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walpurgis
21-08-2019, 09:37
I think that from mid October, panic buying will set in prior to the 31st deadline. Have you considered this? It will happen and people won't know what there is likely to be a shortage of, so they'll be grabbing everything.

I have already stocked up on basic essentials like toilet paper, dog food, frozen food, pasta, rice, tinned veg and so on.

There are one or two items I have yet to get, but none will go to waste, it'll just take longer to use up.

Fuel supplies could well be an issue, but I have that covered for a few months if I'm careful.

Time to get organised!

struth
21-08-2019, 09:48
guess ive a fair bit in cans and dried food, plus a freezer full of stuff so although it may not be nice i will likely survive. I am getting in bog paper tho, although Im told most of it, like Andrex is made in UK.
Sure america and far east will fill the void

Alex_UK
21-08-2019, 10:11
Haven't even considered it - to be honest, the panic buying will probably cause more problems than actual Brexit!

Better start making a list! :lol:

crimsondonkey
21-08-2019, 10:28
It would be much better if people didn't start stock piling stuff, esp medicines.

The Black Adder
21-08-2019, 10:59
It's such a mess.

We are ruled by career polititians who won't be affected. They will just sit back and enjoy the mess which will somehow make them even more wealthy.

I'm not going to stock pile. There are others less fortunate than most of us who will need all the help they can get.

mikeyb
21-08-2019, 11:11
It would be much better if people didn't start stock piling stuff, esp medicines.They're already in short supply, I collect prescriptions daily for my work and some are 'no longer manufactured' what they really mean is some are no longer available because the companies aren't providing them to the UK. I noticed this problem a few months back and it's getting worse.

Grim, especially when you consider that we voted to remain part of the EU.

Clive
21-08-2019, 11:14
It would be much better if people didn't start stock piling stuff, esp medicines.

Overall that's certainly true but individual situations colour our personal views. Eg my wife who is terrified that she won't get her drugs to reduce the chances of a re-occurrence of cancer.

struth
21-08-2019, 11:28
They're already in short supply, I collect prescriptions daily for my work and some are 'no longer manufactured' what they really mean is some are no longer available because the companies aren't providing them to the UK. I noticed this problem a few months back and it's getting worse.

Grim, especially when you consider that we voted to remain part of the EU.

very true... we, and n ireland are being shafted quite frankly

mikeyb
21-08-2019, 12:02
very true... we, and n ireland are being shafted quite franklyDefinitely [emoji3525]

Beobloke
21-08-2019, 12:30
More dimwittery from the great British public. It's like the mad panic to buy bread and milk when half a centimetre of snow falls in the winter - utterly pointless. :rolleyes:

I predict the grand EU departure will be exactly like the Millennium bug that was going to bring all our computers to a grinding halt and destroy life as we knew it - absolutely nothing will happen and no-one will notice. Yes, there might be a few shortages but only due to the aforementioned muppets stockpiling stuff unnecessarily.

take5
21-08-2019, 12:44
I predict the grand EU departure will be exactly like the Millennium bug that was going to bring all our computers to a grinding halt and destroy life as we knew it - absolutely nothing will happen and no-one will notice.



Really. ??????

If these idiots in charge manage to do this, I predict a total disaster, in every respect.

walpurgis
21-08-2019, 12:57
Unfortunately, I predict the public at large will start freaking out and buy everything they can lay hands on in the last couple of weeks, thereby creating shortages, which is why I've taken precautions in well advance, so at least I'm not contributing to any mad rush.

I always keep a large stock of everything in any case, comes from my 'be prepared' slightly survivalist attitude. What I've done basically is double my stocks.

If it turns out there's no mad panic at the shops, no harm has been done, I can just use the extra up in due course.

Fuel shortages won't bother me immediately. I'll just haul the scooter from the garage and use that, it does 150mpg.

struth
21-08-2019, 13:02
public always panic buys. it just takes few to start it...a bit like the goldrush of 49:D i got a few household things in but because it was on offer more than anything else tbh.

Spectral Morn
21-08-2019, 13:03
very true... we, and n ireland are being shafted quite frankly

Agreed :(

User211
21-08-2019, 13:33
The media will fuel the panic buying.

The media will focus on any issue that's negative AND BLOW IT OUT OF ALL PROPORTION.

Because that's what the British media does.

In fact if it wasn't for the British media who has fed us nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years we probably would have left long ago.

