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dave2010
01-06-2010, 20:20
Anyone got one, or seen one yet? I've touched one, but not sure if it'd do much for me yet. Not quite sure what they could do for audio, but I'm sure it should be possible to store and/or play a moderate size CD collection using one. I might wait until they release a 100+Gbyte version.
magiccarpetride
01-06-2010, 22:33
Anyone got one, or seen one yet? I've touched one, but not sure if it'd do much for me yet. Not quite sure what they could do for audio, but I'm sure it should be possible to store and/or play a moderate size CD collection using one. I might wait until they release a 100+Gbyte version.
All I can tell you is this: be careful. I pretty much lost a friend in early April, after he bought the iPad. He just briefly re-surfaced to tell me that I won't be hearing from him in a while. Never heard back from him again...
Apparently, this devilish little appliance is highly addictive. Some complain that it is a huge step back into the Dark Ages of the read-only web. It is geared toward consumption-only, and he was complaining that try as he might, all his attempts to participate on the web or to contribute something ended up unsuccessfully.
I love gadgets, but I really can't see the point over a standard notebook, (or a tablet if you must have touch screen) - and why such piffling small memory options (at silly prices) Nope, no idea why everyone is so excited...
The Vinyl Adventure
03-06-2010, 22:29
i want one and i dont even know why... damn them apple people... the hype has worked on me... ... ... i am an iphone slut though
Beechwoods
03-06-2010, 22:34
I'm one of those who buys Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field (http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt) but I really wouldn't splash out on a first gen Apple product like this. You can guarantee it will improve a lot over the next year or two. Look now how the latest iPhone OS supports iPhone's back to the 2G (albeit without multi-tasking) but the poor old 1G is left in the cold.
I'm more than happy with my titanium unibody MacBook. It has a proper keyboard and the screen and keyboard fold together so it's protected from being scratched! What a novel idea :) I can't see anyone seriously typing on an iPad screen; no way two handedly while reclining on a sofa.
It looks nice though and the screen is lovely.
A note on an unsuccessful attempt to nullify the Reality Distortion Field (http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Are_You_Gonna_Do_It.txt)
I was thinking about one to store all my cds and try computer audio as im running out of space. But Logitech have brought out a small squeesbox with a screen £250. Couple that with a decent hard drive and bobs your uncle i reckon.
Beechwoods
03-06-2010, 23:06
Watch the audio outputs. The iPad doesn't have a digital out as far as I can tell so you'd be dependent upon the inbuilt DAC :eek: It may stream to an Airport Express though...
twelvebears
04-06-2010, 05:44
As a confirmed Apple Household (x2 Intel iMac, 1 G5 iMac, Apple TV, various iPods), I still can't see the point of the iPad, as much as I wish I could.
Having just been 'burned' by the disappointment of the fundamentally flawed iPhone (I'm sorry, but a 'mobile' device which needs almost constant charging is a non-starter for me), I'm be exercising a little more caution before being an Apple 'early adopter' again.
I'd be more interested in the iPad if it had *some* connectivity for other devices.
Save yourself £599 and just put a signature on your emails:
"Sent from my iPad"
The Vinyl Adventure
04-06-2010, 08:18
Ha!
I've got used to the battery being a bit crap and don't really notice it any more... You just hav to make sure you have a charging cable in all the rooms ou like to use it!
I am hoping the new one is going to be better though!
Sent from my iPhone (whilst taking my morning dump)
Ali Tait
04-06-2010, 09:12
I'm going for the HTC desire.A far better phone than the iphone.Better screen too.
The Vinyl Adventure
04-06-2010, 09:30
Better than the iPhone? ... That is a contradiction in terms mate!
Apparently, if you plug in a camera adaptor you can get digital out via USB.
Or you could use it as a big Squeezebox controller!
Apparently Apple are going further. They are bringing out the Apple crumble and calling it.................:stalks:
...................the iPud :rolleyes:
Ali Tait
04-06-2010, 13:23
Better than the iPhone? ... That is a contradiction in terms mate!
Nope! Check out all the reviews on the net.Almost all say it's better than the iphone.Just doesn't look quite as sexy.
Ali Tait
04-06-2010, 13:24
And the screen has twice the resolution! :ner:
Spectral Morn
04-06-2010, 13:30
Luddite in the room......
Ummmm :scratch: I remember a time not long ago, when phones were used for making phone calls...:eek::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
What's reception like ? How do you sound when talking on it natural or like a cylon? How good is the mic at separating your voice out from back ground noise....etc. These seem to me to be the important questions.
Regards D S D L
For me the best feature of an iPhone is the app store.
Ali Tait
04-06-2010, 14:04
Aye,but how much of it is free? The Android marketplace has hundreds of free apps.
