END GAME?

[Firebottle]

''Really?'' I hear you cry, without spending mega money?

End game arrived in this package today -

https://i.imgur.com/fGxHUvR.jpg

[Audio Al]

Is it for a PC or Mac , will it beat fortnight :)

[Firebottle]

No definitely audio. It took 3 hours to assemble and wire up.

[The Black Adder]

A flux capacitor?

[Audio Al]

No definitely audio. It took 3 hours to assemble and wire up.

:scratch::hmm::idea: Strawberry pie the next iteration of raspberry pie :drool:

[Bigman80]

I know what it is. Its the end of a journey.

[Lawrence001]

Camp amp?

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[Firebottle]

A flux capacitor?

I wish Josie, think of the fun I could have with one.

Not camp amp but it is an amp.

[smangus]

Tacayon warp drive? :eek:

[Firebottle]

https://i.imgur.com/0XMKOmm.jpg

Unbelievable performance, vanishingly low distortion so the detail is incredible.

I know there are a few on AoS that use Neurochrome boards or modules, Simon and Mark come to mind, so I don't know why they don't bang on about them.

:D Pig in muck :D

[Bigman80]

https://i.imgur.com/0XMKOmm.jpg

Unbelievable performance, vanishingly low distortion so the detail is incredible.

I know there are a few on AoS that use Neurochrome boards or modules, Simon and Mark come to mind, so I don't know why they don't bang on about them.

:D Pig in muck :DAhem!

[Firebottle]

And Oli of course but he did have to go large with the mother ship, the 686 :eek:

[The Black Adder]

LOL.. looks mean. It should say Whopper on it... lol

Is it valve?
Does it eat peas?
Can we see it's innards?

[Bigman80]

And Oli of course but he did have to go large with the mother ship, the 686 :eek:Lmao, nothing like not getting a name drop Al lol

[Bigman80]

LOL.. looks mean. It should say Whopper on it... lol

Is it valve?
Does it eat peas?
Can we see it's innards?No Valves.

No, it's a carnivore.

Its the little brother to my 686 which is an end of the line amplifier.

[Ali Tait]

Did you buy that built Alan?

How much if you don’t mind me asking?

[Bigman80]

Did you buy that built Alan?

How much if you don’t mind me asking?https://www.neurochrome.com/modulus-286-kit/

Sent in kit form. An absolute bargain for performance that doesn't appear to be compromised anywhere.

[Ali Tait]

Ta.

[Barry]

So how much does it cost, and how does it perform into Quad 57s?

[Bigman80]

So how much does it cost, and how does it perform into Quad 57s?The price is on the link and I can tell you that it made me appreciate why Alan stuck with his 57s. To say I didn't get them before is an understatement

[Barry]

I can't see any price mentioned on the link you provided.

[Bigman80]

I can't see any price mentioned on the link you provided.You have to click the 'buy now' button

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190919/d19024a902b92c68e5056e3f937500f7.jpg

[Barry]

Thanks Oliver.

Assuming they are Canadian dollars, that's about £600. If US dollars it's £800. Does that include delivery?

[smangus]

Dont forget VAT / duty

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[Bigman80]

Thanks Oliver.

Assuming they are Canadian dollars, that's about £600. If US dollars it's £800. Does that include delivery?No no no, USD!

Delivery is about $150 but via DHL its very quick.

Plus Vat but no Duty as we have a trade deal with Canada, or at least untill October lol.

I paid £50 shy of £2k for my 686 and if I'm honest, it was worth every penny and probably more. Banned Member SQ2576374648273638 [emoji23] (Simon) put me on to these a back. He was spot on with what he said.

[Firebottle]

So how much does it cost, and how does it perform into Quad 57s?

Total cost with fees/exchange rate and delivery was about £1130.
Performance into 57's is absolutely exquisite, it's as if it is what they have been waiting for. Played quietly or played loud they bring back peter Walker's words with aplomb : 'A window into the performance'

This really is the end game power amplifier. :cool:

[Jimbo]

Look forward to getting round to you guys to hear these.:)

[YNWaN]

Simon and Mark come to mind, so I don't know why they don't bang on about them.

:D Pig in muck :D

Thar depends on which Simon and Mark you are thinking of?