They absolutely will make a crisis out of a little drama. Being pathetic is their job.

willbewill
21-08-2019, 17:02
More dimwittery from the great British public. It's like the mad panic to buy bread and milk when half a centimetre of snow falls in the winter - utterly pointless. :rolleyes:

I predict the grand EU departure will be exactly like the Millennium bug that was going to bring all our computers to a grinding halt and destroy life as we knew it - absolutely nothing will happen and no-one will notice. Yes, there might be a few shortages but only due to the aforementioned muppets stockpiling stuff unnecessarily.Exactly! The media just stirring folk up for s story...

willbewill
21-08-2019, 17:02
The media will fuel the panic buying.

The media will focus on any issue that's negative AND BLOW IT OUT OF ALL PROPORTION.

Because that's what the British media does.

In fact if it wasn't for the British media who has fed us nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years we probably would have left long ago.

They absolutely will make a crisis out of a little drama. Being pathetic is their job.We'll said

walpurgis
21-08-2019, 18:10
Actually, mid October onwards is a nice time of year to be in Portugal. I could pop over there for a couple of months whilst everybody else sorts out the probable choas. :)

Joe
21-08-2019, 19:53
The media will fuel the panic buying.

The media will focus on any issue that's negative AND BLOW IT OUT OF ALL PROPORTION.

Because that's what the British media does.

In fact if it wasn't for the British media who has fed us nothing but Brexit for the last 3 years we probably would have left long ago.

They absolutely will make a crisis out of a little drama. Being pathetic is their job.

If it wasn't for the British media, there would never have been a Brexit referendum in the first place. Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg would have remained on the margins of politics, and we wouldn't be facing the possible break-up of the UK.

take5
21-08-2019, 20:28
If it wasn't for the British media, there would never have been a Brexit referendum in the first place. Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg would have remained on the margins of politics, and we wouldn't be facing the possible break-up of the UK.

If any blame should be directed at anyone, it should be at David Cameron and his self serving Tory cronies , who decided that have a referendum would best serve their interests.

In the end, they are responsible for the farce we are seeing now.

Lawrence001
21-08-2019, 20:41
The thing I find surprising is that so many liberal minded people who a few years ago were the loudest advocates of democracy, including forcing it on countries that didn't have it, by military means if necessary, suddenly think it's the worst thing in the world that the people of Britain were given the choice to express their opinion democratically.

One wonders if this is related to the fact that the answer the British people gave does not tie in with their opinion of how the world should be.

The corollary of this is that they do not support democracy at all, just the enforced imposition of their minority views, with a preference for giving it the air of democracy at times when the majority can be persuaded to support it.

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Joe
21-08-2019, 21:09
'Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it, good and hard'. H L Mencken

montesquieu
21-08-2019, 21:09
The thing I find surprising is that so many liberal minded people who a few years ago were the loudest advocates of democracy, including forcing it on countries that didn't have it, by military means if necessary, suddenly think it's the worst thing in the world that the people of Britain were given the choice to express their opinion democratically.

One wonders if this is related to the fact that the answer the British people gave does not tie in with their opinion of how the world should be.

The corollary of this is that they do not support democracy at all, just the enforced imposition of their minority views, with a preference for giving it the air of democracy at times when the majority can be persuaded to support it.




+1

Democracy is, indeed, the issue now. Brexit was an argument that for me was finely balanced, I could easily see arguments for and against. There are advantages in going alone (especially as we haven't really fitted in with the direction of travel pretty much since the birth of the Euro and our opt out from it), and obviously quite a few potential disadvantages and risks such as threats to markets and potential supply chain disruption, as well as down sides around freedom of movement (for Brits seeking to work and study in the EU). Realistically, neither option was painless as 'ever closer union' is becoming a reality with little ability to influence the direction of travel due to the changes introduced in the Nice Treaty which limited the possibility to veto new measures, as well as the growing power of the commission in controlling the agenda, with a consequent weakening of the political control of the Council of Ministers (which with 28 members has become too fragmented to provide proper leadership). There was no 'status quo' option, something a lot remain-minded people don't really grasp.

Anyway, once we had the vote there was only one clear course of action and that was to fulfill the mandate and leave, and leave properly at that. A halfway fudge would be the worst of both worlds (as indeed TM's Withdrawal Agreement proved)..

Like most people I anticipated a friendly parting and a win-win negotiation based on the economics. Negotiating multi-£m business deals is my job, and win win is always the desired outcome.

