Full Time Job

[Made in 1968]

Some poeple claim its a breeze finding a full time job, they are obviously deluded, but it easy sat behind a computer telling someone that :rolleyes: Monday was the first day in my new Full time job. Its took me over 5 Years to get another Full time job, Working all the hours i can get to get by aint fun nor ideal but i refused to be on the Dole..

Anyway its like heaven going out early in a morning know you have done a full days work earning a real wage again.. Ten years im Retiring anyway so hope the job lasts that long..

[struth]

You can't buy self respect

[Marco]

Nice one, dude. What does the job involve?:)

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

Turd polisher

[Marco]

Lol... Seriously though, what will you be doing?:)

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

Not giving you know who bait ..

[Alex_UK]

Whatever you are polishing, happy for you buddy if you're happy. :)

[Marco]

Not giving you know who bait ..

Ah.. The Swedish panty sniffer;)

Marco.

[Gazjam]

Fair Play Andre,

I know what it’s like.
Took a “career break” for a couple of years looking after Mum n Dad in their latter years, getting back in wasn’t as easy as I’d thought.

Had dealings with the Dole...
Its not good for you, and as Grant says you can’t buy dignity.

Good on you mate.




Some poeple claim its a breeze finding a full time job, they are obviously deluded, but it easy sat behind a computer telling someone that :rolleyes: Monday was the first day in my new Full time job. Its took me over 5 Years to get another Full time job, Working all the hours i can get to get by aint fun nor ideal but i refused to be on the Dole..

Anyway its like heaven going out early in a morning know you have done a full days work earning a real wage again.. Ten years im Retiring anyway so hope the job lasts that long..

[Made in 1968]

Cheers Gaz. For some odd reason people think it is easy getting a full time job, Its totally not, Just got a bit more training & 300 hours on the job with someone & then im on it.. If this job can last me 8 years im happy.

[Gazjam]

https://i.imgur.com/HpeHi6l.png

[Gazjam]

Had that pinned to my wall beside my monitor when Jobsearching...:)
He works!

Fun fact, my Son sent me this when he saw me struggling.
Never say never.

[CageyH]

The older you get, the harder it is. If I ever get made redundant here, I very much doubt I will be able to find another job easily.

Congratulations on finding the job, and top marks for preserving.

[hifinutt]

one of my family sends tens of dozens of applications and gets very little response . been a very very hard grind to get a job. its hard and thats in one of the busiest cities in UK

[Made in 1968]

All low hour contracts these days. The worse ones are those that have you in all week just to make your low contract up. This shit needs stopping imho..

O ive sent hundreds of applications in even had loads of interviews, They dont even bother telling you that you have been unsucessfull nowadays..

[RobbieGong]

Well done, Andre and yes it can be very tough......

[Light Dependant Resistor]

All low hour contracts these days. The worse ones are those that have you in all week just to make your low contract up. This shit needs stopping imho..

O ive sent hundreds of applications in even had loads of interviews, They dont even bother telling you that you have been unsucessfull nowadays..

The recruitment industry will surprise just how far they can stoop into what should be illegal practices,
Here are the tools you need to discover what each job advert is really up to 1. a mozilla browser 2. https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/
You will need to then sort through the java scripts they use to discover what they contain.

Invariably the person who you think is a potential employer is sending your information to numerous other bodies, who very sadly act to select certain criteria totally unrelated to the job to
then select who ( if at all ) they then proceed with. It is a sick practice.... but can be dispensed with by writing to each employer by post., frustrating their online games.

