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Audio Al
16-10-2019, 04:26
Hi people , Due to the arrival of my new Transcription Audio pre power combo and how masive they are I will be making a new hifi rack for them to live on rent free at Audio Al establishment :)

If anyone is intrested I can do a work in progress with photos of the construction ?

Member ideas would be most welcome as the project develops

I shall be using re cycled timber ( Iroko ) re claimed from a frend who works for a skip hire co , I had a call from him the other day saying " Al you got any use for some 4x2 Iroko timber , My reply was does the pope Oh hold on best not go there :lol: , A customer had taken down a conservatory and these were the roof beams :D

Let me know if I need to charge the Kodak box brownie battery ;)

yolakim
16-10-2019, 07:00
Would be very interested to see your work as it progresses. I have aspirations for my own build (though have nothing the size of your new tenants to accommodate) but havenít developed any firm ideas yet, so would be keen to see how you get on!


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glaringanomaly
16-10-2019, 07:07
I'll be watching as I need to come up with something - up to about 6 feet wide, thinking reclaimed school science benches, and possibly supported with large diameter threaded bar - although not sure on the WAF for that.

e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reclaimed-Iroko-School-Science-Lab-Worktops-Tables-Kitchen/254382450711

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 08:58
I'll be watching as I need to come up with something - up to about 6 feet wide, thinking reclaimed school science benches, and possibly supported with large diameter threaded bar - although not sure on the WAF for that.

e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reclaimed-Iroko-School-Science-Lab-Worktops-Tables-Kitchen/254382450711

Blimey £100 each :eek:

struth
16-10-2019, 09:02
Some of the Ikea stuff works well with hifi. can usually be adapted fairly well too.. Im using an old unit that I adapted.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191016/c58ff75bdabf21b7e2bbafddd4ed9f6d.jpg

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 09:13
I find it all a bit lightweight and floppy , Remember the weight is 65kgs just for the pre / power combo + about the same again for the 1200G and Pro-Ject PRM 10.1 TT's or maybe a bit more :scratch:

struth
16-10-2019, 09:15
mine is pretty rigid :eyebrows:. i could stand on it im sure if i could get up lol. certainly sat on it

Haselsh1
16-10-2019, 09:20
Brilliant idea. Too many items around today that look like everything else and cost way too much. Would love to see some bespoke designs out there looking different at a price that is sensible.

Here's hoping that you get what you visualise.

DiveDeepDog
16-10-2019, 09:25
Iroko's nasty, if you're cutting, sanding or machining don't skimp on suitable PPE :eek:

Thumbs up for recycling .

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 09:56
mine is pretty rigid :eyebrows:. i could stand on it im sure if i could get up lol. certainly sat on it

Grant we are talking hifi racks here :)

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 10:01
Iroko's nasty, if you're cutting, sanding or machining don't skimp on suitable PPE :eek:

Thumbs up for recycling .


Thanks Mark
I am ok in that depertment as I use one of these
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SR-500-570-Air-Purifying-Respirator-by-Sundstrom/333325724012?hash=item4d9bc2e96c:g:ONEAAOSwrNhdd~n b

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 16:09
Some early progress today in between the rain showers :rolleyes:

This is the free re cycled timber
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48908736698_b3ccc8247c_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hvU4t1)IMG_3851 (https://flic.kr/p/2hvU4t1) by [/url], on Flickr

And the tool used to cut it up :) Wanted one of these for years and eventually one turned up on ebay new but water damaged :( This is a demo of the saw on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cSJ6Bo4EIc (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150639903@N08/)

The only thing that was water damaged was the box everything inside was perfect , Out boss :youtheman: was very helpful with the collecting of this :D Managed to buy a used mobile base from Kent off ebay again at a good price :eyebrows:

My world is used and secod hand as I can't afford all this stuff new , same goes with hifi boats tools cameras etc

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48909268291_de3d493017_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hvWMup)IMG_3852 (https://flic.kr/p/2hvWMup) by , on Flickr

So far cut the front and rear cross beams 4 ft long ( forgot to take a photo of these :doh: ) and 16 corner wedges

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48908736778_2ac74bc31a_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150639903@N08/)IMG_3853 (https://flic.kr/p/2hvU4uo) by , on Flickr
that will be glued and screwd in all the corner joints