[Barry]

Total cost with fees/exchange rate and delivery was about £1130.
Performance into 57's is absolutely exquisite, it's as if it is what they have been waiting for. Played quietly or played loud they bring back peter Walker's words with aplomb : 'A window into the performance'

This really is the end game power amplifier. :cool:

Thanks Alan,

That was the kind of reply I was hoping for.

I would be very interested to see some photos of the interior; so as to assess component quality and ease of construction. Any chance you could provide some?

Cheers
Barry

[Firebottle]

Component quality is very good, the 3 pcbs are surface mount plus leaded, one switching power supply and two identical amplifier pcbs.

The design cancels distortion and is power supply agnostic, so using a switching supply is no problem at all.
I'll try to post some internal pics but it won't be for a couple of days.

If you go onto the web site you can buy bare pcbs and build them with leaded components, then add a psu and case to your choice.
I just decided to select the kit so it was all provided.

[antonio]

Enjoy your new amp, would love to hear one.

[Jimbo]

End game until the next End game?

[Firebottle]

No James, I can't think it getting any better.
You really need to hear the system now.

[Jimbo]

No James, I can't think it getting any better.
You really need to hear the system now.

Only joking Alan, yes look forward to popping in sometime hopefully soon.:)

[Firebottle]

Thanks Alan,

That was the kind of reply I was hoping for.

I would be very interested to see some photos of the interior; so as to assess component quality and ease of construction. Any chance you could provide some?

Cheers
Barry

Finally got around to taking a couple of pictures.
These are the two amplifier modules at the bottom of the case:

https://i.imgur.com/XLODpSG.jpg


This is the switch mode psu on the 'mezzanine' chassis plate:

https://i.imgur.com/sIK8cby.jpg

[Bigman80]

Finally got around to taking a couple of pictures.
These are the two amplifier modules at the bottom of the case:

https://i.imgur.com/XLODpSG.jpg


This is the switch mode psu on the 'mezzanine' chassis plate:

https://i.imgur.com/sIK8cby.jpg

Saw this in the flesh the other day and my word its so small!!! It's absolutely the cutest amp I've seen. Just love it.

Ordered the Blank plated BTW.

[Bluebeat13]

The more powerful 686 boards appear to be cheaper than the 286 with greater distortion. Is this correct?

[Bigman80]

The more powerful 686 boards appear to be cheaper than the 286 with greater distortion. Is this correct?No, the 686 is more expensive and the difference in performance is about difference in THD.

686 > 240W (8Ω), 360W (4Ω) @ <0.0002% THD

286 > 65W (8Ω), 125W (4Ω) @ 0.0001% THD

Not sure I'd be concerned about that. Lol

[Firebottle]

So I have had the Neurochrome 286 for a number of weeks now and it continues to impress.

However things have taken a big leap forward with new speaker cables. Yes ....different wire :scratch:
For those that think cables make no difference go and read another thread. :D

I have been impressed with Gazjam's journey and have wondered how the uplifts have sounded when he has changed speaker cables to ones higher up the range. Fair play for pushing the boundaries at not inconsiderable expense.

Nirvahna arrived at the beginning of the week when I was lucky enough to trial 'The Dream' speaker cables, built by Bigman80 of this parish.
The overriding impression when I had to remove these leads and put back my previous leads was that the system was broken, in comparison flat and lifeless.
Once heard there was no way I could live without the performance so I have built my own pair of 'The Dream'.

Here comes the bit where you will be thinking 'he's over eulogising, how can a change of wire have that much effect?'
Honestly I am at a loss to explain it, I thought I was using good OCC copper before. It just goes to show that even at audio frequencies we don't actually know what is happening with the transmission of signals through wire.

I would suggest that you need a highly resolving system to hear the full benefit but now the Neurochrome 286 amp and the Quad 57's seem to be mated to an astonishing degree.

First impressions playing Hotel California on CD, such realism of the crowd and applause. Astounding punch and clarity across the board, the kick drum is so solid it makes your hairs stand on end.
Englishman in New York by Sting, again on CD, shows there is double tracking to the percussion, I've never heard that before.

Everything is clearer and more balanced with pinpoint imaging, whatever the source.

These cables won't find their way into many system due to the expense but I can't think of any other position in the chain to obtain such an uplift in performance for the same outlay.