[Pigmy Pony]

If your "potential employer" is just passing on your details to third parties, then your postal application is just going into their bin. So that's a waste of a stamp then. I suppose it depends what type of work you're after, my area used to be graphic art and print, but for the last 20 years has been to do with the building trade, where fortunately being there in person is the order of the day :)

Well done on getting your new job Andre, hope it works out. Now get up them apples'n'pears, busy day tomorrow :D

[Light Dependant Resistor]

[QUOTE=Pigmy Pony;1157991]If your "potential employer" is just passing on your details to third parties, then your postal application is just going into their bin. So that's a waste of a stamp then. I suppose it depends what type of work you're after, my area used to be graphic art and print, but for the last 20 years has been to do with the building trade, where fortunately being there in person is the order of the day :) /QUOTE]

If so then that is indicating your job application stood no chance anyway. But far better people always use written applications rather than their information being sold online, do you agree ?
In time if it becomes habit the recruitment industry would be discovered for what they are really up to, which is all ready well known, to have little to do with offering actual employment.

If the employer is binning posted applications you would have every right to lodge a discrimination claim based on employment opportunity - providing evidence of posting then letter from
the employer, your information could not be produced at the hearing. With 40,000 lets say such claims per week the recruitment industry would be forced to accept written applications
as the only valid means of gaining employment.

Indeed just turning up at work sites might yield a result.

[Made in 1968]

Those who just love being unemployed & just play the game love all that..

[Pigmy Pony]

[QUOTE=Pigmy Pony;1157991]If your "potential employer" is just passing on your details to third parties, then your postal application is just going into their bin. So that's a waste of a stamp then. I suppose it depends what type of work you're after, my area used to be graphic art and print, but for the last 20 years has been to do with the building trade, where fortunately being there in person is the order of the day :) /QUOTE]

If so then that is indicating your job application stood no chance anyway. But far better people always use written applications rather than their information being sold online, do you agree ?
In time if it becomes habit the recruitment industry would be discovered for what they are really up to, which is all ready well known, to have little to do with offering actual employment.

If the employer is binning posted applications you would have every right to lodge a discrimination claim based on employment opportunity - providing evidence of posting then letter from
the employer, your information could not be produced at the hearing. With 40,000 lets say such claims per week the recruitment industry would be forced to accept written applications
as the only valid means of gaining employment.

Indeed just turning up at work sites might yield a result.

Agree entirely Chris, and a concise well thought out handwritten application must surely be better than something knocked out on a keyboard and emailed to an employer. Providing the letter is legible of course. Unfortunately we may be moving towards a time where penmanship gives way to textspeak for God's sake :(

[Shovel_Knight]

I started working part time at 16, got my first full time job at 19 and never had a problem with finding jobs. In fact, I tried two times to take a long break between two jobs only to receive a very lucrative offer and take up a new job immediately after quitting the old one.

Unfortunately, that stopped once I moved to Ireland, it took me 8 months to land my first job here and it was a 3-month contract. It took me another 6 months to find my next job and eventually I got a permanent contract but I had to fight for it tooth and nail. Now this job is absolute bullshit and I really want to quit but this experience makes me very reluctant to try my luck again.

[walpurgis]

A long time ago, I started full time work at the age of fifteen with no qualifications, but was never out of work until I retired 11 years ago.

I was technically unemployed for six weeks when I was 19, but moonlighted in that time. From age 21, I never had to look for a job, they were offered to me and many employers asked me not to leave, but I moved on. I was in charge of a sixty man workforce by 26 and had fifty years in civil engineering behind me when I retired.

None of it was really planned, it just worked out that way.

I'd like to work a bit again, but it would have to be my own business.

[Roy S]

A long time ago, I started full time work at the age of fifteen with no qualifications, but was never out of work until I retired 11 years ago.

I was technically unemployed for six weeks when I was 19, but moonlighted in that time. From age 21, I never had to look for a job, they were offered to me and many employers asked me not to leave, but I moved on. I was in charge of a sixty man workforce by 26 and had fifty years in civil engineering behind me when I retired.



Didn't realise you were 76 Geoff?

Yes, I had all that 'You're indispensable' bo**ocks when I said I was retiring but they managed to replace me with an extra accountant & two more admin assistants :D

[Pigmy Pony]

Didn't realise you were 76 Geoff?