Not so here it seems. The EU has taken Brexit an existential threat and behaved accordingly - indeed it has behaved utterly disgracefully. I would never have expected to say this (good European that I continue to consider myself to be) but if this is how the club behaves, then we are well out of it. Thankfully Europe and the EU are not the same thing (however much some people pretend this is the case).

This sums up the attitude of the people Lawrence was talking about:

https://i.imgur.com/mbxVBHr.jpg

Ninanina
21-08-2019, 21:13
I won't be doing any "panic buying"...

Joe
21-08-2019, 21:14
I won't be doing any "panic buying"...

Me neither. I've got enough wine in stock to remain drunk until the worst is over.

Ninanina
21-08-2019, 21:16
Me neither. I've got enough wine in stock to remain drunk until the worst is over.

Exactly Joe.... :lol:

take5
21-08-2019, 21:38
+1



Like most people I anticipated a friendly parting and a win-win negotiation based on the economics.

Not so here it seems. The EU has taken Brexit an existential threat and behaved accordingly - indeed it has behaved utterly disgracefully.



With respect Tom, the EU was never going to roll over and be shafted whilst the UK did their “tough stance/hard brexit” negotiations that we were all promised.

The EU held all the aces , and were never going to give the Uk all that the Tories wanted/promised.

If someone wants to leave something and spit the dummy out, they cant expect to leave getting everything they want. It was never going to happen and this current farce was entirely predictable.

As was the EU stance. It is not disgraceful. They have to look to themselves and that is totally understandable.

Why should they give us all we want and what right do we have to demand it ?

All just my opinion, of course !!!

Clive
21-08-2019, 21:54
I won't be doing any "panic buying"...
We're not exactly panic buying but we are cognisant of the need for my wife's anti-cancer medication. Is this unreasonable? It's not manufactured in the UK.

walpurgis
21-08-2019, 21:56
Don't forget, if you want to stock up, grated cheese can be frozen. Cheese block does not freeze well.

Ninanina
21-08-2019, 21:58
We're not exactly panic buying but we are cognisant of the need for my wife's anti-cancer medication. Is this unreasonable? It's not manufactured in the UK.

Good point Clive... I'll make sure Colin has enough of his trial drug

montesquieu
21-08-2019, 21:58
With respect Tom, the EU was never going to roll over and be shafted whilst the UK did their “tough stance/hard brexit” negotiations that we were all promised.

The EU held all the aces , and were never going to give the Uk all that the Tories wanted/promised.

If someone wants to leave something and spit the dummy out, they cant expect to leave getting everything they want. It was never going to happen and this current farce was entirely predictable.

As was the EU stance. It is not disgraceful. They have to look to themselves and that is totally understandable.

Why should they give us all we want and what right do we have to demand it ?

All just my opinion, of course !!!

Disagree entirely. No-one wanted to shaft the EU, only to reach a win-win position on the basis of the economic fundamentals. it was the EU that decided to shaft the UK, for political reasons. However I'm sure they couldn't believe their luck when Theresa May and Olly Robbins meekly accepted every premise around sequencing, gave in over the backstop (something that even the Irish government prior to the chancer Varadkar's arrival were working towards in terms of a technological fix) and at the same time also concede the central point over the budget.

We held a few aces too, but we tossed them away thanks to Theresa May. (With recent assistance from Quislings like Dominic Grieve who are actively working to undermine the UK negotiating stance). The UK is the world's fifth largest economy. The UK is 12% of the EU population and has been paying 25% of the net contributions. France makes no net contributions, being a net recipient under the Common Agricultural policy). We provide the backbone of the security and intelligence capability, and provide the only financial centre worth speaking of (Paris and Frankfurt are tiny by comparison, about 10% the size). The UK provides the bulk of Euro financing for all EU Governments. Worldwide we have a seat on the UN security council and are the only NATO member apart from Poland meeting the 2% target of GDP for defence.

This is not a country that should accept being pushed around. The backstop is an almost unique example of an international treaty without an exit clause. The EU knows this and forcing it on us is an attempt to humiliate us. We have to send them packing, for our own self-respect. Leavers and Remainers should be united on this.

dave2010
21-08-2019, 22:32
guess ive a fair bit in cans and dried food, plus a freezer full of stuff so although it may not be nice i will likely survive. I am getting in bog paper tho, although Im told most of it, like Andrex is made in UK.
Sure america and far east will fill the voidSimilarly - though I’m afraid a freezer full will be no good if things go really bad and the power goes down.