:)

EDIT Is this review too understated? This cable is EPIC.

[YNWaN]

I’ve heard Neurochrome amps many times as two of my friends use them. I agree that they are extremely good - i’m Not sure I would describe them as ‘game changers’ though - perhaps that is the fault of the pre my friends are using, who knows.

[karma67]

So I have had the Neurochrome 286 for a number of weeks now and it continues to impress.

However things have taken a big leap forward with new speaker cables. Yes ....different wire :scratch:
For those that think cables make no difference go and read another thread. :D

I have been impressed with Gazjam's journey and have wondered how the uplifts have sounded when he has changed speaker cables to ones higher up the range. Fair play for pushing the boundaries at not inconsiderable expense.

Nirvahna arrived at the beginning of the week when I was lucky enough to trial 'The Dream' speaker cables, built by Bigman80 of this parish.
The overriding impression when I had to remove these leads and put back my previous leads was that the system was broken, in comparison flat and lifeless.
Once heard there was no way I could live without the performance so I have built my own pair of 'The Dream'.

Here comes the bit where you will be thinking 'he's over eulogising, how can a change of wire have that much effect?'
Honestly I am at a loss to explain it, I thought I was using good OCC copper before. It just goes to show that even at audio frequencies we don't actually know what is happening with the transmission of signals through wire.

I would suggest that you need a highly resolving system to hear the full benefit but now the Neurochrome 286 amp and the Quad 57's seem to be mated to an astonishing degree.

First impressions playing Hotel California on CD, such realism of the crowd and applause. Astounding punch and clarity across the board, the kick drum is so solid it makes your hairs stand on end.
Englishman in New York by Sting, again on CD, shows there is double tracking to the percussion, I've never heard that before.

Everything is clearer and more balanced with pinpoint imaging, whatever the source.

These cables won't find their way into many system due to the expense but I can't think of any other position in the chain to obtain such an uplift in performance for the same outlay.

:)

EDIT Is this review too understated? This cable is EPIC.

for clarity can you tell me what speaker cable you used prior to your review please.

[Firebottle]

2.5mm squared OCC ELECAUDIO FC125TC

[karma67]

thanks :cool:

[YNWaN]

2.5mm squared OCC ELECAUDIO FC125TC

You see, the first thing I would say there is that I wouldn’t personally recommend less than 4mm squared and would put that ahead of any other ‘special’ qualities a cable may possess.

[Bigman80]

You see, the first thing I would say there is that I wouldn’t personally recommend less than 4mm squared and would put that ahead of any other ‘special’ qualities a cable may possess.Why?

[Firebottle]

+1

Upping the CSA of an OFC cable is just increasing the number of crystal boundaries, what's needed is a reduction of same.

[Lawrence001]

EDIT ignore the below, later posts show that the cables are the same thickness. I was just assuming what someone said as a given, lesson learnt. Will leave anyway as a lesson against jumping to conclusions [emoji1]

That's a good point about the thickness, if we're going to compare like with like cables you should remove other obvious factors. You clearly can't account for everything, but guage is a simple one to discount.

Replacing a budget good quality thin cable with an expensive thick cable does leave one factor unaccounted for before you rush out and spend the cash. It would be a shame if you could have got 90% of the gain by just buying a thicker version of the budget good quality cable.

Would be interesting to hear if anyone has found a significant upgrade from just changing their cable to a thicker version, Van Damme hifi would be an obvious choice.

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[scotty38]

+1

Upping the CSA of an OFC cable is just increasing the number of crystal boundaries, what's needed is a reduction of same.

Thought folk were using OCC to eliminate this very thing anyway, so given OCC now what?

[beermaniac]

So I have had the Neurochrome 286 for a number of weeks now and it continues to impress.

However things have taken a big leap forward with new speaker cables. Yes ....different wire :scratch:
For those that think cables make no difference go and read another thread. :D

I have been impressed with Gazjam's journey and have wondered how the uplifts have sounded when he has changed speaker cables to ones higher up the range. Fair play for pushing the boundaries at not inconsiderable expense.

