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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/girl-scalded-spilt-starbucks-tea-17326240
So she carries a boiling hot drink under her arm but it's not her fault she got scalded?
a farce. pandering to stupidity and greed
donmarrese
02-07-2019, 13:49
Cheap advertising for Starbucks...
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02-07-2019, 13:51
Next we’ll be seeing teenagers suing Raleigh for falling off their bikes.
She chose to carry a cookie in her hand instead of the hot drink, her grandmother thought this was fine but it's still Starbucks fault?
Really?
Minstrel SE
02-07-2019, 13:57
You can blame the claim culture lawyers for a lot of this.....keeeerching!
You cant knock it as easy money though......shes done alright there....If starbucks lawyers cant defend such a claim we are all stuffed
We all pay for this shit in increased prices and insurance. The legal (professsion?) is as greedy as hell and will jump at this sort of twisted opportunity.
I blame the judges, they have the power to tell the lawyers to stop wasting the courts time with such nonsense
Primalsea
02-07-2019, 16:26
Just another upsetting example of how the law fails us again. Why should the staff be responsible for how someone carries their drinks, they were probably busy and why would you offer a tray for 2 drinks and a cookie, especially when there was actually an adult who was a family member with her? If the nan wasn’t liable why should the cafe be...
stairpost
02-07-2019, 16:36
I'd be interested to see how quickly she manages to waste all the money. Can't imagine her hanging on to it for very long.
thingfish
02-07-2019, 16:41
Let that be a lesson to Starbucks.
The careless cow should've been given a slap, and told to use some common sense - never mind awarded £75k...!!:doh:
The more the law panders to these brainless morons, the more they'll be motivated to make such ridiculous claims for compensation.
Marco.
montesquieu
02-07-2019, 17:32
The real idiocy was buying Starbucks tea when everyone - except Starbucks it seems - knows you can't make tea with scalding hot water, all you do is scorch the paper and ruin the tea.
Black tea is just off boil. About 97/98c as is herbal
montesquieu
02-07-2019, 18:08
Black tea is just off boil. About 97/98c as is herbal
Starbucks make tea with steam.
walpurgis
02-07-2019, 18:10
If it hadn't been hot enough, she'd probably have sued for the distress that caused.
The real idiocy was buying Starbucks tea...
Yes, that's the REAL idiocy: being there in the first place!!:lol:
Marco [Never been to Starbucks in his life, and that fact is unlikely to change].
I'd be interested to see how quickly she manages to waste all the money. Can't imagine her hanging on to it for very long.
Probably waste it on takeaway coffee s !
stairpost
03-07-2019, 14:08
Probably waste it on takeaway coffee s !
That sort of post is exactly why LOL was created, I did when I read it :)
Pigmy Pony
03-07-2019, 15:10
It'll go on spray tans, collagen injections, hair extensions and a boob job. And a tattoo with her new boyfriend's name (probably Wayne or Shaun), who'll only stick around long enough to knock her up and spend all her money.
God I'm such a snob!
No, you're a realist!;)
Can't stand those waste-of-space entitles.
Marco.
It'll go on spray tans, collagen injections, hair extensions and a boob job. And a tattoo with her new boyfriend's name (probably Wayne or Shaun), who'll only stick around long enough to knock her up and spend all her money.
God I'm such a snob!
Although they've got legal abortion in Ireland now so the knocking up won't be as much of an issue as in days gone by. She can even afford to go private. And if she's lucky she'll find some reason to sue the hospital. Everyone's a winner.
bet she doesnt buy a turntable anyway... new phone is a must tho
And a holiday. Somewhere crappy but that she thinks is good.
stairpost
03-07-2019, 15:53
It'll go on spray tans, collagen injections, hair extensions and a boob job. And a tattoo with her new boyfriend's name (probably Wayne or Shaun), who'll only stick around long enough to knock her up and spend all her money.
God I'm such a snob!
You are probably spot on, that's exactly how I imagined it being wasted. On Kardashian inspired shite.
she'll spell it wrong and get the guy
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/54/8e/99548ea85bd088489e7dc0dac0e23b93.jpg
Not forgetting how many 'selfies' the thick bint will be taking of herself on Instagram, receiving the cheque! :guns:
Marco.
stairpost
03-07-2019, 16:49
Not forgetting how many 'selfies' the thick bint will be taking of herself on Instagram, receiving the cheque! :guns:
Marco.