:D

Is he really? he sounds so young :)

When I finished my apprenticeship in 1979 I left to work at another firm, two years later the company, established 1885, closed its doors and two years after that the building was demolished and has been a car park ever since. Just sayin'.

Sack me at your peril! :eek:

[walpurgis]

Didn't realise you were 76 Geoff?

I'm not.

[struth]

I'm not.

hes 77 :ner: early retirement folks :D

[walpurgis]

hes 77 :ner: early retirement folks :D

Right. It's pension books at dawn outside the adult nappy shop!!:)

[struth]

sloppy nappy fight... lets see who's is heaviest :eek:

[Stryder5]

I'm not.

I saw someone just like the person in this avatar lurking outside Southall Railway Station. I think the cup had the number 77 on it? Maybe had a dog nearby. :scratch:

[struth]

Is he really? he sounds so young :)

When I finished my apprenticeship in 1979 I left to work at another firm, two years later the company, established 1885, closed its doors and two years after that the building was demolished and has been a car park ever since. Just sayin'.

Sack me at your peril! :eek:

every company i ever worked for went bust... yes i was just that bad...:D

[Marco]

When I finished my apprenticeship in 1979...

Wasn't that the year you popped yer cherry [you said you were a 'late developer'], and Big Bertha ruined you behind the bike shed?:D

I was still at secondary school then, auld yin, in 2nd year. '79 was one of my fav years ever, along with the following three... Great times!:)

Marco.

[Macca]

Is he really? he sounds so young :)

When I finished my apprenticeship in 1979 I left to work at another firm, two years later the company, established 1885, closed its doors and two years after that the building was demolished and has been a car park ever since. Just sayin'.

Sack me at your peril! :eek:

Similar happened to me, I jumped ship from decent job at a multinational for pastures new. Turned out the new company was set up in a building that looked like the sort of place The Professionals take suspects for interrogation. Half derelict, with all the wiring for the computers just lashed up across the floor. It folded after I'd only been there 8 weeks.

About a year later they knocked the whole place down, and yes, it's a car park now.

[Pigmy Pony]

Similar happened to me, I jumped ship from decent job at a multinational for pastures new. Turned out the new company was set up in a building that looked like the sort of place The Professionals take suspects for interrogation. Half derelict, with all the wiring for the computers just lashed up across the floor. It folded after I'd only been there 8 weeks.

About a year later they knocked the whole place down, and yes, it's a car park now.

What was it persuaded you to move from a good job to an abandoned warehouse? Just how big were the recruiter's tits?

My previous post may have been misleading - it was the company I left which went to the wall, the firm I went to was 80 years old, and enjoyed another 22 years with me, but also went bust soon after I left. I can't take any credit for that, the writing was on the wall, and I took voluntary redundancy, with the prospect of about 20 grand payout.

As soon as I was out the door they went into administration, the company ceased to exist, and I got exactly nowt. Bastards knew when they accepted my resignation that they wouldn't have to pay me anything :(

Still I had the last laugh - those bosses are dead now, and I didn't send any flowers :)

[Macca]

What was it persuaded you to move from a good job to an abandoned warehouse? Just how big were the recruiter's tits?

)

Massive.

Seriously though, it wasn't an old warehouse it was just a 1920s office block that clearly hadn't been used in decades and I was told that it was just temporary while they got started, they were going to be a big player and everyone who was there from the start would move up the ranks rapidly as they expanded. And it was a new subsidiary of a multinational so I figured they had the backing to get where they wanted to go.

If I'd stayed where I was for another four years I would have got redundancy, fifteen grand payday. But what can you do? Life's a lottery.

I hate filling in application forms and going to interviews so I never apply for jobs like that. I just sign up with some agencies, e-mail them a CV, and take whatever they offer. Start as a temp, get your feet under the table, and eventually someone whose on permanent retires or moves on and you get their job.

[Marco]

MI hate filling in application forms and going to interviews so I never apply for jobs like that.