Nirvahna arrived at the beginning of the week when I was lucky enough to trial 'The Dream' speaker cables, built by Bigman80 of this parish.
The overriding impression when I had to remove these leads and put back my previous leads was that the system was broken, in comparison flat and lifeless.
Once heard there was no way I could live without the performance so I have built my own pair of 'The Dream'.

Here comes the bit where you will be thinking 'he's over eulogising, how can a change of wire have that much effect?'
Honestly I am at a loss to explain it, I thought I was using good OCC copper before. It just goes to show that even at audio frequencies we don't actually know what is happening with the transmission of signals through wire.

I would suggest that you need a highly resolving system to hear the full benefit but now the Neurochrome 286 amp and the Quad 57's seem to be mated to an astonishing degree.

First impressions playing Hotel California on CD, such realism of the crowd and applause. Astounding punch and clarity across the board, the kick drum is so solid it makes your hairs stand on end.
Englishman in New York by Sting, again on CD, shows there is double tracking to the percussion, I've never heard that before.

Everything is clearer and more balanced with pinpoint imaging, whatever the source.

These cables won't find their way into many system due to the expense but I can't think of any other position in the chain to obtain such an uplift in performance for the same outlay.

:)

EDIT Is this review too understated? This cable is EPIC.

Can i ask please, what is the new cable and how much?

Cheers


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[Firebottle]

Bigman80 has called this cable 'The Dream' and has produced a 4m pair for around £700.

This is very similar to the commercial Silver Dart speaker cable at £1900 for a 2.5m pair, but without the shield.

[Bigman80]

Bigman80 has called this cable 'The Dream' and has produced a 4m pair for around £700.

This is very similar to the commercial Silver Dart speaker cable at £1900 for a 2.5m pair, but without the shield.The dart is shielded with a copper braid, the Dream is not shielded with a copper braid.

[YNWaN]

+1

Upping the CSA of an OFC cable is just increasing the number of crystal boundaries, what's needed is a reduction of same.

Most ‘creative’! But the first time I’ve ever come across such an idea. I seem to have stepped on someone’s toes and now realise I should have written ‘2.5mm squared is all anyone could ever need and is ideal’! You boys should be writing spin for the forthcoming election. Hi-Fi Collective do 0.5mm solid core that has crystal boundaries in the single figures - by your reasoning you should be using that.

[Firebottle]

I wondered what response I would get to that :eyebrows:

I'll take the 'creative' though, probably doesn't hold much truth.
Have you a link to the Hi-Fi Collective cable.

[Hibster_2000]

Bigman80 has called this cable 'The Dream' and has produced a 4m pair for around £700.

This is very similar to the commercial Silver Dart speaker cable at £1900 for a 2.5m pair, but without the shield.

So based on the 1877 cable, at €30/m for a single core, I make it €240 of cable. Add plugs, heat shrink and solder.
That still leaves me with a “dream” percentage of a mark up. I am in the wrong business....

The commercial guys are having even more of a laugh.

[YNWaN]

As far as I’m concerned the bottom line is that you have upped the thickness of the cable and, surprise, surprise, the thicker cable sounds better - this is not a revelation - except on this thread apparently! Linn, Naim and many others have been selling 4mm squared as standard for many, many years (thirty or so).

[Bigman80]

So based on the 1877 cable, at €30/m for a single core, I make it €240 of cable. Add plugs, heat shrink and solder.
That still leaves me with a “dream” percentage of a mark up. I am in the wrong business....

The commercial guys are having even more of a laugh.I hope you are better at your day job than you are at maths?

For a 4m pair, you need

16m of single core cable at €472
2 sets of plugs at €50
10m of nylon braid for €28ish
Plus extras like postage to the new owner £20
Heatshrink £5
4mm braiding £10
Paracord £15
End pieces £15
Postage of all the parts to me,
Not forgetting the time it takes to make them.

I suggest people take a bit of time to think before being outraged at prices.

[Bigman80]

As far as I’m concerned the bottom line is that you have upped the thickness of the cable and, surprise, surprise, the thicker cable sounds better - this is not a revelation - except on this thread apparently! Linn, Naim and many others have been selling 4mm squared as standard for many, many years (thirty or so).Wasnt Alan's original cable 2.5mm too?