By chance we have a lot of bottles of wine, and whisky, so if necessary we could live on them for quite a long while, though in a sort of alcoholic haze. In moderation they would supply enough calories to keep us alive. I have one elderly relative who seems to have survived on alcohol for quite a while now - measured in years, not days, and shows no really strong signs of detriment or dementia.

Lawrence001
22-08-2019, 08:19
With respect Tom, the EU was never going to roll over and be shafted whilst the UK did their “tough stance/hard brexit” negotiations that we were all promised.

The EU held all the aces , and were never going to give the Uk all that the Tories wanted/promised.

If someone wants to leave something and spit the dummy out, they cant expect to leave getting everything they want. It was never going to happen and this current farce was entirely predictable.

As was the EU stance. It is not disgraceful. They have to look to themselves and that is totally understandable.

Why should they give us all we want and what right do we have to demand it ?

All just my opinion, of course !!!Could you expand on what spitting the dummy out involves? Article 50 is a legal measure put in place at the creation of the EU to recognise that the majority of a nation state (who choose to express a preference) may, at some point in the future, wish to leave the union. Invoking this law in itself is obviously not spitting any dummies out, it's using the legal measure agreed at the time to make a democratic choice.

The reason I'm bringing this up is that I've noticed a lot of remain politicians using highly emotive language (eg. bo**ocks to Brexit) whereas the more mainstream leave politicians seem to avoid such language and seek a more matter of fact discussion of the issues at stake (post the referendum campaign at least).

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walpurgis
22-08-2019, 08:24
And tinned potatoes are worth keeping too. They are quite versatile, can be used in salads as well as hot meals, they are also pretty nice cut in half and deep fried.

struth
22-08-2019, 08:31
And tinned potatoes are worth keeping too. They are quite versatile, can be used in salads as well as hot meals, they are also pretty nice cut in half and deep fried.

i used to use them in soup geoff... aldi used to do big cans for pennies. same with carrots

walpurgis
22-08-2019, 08:33
Could you expand on what spitting the dummy out involves?

It's detailed in clause three, sub-section six of the additional miscellaneous provisions, in the 1998 addendum to the temporary classifications of ruled items. :)

struth
22-08-2019, 08:35
Im of the opinion its better to be in the circle spitting out than out spitting in. But thats just me...:)

Bigman80
22-08-2019, 08:50
The thing I find surprising is that so many liberal minded people who a few years ago were the loudest advocates of democracy, including forcing it on countries that didn't have it, by military means if necessary, suddenly think it's the worst thing in the world that the people of Britain were given the choice to express their opinion democratically.

One wonders if this is related to the fact that the answer the British people gave does not tie in with their opinion of how the world should be.

The corollary of this is that they do not support democracy at all, just the enforced imposition of their minority views, with a preference for giving it the air of democracy at times when the majority can be persuaded to support it.

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Bigman80
22-08-2019, 08:53
With respect Tom, the EU was never going to roll over and be shafted whilst the UK did their “tough stance/hard brexit” negotiations that we were all promised.

The EU held all the aces , and were never going to give the Uk all that the Tories wanted/promised.

If someone wants to leave something and spit the dummy out, they cant expect to leave getting everything they want. It was never going to happen and this current farce was entirely predictable.

As was the EU stance. It is not disgraceful. They have to look to themselves and that is totally understandable.

Why should they give us all we want and what right do we have to demand it ?

All just my opinion, of course !!!The EU fat cats Know that Italy, Spain and Greece want out, as well as the Netherlands. Their behaviour has been as such to deter those nations from seeking an exit.

It's intimidation and I can't wait to leave, hard Brexit if we have to, I don't care.

Pigmy Pony
22-08-2019, 19:59
The EU fat cats Know that Italy, Spain and Greece want out, as well as the Netherlands. Their behaviour has been as such to deter those nations from seeking an exit.

It's intimidation and I can't wait to leave, hard Brexit if we have to, I don't care.

Quite right, let's show them that there is life outside of the EU :) Any potential shortages in supply of food, drugs and other resources will hopefully be met by non-EU countries, who I'm sure will already be preparing for it themselves.