"On July 10, 2008, Apple CEO Steve Jobs told USA Today that the App Store contained 100,000 third-party applications for the iPhone and the iPod Touch, 63,000 of which were free" : Wikipedia.
I'm not there's quality in quantity but you can usually find one for what you need. I've never used an Android phone though.
Ali Tait
04-06-2010, 14:18
I just don't like the way they try constantly try to squeeze money out of you.I like the Android system because it's open source.
Apparently Apple are going further. They are bringing out the Apple crumble and calling it.................:stalks:
...................the iPud :rolleyes:
I also read that the Metropolitan Police have been trialling a new prototype that enables them to directly access the Police National Computer for doing ID's checking vehicle details etc - they've called it i-plod
:lol:
Sorry... heat getting to me!
I thought the iPad was a complete joke when I first saw it announced but now having lived with one for the last two months I have to say it is utterly brilliant. I bought it for the whole family to use, it sits in the living room and is easy access to all. It offers instant boot and quick n easy web browsing along with email, games and such a multitude of apps I wouldn't know where to start! Suffice to say that the comments made previously I think are ill founded and such is the success of the concept others are now trying to enter the market, now that the biggest endorsement going ;)
The Grand Wazoo
06-06-2010, 00:24
Suffice to say that the comments made previously I think are ill founded and such is the success of the concept others are now trying to enter the market, now that the biggest endorsement going
I think others will always try to enter the market of almost anything that Apple sell, not because of any intrinsic worth of the product, but because they feel they can turn a coin on Apples reputation and marketing. It's not an endorsement of the product, but of Apple's success - not the same thing.
Jusy my opinion.
I'm trying to figure out how could an iPad integrate with my living and habits.
Or, whether it could bring something useful and new.
At the moment, my quest for answers can be resumed in two words : Epic Fail. :o
Eh? Sorry that's balderdash :) The iPhone disproves your statement, the iPhone and iPod are Apples success. The companies current position as number one market cap has been built on these products which is a ringing endorsement of the product! iPad sales of 2million in 2months is remarkable.
I think others will always try to enter the market of almost anything that Apple sell, not because of any intrinsic worth of the product, but because they feel they can turn a coin on Apples reputation and marketing. It's not an endorsement of the product, but of Apple's success - not the same thing.
Jusy my opinion.
"Balderdash" - great word, Neal! :eyebrows:
Next time, may I suggest "piffle"? ;)
Sorry, I have no view on the iPad, one way or the other..... I merely wanted to compliment you on the quality of your retort!
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
06-06-2010, 09:28
Eh? Sorry that's balderdash :) The iPhone disproves your statement, the iPhone and iPod are Apples success. The companies current position as number one market cap has been built on these products which is a ringing endorsement of the product! iPad sales of 2million in 2months is remarkable.
Sorry, I don't understand how the existence or success of the two products you cite disproves my statement.
I don't think I actually said that Apple have not made successful or good products. As it happens, my opinion is that those two things are entirely different - big sales figures don't mean the product is good, it just means people like it - not the same at all.
My point, that you don't seem to have understood, is that other companies will blindly follow Apple with me-too products, whether the product is any good or not.
Marco, yes it's a great word, but the wrong one in this case, I think!
I bought it for the whole family to use, it sits in the living room and is easy access to all.
I guess that would be useful if you have your PC in another room - my wife and I are a right pair of saddos - laptop each either end of the sofa!
StanleyB
06-06-2010, 09:35
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the ipad a blatant copy of the tablet PC?
Similarly, isn't the ipod a copy of the RIO and MPress3 (which was my design) mp3 players?
Even the name Apple and logo was from The Beatles.
I think the word is perfect :)
It disproves your statement because the recent success of the company is built upon those products and and your last comment make no sense either good long term sales mean the product is a) good and b) addresses a desire or need in the market. A company will not remain solvent for long if the product is crap or a competitor comes out with something better.
Sorry, I don't understand how the existence or success of the two products you cite disproves my statement.
I don't think I actually said that Apple have not made successful or good products. As it happens, my opinion is that those two things are entirely different - big sales figures don't mean the product is good, it just means people like it - not the same at all.
My point, that you don't seem to have understood, is that other companies will blindly follow Apple with me-too products, whether the product is any good or not.
Marco, yes it's a great word, but the wrong one in this case, I think!
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the ipad a blatant copy of the tablet PC?
Similarly, isn't the ipod a copy of the RIO and MPress3 (which was my design) mp3 players?
Even the name Apple and logo was from The Beatles.
iPad (iPhone and Touch) have an original inertia scrolling/spinning/zooming interface with solid-object feel using a multi-point touch screen algorithm that makes them different from scrolling/zooming interfaces used by others.
I guess this makes them "unique".