[Firebottle]

So based on the 1877 cable, at €30/m for a single core, I make it €240 of cable. Add plugs, heat shrink and solder.
That still leaves me with a “dream” percentage of a mark up. I am in the wrong business....

The commercial guys are having even more of a laugh.

Your maths is slightly out. You need 16 meters for a 4 meter pair, so that's 480 Euros (without postage), plus you missed the sleeving and boots.

I agree the commercial guys are taking the piss.

[beermaniac]

I hope you are better at your day job than you are at maths?

For a 4m pair, you need

16m of single core cable at €472
2 sets of plugs at €50
10m of nylon braid for €28ish
Plus extras like postage to the new owner £20
Heatshrink £5
4mm braiding £10
Paracord £15
End pieces £15
Postage of all the parts to me,
Not forgetting the time it takes to make them.

I suggest people take a bit of time to think before being outraged at prices.

Very interesting, first I’ve heard of Graphene being used- are you making any more of your ‘Dream’ cables- what would a 2m pair come in at? [emoji846]


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[Hibster_2000]

I hope you are better at your day job than you are at maths?

For a 4m pair, you need

16m of single core cable at €472
2 sets of plugs at €50
10m of nylon braid for €28ish
Plus extras like postage to the new owner £20
Heatshrink £5
4mm braiding £10
Paracord £15
End pieces £15
Postage of all the parts to me,
Not forgetting the time it takes to make them.

I suggest people take a bit of time to think before being outraged at prices.

You are quite correct.
My 4m “pair” would sound crap, because there would only be one cable, or no sound..... :doh:

[Bigman80]

Very interesting, first I’ve heard of Graphene being used- are you making any more of your ‘Dream’ cables- what would a 2m pair come in at? [emoji846]


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI'm happy to make whatever anyone requires.

Regardless of the shite being peddled in this thread, I NEVER over charge anyone and I look after everyone I can.

Drop me a PM with your requirements and I'll send you a price.

[Hibster_2000]

Still, it is bloody expensive stuff to take a gamble on.

[Bigman80]

You are quite correct.
My 4m “pair” would sound crap, because there would only be one cable, or no sound..... :doh:I never overcharge anyone and I can honestly say I will never get rich off the back of making cables.

I do loads of stuff for free when people are stuck and I try and help everyone I can. I have a flat rate I charge when I make anything and that's what I've always done. Same goes with my Spotfire stuff.

Sorry if my reply was somewhat robust.

[beermaniac]

I'm happy to make whatever anyone requires.

Regardless of the shite being peddled in this thread, I NEVER over charge anyone and I look after everyone I can.

Drop me a PM with your requirements and I'll send you a price.

Good man [emoji106] I will pm you!


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[Bigman80]

Still, it is bloody expensive stuff to take a gamble on.Yup, it is expensive and it is always a gamble when you try something new but the new owner of the cables I made was intrigued enough to gamble and in my opinion, its one that will pay off for him.

[Bigman80]

As far as I’m concerned the bottom line is that you have upped the thickness of the cable and, surprise, surprise, the thicker cable sounds better - this is not a revelation - except on this thread apparently! Linn, Naim and many others have been selling 4mm squared as standard for many, many years (thirty or so).So, have we upped the thickness of the cable or what?

The Dream are 2.5mm2

Alans previous cables are 2.5mm2

What am I missing?

First off, you wouldn't recommend a 2.5mm cable. I asked why...... no response.

Now we have magically upped the copper content between the first post and this one........but we quite clearly haven't.



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[Hibster_2000]

I never overcharge anyone and I can honestly say I will never get rich off the back of making cables.

I do loads of stuff for free when people are stuck and I try and help everyone I can. I have a flat rate I charge when I make anything and that's what I've always done. Same goes with my Spotfire stuff.

Sorry if my reply was somewhat robust.

I am also sorry for my crap maths, and jumping to conclusions.
I feel the reply was deserved.

[Lawrence001]

Have edited my post above about thicknesses, turned out someone else's assumption about them differing was false.

Good luck with the new cables Oliver [emoji16]

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[Bigman80]

Have edited my post above about thicknesses, turned out someone else's assumption about them differing was false.

Good luck with the new cables Oliver [emoji16]

Sent from my POT-LX1 using TapatalkHi Lawrence,

No problem but my life is easier when folks make their own lol.

Seems everytime we talk about a cable, every man and his dog want to talk it down, as though the benefits of its use cannot exist.

I sincerely don't mind if anyone wants to make their own and report back on their performance.

I like them, and I will be fitting a pair when I can to see if their sound changes after 100 hrs or so.

[Bigman80]

I am also sorry for my crap maths, and jumping to conclusions.
I feel the reply was deserved.No harm done.

[Lawrence001]

No problem but my life is easier when folks make their own lol.
What, assumptions or cables? [emoji23]

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[Bigman80]

What, assumptions or cables? [emoji23]

Sent from my POT-LX1 using TapatalkLmao,

Cables!!

[Bigman80]

Alan has kindly dome some measurements.

"First off some standard 2.5 mm sq figure 8 that's buried in the wall. Resistance 7.2 milliohm per meter. Capacitance 107p/meter.

Second the 2.5 mm sq OCC cable. Resistance 7.8 milliohm per meter. Capacitance 55p/meter.

Third the new Dream 2.63 mm sq OCC cable. Resistance 8.3 milliohm per meter. Capacitance 40p/meter.

Capacitance is conductor to conductor. All measurements done at 1KHz"

Thanks for this Alan.

I'm going to try and get some 4mm2 cable measured. Just for interest.

[JohnG]

I can see from the measurements why these cables with the lowest PF will have benefited the 57's, as they are reported on as being sensitive to cable capacitance and the lower the PF is a better interface.

I have picked up subtle differences when using OCC as a Interconnect, so this may be contributing as well to the perceived improvement on the performance as well.

I am slowly going over to all OCC as Interconnects, is a Graphene Coated OCC,
the Cable that will replace my Mapleshade Clearview Excalibur Digital Ribbon ?
will it replace my Mapleshade Clearview Double Helix Speaker Cable ? this one was put through thorough trials to get its place.
Is the Graphene coated Cable the new Cable on the Block ?
Can it bring the OCC Cable to another level ?
Will it as a treatment remove the need for cryogenic treated cables.

I recently chose a Zavfino 1877 Din Plug Phono Cable over all other cables at a DIN Plug Phono Cable Bake Off.
As the Zavfino carries the 1877 Affix, I am assuming with my new understanding that this is a Graphene Coated OCC Cable.

[Bigman80]

I can see from the measurements why these cables with the lowest PF will have benefited the 57's, as they are reported on as being sensitive to cable capacitance and the lower the PF is a better interface.

I have picked up subtle differences when using OCC as a Interconnect, so this may be contributing as well to the perceived improvement on the performance as well.

I am slowly going over to all OCC as Interconnects, is a Graphene Coated OCC,
the Cable that will replace my Mapleshade Clearview Excalibur Digital Ribbon ?
will it replace my Mapleshade Clearview Double Helix Speaker Cable ? this one was put through thorough trials to get its place.
Is the Graphene coated Cable the new Cable on the Block ?
Can it bring the OCC Cable to another level ?
Will it as a treatment remove the need for cryogenic treated cables.

I recently chose a Zavfino 1877 Din Plug Phono Cable over all other cables at a DIN Plug Phono Cable Bake Off.
As the Zavfino carries the 1877 Affix, I am assuming with my new understanding that this is a Graphene Coated OCC Cable.It is. Its also cryogenic treated

[Barry]

I can see from the measurements why these cables with the lowest PF will have benefited the 57's, as they are reported on as being sensitive to cable capacitance and the lower the PF is a better interface.

The Quad 57 speakers present a capacitance to the amplifier of around 2uF. An additional 500pF due to the speaker cable is hardly going to make a lot of difference.

[JohnG]

Well if Alan's 57's were not improved by the Cable Diameter changing by ?,
or by the change in PF measurement? or the OCC Wire?, or the Graphene Coating on the wire?,
or the cryogenic treatment?
Then it can only be Ollie's cable building skills and the 'Phenomena' that is the positive energy he imparts into the Cables he produces.
As he said, his charge is standard and not exclusive for that special service :lol:

[Barry]

I make the majority of all my cables, and have found that those assembled under the light of a full moon benefit the most.