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48908736678_818006396b_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150639903@N08/)IMG_3855 (https://flic.kr/p/2hvU4sE) by , on Flickr

Lots of measuring marking and cutting done and still to do
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48909473542_cedba9efcc_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150639903@N08/)IMG_3854 (https://flic.kr/p/2hvXQvd) by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150639903@N08/], on Flickr

More progress as and when time and weather allow :)

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 16:11
Once everything is assembled and sanded I will fill the existing holes with wood filler

struth
16-10-2019, 16:13
nice big saw... nice cuts it makes

ReggieB
16-10-2019, 16:14
For me, a key consideration for a rack is how you get around the back to plug stuff in and out. The solution for my rack was adding casters. If you're building a big rack - how you'll maintain you kit on it is worth considering - not just how it will finally look.

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 16:23
For me, a key consideration for a rack is how you get around the back to plug stuff in and out. The solution for my rack was adding casters. If you're building a big rack - how you'll maintain you kit on it is worth considering - not just how it will finally look.

Hi Rob

I have a few fixed and swivelling 4" casters that I intend to use as I fully agree that access to the rear is important
( Ooo er Mrs :eyebrows: ) and rolling the rack in and out makes life so easy :)

ReggieB
16-10-2019, 17:12
Excellent. I'll look forward to seeing how this develops.

Stryder5
16-10-2019, 17:25
Once everything is assembled and sanded I will fill the existing holes with wood filler


If you mix the sawdust you've made with say PVA glue, the colour of the filler will be a match.

Gary

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 17:33
If you mix the sawdust you've made with say PVA glue, the colour of the filler will be a match.

Gary

Good suggestion Gary , I do this with woodturning , dust and CA glue

Hibster_2000
16-10-2019, 17:35
I quite like the idea of making a rack similar in style to the HiFi Racks stuff, but I am not sure my skills are up to it.

Audio Al
16-10-2019, 17:42
I'm only a DIY er no skills , I just bluff my way through :D

Pigmy Pony
16-10-2019, 17:57
Most "professionals" are just the same, they've just been winging it for longer :D

JohnG
17-10-2019, 08:48
Chris,
If you intend on producing a HiFi Rack similar to the Mapleshade Design, I had collected a batch of Nuts and Washers for 30mm Threaded Bar.
If these are of interest, I can have a count up and if it the quantity suits meet you at M1 J30 Macdonalds on Sunday Morning, I'm sure a detour on route to the Sheffield Event will work out OK.
PM Me for further info.

Audio Al
17-10-2019, 11:51
Can't see much being done today as its raining on and off :(

Audio Al
17-10-2019, 13:05
Now its Pi--ing down :rolleyes:

Audio Al
17-10-2019, 16:53
It stopped raining at about 4.45 has now dried up a bit , and is now getting dark :( , Write off for today ,

I am still mulling and planing in my bonce , PLENTY of room in there :D

Audio Al
18-10-2019, 07:05
Todays forecast is dull dreary and wet :( Boo !

glaringanomaly
18-10-2019, 14:04
Chris,
If you intend on producing a HiFi Rack similar to the Mapleshade Design, I had collected a batch of Nuts and Washers for 30mm Threaded Bar.
If these are of interest, I can have a count up and if it the quantity suits meet you at M1 J30 Macdonalds on Sunday Morning, I'm sure a detour on route to the Sheffield Event will work out OK.
PM Me for further info.

John - tried to PM but I think you're full up.

JohnG
18-10-2019, 15:26
Hi Chris
We are good to go, I've deleted a few oldens from the store.

Audio Al
18-10-2019, 17:51
No progress today as the weather was very changeable , Rain , Sun Rain , Sun etc :(

Audio Al
19-10-2019, 14:23
Sky looks threatening , But what the hell , Lest go for it , Just as I step out the back door it starts Raining :doh:

AAAaaaaa rrrrrrr :steam:

Oh well time for some tunes then :)

Pigmy Pony
19-10-2019, 14:26
Sky looks threatening , But what the hell , Lest go for it , Just as I step out the back door it starts Raining :doh:

AAAaaaaa rrrrrrr :steam:

Oh well time for some tunes then :)

Time to stop buying boats and start buying sheds :)

Audio Al
19-10-2019, 14:34
Time to stop buying boats and start buying sheds :)

Err ! done that , Have 3 sheds and a garage full of stuff :doh:

AJSki2fly
19-10-2019, 14:42
Err ! done that , Have 3 sheds and a garage full of stuff :doh:

Dig out a tent and work under that :eyebrows::lol:

Pigmy Pony
19-10-2019, 14:42
Err ! done that , Have 3 sheds and a garage full of stuff :doh:

Six boats, three sheds, a garage, woodturning stuff, and a living room that resembles the New York skyline. You are Blokey McBloke from Blokington. Hope my envy isn't too obvious :(

Audio Al
19-10-2019, 14:47
Only 3 boats now :(,
Hardy fishing 20 with a 100hp Yam 4 stroke on the back :)
Meridian 25 yacht
Snapdragon 26 yacht

Audio Al
19-10-2019, 14:48
Dig out a tent and work under that :eyebrows::lol:

Now thats a thought , Can you pitch a tent on printed concrete ?

AJSki2fly
19-10-2019, 15:21
Now thats a thought , Can you pitch a tent on printed concrete ?

If you have a bolt gun that goes into concrete then you can tie the guide lines to them

Audio Al
19-10-2019, 15:25
If you have a bolt gun that goes into concrete then you can tie the guide lines to them

No bolt gun :(

Pigmy Pony
19-10-2019, 15:50
SDS hammer drill, 6.5mm SDS masonry bit, 7mm thunderbolts. You're welcome :)

Audio Al
19-10-2019, 16:00
I don't have a tent and would rather not F up my printed concrete ;)

montesquieu
19-10-2019, 16:56
Hifi racks don't have to be expensive, I got these made (three units) to my specification by a company called Funky Chunky Furniture, I provided the measurements, they did a proper computer-based plan, we adjusted, whole lot (three units) delivered for under £800 if I recall correctly. Great value. Not the last word in finish but they provide a range of stain colours from light to dark (it's all pine underneath I think). Very solid, robust stuff that won't rattle or resonate.

https://i.imgur.com/FjBTgXL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/piCGNMz.jpg

User211
19-10-2019, 18:01
That Allnic looks fabulous, Tom.

AJSki2fly
19-10-2019, 19:33
That Allnic looks fabulous, Tom.

Canít beat an Allnic, Iíve got one, superb.[emoji41]

glaringanomaly
20-10-2019, 16:35
Many thanks to JohnG for going out of his way to deliver a heavy load of M30 nuts this morning, they are monsters! :stalks:

Audio Al
23-10-2019, 17:10
Todays forcast was for rain , and yes it did :(

Tomorrow is much the same :( now I know how cricketers feel ;)

Audio Al
23-10-2019, 17:17
Tom , no doubt commercially made units for £800 is a bargain , However my aim is about £50 max using recycled materials

bumpy
23-10-2019, 19:48
Just for inspiration on these wet days, here is my Transcription Audio amp on Lack table

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Sherwood
23-10-2019, 19:53
Tom , no doubt commercially made units for £800 is a bargain , However my aim is about £50 max using recycled materials

Sorry, I may be in a minority here but I do not consider £800 quid a bargain for 3 pine shelving units :scratch:

That's equivalent to £250 per unit plus £50 for the middle shelf!

Barry
23-10-2019, 20:30
Hifi racks don't have to be expensive, I got these made (three units) to my specification by a company called Funky Chunky Furniture, I provided the measurements, they did a proper computer-based plan, we adjusted, whole lot (three units) delivered for under £800 if I recall correctly. Great value. Not the last word in finish but they provide a range of stain colours from light to dark (it's all pine underneath I think). Very solid, robust stuff that won't rattle or resonate.

https://i.imgur.com/FjBTgXL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/piCGNMz.jpg

I see that you too suffer from 'meandering rug syndrome'! :lol:

montesquieu
23-10-2019, 20:38
Sorry, I may be in a minority here but I do not consider £800 quid a bargain for 3 pine shelving units :scratch:

That's equivalent to £250 per unit plus £50 for the middle shelf!

Custom made to my specs, and delivered from the North East?

I was quoted £2.5k elsewhere for something rather more nicely finished and may well go down that route at some stage however I think these are a reasonable stop gap.

I guess it depends how much you are used to spending on furniture.

montesquieu
23-10-2019, 20:39
Sorry, I may be in a minority here but I do not consider £800 quid a bargain for 3 pine shelving units :scratch:

That's equivalent to £250 per unit plus £50 for the middle shelf!

Custom made to my specs, and delivered from the North East?

I was quoted £2.5k elsewhere for something rather more nicely finished and may well go down that route at some stage however I think these are a reasonable stop gap.

I guess it depends how much you are used to spending on furniture.


I see that you too suffer from 'meandering rug syndrome'! :lol:

Hey it's genuine Persian! But yes I do need to straighten it at some point.

RobbieGong
23-10-2019, 21:11
Custom made to my specs, and delivered from the North East?

I was quoted £2.5k elsewhere for something rather more nicely finished and may well go down that route at some stage however I think these are a reasonable stop gap.

I guess it depends how much you are used to spending on furniture.

True, good proper wood racks/furniture tends to cost unless of course you can find a way as well as have the time and real hand for doing a quality job yourself.

I recently had a tall bespoke rack done by HI-FI Racks Limited https://www.hifiracks.co.uk/collections/hi-fi-racks, solid oak, walnut stain finish.

It's been here weeks but I havnt even had the time to take it out of the box and put it together.

I think the £700 it's cost is to be expected. As you say Tom, it's furniture, quality, an enhancer to both the system and home (WAF factor and all that :D) and that's how I see it hence the spend... :)

Barry
23-10-2019, 21:15
Hey it's genuine Persian! But yes I do need to straighten it at some point.

So is mine, brought back after a visit to Iran. A second one is a Kashmiri hand-woven silk rug, also lugged back by me to England. Both suffer serious 'rug meander', made worse since I had a new carpet fitted - they have to be straighten nearly every day. It drives me potty!

montesquieu
23-10-2019, 21:26
So is mine, brought back after a visit to Iran. A second one is a Kashmiri hand-woven silk rug, also lugged back by me to England. Both suffer serious 'rug meander', made worse since I had a new carpet fitted - they have to be straighten nearly every day. It drives me potty!

Funny the runners in the hall are Kashmiri and I have a couple of others - wool-silk finely woven - lugged back from Egypt. And yes they seem to move by themselves!

Barry
23-10-2019, 21:28
My equipment platform / record storage unit, was 'made to measure' for me by my late father - you can't get much more bespoke than that. :)

montesquieu
23-10-2019, 21:34
My equipment platform / record storage unit, was 'made to measure' for me by my late father - you can't get much more bespoke than that. :)

Or more precious I'm sure.

Audio Al
24-10-2019, 00:59
My forcast for today , great for outside woodworking
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/rm10

Pepperamip
24-10-2019, 06:33
So will each level be 4 bits of mitred wood with a rectangular hole in the middle?

This will be rock solid once it's fixed together. Are you glueing as well as screwing / bolting? I suppose it depends if you want to be able to dismantle it again in future.

Sent from my CLT-L09 using Tapatalk

Audio Al
24-10-2019, 06:45
So will each level be 4 bits of mitred wood with a rectangular hole in the middle?

This will be rock solid once it's fixed together. Are you glueing as well as screwing / bolting? I suppose it depends if you want to be able to dismantle it again in future.

Sent from my CLT-L09 using Tapatalk

Not sure yet , I may try Festool domino joints glued and screwed , Or trenched lap joints glued and screwed , I wont need to take it apart

JohnG
24-10-2019, 12:03
Following the Second London Bomb Blast in the 90's
I was given a few slabs of removed 30mm Granite from a Prominent Buildings Facade in London.
This material was cut into shaped layers for a Monlith Plinth for a 401, which become a 9 Stone Beast, I lived in a Townhouse at the time, logistically it was a Nightmare.
I kept it until about three years ago when a friend finally coerced the sale of it from me.
I was very sore after loading it into the vehicle, with strained arm joints and chronic pain that lasted a few weeks. I reverse the car tight to the front door and I have a sack barrow now for the heavy items. This worked great for Exhibiting at Kegworth.
The remaining Material was shaped to produce Six Shelves for a HiFi Stand/Rack,
a Exotic Harwood was turned by a local Wood Turner/ Artist to produce the Pillars, and Ash was turned to produce the Shelve support rails.
These Racks are still with me today and are of as much importance in my set up as any other component, my system would feel incomplete without them.
Interestingly I am presently revisiting my HiFi Supporting methods and have very recently placed a heavy duty wall bracket set up above the original racks, and am using different types of materials for shelving and sub plinth materials to attenuate sources to my ear.
The original racks are now decoupled from direct contact with the floor, the decoupling consists of of two granite kerbs sitting on Rubber Footers, the Granite Kerbs have Sylomer Isolation Pads sat on top as Footers for a 1100mm x 700mm x 12mm Steel Plate that rests on the two granite kerbs.
The Original Racks are now sitting on the Steel Plate with Sylomer as Footers, but there is a little movement in the rack, so I will probably exchange the Sylomer for Delrin as the Delrin will offer a good solid damped footer.
Is any of the above required ??? who knows !!
Am I going to reverse anything to A/B the effects, definately not, that Steel Plate was a Killer, on the subject of Rugs and WAF, I'm gald the wife was out when i got the steel sheet into the hallway, as the rug was the perfect skid to drag the Steel Sheet on to the
HiFi room.
As for shelving and Sub Plinth Materials I have been offered a very good effect on attenuation and SQ while using compressed foams to the Likes of a Roofmate materials compression and ultimately Phonotherm/Puranit.
A Roofmate type compressed material is commonly available as a waste material from contruction and will be obtainable very cheaply and probably free if enquired about.
Stands/Racks are in my view, the vehicle to allow for the introduction of differing attenuation/damping materials as footers or Sub Plinths.
From my experience this additional exercise is more than worth investigation, and if I was to produce a rack again, I would allow a additional 50mm minimum spacing between shelving to accommadate a introduction of materials over time.
I am lead to believe Sylomer has very similar properties to Sorbothane, it has a more industrial purpose, so can easily deal with weight, most important is that the inherent material properties are not changing as does Sorbothane, so over time it will be offering the exact effects that were initially picked up on.

Audio Al
31-10-2019, 16:58
John , Looks like you have been on a adventure with the comments in the above post , Good luck , PS I might tell your wife next time I see her ;)

Audio Al
31-10-2019, 17:03
I have some rest day now and yes the bloody weather is against me yet again :(

Fridays https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/rm10
Saterdays https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/rm10

Doh :doh::steam:

JohnG
31-10-2019, 20:13
Darling wife tries ever so hard to support me in my HiFi endeavors,
she's left scratching her head at the madness I can attach to how a Album should be replayed.

I'm learning too, I now make sure that the doors into a room can remain on their hinges to be used as a opening/closing door, manually removing a door and putting it back in a opening is a chore, and then the dog jumps up it from the wrong side,and it falls over hitting a individual closest to it on a sofa, Baaad Dogggy.
Sofas are no longer back to back in the middle of a room, with a TV in a position so that if on either sofa, one has to look across their shoulder to view it .
The Window reveals are no longer stuffed full with rockwool sheets, that's a more recent change, I've still got withdrawal issues, I might have to put a little bit back, as well as the diffusing panels :mental:
I look at some of the systems in images on the forums, and I wonder if one day, I'll be able to produce such a marriage friendly set up.

Very soon the latest version of the HiFi Systems Racking will be complete.
Just the last Monolith to get through the front door and uproot the Hall Flooring as I drag it to the music room, a Granite Engineering Block, it was telehandler loaded onto a trailer and JCB Unloaded, I'll guess the Dim's for now, 1900mm x 350mm x 150mm,
all for the 845 Monoblocks to sit on, taking their prominent place in the room,
'because they're worth it'
I can then visit the Chiropractor, I hear the recommended one 'is good for the Craic'. :eek:

Floyddroid
01-11-2019, 06:17
I use Usher racks as they are bang on for larger componants. Check em out

Barry
01-11-2019, 21:54
Darling wife tries ever so hard to support me in my HiFi endeavors,
she's left scratching her head at the madness I can attach to how a Album should be replayed.

I'm learning too, I now make sure that the doors into a room can remain on their hinges to be used as a opening/closing door, manually removing a door and putting it back in a opening is a chore, and then the dog jumps up it from the wrong side,and it falls over hitting a individual closest to it on a sofa, Baaad Dogggy.
Sofas are no longer back to back in the middle of a room, with a TV in a position so that if on either sofa, one has to look across their shoulder to view it .
The Window reveals are no longer stuffed full with rockwool sheets, that's a more recent change, I've still got withdrawal issues, I might have to put a little bit back, as well as the diffusing panels :mental:
I look at some of the systems in images on the forums, and I wonder if one day, I'll be able to produce such a marriage friendly set up.

Very soon the latest version of the HiFi Systems Racking will be complete.
Just the last Monolith to get through the front door and uproot the Hall Flooring as I drag it to the music room, a Granite Engineering Block, it was telehandler loaded onto a trailer and JCB Unloaded, I'll guess the Dim's for now, 1900mm x 350mm x 150mm,
all for the 845 Monoblocks to sit on, taking their prominent place in the room,
'because they're worth it'
I can then visit the Chiropractor, I hear the recommended one 'is good for the Craic'. :eek:

Nice to see you are discovering the use of paragraphs. ;) Now I can read you posts, rather than the block of text which I used to ignore because it was difficult to read.

Audio Al
02-11-2019, 10:02
And it's chucking it down yet again :(

struth
02-11-2019, 10:04
gonna be like that here too, probably most places. Was sunny a short while ago but its dark again now

JohnG
02-11-2019, 14:15
I have viewed the Usher Racks and can clearly see the appeal of them.
Without a up close investigation of the Usher Racks, I can see the method of building this type of Rack is very achievable from a DIY perspective if the overall cost of a Branded Build is not to ones liking.

I am being a bit cheeky and sharing my thoughts on how a Usher Type Rack can be produced as a DIY Build, in this unrelated equipment rack thread.

I would use 8mm x 75mm x 75mm Aluminium Angle cut to approximately 1200mm in length.
I would then attach to the angle a Aluminium Base Plate with a Dimension of
65mm x 65mm x 15mm, the Base Plate will have the Side wall Drilled and tapped to receive 2 x 8mm threaded bolts on each face that connects to the Angle.
The bottom face of the Aluminium Base plate will be positioned approximately 8mm above the bottom of the Angle, this will leave a reasonable amount of overhang material from the Holes drilled in the Angle to match up with the Base Plate 8mm tapped holes.
This interface between the two materials is where the main stresses are to be received from the weight of the equipment loaded onto the rack.
I would clamp the Aluminium Base Plate to the Angle at the position to allow a 8mm overhang of material, and then pilot drill through the angle into the side wall of the base plate. This procedure will create the perfect hole centres between the two parts.
The Pilot holes in the Angle will not require a larger bore than 9mm, the closer the clearance to 8mm the better.
Aesthetically a Countersink Headed Bolt will finish flush in the Angle.

A Spiked foot, or Footer of choice, will be attached to the underside of the Aluminium Base Plate, the closer the Spiked foot is fastened to the corner of the Aluminium Base Plate/ Aluminium Angle Interface the better, as it will alleviate any unnecessary stresses from allowing too much of a cantilever force being applied to the spiked feet due to the incorrect positioning.
If the opposite diagonal corner is chosen as the attachment point for the footer, then as the rack is loaded with equipment the stresses applied to the attachment point of the footer will increase by a unwanted margin due to the cantilever effects.
Note when preparing for the Pilot Drilling, be mindful of where the Spiked foot will attach as any drilling for this will not want to encroach the space of the 8mm tapped holes in the side wall of the Base Plate.

The Shelving Supports could be achieved using the same method as the footer support,
to give the rack rigidity the Shelves will need to be a perfect fit to the inner dimensions between the angles inner faces.
The Shelve can be fastened with a through fixing into the Support Plate and also side face fixed through the wall of the Angle as seen on a Usher Design.
With a design that incorporates the Shelving to function as part of the stretch skin to offer a much improved structural rigidity, the Shelving material used will be of a limited choice, as it will need to be easily prepared for fastening, and also not perish under the application of a point loading at the fastening points.
Another point that can be considered is that if a shelve is to be mounted in this manner,
a isolation material could be used to separate the the Shelve from contacting the metal framing directly, a piece of Acetal sheet of 3-5mm thickness would serve as useful, and can be cut to be sandwiched between the Support Plate and Angles Sides, resulting in the Shelve not coming into contact with the metal structure of the rack.

If other equipment supporting materials are wished to be used, that will not be a acceptable material to have a point load applied at a fastening location, then this material can be used as a Sub Plinth.
Make allowances for such assemblies by increasing the dimensions between the spacing for the shelves.
The allowance of the extra spacing between the Shelves is a practice I can only encourage, as the use of various sub plinth materials and footers to separate the differing materials can attenuate a device to a very much improved performance, so to remove this opportunity to have a ease of implementation on a DIY build will be a lost opportunity.

Audio Al
03-11-2019, 10:42
:eek: NO droplets from the sky today ( yet ) fingers crossed I may get something done :)

JohnG
03-11-2019, 11:14
Go for it Al, 'you fair-weather HiFi Rack builder' :)

Audio Al
03-11-2019, 12:35
Having some lunch and the clouds are rolling in :( , Also suffering saw setup issues :scratch: :steam:

Audio Al
03-11-2019, 15:00
I kept looking at the clouds getting darker and darker thinking it's not going to rain

THEN :eek: ARRrrr it started raining , race to get everything put away , Electrics first

Will upload some photos later of the progress :)

Pigmy Pony
03-11-2019, 17:56
I kept looking at the clouds getting darker and darker thinking it's not going to rain

THEN :eek: ARRrrr it started raining , race to get everything put away , Electrics first

Will upload some photos later of the progress :)


The problem seems to be that you spend all your 'dry weather' time looking out the window wondering if it's going to rain, right up until it does :(

Get a gazebo ya tight bugger, about 20 quid from JTF :)

Audio Al
03-11-2019, 19:20
The problem seems to be that you spend all your 'dry weather' time looking out the window wondering if it's going to rain, right up until it does :(

Get a gazebo ya tight bugger, about 20 quid from JTF :)

No No No Sir :nono: I was outside working , looking at the clouds , Then PISSSSSSH

Re the gazebo , Next door have one it lasted about 2 weeks before the roof was shredded , Now they have a cheap woven plastic thing tied over the top and tied to the fence posts :doh:
Who is JTF :scratch:

Pigmy Pony
03-11-2019, 19:32
No No No Sir :nono: I was outside working , looking at the clouds , Then PISSSSSSH

Re the gazebo , Next door have one it lasted about 2 weeks before the roof was shredded , Now the hace a cheap woven plastic thing tied over the top and tied to the fence posts :doh:
Who is JTF :scratch:

JTF is the trading name for JT Frith, and sell allsorts quite cheaply, from cans of pop to hot tubs, with everything in between. Not that much cheaper than other places mind, after they add the VAT :( A bit like Makro I suppose. Take your point about the flimsiness - ok for vertical rain, but a bugger when windy, acts like a parachute.

Audio Al
03-11-2019, 19:54
Todays progrŤs

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Then down the garage to the Hammer bandsaw and compiete the lap joint
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The joints will be glued, squared, clamped and screwed with 5 screw in each joint
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Some photos look distorted , Thats the camera not the wood , Although the recycled timber is not perfect it has some damage and some lengths are twisted over the 8 foot lengths ( Bummer )
Didnt manage to get all the joints cut before the rain , still have a few to complete , I'm getting there :)

The problem with the saw is that each time I get it out for use on the Bosch stand the vertical is out of alignment , I then have to set it up again so the cuts are accurate :doh:

Audio Al
04-11-2019, 06:02
Just had a optimistic peek out the front door and its piss--g down

Will have a look out the back door , may be nicer :D

Audio Al
05-11-2019, 16:47
More progress today as for some strange reason its NOT raining ( Yet )

Made up a jig / holder for pre drilling the infill corner pieces
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I have now made all the individual piecs and almost run out of timder , These are the offcuts
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Will make another jig for the 5 screw holes to secure the lap joints together , Keep things as neat as possible :)

Audio Al
07-11-2019, 14:56
Bit more done today

Sanded all the corner infill / strengtheners on my small belt sander
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Jig , ( No Marco not a dancing jig , calm down lad :) )

This is for neatness to achive all securing screws in the same place rather than random positions :)
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Next up is a rather tedious job , sandin off all the old stain / varnish :( In a effort to keep my lungs clean I will do this on my sanding bench connected to my cyclone extractor plus wear my Sundstrom PPE hood filter and try and avoid the cough splutter of DUST :D
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The extractor is rathe big :eek:
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At it till 5.30 pm then off for dinner with daughter , :)

AJSki2fly
07-11-2019, 15:14
More progress today as for some strange reason its NOT raining ( Yet )

Made up a jig / holder for pre drilling the infill corner pieces
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I have now made all the individual piecs and almost run out of timder , These are the offcuts
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Will make another jig for the 5 screw holes to secure the lap joints together , Keep things as neat as possible :)

Looks like a pretty professional job to me Al.

Audio Al
07-11-2019, 16:36
Thanks Adrian

Time will tell when it is assembled :)

Half way through the boring sanding , More tomorrow :rolleyes:

Audio Al
08-11-2019, 19:58
Sanding now complete ( WooHoo ) At last :rolleyes:

Hole filling and pilot hole drilling next up , Then start assembling :)

Audio Al
09-11-2019, 17:06
Today I :-

Filled the holes with sawdust another tedious job then some superglue ( Thin ) and more sawdust on top
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Then Pilot the holes ready for assembley using the basic jig I made
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Front and rear frames now built .
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AJSki2fly
15-11-2019, 21:33
So whatís the progress?

Audio Al
15-11-2019, 22:03
Done a bit more but didnt bother with photos and progress reports as it seem not much interest or comments

Whe it's done I will do one more photo

Pigmy Pony
15-11-2019, 22:42
Done a bit more but didnt bother with photos and progress reports as it seem not much interest or comments

Whe it's done I will do one more photo

We'd comment more but your sheer talent and resourcefulness has left us speechless! Always admire anyone with the skills to make stuff, and the patience to do it properly :)

Pepperamip
21-11-2019, 07:35
We'd comment more but your sheer talent and resourcefulness has left us speechless! Always admire anyone with the skills to make stuff, and the patience to do it properly :)I agree. I've been enjoying this thread.

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RobbieGong
21-11-2019, 13:37
We'd comment more but your sheer talent and resourcefulness has left us speechless! Always admire anyone with the skills to make stuff, and the patience to do it properly :)

Indeed - ditto !! :thumbsup:

Barry
21-11-2019, 23:10
Indeed - ditto !! :thumbsup:

Yes, +1 from me as well.

AJSki2fly
22-11-2019, 06:02
Iíd forgotten about this thread as I thought Al had given up on his build, hopefully his enthusiasm will return and we will see some picture in the near future. [emoji3]


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JohnJo
28-11-2019, 13:05
Al, saw this and thought of you.

Bit of inspiration for your rack building :)

tCHHqzs9nXI

Audio Al
28-11-2019, 14:34
:eek:OK I concede , Out everythinged :(

Mind you it is rather neat :eyebrows:

AJSki2fly
28-11-2019, 14:56
I thought this thread had gone to sleep.:D

hornucopia
28-11-2019, 15:54
As Adrian knows, I use a 120 year old slab of wood from a huge victorian sideboard to rest my equipment on (hence giving my steel rack to him!)
That vid reminds me of once visiting a seller who had so much stuff he used a 'comparator' to switch from one thing to another

Barry
28-11-2019, 22:48
Al, saw this and thought of you.

Bit of inspiration for your rack building :)

tCHHqzs9nXI

Link doesn't work for me. Can you give the full title of the YT clip please?

Audio Al
28-11-2019, 22:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCHHqzs9nXI&feature=emb_title

Barry
28-11-2019, 23:04
Thanks Al.

I bet he doesn't have as much gear as you. ;)

Audio Al
29-11-2019, 03:57
Depends on what is not in that room ?

As shown , I only see three pairs of speaker = I win hands down :)

Quality on boxes = he wins

Cant see any R2R's ? or TT's

Quantity of boxes = I probably do win

Over the last 5 ish years the quality of my boxes has improved :)

He wins re cables , you can just see on the far left what looks like a national grid of wires :eek:

I'm content with my bits ;)

PS , Hope the spelling is ok for you Barry

Barry
30-11-2019, 01:29
There are several TTs behind the left-hand speaker. And I think there are 4 pairs of speakers: there is one small bookshelf speaker up on the left hand side. I assume it has a partner somewhere to the right.

antonio
07-12-2019, 11:09
Don't be sulking Al, let us know how you're getting on.

Audio Al
07-12-2019, 11:56
]Don't be sulking Al[/B], let us know how you're getting on.


:scratch: sulking ? who's sulking

I work for one of the big 4 supermarket's and this time of year is manic :eek:

13 / 14 hour shifts is the norm at the moment :rolleyes: resulting in very little time for anything else