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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7404117/pc-madness-on-university-campuses-is-a-load-of-clap-in-danger-of-becoming-the-new-normal/
I know it was published in The Sun and isn't 100% accurate according to the comments below from the Students Union but there is a basis of truth in it
https://inews.co.uk/news/clapping-ban-manchester-university-students-union-jazz-hands-506774
*Other deities, omnipotent entities and imaginary friends are available
Crackles
04-10-2019, 12:34
This has been going on for ages. There is footage of students doing jazz hands or clicking their fingers as an alternative to clapping. It started in American universities.
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AJSki2fly
04-10-2019, 12:47
Twaddle
What will happen when these idiots are in the real world and, scarier still, possibly running it?
Seems the way they go.. screw up the vast majorities pleasure to suit a small but vocal minority(who have bugger all else better to do)
Without wishing to get political, there's a danger that our next prime minister will be a lifelong supporter of such nonsense.
The real danger is that a culture has been created whereby anybody speaking out against this idealism automatically becomes some kind of fascist
Point of personal privilege ...
Think jazz hands are silly, watch below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ
Where do you draw the line on this inclusivity bullshit?
Suppose I'd like to be an Olympic marathon gold medal holder, should I be prevented from doing so just because I'm unfit and lazy?
Maybe I'd like to be a cardiac surgeon, am I being discriminated against because I don't have a medical degree?
Indeed, Im inclined to agree, obviously to a point. Im all for inclusion, but it shouldnt have to be at everyone elses exclusion.
https://youtu.be/sFBOQzSk14c
Spectral Morn
04-10-2019, 14:08
Where do you draw the line on this inclusivity bullshit?
Suppose I'd like to be an Olympic marathon gold medal holder, should I be prevented from doing so just because I'm unfit and lazy?
Maybe I'd like to be a cardiac surgeon, am I being discriminated against because I don't have a medical degree?
Inclusivity is not bull shit.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7404117/pc-madness-on-university-campuses-is-a-load-of-clap-in-danger-of-becoming-the-new-normal/
I know it was published in The Sun and isn't 100% accurate according to the comments below from the Students Union but there is a basis of truth in it
I know what I'd use 'hands' for.... Giving them a much needed, damned good slap!! Oh hang on, 'smacking' has already been banned....:doh:
Marco [has no time for OTT political correctness or oversensitive "snowflakes", who simply need to be told to MAN THE FUCK UP!]
The real danger is that a culture has been created whereby anybody speaking out against this idealism automatically becomes some kind of fascist
Yes they are not keen on freedom of speech and differing opinions. And because they think they are morally in the right that entitles them to do anything to supress you. Because you are morally wrong and therefore evil, anything is justified. Lie about you, smear you, and then of course the next step is violence.
I've just been reading 'The SS: A Warning From History' https://www.thefreelibrary.com/REVIEW%3a+The+SS%3a+A+Warning+from+History.-a0116589499 which explores how otherwise perfectly ordinary people can become monsters responsible for the deaths of millions.
And the answer is because they think they are doing good because they believe the people they are suppressing or murdering are enemies of mankind. The parallels are quite striking. Especially the hate. Hard to kill someone if you don't hate them. And if you contradict the politically correct that is what you get from them. Sheer hatred.
Yup, the type of poisonous mind-control, as outlined in the Sun article below, simply CANNOT be allowed to become the norm:
It is swallowing up more and more areas of public life, turning them into student-style zones in which certain ideas must never be expressed in case snowflakes feel offended.
...as aside from what others and I have already said, in reference to easily-offended "snowflakes", the above would set a VERY dangerous precedent, as far as us living in a free country goes!
Marco.
Inclusivity is not bull shit.
Maybe I worded that badly
Not ALL inclusivity is bullshit, however when it replaces common sense and trumps ability then it becomes bullshit
Firebottle
04-10-2019, 15:12
Someone needs to slap these snowflakes and tell them 'that's what you mother should have done when you were little'.
The real world is a tough place, get used to it!
For those who may be frothing at the mouth with overblown incandescent rage after reading the Sun's usual made up bullshit, it may be worth reading the other article linked to be Gaz in which the SU points out what is actually the case:
"The policy was proposed in order to encourage the use of British Sign Language (BSL) clapping during our democratic events to make those events more accessible and inclusive for all. We are not banning audible clapping – we understand that some people may be more comfortable to continue using it."
(emphasis added)
Now if this attempt by the Students Union to make their events more accessible to all their members still hits your 'indignant outrage' button then I would suggest the 'snowflake' epithet lies squarely with you - not them or their supporters.
I read both the articles linked to, and don't disagree with your above sentiments.
However, I stand by what I wrote in my previous post *in specific reference* to what I quoted from The Sun article. And it doesn't matter whether you think it was "bullshit" or not. Regardless, I see that attitude prevailing all around us every day - and how said "snowflakes" are seeking to gag the legitimate expression of anything they dislike or that makes them feel 'uncomfortable'. FUCK THAT! The PC brigade are getting WAY out of control.
We must protect our basic right to free speech/thinking in this country, without allowing mind control to be imposed upon us by the agenda-driven PC brigade.
The problem is that too many kids today aren't being taught some much needed 'tough love' by their parents [instead, continually having their every whim pandered to], and as a result are growing into oversensitive, spoiled little snowflakes, 'offended' by their own shadows, and who simply can't cope with the demands of the real world.