For the rest, you're probably right, Stan. ;)
I think the word is perfect :)
It disproves your statement because the recent success of the company is built upon those products and and your last comment make no sense either good long term sales mean the product is a) good and b) addresses a desire or need in the market. A company will not remain solvent for long if the product is crap or a competitor comes out with something better.
So, the best computers in the world are the Dell. Right ? :ner:
They are (far ahead) the most sold. About 5 times more than Apple computers.
The Grand Wazoo
06-06-2010, 09:56
It disproves your statement
Sorry, it does nothing of the sort. My statement was about other companies producing me-too products, simply because Apple has been successful in the past with it's own products. Therefore when Apple release a new product, others will follow because they are convinced that the shiny new Apple-thing will create a demand for a product type.
To be crudely illustrate the point, let's imagine that Apple were to develop the iSore - a device which does nothing other than to sit on your desk with an illuminated Apple logo shining on the top and demanding to have it's batteries recharged every week or so. Every so often, and at random, it flies up & lands on your foot making it sore. We'd all agree this is not a good product.
However, someone will copy that, and market it purely because of Apple's track record.
The statement was not in reference to Apple's success or otherwise, nor did it refer to the worth or otherwise of their products.
Therefore the sales figures of a couple of their products disprove nothing.
I think I'm better placed to use the word 'balderdash', to which I'd certainly add 'piffle'.
So, the best computers in the world are the Dell. Right ? :ner:
They are (far ahead) the most sold. About 5 times more than Apple computers.
:ner::ner::ner: right back, 'cause yes your right as I use them, they sell millions a year and they keep thousands of IT support personnel employed worldwide. :mental: :)
Have it your way but I strongly disagree and your 'example' is absurd.
Sorry, it does nothing of the sort. My statement was about other companies producing me-too products, simply because Apple has been successful in the past with it's own products. Therefore when Apple release a new product, others will follow because they are convinced that the shiny new Apple-thing will create a demand for a product type.
To be crudely illustrate the point, let's imagine that Apple were to develop the iSore - a device which does nothing other than to sit on your desk with an illuminated Apple logo shining on the top and demanding to have it's batteries recharged every week or so. Every so often, and at random, it flies up & lands on your foot making it sore. We'd all agree this is not a good product.
However, someone will copy that, and market it purely because of Apple's track record.
The statement was not in reference to Apple's success or otherwise, nor did it refer to the worth or otherwise of their products.
Therefore the sales figures of a couple of their products disprove nothing.
I think I'm better placed to use the word 'balderdash', to which I'd certainly add 'piffle'.
The Grand Wazoo
06-06-2010, 10:59
It was intended to try to keep things light hearted as I've spent all morning so far, defending my statements from slighty brusque retorts.
I've got better things to do.
This week's From The Grave is cancelled.
:ner::ner::ner: right back, 'cause yes your right as I use them, they sell millions a year and they keep thousands of IT support personnel employed worldwide. :mental: :)
Yes, but are they any better ? :scratch:
They use the same parts than any other computer around. ;)
dave2010
06-06-2010, 11:23
Alex
I guess that would be useful if you have your PC in another room - my wife and I are a right pair of saddos - laptop each either end of the sofa!Interesting this - no comment from our house.
However, it has been noted that if (certain) pairs of laptops are in line with the wireless access point, that the throughput drops off drastically. Also, some laptops have directional response. Might be better to sit on separate sofas at right angles to avoid loss of link speed due to laptop orientation.
Lastly - do not put laptops on top of a metal biscuit tin - unless you want to have a really low data rate.
How do I know all this? :-)
it has been noted that if (certain) pairs of laptops are in line with the wireless access point, that the throughput drops off drastically.
I don't care, my latop is nearer the router than hers! :lol:
magiccarpetride
07-06-2010, 02:17
Even the name Apple and logo was from The Beatles.
Weren't the Beatles a blatant copy of the Rolling Stones?
mwheelerk
12-06-2010, 07:42
Sorry, I don't understand how the existence or success of the two products you cite disproves my statement.
I don't think I actually said that Apple have not made successful or good products. As it happens, my opinion is that those two things are entirely different - big sales figures don't mean the product is good, it just means people like it - not the same at all.
So what you are saying is that there are millions of people who make a choice to buy bad products because they like them. Exactly why would people like a product unless it performed the tasks and met the needs of what they set out to purchase.
RobsterD
12-06-2010, 08:18
Hi
I have an Ipad been using it since it was released,it's a great bit of kit.I use it to control itunes while surfing and emailing,alot better than an Asus Eee/Touch I was using before.
mwheelerk
12-06-2010, 12:51
Hi
I have an Ipad been using it since it was released,it's a great bit of kit.I use it to control itunes while surfing and emailing,alot better than an Asus Eee/Touch I was using before.
I was thinking about the remote application aspect to control my iTunes library via my Apple TV and to be able to do simple surfing of the net and checking email while sitting in my chair instead of at my desk on my computer.