[Bigman80]

Well if Alan's 57's were not improved by the Cable Diameter changing by ?,
or by the change in PF measurement? or the OCC Wire?, or the Graphene Coating on the wire?,
or the cryogenic treatment?
Then it can only be Ollie's cable building skills and the 'Phenomena' that is the positive energy he imparts into the Cables he produces.
As he said, his charge is standard and not exclusive for that special service [emoji38]Hahahaha, I love that. Unfortunately it's not my skills as I didn't build them lol.

Theres certainly been a direct correlation between conducter and dialectic in the comparisons I have done and when the opportunity to try the Graphene ones came up, it had to happen.

Copper purity will be a factor too.

In my opinion, the major contribution to the sound quality improvement will be the low capacitance and the pure UP-OCC conductors.

However that doesn't explain the sound difference in my system which whilst I chose my own cables as my favourite, they certainly sounded different to the Spotfire.

Personally, I felt the Dream has a bit more of a linear sound but the Spotfire had more drama and sounded a bit more timbral. Orchestral pieces had girth. Can't live without it.

I love that sound and didn't feel I was missing out, so it's unlikely I'd displace my cables.

However, I did feel the silver plated strands were noticeable, as I experienced it before with some Chord Stuff. Not intrusive but the HF had that silvery extension that you get with silver cables. It sounded very coherent with it, which isn't always the case.

Overall, I think the Dream speaker cables are stunningly absent in influence.

[JohnG]

I will accept the purity of the Wire as a explanation, as OCC Cable whether it be PCOCC or PUOCC, the differences only being the Country with the Licensed Factory, I believe Japan and Taiwan.
I have listened to OFC and Pure Silver in both DIY and Branded,
as well as OCC DIY and Branded Copper and Silver.
The OCC have captured my attention, and I can't deny that in the systems the OCC have been used, I lean toward the wire type as the most suitable in both metals.

[Bigman80]

I will accept the purity of the Wire as a explanation, as OCC Cable whether it be PCOCC or PUOCC, the differences only being the Country with the Licensed Factory, I believe Japan and Taiwan.
I have listened to OFC and Pure Silver in both DIY and Branded,
as well as OCC DIY and Branded Copper and Silver.
The OCC have captured my attention, and I can't deny that in the systems the OCC have been used, I lean toward the wire type as the most suitable in both metals.You should get yourself up here for a Listen John. Cable comparisons are kind of my thing!

Angus will be listening to this full UPOCC system (cable terms) on Thursday, and I am sure he will report back.

[JohnG]

I have it in mind Ollie, I have contected Barrington about a meet during the December Holidays.
I was going to bring a few goodies over to him to have a audition with.
He has been quiet on the Subject, we can divert the venue to your place if that suits.

[ianlenco]

I wish you guys would stop it - I've tried to forget my Neurochrome experience and now you are tempting me back :rolleyes:

[Bigman80]

I have it in mind Ollie, I have contected Barrington about a meet during the December Holidays.
I was going to bring a few goodies over to him to have a audition with.
He has been quiet on the Subject, we can divert the venue to your place if that suits.Unfortunately, December is the end of critical listening here, as the Christmas tree takes over for the month [emoji24]

I got away with it a little last year as the tree started to Die. However we have an artificial one this year. No escaping a full 31 days of it.

It will have to be sometime in January onwards.

[Bigman80]

I wish you guys would stop it - I've tried to forget my Neurochrome experience and now you are tempting me back :rolleyes:You can't have the Neurochrome preamp back now!!! Lol

I have to say, if you'd stuck a Khozmo relay attenuator in there, you would never have sold it.

Again, you are welcome to come and see what it's doing in my system.

Tom's doing a Buffer board which is really Interesting. He says it can be used as a preamp.

I will be getting one.

[YNWaN]

Ah, well you probably don’t want to hear about my friends experience with his Khozmo relay attenuator - three repairs is enough for anyone.

[Bigman80]

Ah, well you probably don’t want to hear about my friends experience with his Khozmo relay attenuator - three repairs is enough for anyone.Your friend's Is the one I bought and I knew all about it going back for repair.

Suppose you have something that's even better, or your system doesn't respond to changes in attenuator?

Any road, you haven't answered my question about the cable. I tagged you in, in hope you won't miss it?