And *that* needs eradicating ASAP, or heaven help our society in future!!
Marco.
For those who may be frothing at the mouth with overblown incandescent rage after reading the Sun's usual made up bullshit, it may be worth reading the other article linked to be Gaz in which the SU points out what is actually the case:
"The policy was proposed in order to encourage the use of British Sign Language (BSL) clapping during our democratic events to make those events more accessible and inclusive for all. We are not banning audible clapping – we understand that some people may be more comfortable to continue using it."
(emphasis added)
Now if this attempt by the Students Union to make their events more accessible to all their members still hits your 'indignant outrage' button then I would suggest the 'snowflake' epithet lies squarely with you - not them or their supporters.
So they are suggesting that people who communicate using BSL either don't understand clapping, or are incapable of doing it?
Clapping does not exclude anybody with arms, it is internationally recognised and understood therefore the nice woolly idea is indeed PC nonsense.
I know what I'd use 'hands' for.... Giving them a much needed, damned good slap!! Oh hang on, 'smacking' has already been banned....:doh:
Marco [has no time for OTT political correctness or oversensitive "snowflakes", who simply need to be told to MAN THE FUCK UP!]
I beg your pardon?
How dare you say that?
"man the fuck up"?
Instead you should say "person the fuck up"
:lolsign:
Or gender-fluid the fuck up;)
Everyone needs a 'special label' these days....
Marco.
Yup
I recently had some training at work where I learned that if somebody is a total antisocial asshole as a result of his/her parents being antisocial assholes they have personality disorder which is a mental health condition so we must treat somebody behaving like a c**t as ill not bad.
Give everything a label with its own built in excuse
Indeed.... Don't start me on 'ADHD' - it seems to be an epidemic among kids now'!:doh:
Pre-2000s, such behaviour was generally associated with the effects of an underprivileged or difficult upbringing, and those unfortunately affected simply got on with things and learned how to deal with it, without needing to be labelled with a special condition - and my guess would be that most would've gone on to lead a normal life, without the need for all the nannying that happens now.
Marco.
Crackles
04-10-2019, 18:27
For those who may be frothing at the mouth with overblown incandescent rage after reading the Sun's usual made up bullshit, it may be worth reading the other article linked to be Gaz in which the SU points out what is actually the case:
"The policy was proposed in order to encourage the use of British Sign Language (BSL) clapping during our democratic events to make those events more accessible and inclusive for all. We are not banning audible clapping – we understand that some people may be more comfortable to continue using it."
(emphasis added)
Now if this attempt by the Students Union to make their events more accessible to all their members still hits your 'indignant outrage' button then I would suggest the 'snowflake' epithet lies squarely with you - not them or their supporters.This stuff is going on though. There are people jazzhanding in the video that Edward linked above.
See also this one for finger clicking to symbolise agreement because clapping is too triggering.
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Crackles
04-10-2019, 18:27
This stuff is going on though. There are people jazzhanding in the video that Edward linked above.
See also this one for finger clicking to symbolise agreement because clapping is too triggering.
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https://youtu.be/Pq8wvvyDuxg
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Sorry, John, you've lost me... What is "jazzhanding" [never heard of it], and what have the contents of that video got to do with the point you were making in your previous post?:scratch:
Marco.
Crackles
04-10-2019, 18:53
Sorry, John, you've lost me... What is "jazzhanding" [never heard of it], and what have the contents of that video got to do with the point you were making in your previous post?:scratch:
Marco.See my earlier post. Doing jazz hands and finger clicking are done as an alternative to clapping by some US students because clapping might trigger snowflakes with anxieties. So in that Chelsea Clinton video people are clicking their fingers in agreement with the girl harassing her. In Edwards video upthread look at some of the hand movements in the crowd.
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Indeed.... Don't start me on 'ADHD' - it seems to be an epidemic among kids now'!:doh:
Pre-2000s, such behaviour was generally associated with the effects of an underprivileged or difficult upbringing, and those unfortunately affected simply got on with things and learned how to deal with it, without needing to be labelled with a special condition - and my guess would be that most would've gone on to lead a normal life, without the need for all the nannying that happens now.
Marco.
Funnily one of my colleagues has recently been diagnosed with ADHD, he's 46 years old and holds a middle management position in a professional organisation.
For the previous 45 years of his life, prior to his diagnosis, he's been a fidgety fucker who can't sit still
The latter diagnosis has a certain descriptive elegance.
Marco.
Spectral Morn
04-10-2019, 19:09
:lolsign:
Or gender-fluid the fuck up;)
Everyone needs a 'special label' these days....
Marco.
Gender fluidity among some is a real thing and expression of identifying as both male, female, and can manifest male to female, or female to male. There are also those who don't feel either so are non binary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender
Those that are non binary or gender queer/fluid are part of the LGBTQ+ community and while these topics are complex and for some difficult to understand, they should be respected as being valid expressions of how people want to be, identify.
Pigmy Pony
04-10-2019, 19:09
Student: Doctor, I seem to have developed a nasty rash down there, and it smells a bit funny.
Doctor: You seem to have got yourself a dose of clap.
You can't say that any more, the correct term is "dose of jazz hands".
Sorry, at the moment there is no cure for that.
Can't you give me some antibiotics?