Lol - that's another area then where we're different... Not so keen on filling in forms, but I *LOVE* interviews [it's also my favourite part of 'The Apprentice';)], as I get to demonstrate my outgoing/gregarious personality, ability to be a team player, and most of all, the chance to pit my wits against the interviewer and gauge what type of person they might be looking for!

I've always revelled in pressurised/challenging situations like that....:)

Also, as an employer [and I've been one in the past]. I'd NEVER, *EVER* employ someone I hadn't seen face-to-face first, to see whether I actually LIKED them, and therefore wanted to work with them, regardless of how well-qualified they might've been to fill the position.

When you're working with different people, personality counts!

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

Yeh and one twat in the morning can put everyone in a bad mood, its like a chemical reaction..

[Marco]

Lol - I know what you mean! Can't stand moaners or negative, 'glass half-empty', folk who put you on a downer.

Marco.

[Stryder5]

I once applied for a Sales Manager's job at a First Tier Supplier to the Automotive Manufacturing Industry.

After a while I got to the third and last interview stage with the Managing Director, Sales Director and Personnel Director (HR now I guess).

It was obvious from the get go that the Personnel guy was just there to try and rattle me, his name was Roger, ( I found out later everyone called him Roger the Dodger).

Near to the end of the interview he was including rather personal questions ( think like 'is your sex life ok').

I refused to be wound up and said, "in my life Roger I've found that the people that can 'do', the people that can't 'teach', and all the wankers in this world end up in 'personnel'.

Surprisingly I got the job!

Gary

[Marco]

Honesty is always the best policy!:D

Marco.

[Macca]

Lol - that's another area then where we're different... Not so keen on filling in forms, but I *LOVE* interviews [it's also my favourite part of 'The Apprentice';)], as I get to demonstrate my outgoing/gregarious personality, ability to be a team player, and most of all, the chance to pit my wits against the interviewer and gauge what type of person they might be looking for!

I've always revelled in pressurised/challenging situations like that....:)

Also, as an employer [and I've been one in the past]. I'd NEVER, *EVER* employ someone I hadn't seen face-to-face first, to see whether I actually LIKED them, and therefore wanted to work with them, regardless of how well-qualified they might've been to fill the position.

When you're working with different people, personality counts!

Marco.

Thing is if you are actually already there as a temp they already know you and what you can do so they'd rather hire you as a known quantity than take a chance.

I'm talking about big companies here, obviously it's different if it is a small operation, they don't tend to have much turnover of staff so it doesn't really work as a strategy.

My current job I only went there for two weeks to cover another temp that went off sick, who in turn was covering the permanent staff who was also off sick. As it turned out neither ever came back so after about 3 months they made me permanent. Now done more than 13 years there.

Job I had before that was the same, went there for two weeks and they took me on permanent. Maybe it's just luck. I don't know, but a lot of the people I work with started as temps the same way I did.

Interviews are bullshit really, can't be doing with them. Having to 'sell yourself'. It's demeaning. My way they come to you and ask you if you want to stay. Much more equitable.

[Roy S]

I'm not.

I forgot your 5 years in black ops, 81 then :D

[Marco]

Thing is if you are actually already there as a temp they already know you and what you can do so they'd rather hire you as a known quantity than take a chance.

I'm talking about big companies here, obviously it's different if it is a small operation, they don't tend to have much turnover of staff so it doesn't really work as a strategy.

My current job I only went there for two weeks to cover another temp that went off sick, who in turn was covering the permanent staff who was also off sick. As it turned out neither ever came back so after about 3 months they made me permanent. Now done more than 13 years there.

Job I had before that was the same, went there for two weeks and they took me on permanent. Maybe it's just luck. I don't know, but a lot of the people I work with started as temps the same way I did.

Interviews are bullshit really, can't be doing with them. Having to 'sell yourself'. It's demeaning. My way they come to you and ask you if you want to stay. Much more equitable.

