Raspberry Pi help for Noobie....

[Weeman1973]

Hoping someone can help me into the world of RPI.

I've recently bought a set up consisting of a Raspberry Pi 2 B with Hifiberry Digi Pro.

I use Mac IOS only so wondering the best way to set it up? I've been told Volumio but having trouble getting that onto the SD card as my Mac won't allow Etcher (been told it's the new Catalina IOS that's blocking such programs)?

Also I use Tidal HiFi on my main system streamer so looking for something that can integrate seamlessly so any help anyone can provide as to how to proceed would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

[AJSki2fly]

Hoping someone can help me into the world of RPI.

I've recently bought a set up consisting of a Raspberry Pi 2 B with Hifiberry Digi Pro.

I use Mac IOS only so wondering the best way to set it up? I've been told Volumio but having trouble getting that onto the SD card as my Mac won't allow Etcher (been told it's the new Catalina IOS that's blocking such programs)?

Also I use Tidal HiFi on my main system streamer so looking for something that can integrate seamlessly so any help anyone can provide as to how to proceed would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Hi Russell

I saw your post and am working on it I am just finishing testing that the solution I have works. If it does I will post explicit instructions.

Cheers

Adrian

[Weeman1973]

Adrian, this is very kind of you, thanks in advance for your help.

[AJSki2fly]

Hoping someone can help me into the world of RPI.

I've recently bought a set up consisting of a Raspberry Pi 2 B with Hifiberry Digi Pro.

I use Mac IOS only so wondering the best way to set it up? I've been told Volumio but having trouble getting that onto the SD card as my Mac won't allow Etcher (been told it's the new Catalina IOS that's blocking such programs)?

Also I use Tidal HiFi on my main system streamer so looking for something that can integrate seamlessly so any help anyone can provide as to how to proceed would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.


OK Russell

So this it what I did, and this is after downloading the current version of balenaEtcher onto my MacBook which is running Catalina.

Go to System preferences and select "Security and Privacy", click on the Lock(bottom left of the window) and enter you Mac logon password.

In the left hand list select the click on the + sign under the "Allow apps below to access data" list, you will now be presented with a Finder navigation window, click on Applications in the left hand column in then in the list of Apps in the right column find balenaEtcha and click on it. Then click on the Open button. You should now see balenaEtcher in the list above with a tick by it, close the System Preferences window

Now go to Spotlight (click on the magnifying glass at the top right of the screen), type in Terminal and press return key to open it, alternatively go to the Applications folder and at the bottom you will find the Utilities folder, in there is Terminal click on it to open it. Once you have a new Terminal window open you can copy and paste the commands in RED below, and after each one you press the return key.

To copy position cursor at start of command and the click and drag to highlight the whole command, then hold down the command key followed by the C key(this will copy what you have highlighted.

xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/balenaEtcher.app

Now go to the open Terminal window and click on it, then hold the cmd key followed by the V key, this will paste the copied command above into the Terminal window, now press enter.

Now copy and paste the sudo command below into Terminal, as you did the one above and then press enter. Then follow the instructions below it, balenaEtcher should ope and you can make the image.

sudo /Applications/balenaEtcher.app/Contents/MacOS/balenaEtcher

Type password for user. Then do not touch the Terminal screen and leave it open go to the belenaEtcher panel and....
Then Select image & USB drive Then press Flash
Then it starts working & Successfully Flashed

Once finished the flash you can remove it and then put it into the Rpi and boot up and continue the configuration for Volumio. By the way you can access TIDAL from within Volumio but you need a base level account, you go to MyVolumio and select the type of account you want.

Have fun!

Here is a snapshot of the end result of the image I did following the above.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5g72BYf/Screenshot-2019-10-29-at-13-25-51.png (https://postimg.cc/gxVH60ZR)

[Edward]

Good grief Adrian, that is exceedingly kind of you to go to all that to help Russell. I'm seriously impressed. 10/10

[Weeman1973]

Thanks for taking the time to do this Adrian, it is very kind of you.

I now have an SD card with the Boot files for the Pi on it so will install when I get home and hopefully be able to complete the rest of the set up from there, if not I may be back asking for further assistance!

Thanks again.

[struth]

OK Russell

So this it what I did, and this is after downloading the current version of balenaEtcher onto my MacBook which is running Catalina.

Go to System preferences and select "Security and Privacy", click on the Lock(bottom left of the window) and enter you Mac logon password.

In the left hand list select the click on the + sign under the "Allow apps below to access data" list, you will now be presented with a Finder navigation window, click on Applications in the left hand column in then in the list of Apps in the right column find balenaEtcha and click on it. Then click on the Open button. You should now see balenaEtcher in the list above with a tick by it, close the System Preferences window

Now go to Spotlight (click on the magnifying glass at the top right of the screen), type in Terminal and press return key to open it, alternatively go to the Applications folder and at the bottom you will find the Utilities folder, in there is Terminal click on it to open it. Once you have a new Terminal window open you can copy and paste the commands in RED below, and after each one you press the return key.

To copy position cursor at start of command and the click and drag to highlight the whole command, then hold down the command key followed by the C key(this will copy what you have highlighted.

xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/balenaEtcher.app

Now go to the open Terminal window and click on it, then hold the cmd key followed by the V key, this will paste the copied command above into the Terminal window, now press enter.

Now copy and paste the sudo command below into Terminal, as you did the one above and then press enter. Then follow the instructions below it, balenaEtcher should ope and you can make the image.

sudo /Applications/balenaEtcher.app/Contents/MacOS/balenaEtcher

Type password for user. Then do not touch the Terminal screen and leave it open go to the belenaEtcher panel and....
Then Select image & USB drive Then press Flash
Then it starts working & Successfully Flashed

Once finished the flash you can remove it and then put it into the Rpi and boot up and continue the configuration for Volumio. By the way you can access TIDAL from within Volumio but you need a base level account, you go to MyVolumio and select the type of account you want.

Have fun!

Here is a snapshot of the end result of the image I did following the above.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5g72BYf/Screenshot-2019-10-29-at-13-25-51.png (https://postimg.cc/gxVH60ZR)

nice write up Adrian. might have save that somewhere for the site for others

[AJSki2fly]

Thanks for taking the time to do this Adrian, it is very kind of you.

I now have an SD card with the Boot files for the Pi on it so will install when I get home and hopefully be able to complete the rest of the set up from there, if not I may be back asking for further assistance!

Thanks again.

You are welcome Russell, you just need you friendly Genie around, I wanted to ensure I could re-install if necessary anyway, I will pop back in my bottle now. :D

[Sherwood]

Thanks for taking the time to do this Adrian, it is very kind of you.

I now have an SD card with the Boot files for the Pi on it so will install when I get home and hopefully be able to complete the rest of the set up from there, if not I may be back asking for further assistance!

Thanks again.

:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2r86G0sdc :)

[AJSki2fly]

:)


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Thanks for taking the time to do this Adrian, it is very kind of you.

I now have an SD card with the Boot files for the Pi on it so will install when I get home and hopefully be able to complete the rest of the set up from there, if not I may be back asking for further assistance!

Thanks again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2r86G0sdc :)

Sorry Geoff, that's too esoteric even for me, I just don't get it, explain please:scratch:

[Sherwood]

Sorry Geoff, that's too esoteric even for me, I just don't get it, explain please:scratch:

"I may be back asking for further assistance!"

[struth]

please can we have some more:D

[Crackles]

I've just bought a Raspberry Pi from Oli/Angus.

I have plugged it into a monitor with a wireless keyboard and mouse and I haven't a clue what to do from here. It is a blank screen asking me for a Volumio login and password, which of course I don't have.

I want to load Tidal on it but I'm not sure how to even get past the first step. Never used a PI before so totally clueless about how they work.

Can anyone help?

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[struth]

Might be admin admin.

[Bonky]

Have you seen: https://volumio.github.io/docs/User_Manual/Quick_Start_Guide

and/or: http://theaudiostandard.net/thread/1241/build-raspberry-based-audio-streamer?page=1&scrollTo=33612 ?

BW

Richard.

[Crackles]

The odd thing is if I type a login, 'admin' or whatever, it then asks me for a password but when I type in the password field nothing happens. It just does nothing then goes back to the login request.

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[AJSki2fly]

I've just bought a Raspberry Pi from Oli/Angus.

I have plugged it into a monitor with a wireless keyboard and mouse and I haven't a clue what to do from here. It is a blank screen asking me for a Volumio login and password, which of course I don't have.

I want to load Tidal on it but I'm not sure how to even get past the first step. Never used a PI before so totally clueless about how they work.

Can anyone help?

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OK the best thing to do is have a read of the set up process at https://volumio.org/get-started/ scroll down for the instructions.

You need a computer and a USB or SD Card adapter that takes a micro SD (the one from your RPI), before you get into setting it up, it may be worth asking Oli/Angus if he had Volumio loaded on it, although you may want to get the latest version anyway.

Basically you connect to the RPI over your network, I find it best to have the RPI connected to the ASDL box by ethernet cable. I presume that your RPI has a DAC attached? This enable you to connect it using RCA cables to you Hifi system.

You control and configure Volumio from a computer using volumio.local/ , or a mobile device (phone or tablet) such as iPhone or iPad, on these you can download the Volumio software to connect to your RPI.

To use TIDAL on Volumio you need a subscription Account with Volumio see https://volumio.org/volumio-plans-pricing/

I hope this helps.

[Crackles]

It does have Volumio installed which is why it is asking for a Volumio login and password. Oli said it had an SD card loaded too.

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[struth]

You really don't need it connected to at monitor or a keyboard.
Just find it on your network. Fing on a mobile will give you the ip address. Type that into a browser and it should pop up. Initially at least, connect it to router with an ethernet cable.. It has a semi auto set up if it is not already set up. If it is then just show it where music is

[SteveW]

It does have Volumio installed which is why it is asking for a Volumio login and password. Oli said it had an SD card loaded too.

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Hi John
You have my sympathy.. had similar issues myself and hope you can simply pick up Volumio on your network.
My problem seemed that Volumio wouldn’t recognise my NAS on the same network.
I got round it by reflashing a ‘legacy’ Volumio - my theory being that the problem has been caused by Volumio wanting a subscription.
Ultimately I’ve got round it all by downloading the latest MOode
Then flashing that onto an SD card- you may need to follow the brilliant instructions
I then access Tidal as the pi becomes a upnp point for Audirvana.
Hope this helps

[Crackles]

You really don't need it connected to at monitor or a keyboard.
Just find it on your network. Fing on a mobile will give you the ip address. Type that into a browser and it should pop up. Initially at least, connect it to router with an ethernet cable.. It has a semi auto set up if it is not already set up. If it is then just show it where music isI've just tried this but it doesn't come up in the list of connected devices. Every other device shows up. It is connected to the router via ethernet.

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[struth]

Try powering down router and leave for 30 secs then restart it. Same for rpi.

Also refresh fing a few times

[Crackles]

Try powering down router and leave for 30 secs then restart it. Same for rpi.

Also refresh fing a few timesDone this several times, still nothing. The lights on the Pi are on next to the ethernet plug to suggest it is connected but it doesn't show up on Fing. Tried disconnecting other devices and then reconnecting them and they go offline in Fing then reconnect so Fing seems to be fine but the Pi still won't show.

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[struth]

Maybe best downloading moode and flashing a sd card with it. Try that next and see if it works.

[struth]

There is always a chance of this happening so don't get dispondent.
It sometimes just needs some different strokes.
It's usually pretty easy tho.

[Crackles]

Maybe best downloading moode and flashing a sd card with it. Try that next and see if it works.Sorry I don't understand how to do this. I have pm'd Oli because I think he has used this unit so hopefully he may be able to shed some light. Thanks for your help.

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[Sherwood]

Just came across this thread. My advice? Give the Pi away! Buy a radio!

[Bigman80]

I've just bought a Raspberry Pi from Oli/Angus.

I have plugged it into a monitor with a wireless keyboard and mouse and I haven't a clue what to do from here. It is a blank screen asking me for a Volumio login and password, which of course I don't have.

I want to load Tidal on it but I'm not sure how to even get past the first step. Never used a PI before so totally clueless about how they work.

Can anyone help?

Sent from my SM-G920F using TapatalkWhat's going on 'ere then!

Monitor and keyboard??? No no no.

Right, as has already been suggested. It *should* show up on Fing and then you should be able to access the device via you browser by inputting the ip address of the Pi/Volumio into the http bar.

However, if this is not working, you may need to Re flash the micro SD card.