We're not allowed to prescribe them anymore, as apparently they unfairly exclude biotics. So when your dick falls off, you'll only have yourself to blame, as you started this nonsense.
See my earlier post. Doing jazz hands and finger clicking are done as an alternative to clapping by some US students because clapping might trigger snowflakes with anxieties. So in that Chelsea Clinton video people are clicking their fingers in agreement with the girl harassing her. In Edwards video upthread look at some of the hand movements in the crowd.
Thanks, I see what you mean now. However, I simply don't understand how clapping could 'trigger anxiety' in someone. That's quite abnormal. Where is the harm in clapping?:scratch:
Marco.
Gender fluidity among some is a real thing and expression of identifying as both male, female, and can manifest male to female, or female to male. There are also those who don't feel either so are non binary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender
Those that are non binary or gender queer/fluid are part of the LGBTQ+ community and while these topics are complex and for some difficult to understand, they should be respected as being valid expressions of how people want to be, identify.
There are two genders, male and female
That is an inescapable biological fact
Females have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome
Males have two X chromosomes
End of
Somebody may feel/choose/decide that their biological gender is wrong but that doesn't mean there are an infinite number of genders so let's not pretend there are
Gender fluidity among some is a real thing and expression of identifying as both male, female, and can manifest male to female, or female to male. There are also those who don't feel either so are non binary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binary_gender
Those that are non binary or gender queer/fluid are part of the LGBTQ+ community and while these topics are complex and for some difficult to understand, they should be respected as being valid expressions of how people want to be, identify.
Yes, but they can still be who they are, without needing some ridiculous label. People of such persuasions existed long before these fashionable labels were invented, and good luck to them. They didn't need them then, and they don't need them now, as labels don't define who you are. *Being* who you are is the important thing, not having a daft badge to identify it.
Marco.
Spectral Morn
04-10-2019, 19:21
There are two genders, male and female
That is an inescapable biological fact
Females have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome
Males have two X chromosomes
End of
Somebody may feel/choose/decide that their biological gender is wrong but that doesn't mean there are an infinite number of genders so let's not pretend there are
Exactly the response I expected from you.
Exactly the response I expected from you.
Yes, facts
Unless you can PROVE me wrong
Student: Doctor, I seem to have developed a nasty rash down there, and it smells a bit funny.
Doctor: You seem to have got yourself a dose of clap.
You can't say that any more, the correct term is "dose of jazz hands".
Sorry, at the moment there is no cure for that.
Can't you give me some antibiotics?
We're not allowed to prescribe them anymore, as apparently they unfairly exclude biotics. So when your dick falls off, you'll only have yourself to blame, as you started this nonsense.
:lolsign:
And it *is* a load of bloody nonsense!
Marco.
Spectral Morn
04-10-2019, 19:26
Yes, facts
No doubt you think trans people are fantasists and male to female are still male and female to male are still female.
Unless you can PROVE me wrong
Thought not
https://i.postimg.cc/nhGyPsyP/Screenshot-20191004-203424.jpg
Pigmy Pony
04-10-2019, 19:56
Yes, but they can still be who they are, without needing some ridiculous label. People of such persuasions existed long before these fashionable labels were invented, and good luck to them. They didn't need them then, and they don't need them now, as labels don't define who you are. *Being* who you are is the important thing, not having a daft badge to identify it.
Marco.
Being labelled as some obscure minority gender may be handy when jobhunting. That way, when you don't get the job there will be some PC liberal type more than willing to hold up your gender label as being the reason for you being discriminated against. I read on here recently that there are about 45 identifiable genders - God help those poor businesses who employ 44 employees or less :( They'll be getting some shit from somewhere.
Lawrence001
04-10-2019, 21:24
Being labelled as some obscure minority gender may be handy when jobhunting. That way, when you don't get the job there will be some PC liberal type more than willing to hold up your gender label as being the reason for you being discriminated against. I read on here recently that there are about 45 identifiable genders - God help those poor businesses who employ 44 employees or less :( They'll be getting some shit from somewhere.And for those in a tiny minority group they can look forward to a massive wage spiral as companies compete to hire them to get their numbers up. Won't matter what they do or how good they are.
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Crackles
04-10-2019, 21:24
No doubt you think trans people are fantasists and male to female are still male and female to male are still female.I would say more than 99% of the world's population think this. It's only a relatively tiny minority of westerners who believe that transgenderism isn't a mental disorder.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7404117/pc-madness-on-university-campuses-is-a-load-of-clap-in-danger-of-becoming-the-new-normal/
I know it was published in The Sun
And therefore need not be read, but should be put in the bin.
And therefore need not be read, but should be put in the bin.
I do love the way people assume something is automatically nonsense if it's in The Sun or Daily Mail, I'm pretty sure both reported on England winning the world Cup in 1966, The twin towers, Concord, the space shuttle, did none of those happen?
I do love the way people assume something is automatically nonsense if it's in The Sun or Daily Mail, I'm pretty sure both reported on England winning the world Cup in 1966, The twin towers, Concord, the space shuttle, did none of those happen?
I just mean you shouldn't read the Sun, especially in the context of its 'reporting' of Hillsborough. The same goes for the Daily Mail, which supported fascists in the 1930s and still supports them now. As for the 'story', who gives a toss? People do get het up over the most trivial things, but I guess it goes with reading shite newspapers that print stuff designed to wind up a certain demographic. Read a good book instead, there's thousands out there.