The Grand Wazoo
14-06-2010, 22:49
So what you are saying is that there are millions of people who make a choice to buy bad products because they like them. Exactly why would people like a product unless it performed the tasks and met the needs of what they set out to purchase.
Once again, it comes down to definition of what is a bad product.
And 'bad' is a pretty strong word, but yes, it has been known to happen has it not?
How about:
VHS when there was an alternative in Betamax?
The RCA phono plug compared to the Camac or XLR connector?
Everyone who ever fell for a pyramid selling scam.
Windows ME
Windows Vista
Firestone car tyres (several million-odd recalled in the early 1990's)
What about much of what passes for food in certain 'restaurants'?
mwheelerk
14-06-2010, 23:30
Once again, it comes down to definition of what is a bad product.
And 'bad' is a pretty strong word, but yes, it has been known to happen has it not?
How about:
VHS when there was an alternative in Betamax?
The RCA phono plug compared to the Camac or XLR connector?
Everyone who ever fell for a pyramid selling scam.
Windows ME
Windows Vista
Firestone car tyres (several million-odd recalled in the early 1990's)
What about much of what passes for food in certain 'restaurants'?
Your first two comparisons do not work in my opinion as they are a comparison between good products that worked and better products and not good versus bad. Analog phono interconnects with RCA connections are good products with XLR terminations thought to be better. The VHS was a good product but the Beta may have been a better product.
Certainly there are bad products out there but I did state if they performed the tasks and met the needs of the buyer then to me they are not bad. There certainly may be better or better in your eyes or my eyes but that doesn't make them bad across the board.
The Grand Wazoo
14-06-2010, 23:59
Well that's where the definition seperates us:
I think Betamax was bad & VHS was worse.........and I did back then, only having ever invested money in a VCR once, and even then it was only out of necessity, so this is no revisionism in the light of DVD or any newer product.
Analogue interconnects with RCA connections are a poor compromise, made so by a dreadfully designed connector with almost no merit whatsoever other than low cost. We put up with them because we have to. We have to because they became the industry standard by being cheap. They're no longer cheap because the turd has been polished beyond belief. So they are of even less merit now than they ever were.
In my mind a good product has far fewer compromises than either of those things. We'll have to agree to differ here, I think.
twelvebears
15-06-2010, 05:44
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the ipad a blatant copy of the tablet PC?
Similarly, isn't the ipod a copy of the RIO and MPress3 (which was my design) mp3 players?
Even the name Apple and logo was from The Beatles.
Even if that is the case, that doesn't detract from the fact that Apple, if not having a totally original idea, managed to take something and make it totally mainstream and successful.
The fact is that iPod is as much a 'definition' for the MP3 player as Hoover is for a vacuum cleaner.
Don't misunderstand me, even as a hardened iMac user, I'm absolutely not a Steve Jobs disciple and don't agree with everything they do or think that everything they produce is great. I from personal experience I thought that Apple TV was a complete missed opportunity (could have been the first really successful media streamer but hardware limits and 'Apple lockdown' tied it's shoelaces together) and that while a nice gadget, the iPhone is actually fundamentally flawed as a mobile phone due to it's woeful battery life.
That said, Apple do have a knack for making things desirable, and in the case of the iMac, Macbook and Mac Pro, which are well made and good at what they do.
As much as I'd like to like the iPad, I'm just not seeing the point of it. Unless I can turn it into a giant touch screen remote control for my system of course.
Is there an app for that? ;)
Stratmangler
15-06-2010, 13:05
Is there an app for that? ;)
I think there's one for your Squeezbox, Steve:)
It's not that good though, better to point Safari to http://<your server>:9000/stream.mp3 and control that way. User Pippin on the SB forums is working on a new iPAD app though.....
twelvebears
15-06-2010, 13:41
I think there's one for your Squeezbox, Steve:)
Bugger....
Stratmangler
15-06-2010, 13:45
Bugger....
You can breathe easy Steve, thanks to Neal's post
It's not that good though, better to point Safari to http://<your server>:9000/stream.mp3 and control that way. User Pippin on the SB forums is working on a new iPAD app though.....
dave2010
15-06-2010, 22:30
I'm still not absolutely convinced about the iPad, but some features are good. Being able to scale most web pages and images is a great thing, but it doesn't always work. One of the problems is Apple's refusal to incorporate Flash software, which means that some web sites don't work in the same way as on other machines. The start up time for the iPad is really good, and being able to get onto web sites within a few seconds beats the heck out of starting up a PC.
It's also very nice as an ereader. Personally I'd like an ereader which could display music - not sure if such things exist yet.
I'm guessing the next iPad will have a much better display (the current one is good, but only the same resolution as most netbooks), and possibly some other helpful features, and more memory. For me - will I last out until next year for the next model? Probably not!
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