Downloadthe latest Moode package and download "balanetcher" to a pc/laptop

Enter the micro SD card into pc/lap top and open balanetcher.

Flash the micro SD card

Install it back into the pi then power everything up again.

Search for it via Fing. Could be called "moode" now

Use the ip address in you pc/laptop browser and then you are in!

Simple!

[Lawrence001]

What's going on 'ere then!

Monitor and keyboard??? No no no.

Right, as has already been suggested. It *should* show up on Fing and then you should be able to access the device via you browser by inputting the ip address of the Pi/Volumio into the http bar.

However, if this is not working, you may need to Re flash the micro SD card.

Downloadthe latest Moode package and download "balanetcher" to a pc/laptop

Enter the micro SD card into pc/lap top and open balanetcher.

Flash the micro SD card

Install it back into the pi then power everything up again.

Search for it via Fing. Could be called "moode" now

Use the ip address in you pc/laptop browser and then you are in!

Simple!He's got an Apple though, that seems to have caused some initial problems.

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[Bigman80]

He's got an Apple though, that seems to have caused some initial problems.

Sent from my POT-LX1 using TapatalkOooooh, right.

Can access what is connected to your router, via your routers ip address.

Try 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 into the http bar.

[Bonky]

Why problems with an Apple? Mine works perfectly.

Don't give up!

R

[Crackles]

No it's not an Mac it's a Windows laptop. I have downloaded the latest Moode software and BalenaEtcher but I don't have anyway of getting data onto a Micro sd card. Will try and get hold of a card reader tomorrow and take it from there.

Cheers [emoji106]

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[SteveW]

To be honest, if you are using a windows laptop, then flashing the SD card is easier than on a Mac (I have both).
Forgive me if you are already aware, but you will need to format the card
I use SD Card Formatter
Then I use Win32DiskImager (never used Balenaetcher- it might be as easy).
It will help you locate your image file (MOode) and the SD card on the reader through Device tab.

Just also wanted to add that you cannot play Tidal directly from MOode.
Tidal can be played through it by identifying the pi as a UPNP point, and playing Tidal from elsewhere (Audirvava in my case).
It sounds more complicated than it really is.

[struth]

It was said to try moode to see if it could be got to work as volumio isn't showing.

[Crackles]

To be honest, if you are using a windows laptop, then flashing the SD card is easier than on a Mac (I have both).
Forgive me if you are already aware, but you will need to format the card
I use SD Card Formatter
Then I use Win32DiskImager (never used Balenaetcher- it might be as easy).
It will help you locate your image file (MOode) and the SD card on the reader through Device tab.

Just also wanted to add that you cannot play Tidal directly from MOode.
Tidal can be played through it by identifying the pi as a UPNP point, and playing Tidal from elsewhere (Audirvava in my case).
It sounds more complicated than it really is.Thanks, will see if I can get it working first and then try Tidal after that. Just need to get a card reader from somewhere tomorrow.

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[Bigman80]

You could just as easily reflash it with an older version of Volumio but as Grant said, it's just to see if we can get John up and running. It'll also make more sense if he can see it working.

I believe I had to use a UpNP like bubbleplayer to get tidal to play via Volumio so no great shakes having moose or Volumio from that perspective, unless someone knows a way of using Volumio directly.

[Bigman80]

Oh, balanetcher does all the formatting for you, simple drag and drop, select the SD and press go.

[Lawrence001]

No it's not an Mac it's a Windows laptop. I have downloaded the latest Moode software and BalenaEtcher but I don't have anyway of getting data onto a Micro sd card. Will try and get hold of a card reader tomorrow and take it from there.

Cheers [emoji106]

Sent from my SM-G920F using TapatalkDoh thought you were the OP, very confusing thread [emoji23]

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[Crackles]

Right, that worked. I've flashed Moode to the sd card using a card reader, put it back in the Pi and the router is now recognising it.

So what do I do next?

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[struth]

Not sure if moode has a set up wizard or not.
If you have a spare sd min 8gb, pref 16gb.(if mem serves) you could do one for volumio too. Looking possible the original card program was corrupt.
Meanwhile you need to go through settings. Tell it what hat you have etc, where music is.
There is a how to, or was on the moode website, if there is no on board wizard

[Crackles]

I've put the IP address into my phone's browser and Moode appears. I've connected the Pi up to the amp and tried to play Moode's default stream but getting no sound whatsoever.