[Light Dependant Resistor]

Glad you are generally finding improvements with one form of contact vs the next, as there is far more to passive attenuation than we first realise.

Moving further forward still, there are other forms that escape the use of contacts altogether to explore after that'.

[Lawrence001]

Glad you are generally finding improvements with one form of contact vs the next, as there is far more to passive attenuation than we first realise.

Moving further forward still, there are other forms that escape the use of contacts altogether to explore after that'.Really? You must tell us about them some time.

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[brian2957]

Unfortunately, December is the end of critical listening here, as the Christmas tree takes over for the month [emoji24]

I got away with it a little last year as the tree started to Die. However we have an artificial one this year. No escaping a full 31 days of it.

It will have to be sometime in January onwards.

Hah ! Same here . Christmas tree goes up 1st December and stays up for more than a month :(

Luckily I have my own listening space :)

[Bigman80]

Hah ! Same here . Christmas tree goes up 1st December and stays up for more than a month :(

Luckily I have my own listening space :)Lucky devil!

[Light Dependant Resistor]

Really? You must tell us about them some time.

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A picture, as they say, worth a thousand words., or with words https://lunainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Audio-level-Control.pdf

[Bigman80]

A picture, as they say, worth a thousand words., or with words https://lunainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Audio-level-Control.pdfI think you missed the sarcasm in that post from Lawrence.

I'm still waiting for the review from Marco and the review unit you offered to send months ago.

What do you think of the new kid in town on the LDR front?

https://sites.google.com/view/ldrpre/home

[Light Dependant Resistor]

I think you missed the sarcasm in that post from Lawrence.

I'm still waiting for the review from Marco and the review unit you offered to send months ago.

What do you think of the new kid in town on the LDR front?

https://sites.google.com/view/ldrpre/home

Luke ( audiojoy at PFM ) compared the link above to SC, and much preferred SC

All good things take time, Yes I am getting a updated board to Marco. next then is a built unit to Amir at Audio Science Review
a updated board to Rob, and can send you a review sample. could you send me casework with required XLR mounted, or will unbalanced be OK

[Bigman80]

Luke ( audiojoy at PFM ) compared the link above to SC, and much preferred SC

All good things take time, Yes I am getting a updated board to Marco. next then is a built unit to Amir at Audio Science Review
a updated board to Rob, and can send you a review sample. could you send me casework with required XLR mounted, or will unbalanced be OKUnbalanced isn't an issue.

[Hibster_2000]

Hah ! Same here . Christmas tree goes up 1st December and stays up for more than a month :(

Luckily I have my own listening space :)

I could not imagine a month without music!

[Bigman80]

I could not imagine a month without music!There will be music but it will not be possible to properly evaluate the system or do comparisons.

[JohnG]

If you go a bit Cold Turkey Olly from the HiFi Annual Shutdown, how about a,
Festive Mince Pie Bake Off.
Ollie's and Kids Home Produced vs the High Street Brands.
You could freeze a half tray of each box, to see if a Cryo :lol: genic Treatment has a improvement.
Or even double up on the portion size, that is another known method to improve on things.

[Bigman80]

If you go a bit Cold Turkey Olly from the HiFi Annual Shutdown, how about a,
Festive Mince Pie Bake Off.
Ollie's and Kids Home Produced vs the High Street Brands.
You could freeze a half tray of each box, to see if a Cryo [emoji38] genic Treatment has a improvement.
Or even double up on the portion size, that is another known method to improve on things.Hahahaha,

Double the filling!

I certainly wouldn't recommend any less than 4mm of filling. Cryogenically frozen for freshness.

[hornucopia]

I'd offer to join in, but my Mince Pies we sold in my Cafe (1981-2006) were voted best in Bristol, so.....I could judge?

[Bigman80]

I'd offer to join in, but my Mince Pies we sold in my Cafe (1981-2006) were voted best in Bristol, so.....I could judge?Best in Bristol?

I think we've found a winner!!!

[smangus]

I feel a large affinity with a mince pie bake off...

Can we add mulled wine into the mix? :D

[struth]

We talkin real mince pies, or those mincemeat xmas ones.
One of our local butchers won the World pie championship a few times.

[hornucopia]

As another variant, I'd suggest Mulled Norfolk Punch-to mulled wine, unless you're using good Rioja.