I know what you mean, but I never did that; just chilled, was myself, and enjoyed the challenge/experience. I was never nervous. Before I started my own business, I only went for sales jobs I felt I had a very good chance of getting, and was (still am) a confident big bastard, and so failed few interviews!:D

The other stuff you mention is understandable, but i didn't work for many big companies - mostly small concerns, so getting on with your boss and others you worked with was massively important for everyone, not least of all you, if you were to be happy/achieve job satisfaction, and I never settled for anything less.

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

I hate interviews, You have to literally lie or you wont get the job. Honesty is not the best policy. If i have been 100% truthfull in the interview i had for this job i would not have got it, thats a promise.

[Marco]

I can appreciate why you might have to, but for me it was simply a case of 'what you see is what you get', and if you don't like it, then I'll find someone else who does!:D

In the 80s and very early 90s, when I worked for others, it was easier finding jobs than it is now, especially in sales, and when *you knew* you were GOOD!;)

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

Dead easy in the 80's i walked out of one job straight into another.. However these days when you been looking for a full time job for so long you have to do what you have to do.. You are on your own in this world, they dont give a crap about you, it works both ways... I personally go to work to make money, nothing else what so ever.

[Marco]

Fair enough dude, I get that and agree. However, I've enjoyed every job I've had (in different ways), and that's because I took the necessary steps to ensure that was likely to be the case, as there's nothing worse than getting up in the morning and dreading the day ahead!:rolleyes:

Like you say though, ultimately, you do what you have to do to survive.....

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

I hate going to work, wasting your complete life working plus i have a total aversion to managment white collars..

Thats why i have done at 60, had enough of it all... Ill at least get ten years of life then before i snuff it.. Thing is we are literally forced to go to work by this countries controllers.

[Marco]

Oh I know - we're on the same page there, dude. That's why I refused to be controlled [or part of the system/rat race] and early on decided instead to be a 'controller'....;)

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

Every single job ive had without fail im in the office on the carpet in front of some bone idle white collar monkey trying to bull shite me with warnings. I always work in a professional manner but when some twat comes trying it on, thats when the baloon goes up. Thing is these days ive started being a bit more smart & play the game with rights..

Bring back Shop stewards from the 70's Be no piss taking then.

[Marco]

Yeah, most workers these days need to stand up for themselves and be more militant, rather than just lying down and being 'rogered'/shat upon from a great height...:doh:

Problem is, too many folks are mortgaged up to the hilt/have debts/umpteen kids to pay for, and so can't afford to lose their jobs even if they hate them. That's one of the reasons why it's always best to live as simply as you can and minimise any debts, as it puts *you* in control of your life more, and in a position to stick two fingers up at the wankers telling you what to do!

:exactly:

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

I know what you mean, but I never did that; just chilled, was myself, and enjoyed the challenge/experience. I was never nervous. Before I started my own business, I only went for sales jobs I felt I had a very good chance of getting, and was (still am) a confident big bastard, and so failed few interviews!:D

The other stuff you mention is understandable, but i didn't work for many big companies - mostly small concerns, so getting on with your boss and others you worked with was massively important for everyone, not least of all you, if you were to be happy/achieve job satisfaction, and I never settled for anything less.

Marco.

One such interview:

Thank you Mr Marco for your comprehensive and very er, detailed answers to our questions, although I don't recall asking about your views on the Royal family. I think we probably all need a toilet break about now, so we'll reconvene in ten minutes".

After you've left the room:

For God's sake let's just give him the job then we can all go home. I'm losing the will to live!

It's a strategy that seems to have worked for you :) And no doubt they appreciated the pie charts and video of your CV. VHS long-play of course :D

[Marco]

:lolsign:

I expected you to have made much more of the toilet break!:D

I had an enjoyable release of gas once in an interview, rather 'warm' it was, too.....

Marco.

[struth]

Pretty sure they'd be out the window and down pub, leaving cardboard cutouts for you to impress..

[Marco]

Lol, nah, you have to let them get a word in too, sometimes:D

Marco.

[Made in 1968]

First night shift tonight on this new job.. My fav shift... Nights = No white collars :eyebrows: