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The Black Adder
19-09-2019, 17:59
Hi all.

For those who didn't know. I recently bought a Trio L-07D and I would like a reasonable cart for it.

Not looking at mega money for the moment but something decent enough. Maybe a DL103, Ortofon Quintet, AT maybe?

Some info on the tonearm.

"Tonearm effective mass is rather high at 17g. and will therefore be better suited to medium (between 10-µ/mN and 20-µ/mN) and low (less than 10-µ/mN) compliance cartridges."

Any help with suggestions and cart experience would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Jo
Bigman80
19-09-2019, 18:15
Josie,

Get yourself an old Kontrapunkt b and send it to Killian Bakker for the "Vienna Treatment"

For under £1K, for the cartridge and the work, you will not find a better cartridge.

When I have the money, I will be giving my Kb the treatment.
The Black Adder
19-09-2019, 18:27
Thanks, Oli.

Sounds good... however I'm just looking for something cheaper at the moment. I want to experiment a bit.
scotty38
19-09-2019, 18:36
Is it a normal SME type headshell fitting? If so what about an SPU?
The Black Adder
19-09-2019, 18:38
Is it a normal SME type headshell fitting? If so what about an SPU?

It is an SME fitting, yes. But I don't think the arm could balance out a heavy cart like an SPU.
Bigman80
19-09-2019, 18:40
Thanks, Oli.

Sounds good... however I'm just looking for something cheaper at the moment. I want to experiment a bit.Cheaper? On that TT!!! Lol

Fair enough.
karma67
19-09-2019, 18:43
for cheap and cheerful and very good sound for the money and the tonearm mass id say give the denon a try
The Black Adder
19-09-2019, 18:43
Cheaper? On that TT!!! Lol

Fair enough.

Well, for the moment anyway.

Price and performance don't always go together hence wanting to experiment first.
scotty38
19-09-2019, 18:51
It is an SME fitting, yes. But I don't think the arm could balance out a heavy cart like an SPU.

Ah ok fair enough didn't look into it, just saw that you'd be ok with lowish compliance so made a leap of faith :-)

Just had a look at the web page that was posted:

Your choice of cartridge

To allow you to choose the ideal cartridge for your needs, the L-07D tonearm is designed with a sub-weight for use with any cartridge and headshell with a combined maximum weight of 34 grams, to a minimum of 10 grams.

Happy Days :-)
The Black Adder
19-09-2019, 19:01
Indeed.

Thing is, I've just come from an SPU on my other deck, so I'm looking to experiment. :)

But if all else fails, an SPU would be my cart of choice.
Barry
19-09-2019, 21:09
Your SPU weighs 31g, so lays within the counterbalance range of your arm.
struth
19-09-2019, 21:12
Depends more on tracking as you can only get 2g out of that arm without changing or doubling track weights
struth
19-09-2019, 21:17
At oc9. Mk3. Night cart for money
Barry
19-09-2019, 21:24
Depends more on tracking as you can only get 2g out of that arm without changing or doubling track weights

To increase the VTF, you use a stylus tracking force gauge and reduce the amount of counterbalance to provide the desired VTF.
struth
19-09-2019, 22:01
Yeah you can but is it ethical lol
Barry
19-09-2019, 22:07
Yes of course it is - and it lowers the moment of inertia, so lowering the effective mass and slightly raising the low frequency resonance.

It's used on the SME M series arms, and on other arms such as the Infinity 'Black Widow'.
topoxforddoc
19-09-2019, 22:40
Josie,

I have an ESCo rebuilt Denon 103 with their sapphire cantilever and paratrace tip upgrade. It's my spare; I have another 103C-1 with the same upgrade. The spare hasn't been used since coming back from Wyndham earlier this year - still in its jewel box. Definitely within your budget and cheaper than an SPU. Sounds great too :) PM me if you're interested.

Charlie
Clive197
19-09-2019, 22:40
At oc9. Mk3. Night cart for money

Good choice but why not try the new ATOC9X** series of 5 cartridges which have replaced the Mk3. Price starts at about £260 going up to £660. I’ve am now using the ATOC9XSH with the Shibata stylus costing £570 or maybe a bit less. Excellent cartridge.
DiveDeepDog
19-09-2019, 23:02
I've got a Shelter 501 ii, plays fine. Looks clean and straight with a loupe.

£350

Also AT OC5. Could do a deal for both?
Audio Al
20-09-2019, 03:29
Hi all.

For those who didn't know. I recently bought a Trio L-07D and I would like a reasonable cart for it.

Not looking at mega money for the moment but something decent enough. Maybe a DL103, Ortofon Quintet, AT maybe?

Some info on the tonearm.

"Tonearm effective mass is rather high at 17g. and will therefore be better suited to medium (between 10-µ/mN and 20-µ/mN) and low (less than 10-µ/mN) compliance cartridges."

Any help with suggestions and cart experience would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Jo

:D:lol::rfl:
AJSki2fly
20-09-2019, 05:47
Josie,

Not sure but this might be out your budget at present but it is a bargain IMO and it’s Compliance: • 10 µm/mN

Gwernaffield is selling a Soundsmith ZEPHR Mimc that is new, a great cartridge, and well worth buying

https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?65747-For-sale-sound-smith-zephyr-mimic-star-cartridge&highlight=ZEPHR
phonomac
20-09-2019, 05:52
The AT MC cartridges always seem to work well even in arms that theory says are a mismatch. I believe that AT have an amount of cantilever damping in their cartridges that broadens their working range.

I would pick the AT OC9ML/II over the MkIII - MicroLine stylus profile delivers good results.

I have an OC9ML/II here, brand new, still sealed in box - £320 + post. Bought as a spare while my Kontrapunkt was being reworked.
The Black Adder
20-09-2019, 08:55
Wow, thanks guys.

If you could give me a little time to do some research on those.

Open to PM's too if you have any more info about them.



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The Black Adder
20-09-2019, 08:56
Josie,

Not sure but this might be out your budget at present but it is a bargain IMO and it’s Compliance:• 10 µm/mN

Gwernaffield is selling a Soundsmith ZEPHR Mimc that is new, a great cartridge, and well worth buying

https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?65747-For-sale-sound-smith-zephyr-mimic-star-cartridge&highlight=ZEPHRIt looks beautiful... Although it's sadly out of my budget.

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jandl100
20-09-2019, 10:32
I bet some kind of Denon 103 would sing very sweetly in that arm!
AJSki2fly
20-09-2019, 10:46
It looks beautiful... Although it's sadly out of my budget.

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Shame, I think it would really do your Trio justice.

You might want to consider this it's highly recommended and from what I can see nothing against it at the price, https://www.henleyaudio.co.uk/products/Pick-IT-DS2 (https://www.henleyaudio.co.uk/products/Pick-IT-DS2) and its Compliance Dynamic/Lateral: 14µm / 14mN