Pigmy Pony
04-10-2019, 21:59
Haven't read The Sun in years. Does it still have George and Lynne? Their stories were always believable.
I don't think I've ever read it. My parents used to buy the Daily Mirror, until it started competing with The Sun in printing pictures of scantily-clad young women. Then they switched to the Daily Express, which was weird, as it was and is a right-wing comic and they were both Labour supporters (my mother being somewhere to the left of Tony Benn).
Haven't read The Sun in years.
I haven't read a newspaper in years!
Marco.
Being labelled as some obscure minority gender may be handy when jobhunting. That way, when you don't get the job there will be some PC liberal type more than willing to hold up your gender label as being the reason for you being discriminated against. I read on here recently that there are about 45 identifiable genders - God help those poor businesses who employ 44 employees or less :( They'll be getting some shit from somewhere.
Do you think it's become trendy to claim to be some obscure minority gender, just to be different and seek attention? I feel the same about some vegans.
Marco.
walpurgis
04-10-2019, 22:47
And don't forget all the various religions too.
I'm thinking of becoming a Reformed Zoroastrian. It's a small following, but gaining pace. :)
There are two genders, male and female
That is an inescapable biological fact
Females have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome
Males have two X chromosomes
End of
Not really 'end of' at all - but it's understandable that you are confused ... many people still conflate sex and gender, so an easy mistake to make.
Even then, the assumed physiological factors that determine the biological sex of an individual are not as entirely clear cut as you so glibly assume.
But do carry on .......
Females have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome
Males have two X chromosomes
.... and I almost forgot:
"The XY sex-determination system is the sex-determination system found in humans, most other mammals, some insects (Drosophila), some snakes, and some plants (Ginkgo). In this system, the sex of an individual is determined by a pair of sex chromosomes. Females typically have two of the same kind of sex chromosome (XX), and are called the homogametic sex. Males typically have two different kinds of sex chromosomes (XY), and are called the heterogametic sex."
If you ain't got the Y - you ain't got the balls :rofl:
Pigmy Pony
05-10-2019, 05:39
.... and I almost forgot:
"The XY sex-determination system is the sex-determination system found in humans, most other mammals, some insects (Drosophila), some snakes, and some plants (Ginkgo). In this system, the sex of an individual is determined by a pair of sex chromosomes. Females typically have two of the same kind of sex chromosome (XX), and are called the homogametic sex. Males typically have two different kinds of sex chromosomes (XY), and are called the heterogametic sex."
If you ain't got the Y - you ain't got the balls :rofl:
I like this, I'm learning stuff here :) Shame I'll have forgotten most of it by tomorrow :(
So what about the term "hermaphrodite", and what's the deal with salamanders? Or should that be axolotls? Something else I used to know but have since forgotten.
Pigmy Pony
05-10-2019, 05:47
Forget about the axolotls, they are not relevant. I was thinking about something else
I just mean you shouldn't read the Sun, especially in the context of its 'reporting' of Hillsborough. The same goes for the Daily Mail, which supported fascists in the 1930s and still supports them now. As for the 'story', who gives a toss? People do get het up over the most trivial things, but I guess it goes with reading shite newspapers that print stuff designed to wind up a certain demographic. Read a good book instead, there's thousands out there.
Can you provide a bot more information? I occasionally read the Daily Mail when I'm visiting my mother and have nothing better to do. It mostly resembles a women's magazine. I've never read anything in it that 'supports fascists' so can you point to specific incidents? Also please identify the 'fascists' that are being supported. Mosely died some years ago btw.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it is not a shit newspaper, and I fully agree with you regarding The Sun. But this 'Supporting fascism' thing seems very much like the sixth-form twaddle you get (or used to get, maybe it has changed) on the PFM politics threads.
The mirror was more pro fascist than the mail.
Both did support it. No idea if they still do. Not read a paper for quarter of a century. Then it was usually the Glasgow herald
You don't understand, a fascist is, apparently, anybody who doesn't wholeheartedly support unlimited immigration, all of the crazy PC doctrines, and anything else the lefties say you must support,
walpurgis
05-10-2019, 08:17
Even though democracy does not exist under a fascist regime, as we supposedly have a democracy here, surely fascists have their democratic right to be fascists? Like it or not!
The mirror was more pro fascist than the mail.
Both did support it. No idea if they still do. Not read a paper for quarter of a century. Then it was usually the Glasgow herald
When I last bought newspapers, about 25 years ago now, it was the Daily Record, and that was only for the sports pages! Very much a 'back to front' newspaper reader:D
'Broadsheets' bored the pants off me, plus I couldn't be arsed with all the folding!
And I've never given the slightest tinker's cuss as to the political bias of any specific newspaper, or worse got all het up about 'left or right' shite - I'm just not 'wired' that way. I've always formed my opinions from real-life experiences and observing the world around me when I've travelled - and for very good reason, taken anything I read on the papers or watched on TV with a big pinch of salt!
Marco.
Even though democracy does not exist under a fascist regime, as we supposedly have a democracy here, surely fascists have their democratic right to be fascists? Like it or not!
No, absolutely not.
The PC brigade believe in democracy on the understanding that everybody sides with them, in the event of any democtratic process not going their way they start demonstrating and name calling, the EU referendum being a prime example
Their belief in freedom of speech is very similar, you are free to say anything they agree with, if you dare say anything to the contrary you are a fascist/racist/homophobe/sexiest.
See my earlier post. Doing jazz hands and finger clicking are done as an alternative to clapping by some US students because clapping might trigger snowflakes with anxieties. So in that Chelsea Clinton video people are clicking their fingers in agreement with the girl harassing her. In Edwards video upthread look at some of the hand movements in the crowd.
Thanks, I see what you mean now. However, I simply don't understand how clapping could 'trigger anxiety' in someone. That's quite abnormal. Where is the harm in clapping?:scratch:
Anyone..?? :popcorn:
Marco.
Anyone..?? :popcorn:
Marco.
if a thousand folk started jazz handing and finger clicking, i would probably get anxious myself.... ;)
walpurgis
05-10-2019, 08:59
I find clapping very scary, it brings on panic attacks and fainting. I have to be revived with smelling salts if anybody claps near me. :)
walpurgis
05-10-2019, 09:01
No, absolutely not.
The PC brigade believe in democracy on the understanding that everybody sides with them, in the event of any democtratic process not going their way they start demonstrating and name calling, the EU referendum being a prime example
Their belief in freedom of speech is very similar, you are free to say anything they agree with, if you dare say anything to the contrary you are a fascist/racist/homophobe/sexiest.
That makes sense. So Political Correctness is undemocratic and therefore is in itself Politically Incorrect.
I find clapping very scary, it brings on panic attacks and fainting. I have to be revived with smelling salts if anybody claps near me. :)
not keen on being near anyone with the clap:eek:
Anyone..?? :popcorn:
Marco.
I dunno. Some people are made anxious by loud noises, just as some people are scared of spiders, though spiders don't bother me at all. I don't think it's clapping per se that's the problem, so much as the combination of whooping, cheering, whistling and clapping. But I don't see any need to get het up about it.
The mirror was more pro fascist than the mail.
Both did support it. No idea if they still do. Not read a paper for quarter of a century. Then it was usually the Glasgow herald
The Mirror supported fascism when it and the Mail were owned by the Rothermere family (who still own the Mail newspapers). When Cecil King bought the Mirror, they began printing Churchill's anti-appeasement articles and became anti-fascist.
The Mirror supported fascism when it and the Mail were owned by the Rothermere family (who still own the Mail newspapers). When Cecil King bought the Mirror, they began printing Churchill's anti-appeasement articles and became anti-fascist.
Not according to Wikipedia which says The Daily Mirror only published one piece supporting the BUF which was a 'guest article' by Rothermere:
The BUF was protectionist, strongly anti-communist and nationalistic to the point of advocating authoritarianism.[citation needed] It claimed membership as high as 50,000, and had the Daily Mail and Daily Mirror among its earliest (though short-lived) supporters.[17][18][19] The Mirror piece was a guest article by Daily Mail owner Viscount Rothermere and an apparent one-off; despite these briefly warm words for the BUF, the paper was so vitriolic in its condemnation of European fascism that Nazi Germany added the paper's directors to a hit-list in the event of a successful Operation Sea Lion.[20
wouldnt believe everything on web etc... my dad said it was (mirror)in the day pro mosley, and ran a campaign to get folk to sign up.. he wouldnt use it for toilet paper lol
Not according to Wikipedia which says The Daily Mirror only published one piece supporting the BUF which was a 'guest article' by Rothermere:
The BUF was protectionist, strongly anti-communist and nationalistic to the point of advocating authoritarianism.[citation needed] It claimed membership as high as 50,000, and had the Daily Mail and Daily Mirror among its earliest (though short-lived) supporters.[17][18][19] The Mirror piece was a guest article by Daily Mail owner Viscount Rothermere and an apparent one-off; despite these briefly warm words for the BUF, the paper was so vitriolic in its condemnation of European fascism that Nazi Germany added the paper's directors to a hit-list in the event of a successful Operation Sea Lion.[20
I got my info from
https://spartacus-educational.com/Jmirror.htm
Hugh Cudlipp, a young journalist with socialist views later explained, was also recruited: "Roy Suffern evolved and ran the news pages... I ran the features. The leader writer, Richard Jennings, wrote his own editorials. Cassandra (William Connor) edited his own column and Philip Zec evolved his own cartoons, collaborating with Cassandra on the captions. If there was a master-mind, or even two master-minds, behind the operation it was not readily apparent to the guerrillas who were were aiming the hand grenades and holding up to the public to ransom." (39)
Zec's cartoons were an immediate success with the readers. Zec, who was Jewish, felt passionately about the need to defeat Adolf Hitler, a produced a series of powerful cartoons against the Nazi government. As his brother, Donald Zec, pointed out: "He presented Hitler, Goering, and others in the Nazi hierarchy as strutting buffoons. Replacing ridicule with venom, he often drew them in the form of snakes, vultures, toads, or monkeys. Not surprisingly, captured German documents listed Zec's name among those to be arrested immediately England had fallen." (40)
Richard Jennings, deeply influenced by the ideas of William Morris, wrote the editorials. Columnists in the newspaper were constantly inviting reader response and correspondence columns expanded to accommodate those anxious to obtain advice or to express political views. Philip Zec's cartoons became an important part in the way the newspaper developed a social conscience and during the late 1930s he became the "country's foremost and most notorious political cartoonist." (41)
In July 1938 Hugh Cudlipp and Cecil King visited Winston Churchill at his home in Kent when together they planned the attack on Neville Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement. The result was a series of articles by Churchill that appeared in the the Daily Mirror during the following month. In one article Churchill warned that the "unaccountable delay - whoever is to blame for it - in concluding an all-in alliance between Britain, France and Russia, increases the danger of a wrong decision by Herr Hitler." Cudlipp pointed out that it was the only newspaper that was pressing the Government for immediate action". (42)
I got my info from
https://spartacus-educational.com/Jmirror.htm
Hugh Cudlipp, a young journalist with socialist views later explained, was also recruited: "Roy Suffern evolved and ran the news pages... I ran the features. The leader writer, Richard Jennings, wrote his own editorials. Cassandra (William Connor) edited his own column and Philip Zec evolved his own cartoons, collaborating with Cassandra on the captions. If there was a master-mind, or even two master-minds, behind the operation it was not readily apparent to the guerrillas who were were aiming the hand grenades and holding up to the public to ransom." (39)
Zec's cartoons were an immediate success with the readers. Zec, who was Jewish, felt passionately about the need to defeat Adolf Hitler, a produced a series of powerful cartoons against the Nazi government. As his brother, Donald Zec, pointed out: "He presented Hitler, Goering, and others in the Nazi hierarchy as strutting buffoons. Replacing ridicule with venom, he often drew them in the form of snakes, vultures, toads, or monkeys. Not surprisingly, captured German documents listed Zec's name among those to be arrested immediately England had fallen." (40)
Richard Jennings, deeply influenced by the ideas of William Morris, wrote the editorials. Columnists in the newspaper were constantly inviting reader response and correspondence columns expanded to accommodate those anxious to obtain advice or to express political views. Philip Zec's cartoons became an important part in the way the newspaper developed a social conscience and during the late 1930s he became the "country's foremost and most notorious political cartoonist." (41)
In July 1938 Hugh Cudlipp and Cecil King visited Winston Churchill at his home in Kent when together they planned the attack on Neville Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement. The result was a series of articles by Churchill that appeared in the the Daily Mirror during the following month. In one article Churchill warned that the "unaccountable delay - whoever is to blame for it - in concluding an all-in alliance between Britain, France and Russia, increases the danger of a wrong decision by Herr Hitler." Cudlipp pointed out that it was the only newspaper that was pressing the Government for immediate action". (42)
That's quite a good read although it does support the Wikipedia claim (sadly the Wikipedia citations are not checkable):
Lord Rothermere still owned a significant number of shares in the Daily Mirror and had enough power to publish an article in praise of Oswald Mosley and the The British Union of Fascists (BUF) in January, 1934: "At this next vital election Britain's survival as a Great Power will depend on the existence of a well-organised Party of the Right, ready to take over responsibility for national affairs with the same directness of purpose and energy of method as Mussolini and Hitler have displayed.... That is why I say Hurrah for the Blackshirts! ... Hundreds of thousands of young British men and women would like to see their own country develop that spirit of patriotic pride and service which has transformed Germany and Italy. They cannot do better than seek out the nearest branch of the Blackshirts and make themselves acquainted with their aims and plans." (31)
some great advice for young people there lol.
I dunno. Some people are made anxious by loud noises, just as some people are scared of spiders, though spiders don't bother me at all. I don't think it's clapping per se that's the problem, so much as the combination of whooping, cheering, whistling and clapping. But I don't see any need to get het up about it.
Indeed, but not het up about that; het up about the gagging or suppression of perfectly normal human activities, because some do-gooding idiots have deemed it as 'upsetting'.to the grossly oversensitive. What next? Ban laughter, 'cos it's a bit loud, innit? Yeah, that'll go down well with the po-faced malcontents, making big issues over nothing, posing as 'do-gooders';)
The tossers behind this nonsense need a SLAP, not a clap.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
05-10-2019, 11:25
Indeed, but not het up about that; het up about the gagging or suppression of perfectly normal human activities, because some do-gooding idiots have deemed it as 'upsetting'.to the grossly oversensitive. What next? Ban laughter, 'cos it's a bit loud, innit? Yeah, that'll go down well with the po-faced malcontents, making big issues over nothing, posing as 'do-gooders';)
The tossers behind this nonsense need a SLAP, not a clap.
Marco.
Well I think they SHOULD ban laughter, as it unfairly excludes those with no sense of humour, which does make up the majority of these liberal do-gooders. Serious business this inclusiveness, no room for mirth and merriment.
Maybe I'm a bit odd but if had some affliction or condition that caused me to become distressed by loud, raucous crowds I'd avoid them. I wouldn't expect the majority to have to have to change their behaviour to accommodate me. Perhaps I need to learn to be more selfish?
If I went to live in a country where their customs and cultures were different to those I am used to I would respect them as I am the minority, I wouldn't dream of expecting them to change or even make allowances for my benefit. If I wasn't prepared to tolerate their ways I simply wouldn't go there
This guy hits the nail on the head
https://youtu.be/p9_bI789Gog
"What does this achieve? Who is this helping?"
Very good questions
Pigmy Pony
05-10-2019, 11:42
Maybe I'm a bit odd but if had some affliction or condition that caused me to become distressed by loud, raucous crowds I'd avoid them. I wouldn't expect the majority to have to have to change their behaviour to accommodate me. Perhaps I need to learn to be more selfish?
If I went to live in a country where their customs and cultures were different to those I am used to I would respect them as I am the minority, I wouldn't dream of expecting them to change or even make allowances for my benefit. If I wasn't prepared to tolerate their ways I simply wouldn't go there
+1 Gary, making complete sense as usual. I would applaud, but you never know who is listening.
Pigmy Pony
05-10-2019, 11:50
This guy hits the nail on the head
https://youtu.be/p9_bI789Gog
"What does this achieve? Who is this helping?"
Very good questions
Seen this before. Despite the sheer tonnage of cack to be found online, the voice of reason occasionally slips through. And long may it continue :respect:
I'm talking real Nazis, not Trump voters
:lol:
For me what's most concerning is, where is this leading us? Will this ever stop and if so, how?
What will the world be like in 50 years time when it is populated, almost entirely, by these fragile people who are unable to cope with anything slightly unpleasant?
Indeed, but not het up about that; het up about the gagging or suppression of perfectly normal human activities, because some do-gooding idiots have deemed it as 'upsetting'.to the grossly oversensitive. What next? Ban laughter, 'cos it's a bit loud, innit? Yeah, that'll go down well with the po-faced malcontents, making big issues over nothing, posing as 'do-gooders';)
The tossers behind this nonsense need a SLAP, not a clap.
Marco.. Ban Laughter ? Please don't give the females currently in parliament ideas !
walpurgis
05-10-2019, 12:32
And just when you think they've made their minds up about what they want to be.............
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740
Maybe I'm a bit odd but if had some affliction or condition that caused me to become distressed by loud, raucous crowds I'd avoid them. I wouldn't expect the majority to have to have to change their behaviour to accommodate me.
Graduation ceremonies didn't used to be loud or raucous. A little bit of polite applause was all I got 40-odd years ago. The whooping and whistling has crept in over the years, probably from the USA.
Indeed, but not het up about that; het up about the gagging or suppression of perfectly normal human activities, because some do-gooding idiots have deemed it as 'upsetting'.to the grossly oversensitive.
AFAIK it relates to graduation ceremonies at a few universities (not at Bristol, where people at my graduation were encouraged to make as much noise as they wanted), so those 'suppressed' or 'gagged' will a) be voluntary attendees and b) number a few thousand at most.
For me what's most concerning is, where is this leading us? Will this ever stop and if so, how?
What will the world be like in 50 years time when it is populated, almost entirely, by these fragile people who are unable to cope with anything slightly unpleasant?
One thing's for sure; if there's a molehill anywhere, the tabloids will make a mountain out of it.
One thing's for sure; if there's a molehill anywhere, the tabloids will make a mountain out of it.
Interesting choice of words, mountain and molehill.
Mountains being far larger, rather like the majority of the population who are having to change their words, actions and customs to cater for the minority, or molehills.
Contrary to what you may think this isn't only happening in tabloid headlines, it's in real life. Our Christmas tree at work was taken down in case it offended non Christians, yet perversely my employer provides prayer mats and has a prayer room set aside, complete with a diagram indicating the direction of Mecca. Care to rationalise that?
Maybe I'm a bit odd but if had some affliction or condition that caused me to become distressed by loud, raucous crowds I'd avoid them. I wouldn't expect the majority to have to have to change their behaviour to accommodate me. Perhaps I need to learn to be more selfish?
If I went to live in a country where their customs and cultures were different to those I am used to I would respect them as I am the minority, I wouldn't dream of expecting them to change or even make allowances for my benefit. If I wasn't prepared to tolerate their ways I simply wouldn't go there
Nail > head! And in that respect, I'm as "odd" as you. The keyword there, however, is "tolerate". 'Considerate', in the context of this discussion, is also another apt word - and neither are practised enough by people in today's selfish 'me first' world.
The harsh reality, however, is that if you're in the minority, then your interests will never be as well catered for as those in the majority - and that applies in ALL aspects of life. That's just how it is, and how it will *always* be. Fair? No, but fact, yes. If you're in the minority, you cannot realistically expect the majority to prioritise your needs over theirs.
If you want to change things, and give the minority, and those with special needs, more consideration and the appropriate recognition [and I'm all for that], then you do it by EDUCATING the majority about the needs of the minority, and raising awareness accordingly, NOT by forcing the majority to change their behaviour, by banning or limiting things, such as clapping, which have been part of human life almost since its inception.
Again, it comes down to a question of showing TOLERANCE towards and ACCEPTiING others who aren't the same as you - but that cuts both ways - so the minority simply have to ACCEPT that their needs will never be as well-catered for as those of the majority, just as much as the majority must learn to be more TOLERANT and CONSIDERATE towards the needs of the minority.
The PC brigade want to mould the world into their cosy notion of 'correctness', and force others to bend to their will, rather than simply accepting that life will never what THEY want it to be, and learning to embrace compromise. At the end of the day, we've all got to share the same planet, and if we're going to co-exist in some semblance of harmony, then ALL of us, the majority and the minority, have to learn to give and take.
Marco.
mightymonoped
05-10-2019, 13:56
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Crackles
05-10-2019, 14:17
Nail > head! And in that respect, I'm as "odd" as you. The keyword there, however, is "tolerate".
The harsh reality is that if you're in the minority, then your interests will never be as well catered for as those in the majority - and that applies in ALL aspects of life. That's just how it is, and how it will *always* be. Fair? No, but fact, yes.
If you want to change things, and give the minority, and those with special needs, more consideration and the appropriate recognition [and I'm all for that], then you do it by EDUCATING the majority about the needs of the minority, and raising awareness accordingly, NOT by forcing the majority to change their behaviour, by banning things, such as clapping, which have been part of human life almost since its inception.
Again, it comes down to a question of showing TOLERANCE towards and ACCEPTiING others who aren't the same as you - but that cuts both ways - so the minority simply have to ACCEPT that their needs will never be as well-catered for as those of the majority, just as much as the majority must learn to be more TOLERANT towards the needs of the minority.
The PC brigade want to mould the world into their cosy notion of 'correctness', and force others to bend to their will, rather than simply accepting that life will never what THEY want it to be, and learning to embrace compromise. At the end of the day, we've all got to share the same planet, and if we're going to co-exist in some semblance of harmony, then ALL of us, the majority and the minority, have to learn to give and take.
Marco.I have given up believing that the PC types actually want to do any good in the world. It is basically just an excuse for pampered people with no real problems to worry about to obtain a sense of purpose. It fulfils the need of the self-righteous to bully other people while feeling they have a legitimate reason for doing so.
That's why the goalposts keep shifting and their demands become ever more ridiculous. They always have to have something new to be indignant about.
Hundreds of years ago they would have been saving the world from the devil, now they're saving the world from racism and sexism.
A great example of how ridiculous out society is:
Saying 'coloured people' is these days seen as backward and racist and will usually be met with sneering disapproval by the progressive types.
But saying 'people of colour' is the go-to trendy way to refer to ethnic minorities (that Munchety BBC woman used the term to describe herself the other day). How long before the accepted terminology changes again?
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I believe that referring to somebody in a wheelchair as "in a wheelchair" is frowned upon, they are wheelchair users, apparently the latter doesn't define them.
I don't know how accurate this is but it certainly rings true in many respects
http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/history.htm
Crackles
05-10-2019, 15:03
Can you provide a bot more information? I occasionally read the Daily Mail when I'm visiting my mother and have nothing better to do. It mostly resembles a women's magazine. I've never read anything in it that 'supports fascists' so can you point to specific incidents? Also please identify the 'fascists' that are being supported. Mosely died some years ago btw.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it is not a shit newspaper, and I fully agree with you regarding The Sun. But this 'Supporting fascism' thing seems very much like the sixth-form twaddle you get (or used to get, maybe it has changed) on the PFM politics threads.
Very good point. It is infantile to suggest the Daily Mail still supports fascism. It was the paper that brought Steven Lawrence's killers to justice ffs.
Also agree about PFM. I sacked it off it was so full of sixth form silliness.
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Very good point. It is infantile to suggest the Daily Mail still supports fascism. It was the paper that brought Steven Lawrence's killers to justice ffs.
Also agree about PFM. I sacked it off it was so full of sixth form silliness.
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This is more like the fourth form (d&rfc).
Gender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
or to put it more simply (and to distinguish it from 'sex'):
"Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
(My emphasis)
Guys, let's not start denigrating other forums. pfm is pfm, and AoS is AoS. Everyone has their preferences, and both are long established and successful forums.
Marco.
Guys, let's not start denigrating other forums. pfm is pfm, and AoS is AoS. Everyone has their preferences, and both are long established and successful forums.
Marco.
I post on both THUS I WIN.
Pigmy Pony
05-10-2019, 16:58
In the interests of fair play I should state that other forums are available
I post on both THUS I WIN.
And your prize is a year's free subscription to the Daily Mail! Seig Heil!
And your prize is a year's free subscription to the Daily Mail! Seig Heil!
:lol:. With a copy of the currant bun thrown in.
In the interests of fair play I should state that other forums are available
I post on all of them! THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!!!
Pigmy Pony
06-10-2019, 09:47
I post on all of them! THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!!!
You trollop! I'm a one-forum man, me. How do you find enough to say for all of them? I struggle to come up with enough for one place, and most of that is cack :(
You trollop! I'm a one-forum man, me. How do you find enough to say for all of them? I struggle to come up with enough for one place, and most of that is cack :(
Writing is what I did for a living and is what I now do as a hobby/study thing. Writing loads of shit on forums actually helped me when writing my thesis, though the forums were at times a distraction from what I was supposed to be doing. I enjoy arguing the toss, and posting on a variety of forums gives me lots of things to argue about!
Interesting choice of words, mountain and molehill.
Mountains being far larger, rather like the majority of the population who are having to change their words, actions and customs to cater for the minority, or molehills.
Contrary to what you may think this isn't only happening in tabloid headlines, it's in real life. Our Christmas tree at work was taken down in case it offended non Christians, yet perversely my employer provides prayer mats and has a prayer room set aside, complete with a diagram indicating the direction of Mecca. Care to rationalise that?
I don't care to rationalise it. Your employer is clearly an idiot.
I don't care to rationalise it. Your employer is clearly an idiot.
Agreed
They employed me.
I enjoy arguing the toss...!
Really?:wowzer:
Can't say I've noticed.
Marco.
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