuck that for a game of soldiers. If I were single right now and looking for a partner or wife, it'd be a case of 'love me, love my hi-fi' (and everything else that makes me, ME), or find someone else.

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Absolutely, and that also means the wives, not just the husbands compromising! Plus, large speakers are different ball game, as they're much more imposing in the room. Any basic looking turntable though, no reasonable person should have an issue with.

My basic point though, is marry someone who shares the same (or most of the same) passions/interests as you! Then there'll be less scope for disagreements. The fact that Del loves music, pretty much the same stuff I do (played loudly if necessary), likes it to sound good too, and LURVES deep bass, is one of the reasons why we get on so well:)

I just don't see the point in marrying someone who isn't 'in tune' with YOU, or worse, who tries to change you and turn you into someone else!!:mental:

Fuck that for a game of soldiers. If I were single right now and looking for a partner or wife, it'd be a case of 'love me, love my hi-fi' (and everything else that makes me, ME), or find someone else.

Marco.

I suppose I shouldn't generalise, but I'm going too anyway... Generally, (I'm told) women want to change their man, while men want their woman to stay the same.

Not really relevant, but I too always thought the Dual decks were a bit ugly - sorry Alex!

On the point about marrying someone who shares your interests, how does that work? My interests mostly have a shelf life of 5-6 years, then I lose interest and move onto something else. Time's almost up for me with the hifi, though as with most of my other interests it'll circle back in a few years. My point is, what if you develop an interest which wasn't apparent on your wedding day? No doubt you didn't have your Brabster back then, what if Del said "I'd rather we didn't get that old bus, we'll look like drug dealers"?

No one can be a 100% perfect match for their partner when it comes to interests, so there will always be an amount of one person drives the decision forward, while the other just goes along with it. In can just imagine how the Brabster sales pitch went - if it was anything like the reply you're about to compose, I can picture Del going "Fine, fine, that sounds like a good idea. now what we having for tea?" :ner: You then interpret the lack of opposition as full agreement. Go on, tell me I'm wrong! :D

[Made in 1968]

Chez do not give a crap what things look like. I think its the money wasting i have done over the years that annoys her. Makes me sick to the core when i think about it tbh so i do not stand a chance in an all out cat fight :D

However this time i am taking it carefully, no rush, not as if im without music..Patience is a vertue, shame i had very little of it in the past.. Not having the enthusiasm i used to have will help things, i think. Not going overboard with things will also help. I know what a lotta things sound like in standard form so it will be a matter of cosmetic upgrades i will perform like pretty Arm boards & Wires etc.. Next stage is a modified wall shelf for it..

[Roy S]

Judging by the number of female members on AOS it would take some time to find a partner who would be completely accepting of the sort of sound systems most of us on here have.

The main reason I haven't moved in with my lady friend is my hifi and all my other 'stuff'. It will happen once we've found a suitable property which will have a dedicated room for my gear. I have downsized a bit, my Legacy Ardens are a couple of inches shorter than the vintage ones they replaced!

[Marco]

I suppose I shouldn't generalise, but I'm going too anyway... Generally, (I'm told) women want to change their man, while men want their woman to stay the same.


You may well be right, but neither Del (if I were trying to change her) nor myself would settle for that or it allow it to happen. We're both very determined and strong-willed, free-thinking people, so our view with marriage, even before we met, was that you either found the *right* person, and waited for that to happen, or simply stayed single!

One of the reasons that divorce today is rife, is because folk simply aren't fussy enough who they marry, or become too seduced by physical appearances and don't consider enough what a person would be like to live with 24/7, 365 under the same roof as you... That's why before we got married, we lived together first for a year, just to see that we could successfully cohabitate without killing each other lol - and if more people did that, rather than just rushing into things, I believe there'd be far less divorces!


On the point about marrying someone who shares your interests, how does that work?


Wot - you've never seen how dating sites work? The whole idea is to find someone who's compatible with you, based on certain criteria. Now I didn't meet Del on a dating site (such things weren't even invented then), but the same process can occur naturally, when two people just 'click'. In that respect, the only things realistically that Del and I don't have in common is that she's a veggie/vegan, doesn't like football, and we have some slightly different cultural interests.

That's about it it! Pretty much with everything else, we're singing from the same hymn sheet:)


My interests mostly have a shelf life of 5-6 years, then I lose interest and move onto something else.


Well, that's where we're very different, then. My core interests and passions such as music, good food/drink, foreign travel, nice cars, football, etc, will be with me for life, as they're fundamentally a part of ME, and so I simply couldn't 'lose interest' in them. And Del's the same with her core interests/passions.