Pigmy Pony
22-08-2019, 20:12
I think that from mid October, panic buying will set in prior to the 31st deadline. Have you considered this? It will happen and people won't know what there is likely to be a shortage of, so they'll be grabbing everything.

I have already stocked up on basic essentials like toilet paper, dog food, frozen food, pasta, rice, tinned veg and so on.

There are one or two items I have yet to get, but none will go to waste, it'll just take longer to use up.

Fuel supplies could well be an issue, but I have that covered for a few months if I'm careful.

Time to get organised!

I'm stockpiling .22 air pellets, it'll be rabbit stew and tandoori squirrel all the way after October :)

Marco
22-08-2019, 20:22
More dimwittery from the great British public. It's like the mad panic to buy bread and milk when half a centimetre of snow falls in the winter - utterly pointless. :rolleyes:

I predict the grand EU departure will be exactly like the Millennium bug that was going to bring all our computers to a grinding halt and destroy life as we knew it - absolutely nothing will happen and no-one will notice. Yes, there might be a few shortages but only due to the aforementioned muppets stockpiling stuff unnecessarily.

My view entirely, especially the bit in bold - utterly brainless, risible and extremely selfish behaviour, second only to the neurone-deprived antics of 'bargain hunters', fighting over fridges, on Black Friday!!:doh::mental:

Brexit panic buying? That'll be shining bright... The reserve of idiots. We'll be doing hee-haw different and carrying on as normal!

Marco.

walpurgis
22-08-2019, 21:09
I'm stockpiling .22 air pellets, it'll be rabbit stew and tandoori squirrel all the way after October :)

I already have loads. Mind you, the wildlife here is mainly rats.

Bigman80
22-08-2019, 21:16
Quite right, let's show them that there is life outside of the EU :) Any potential shortages in supply of food, drugs and other resources will hopefully be met by non-EU countries, who I'm sure will already be preparing for it themselves.Absolutely!

Pigmy Pony
23-08-2019, 06:39
I already have loads. Mind you, the wildlife here is mainly rats.

Bear Grylls managed to make them look quite tasty when he took David Walliams for a ramble :)

willbewill
23-08-2019, 06:50
My view entirely, especially the bit in bold - utterly brainless, risible and extremely selfish behaviour, second only to the neurone-deprived antics of 'bargain hunters' on Black Friday!!:doh::mental:

Brexit panic buying? That'll be shining bright... The reserve of idiots. We'll be doing hee-haw different and carrying on as normal!

Marco.Nought wrong with Black Friday or Cyber Monday if there's something on sale that you want or need. I got 50% off a month's car hire in USA last year!

Marco
23-08-2019, 07:04
Indeed, Malcom. I've taken advantage of some BF online discounts myself. What I'm referring to are the sub-humans you see in videos, inside stores, fighting each other over discounted televisions, etc.

Their disgraceful and uncivilised behaviour is more befitting of animals than human beings!

Marco.

Macca
23-08-2019, 07:42
We are only a species of ape so it isn't really that surprising. We'd all behave like that given the appropriate triggers.

struth
23-08-2019, 07:45
Some may say, Nature is what we are put in this world to rise above:eyebrows:

Marco
23-08-2019, 07:49
We are only a species of ape so it isn't really that surprising. We'd all behave like that given the appropriate triggers.

Yes, I could see the point if there was a serious world food shortage, and folk were fighting over food to survive. That's the only thing that would excuse such behaviour.

Sadly, the dysfunctional creatures seen in such scuffles, fuelled by pure GREED, are endemic in today's society, and reflects what it has created.

Marco.

Macca
23-08-2019, 07:52
Plenty of examples of same going back to the start of recorded history. Times change, people don't.

Marco
23-08-2019, 08:33
Yes, but it's worse now because the fighting is over materialistic frippery, not important stuff that keeps you alive!

If would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Marco.

mad-moon
23-08-2019, 09:40
Plenty of examples of same going back to the start of recorded history. Times change, people don't.

I can't remeber which member's signature reads, but it is something like this "Life is simple, it's the human being, that makes it difficult" or words to that effect

Marco
23-08-2019, 09:47
Absolutely, but let's remember that not all humans are equal, so it's up to us to keep the runts in the litter at bay!;)

Marco.

struth
23-08-2019, 10:28
Absolutely, but let's remember that not all humans are equal, so it's up to us to keep the runts in the litter at bay!;)

Marco.

Thats true...I'm a one of......



...Fortunately:D