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[Crackles]

Or seeing as I want to Tidal would I be better overwriting the sd card with a programme that will be compatible with Tidal? (Volumio?). I thought Oli said Moode was just to get it working?

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[struth]

You need to set the i2s hat or dac on it, press set and restart first. Then go and set up music etc. There are other settings too.
Watch out the volume setting if there is one isn't set at zero

[struth]

Yes eventually but would be worth giving it 10 mins to see if you can make music.
If your prepared to join volumio then you will get the tidal link

Volumio also has a walk through wizard

[jonners]

Moode setup guide: https://github.com/moode-player/moode/blob/master/www/setup.txt

Look in particular at 'Player Setup and Configuration'.

[Bigman80]

As stated, you need to allocate the correct player.

See the linked set up.

[Crackles]

Moode setup guide: https://github.com/moode-player/moode/blob/master/www/setup.txt

Look in particular at 'Player Setup and Configuration'.Cheers but I've looked through that and I don't understand what half of it means. I tried setting the DAC to Allo Boss, setting and rebooting bit still no sound.

I kind of thought this unit was ready to go, had no idea it would be this complicated.

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[struth]

Maybe best u go volumio. Its wizard is fairly foolproof to get going.
There are radio stations still I think so these should be good to test with. As I say depending on how it's set up make sure the circular vc type control is at 100

[Bigman80]

Cheers but I've looked through that and I don't understand what half of it means. I tried setting the DAC to Allo Boss, setting and rebooting bit still no sound.

I kind of thought this unit was ready to go, had no idea it would be this complicated.

Sent from my SM-G920F using TapatalkBelieve me, it can be far more complicated lol.

It looks daunting at the minute but honestly, stick with it and it'll make sense.

I did pm you yesterday. I'm happy to video call you and help you set it up.

Easier with an older version Of Volumio Tbh but at least you now know you can find it online with moode.

[Crackles]

Hi Oli, I've tried to do the setup and I have got it to play the voice test but can't get any sound when I stream one of the radio stations.

Will I be better loading Volumio onto it instead of Moode?

Thanks for the offer of a video call, maybe an option if I don't get it set up from the instructions.

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[Bigman80]

Hi Oli, I've tried to do the setup and I have got it to play the voice test but can't get any sound when I stream one of the radio stations.

Will I be better loading Volumio onto it instead of Moode?

Thanks for the offer of a video call, maybe an option if I don't get it set up from the instructions.

Sent from my SM-G920F using TapatalkI don't understand what going on to be fair lol.

If you have audio then the pi and the Boss are all working. I don't know why it won't play the radio.

I do understand Volumio far better.

[SteveW]

I always struggled to get Tidal playing directly from Volumio.
Think you need to pay for a subscription.
Which is why I had to go back to a ‘legacy’ version of Volumio.
I could only get it working as ‘broadcasting’ from tidal on Mac or phone and the pi being picked up as a upnp renderer.
You can still do this with MOode.
Here is an example tonight where I have the tidal app on my iPhone and configured MOode to receive a ‘broadcast’ to MOode (which is an identical set up to yours)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191108/bf8013c698d01e4a813148e91536b95a.pnghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191108/763936bc26143ce2d81672701f03a3b6.pnghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191108/0686a74246e2547f61c3e2d8fec08df2.pnghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191108/c66bd68b1cc2316985bf2a73cf8eaadd.pnghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191108/89930c585e8c834ae2147f886ff7df86.png


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[SteveW]

Wrong order... but you get the idea


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[Crackles]

I've got the internet radio working now [emoji4]. I've now downloaded Volumio so will reflash the card with Volumio tomorrow then have another go.

As you say, it was just about getting it working for now.

Cheers Oli (and everyone else).

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[SteveW]

Ahh.. brilliant.
The more you play around the easier it gets to understand.
One tip- if settings don’t seem to be working after using the configuration process , find the reboot button.


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[Bigman80]

Woo hoo!!!!

[Crackles]

Ok I've followed Steve's instructions and I have got Tidal working via Moode [emoji16]. I have to access it through BubbleUPnp which is a bit convoluted but at least it works.

I may have a go at getting it working more directly now that I understand it better.

Thanks for all your help and patience chaps, it's really appreciated [emoji106].