My point is, what if you develop an interest which wasn't apparent on your wedding day? No doubt you didn't have your Brabster back then, what if Del said "I'd rather we didn't get that old bus, we'll look like drug dealers"?


Lol... No, the thing is I've always loved nice (generally fast, sporty) cars, or cars that are a bit different from the norm, so although I didn't have the Brabster back then (I didn't even have a car licence, as I passed my test the year after we were married!) she still knew I loved nice cars, and so does she, although her proclivities lean more towards classic cars. And trying hard to think about it, I can't really think of anything major I've developed an interest in after we met, which I wasn't interested in already.

Possibly antiques/vintage things, old buildings, etc, which weren't as much on my radar before, and which I now love. However, Del got me into that, so it's now simply another interest that we both share and enjoy together.


No one can be a 100% perfect match for their partner when it comes to interests, so there will always be an amount of one person drives the decision forward, while the other just goes along with it.


Perhaps in general that's how things go, but not in our relationship.

The point I was making before about changing someone was that, say in terms of my situation, well my love of hi-fi and music, fine food and wine, for example, was a BIG part of me LONG before I met Del. Therefore, if she wanted to be my wife, she'd have to accept that and learn to live with it. Ditto the other way round, which I'd have equally respected and accepted.

*That* is what true compromise is about: totally accepting and respecting who someone is, and what was an important part of them, long before you knew them, and not trying to change them!

Therefore, since we were talking about turntables, all the 'hi-fi and music paraphernalia' I'd acquired over the years long before meeting Del, would subsequently *HAVE* to become part of the home we were going to share, and that would go for Del's stuff too, and which is precisely what happened.

In terms of making decisions, they're always done together, and only after we BOTH agree. The only time that one of us will drive the decision forward, is when one of us knows more about something than the other, and ultimately will gain more from it (such as the appliances we chose for our new kitchen, which Del largely decided upon, although I still had an input), but NEVER does one of us 'just go along with it', for the sake of a 'quiet life' or whatever, as both of us are too feisty and strong willed to behave that way.


In can just imagine how the Brabster sales pitch went - if it was anything like the reply you're about to compose, I can picture Del going "Fine, fine, that sounds like a good idea. now what we having for tea?" :ner: You then interpret the lack of opposition as full agreement. Go on, tell me I'm wrong!

Haha... Well, you are! However, I'll be honest and say that she didn't love the car as much as me, but she still liked it and fully understood why I wanted to buy it.

And since I've bought it and she's been in it, she absolutely LOVES how it drives and handles, and particularly the rather thrilling turn of speed it's capable of!:D As mentioned above, cars are one of the areas where I know more than she does, so I'll then 'drive the decision forward', but only for my car, not hers!

As far as that goes, I'll recommend what I think would be good to get, based on her chosen criteria, but she always has the final decision. That's how it's done, mate: showing each other mutual respect/consideration and being willing to give and take, with no-one in the relationship being the overall 'boss':cool:

That's why I hate all this 'WAF' nonsense, as it's simply the domain of henpecked husbands, married to women who don't know how to compromise!!

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

Fuc Marco you sending me dizzy with that essay :D

Chez told me a bit back she used to fancy me when i used to work in a Record shop in Town in the early 80's & she used to Lick the shop window outside every day.. Strange how it actually took her 15 years to get in there :rolleyes: I did tell her from the offset that music & Hi-Fi will always come first. :D

[Marco]

Fuc Marco you sending me dizzy with that essay :D


Lol - I just like Piggurs to know exactly how things are without being under any illusions!

Marco.

[Marco]

Judging by the number of female members on AOS it would take some time to find a partner who would be completely accepting of the sort of sound systems most of us on here have.


I know where you're coming from Roy, but not really, providing you're not seeking to change the person (your partner) whom you're intending to live with, but rather accepting their 'baggage', as it were, as part of the overall package. Your 'baggage' in this instance being your hi-fi gear.

Did you have all that stuff before you met your lady friend? If so, well..... I mean, where will her substantial shoe and frock collection be going?;)

Therefore, if you're not trying to change someone, or 'obliterate' their past [or accumulated possessions], and instead accepting them 'warts and all', then hi-fi gear, or anything else within reason, doesn't need to be an issue, as long as there's enough space where you're going to put everything!:)

Marco.

[Roy S]

Yes, space is the key. I wouldn't want my hifi to be in the main living area as I'd barely get chance to use it as a certain someone would be watching the telly. Think I actually had more gear when we first met, the box count has dropped considerably since then whereas she's certainly bought more shoes and 'frocks' :D

[Made in 1968]

Ive actually re-designed the living room to house the stereo in a fashion that you would never notice :D Never been for what Hi-Fi enthusiasts always do when laying out a stereo. Adrians got the idea ;)

[RobbieGong]

Thank God for a second / separate lounge space.

Not big at all in this typical 1930s semi.

Most have had the wall knocked out to create a one large room, through lounge.

Its one of the things, my wife and I liked when we first viewed it, some years back.

Front room is tv room.

Back room is where the dining room, main pc and my system is. It's a nice space that I'm proper glad and grateful to have, regardless of its modest size :)

[Made in 1968]

I like open Plan. Your not living in a rabbit hutch that way. You have to be clever with such big open rooms using furniture etc to divide the open space up so you dont waste it.

[Marco]

Yes, space is the key. I wouldn't want my hifi to be in the main living area as I'd barely get chance to use it as a certain someone would be watching the telly. Think I actually had more gear when we first met, the box count has dropped considerably since then whereas she's certainly bought more shoes and 'frocks' :D

Haha... Doesn't she like listening to music then, Roy?:)

Del and I can happily spend hours together listening to choons, over a nice bottle of red - and the TV remains firmly off!:cool:

Marco.

[Roy S]

Haha... Doesn't she like listening to music then, Roy?:)



Only selected tracks from the likes of Phil Collins, Bee Gees, Chris De Burgh.. so that's a 'no'

[Made in 1968]

Same here Chez listens to some right old shite. She used to like 80's stuff like Human League but just listens to bollox made for teenagers these days :doh:

[RobbieGong]

Same here Chez listens to some right old shite. She used to like 80's stuff like Human League but just listens to bollox made for teenagers these days :doh:

:lol: you sure a have a 'turn of phrase' fella :D

[anthonyTD]

Bit late to this but, good to see you back Andre! :eek::D
Same here Chez listens to some right old shite. She used to like 80's stuff like Human League but just listens to bollox made for teenagers these days :doh:

[Pigmy Pony]

I mean, where will her substantial shoe and frock collection be going?;)


Marco.

Don't tell him Roy! He'll be asking about dress and shoe sizes next...

[Roy S]

Don't tell him Roy! He'll be asking about dress and shoe sizes next...

She's very diminutive Steve but I suppose what would be normal length frocks on her could be worn as mini dresses?

[Marco]

Don't tell him Roy! He'll be asking about dress and shoe sizes next...

Never mind that - any thoughts on my earlier (lengthy) reply to you? Note: when I take the time and effort to post stuff like that, I appreciate an answer!:ner:

In any case, Roy and me already swap frocks, and it's got nothing to do with his lady friend!:o:kiss::D

Marco.

[Roy S]

In any case, Roy and me already swap frocks, and it's got nothing to do with his lady friend!:o:kiss::D



Yes and I still can't get that stain out of the black silk number :eek:

[Marco]

If it's that white one with creamy 'streaks', I'm adamant it was there before I borrowed it!:flasher:

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

You may well be right, but neither Del (if I were trying to change her) nor myself would settle for that or it allow it to happen. We're both very determined and strong-willed, free-thinking people, so our view with marriage, even before we met, was that you either found the *right* person, and waited for that to happen, or simply stayed single!

One of the reasons that divorce today is rife, is because folk simply aren't fussy enough who they marry, or become too seduced by physical appearances and don't consider enough what a person would be like to live with 24/7, 365 under the same roof as you... That's why before we got married, we lived together first for a year, just to see that we could successfully cohabitate without killing each other lol - and if more people did that, rather than just rushing into things, I believe there'd be far less divorces!



Wot - you've never seen how dating sites work? The whole idea is to find someone who's compatible with you, based on certain criteria. Now I didn't meet Del on a dating site (such things weren't even invented then), but the same process can occur naturally, when two people just 'click'. In that respect, the only things realistically that Del and I don't have in common is that she's a veggie/vegan, doesn't like football, and we have some slightly different cultural interests.

That's about it it! Pretty much with everything else, we're singing from the same hymn sheet:)



Well, that's where we're very different, then. My core interests and passions such as music, good food/drink, foreign travel, nice cars, football, etc, will be with me for life, as they're fundamentally a part of ME, and so I simply couldn't 'lose interest' in them. And Del's the same with her core interests/passions.



Lol... No, the thing is I've always loved nice (generally fast, sporty) cars, or cars that are a bit different from the norm, so although I didn't have the Brabster back then (I didn't even have a car licence, as I passed my test the year after we were married!) she still knew I loved nice cars, and so does she, although her proclivities lean more towards classic cars. And trying hard to think about it, I can't really think of anything major I've developed an interest in after we met, which I wasn't interested in already.

Possibly antiques/vintage things, old buildings, etc, which weren't as much on my radar before, and which I now love. However, Del got me into that, so it's now simply another interest that we both share and enjoy together.



Perhaps in general that's how things go, but not in our relationship.

The point I was making before about changing someone was that, say in terms of my situation, well my love of hi-fi and music, fine food and wine, for example, was a BIG part of me LONG before I met Del. Therefore, if she wanted to be my wife, she'd have to accept that and learn to live with it. Ditto the other way round, which I'd have equally respected and accepted.

*That* is what true compromise is about: totally accepting and respecting who someone is, and what was an important part of them, long before you knew them, and not trying to change them!

Therefore, since we were talking about turntables, all the 'hi-fi and music paraphernalia' I'd acquired over the years long before meeting Del, would subsequently *HAVE* to become part of the home we were going to share, and that would go for Del's stuff too, and which is precisely what happened.

In terms of making decisions, they're always done together, and only after we BOTH agree. The only time that one of us will drive the decision forward, is when one of us knows more about something than the other, and ultimately will gain more from it (such as the appliances we chose for our new kitchen, which Del largely decided upon, although I still had an input), but NEVER does one of us 'just go along with it', for the sake of a 'quiet life' or whatever, as both of us are too feisty and strong willed to behave that way.



Haha... Well, you are! However, I'll be honest and say that she didn't love the car as much as me, but she still liked it and fully understood why I wanted to buy it.

And since I've bought it and she's been in it, she absolutely LOVES how it drives and handles, and particularly the rather thrilling turn of speed it's capable of!:D As mentioned above, cars are one of the areas where I know more than she does, so I'll then 'drive the decision forward', but only for my car, not hers!

As far as that goes, I'll recommend what I think would be good to get, based on her chosen criteria, but she always has the final decision. That's how it's done, mate: showing each other mutual respect/consideration and being willing to give and take, with no-one in the relationship being the overall 'boss':cool:

That's why I hate all this 'WAF' nonsense, as it's simply the domain of henpecked husbands, married to women who don't know how to compromise!!

Marco.

Fine, fine, I think we broadly agree. Now what we having for tea?

My two core interests (foreign travel and music) have never gone away, although the foreign travel bit is just getting abroad couple of times a year. My other interests (hifi, weightlifting/powerlifting, motorbikes, judo, archery) come and go, then come back again, although the weightlifting and judo are now unlikely to return. So maybe the hifi interest will stick around longer :)

When I think about it, all these interests existed before I took up with Mrs. P, so my argument falls down there.

No need to reply to this post, I think the other members have suffered enough :ner:


Edit: Sorry it took a while to reply - I'm quite a slow reader, also I needed a lie down halfway through

[Roy S]

I'm adamant it was there before I borrowed it!:flasher:


Hmm, you may be right but it's definitely been added to

[Marco]

Fine, fine, I think we broadly agree. Now what we having for tea?


Pan-fried free-range chicken breast with a fresh lemon and butter sauce, sprinkled with fresh parsley and served with spätzle (Hungarian egg noodles) and fresh spinach.

Is that ok? It'll be on the table in five minutes!:)

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Wish you'd said sooner, it'll be cold by the time I get there :(

So it's reheated beef casserole for me, and I think I'll have some HP sauce on it :) Washed down with some Pepsi Max.

[tapid]

Never mind that - any thoughts on my earlier (lengthy) reply to you? Note: when I take the time and effort to post stuff like that, I appreciate an answer!:ner:

In any case, Roy and me already swap frocks, and it's got nothing to do with his lady friend!:o:kiss::D

Marco.. Lengthy that was longer than War and Peace :eyebrows:

[Made in 1968]

I could have watch the whole of Spartacus quicker than it took me to read it :D

[Alex_UK]

Lol... But seriously, if you've got the type of petty and controlling 'wife' who complains about how a fooking turntable looks, start getting the divorce papers written up!!

Marco.

Indeed, should have seen the writing on the wall then, but I was only 20. Sue (wife#2, yet to be replaced but who knows after this "social isolation" :D ) is the opposite - she doesn't really "get" hi-fi, but it was her that encouraged me to get a vinyl system set up again to enjoy with the kids, and my far from attractive Spendors back in use. She totally accepts that music is one of the loves of my life, and it has to be reproduced to a reasonable standard. And to be fair, she does appreciate the difference a half-decent setup makes.

[Gazjam]

I could have watch the whole of Spartacus quicker than it took me to read it :D

No...
I could have watched the whole of Spartacus...

[Pigmy Pony]

:lol: I see what you did there

[struth]

I have Spartacus

[tapid]

Poor Marco :(

[Gazjam]

I'm Brian, and so's my Wife...

[Marco]

Yooz are all daftees:lol:

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Yooz are all daftees:lol:

Marco.

Could you not expand on that comment :D

[Audio Al]

Could you not expand on that comment :D

We need at least 5000 words :)

[Macca]

And some graphs.

[Pigmy Pony]

Well it's been three days now, so we can safely assume Marco doesn't do graphs. Apart from the Spirograph he got for Christmas.

[Marco]

You guessed it!:D

Marco.

[Barry]

Always wanted a spirograph - must be the mathematician in me!

[AJSki2fly]

Always wanted a spirograph - must be the mathematician in me!

I loved my Spirograph, hours of fun creating meaningless images twiddling coloured biros around on paper, it kept me amused anyway.

[struth]

had one too, well it might have been my sisters ..not sure.. it was ok for a short while but i preferred table football

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/v6J35Q_-qYoVa-Tp3muE0zUr6C_kkdVVUca6dajGwhq8kl5zdZVE46dnfC8M2A0o c5-pb-sRw7v0yiG6tM65yHJ510nYQEz7WLtRjPACrUkVafD-yoLnSVRrjji6fA

it was cheap too. Tiddly wink style game and was lots of fun

[tapid]

Was a subuteo nut me selve

[Marco]

Same here! I *absolutely loved* that game and collecting the various teams. It was also half decent at playing it:)

Spirograph was also a giggle, just purely though for making nice little patterns!

Marco.

[struth]

Had subeuteo too and it was obviously a much better made game, but the tiddlywinks one was actually more fun. Just a cardboard field. Plastic goals and the men were always snapping, but you could glue them etc

[Kit1cat]

had one too, well it might have been my sisters ..not sure.. it was ok for a short while but i preferred table football

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/v6J35Q_-qYoVa-Tp3muE0zUr6C_kkdVVUca6dajGwhq8kl5zdZVE46dnfC8M2A0o c5-pb-sRw7v0yiG6tM65yHJ510nYQEz7WLtRjPACrUkVafD-yoLnSVRrjji6fA

it was cheap too. Tiddly wink style game and was lots of fun

Use to love that game, probably still got got some broken players laying about. :)

[Pigmy Pony]

Bet the members collectively have enough broken/incomplete toys and games to put together some complete ones :)

[tapid]

Blow football as well was awesome, and I suspect the forerunner of the other games mentioned. Okay, maybe not that great, but memories and all that !

[Mikeandvan]

Didn't have many toys as a kid. I used to like drawing pictures of guns in pencil. I also used to have photographs of Ford Sierras on my wall, no idea why.

[Marco]

I used to like drawing pictures of guns in pencil. I also used to have photographs of Ford Sierras on my wall, no idea why.

Quality. My thing was severed heads and meat cleavers, big axes, shit like that, oh and dead bodies, lots of them, drawn with crayons... No idea why. Sometimes I wasn't allowed out.

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Quality. My thing was severed heads and meat cleavers, big axes, shit like that, oh and dead bodies, lots of them, drawn with crayons... No idea why. Sometimes I wasn't allowed out.

Marco.

My God, now it's all falling into place! :eek:

[Audio Al]

My God, now it's all falling into place! :eek:

The nearest he can get now is DEAD Animals :eek: Quick run and hide :eek:

[RobbieGong]

Andre gone again ? :scratch:

[Marco]

Yeah mate, it seems that way for the foreseeable...

Marco.

[RobbieGong]

Yeah mate, it seems that way for the foreseeable...

Marco.

Ah, Oakey dokes ...

[Ninanina]

Andre I know very well what it's like to 'chase' the perfect sound at home...

After some 25 years I've only just got it right, in my view anyway

So hope you find what 'sound' you are seeking

[Puffin]

No High's - No Low's...it Must Be Bose.

[Pigmy Pony]

No High's - No Low's...it Must Be Bose.

Yeah but they look nice, and that's the main thing isn't it

[Barry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBe7-6rw4M

ZCBe7-6rw4M

[Marco]

That didn't quite work... Would you like some help?;)


https://youtu.be/ZCBe7-6rw4M

Marco.

[RobbieGong]

That didn't quite work... Would you like some help?;)


https://youtu.be/ZCBe7-6rw4M

Marco.

:D