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[SteveW]

Great news John.
Kind of high fivingly joyous when it works!

I have the same kit as you, and would say that the linear power supplies and allo dac propel this to a high level.
I actually have 3 pi set ups round the house. The main one with MOode and another two with Volumio.
Never managed to get Volumio pushing out Tidal on its own. Didn’t try too hard though.
That was because I put Audirvava on a cheapo Mac mini and leave it on pretty much headless all the time.
Then using the Audirvana app on my phone I can sent Tidal through each pi set up as I wish.
Then you get the advantage of mqa playback.. and it’s very very good.

Good luck and well done for perseverance!


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[Pepperamip]

Audirvana might be worth considering too if you don't get on with Bubble and you don't want to pay a Volumio subscription.

Audirvana also unfolds mqa files if your dac doesn't which I don't think the boss does.

Its about £65 but it's a well made software package.


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[Bigman80]

Audirvana might be worth considering too if you don't get on with Bubble and you don't want to pay a Volumio subscription.

Audirvana also unfolds mqa files if your dac doesn't which I don't think the boss does.

Its about £65 but it's a well made software package.


Sent from my CLT-L09 using TapatalkNot available on windows last I looked.

I use Jriver.

[SteveW]

https://audirvana.com/windows/

[struth]

Not available on windows last I looked.

I use Jriver.

yes audirvana is on wondows as well as mac(I use it). its same program version now for both afaik. You would need an older legacy version of Volumio tho to get it to work.

[Bigman80]

yes audirvana is on wondows as well as mac(I use it). its same program version now for both afaik. You would need an older legacy version of Volumio tho to get it to work.It's only w10 isn't it?

I'm on W8

[SteveW]

yes audirvana is on wondows as well as mac(I use it). its same program version now for both afaik. You would need an older legacy version of Volumio tho to get it to work.

Well put Grant.
That’s how I ended up with MOode which Audirvana picks up no problem.
Also, The software makes Tidal sound rather wonderful


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[SteveW]

It's only w10 isn't it?

I'm on W8

Ahh.. could be!

[struth]

It's only w10 isn't it?

I'm on W8

not sure, but certainly needs 64 bit.

[Bigman80]

not sure, but certainly needs 64 bit.Ye, just had a goosey. It's only W10.

[struth]

Ye, just had a goosey. It's only W10.

may be, but 64 bit is a must. i've 3 win 10, 32 bit laptops that it wont install on.

[Bigman80]

may be, but 64 bit is a must. i've 3 win 10, 32 bit laptops that it wont install on.I'm happy with Jriver tbf. Just interested really.

[struth]

I'm happy with Jriver tbf. Just interested really.

i use jriver more than av tbh. its more flexible with headphones etc. also with room placements etc, but in main systen av has the edge on sound, although not by much these days. new version of jriver will be out in dec i think.

[Bigman80]

i use jriver more than av tbh. its more flexible with headphones etc. also with room placements etc, but in main systen av has the edge on sound, although not by much these days. new version of jriver will be out in dec i think.I'm still using an old version I got for free. I may invest in the new one as I think I would like to have an "official" piece of software.

[struth]

its come a long way.. i prepay and get a decent discount for all new builds, partly to get any new ideas, but mostly to support the company as the software gives me a lot of fun

[Bigman80]

its come a long way.. i prepay and get a decent discount for all new builds, partly to get any new ideas, but mostly to support the company as the software gives me a lot of funI've never been a big fan of paying for software. I'm like that lol.

[Pepperamip]

AV on a mac is excellent . Almost feels like you are using Tidal natively (well to me it does)

Well worth the money.



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[Crackles]

Can J River or AV be used on an android device or is it pc only?

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[struth]

you can use both on android or apple as a remote for the pc app. but not as a standalone program. both work well

[Edward]

I used Jriver for years but stopped updating due to the completely silly attitude of their management refusing to incorporate Tidal. You almost get banned from their forums if you mention Tidal.

All because they got burnt by Neil Young and his Pano thing.

JRiver must have lost far more from people going over to Roon than the development costs of incorporating Tidal. Very short sighted - imo.

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[struth]

probably. not alas unusual for this to happen. audirvana is similar it seems, or just incompetent. wouldnt let me join forum, maybe because i complained:lol:
would like roon but too pricy at moment