Unfortunately, it says a lot about more about me than I would like to admit, but I've allowed myself to detest this woman/girl simply by reading her story. The whole idea of it makes me sad and fearful for the direction society is heading, and people like her are proud poster girls for its decline.
Pigmy Pony
03-07-2019, 17:12
Although they've got legal abortion in Ireland now so the knocking up won't be as much of an issue as in days gone by. She can even afford to go private. And if she's lucky she'll find some reason to sue the hospital. Everyone's a winner.
When she does a raging kebab shit all over the mattress and halfway up her back she'll sue the hospital for not providing big enough bedpans, and not preventing her mum from bringing in the doner. And "Paddy's Pitta Emporium" can expect a solicitor's letter too :(
Unfortunately, it says a lot about more about me than I would like to admit, but I've allowed myself to detest this woman/girl simply by reading her story. The whole idea of it makes me sad and fearful for the direction society is heading, and people like her are proud poster girls for its decline.
All it says about you is that you're absolutely correct and a good judge of character, pretty sure most well adjusted, right thinking people agree with you
Maybe end up in poverty and then will get the entire Labour front bench throwing there hands up in a hissy fit blaming the Tory s :lol:
stairpost
03-07-2019, 22:49
All it says about you is that you're absolutely correct and a good judge of character, pretty sure most well adjusted, right thinking people agree with you
That's very reassuring, on both a personal and societal level, thank you.
Shovel_Knight
03-07-2019, 22:52
Oh my gosh, this thread is really full of bitter old men, isn't it? :lol:
As for the girl, the only thing we know about her is that she managed to scald herself with hot tea which really isn't enough to make any conclusions about her character (heck, I scalded myself more times than I care to admit). It was her mother who sued Starbucks and I'm pretty sure we've all met some pretty crazy mothers...
mad-moon
03-07-2019, 23:04
Oh my gosh, this thread is really full of bitter old men, isn't it? :lol:
As for the girl, the only thing we know about her is that she managed to scald herself with hot tea which really isn't enough to make any conclusions about her character (heck, I scalded myself more times than I care to admit). It was her mother who sued Starbucks and I'm pretty sure we've all met some pretty crazy mothers...
and what was the mother doing, letting her daughter carry the scalding hot beverages in the first place...
She was too busy attending to her scratch cards, of course!
And counting how many carrier bags of joggers she'd robbed from TK Maxx....
Marco.
mad-moon
03-07-2019, 23:13
Or would you like some blood with your coffee??
https://www.foxnews.com/us/starbucks-sued-after-2-year-old-customer-allegedly-drank-baristas-blood
All the more reason why I'd never set foot in one of those places!:spew:
Strictly for chavs and the lower orders....
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
04-07-2019, 06:21
All the more reason why I'd never set foot in one of those places!:spew:
Strictly for chavs and the lower orders....
Marco.
No, that's KFC I think. Never visited a Starbucks, but I've been in a few Costas, which I imagine is similar. I don't mind Costa, but then I'm from Chorley, and would probably score at least eight on the Marco PlebometerTM :)
Was in a Costa in Nantwich last week, and definitely no chavs in there. A couple of hooray Henrys though, with their horses parked up outside.
If you want to encounter chavs Nantwich is not the best place to start. Possibly one of the most chav-free areas of the country. Come down here sometime and don't forget to bring the relevant Viz 'Why-aye Spy' book. You'll be able to tick a lot of boxes.
https://i.imgur.com/Ui3nYj0.jpg
No, that's KFC I think. Never visited a Starbucks, but I've been in a few Costas, which I imagine is similar. I don't mind Costa, but then I'm from Chorley, and would probably score at least eighty on the Marco PlebometerTM :)
Was in a Costa in Nantwich last week, and definitely no chavs in there. A couple of hooray Henrys though, with their horses parked up outside.
Fixed that for you!:D
No, I'm not surprised that the chav-factor in the Nantwich one was low, such is the nature of Nantwich. The chippies there serve their chips wrapped up in copies of the Telegraph... I've been to a Costa once, simply because it was downstairs from the Odeon cinema, and where we were early for seeing the film we wanted to watch, so I bought a coffee to pass the time.
If was fine, but vastly overpriced for what it was! Plus, I'm simply not into highly commercialised/branded products, and so will actively choose to avoid them. Generally, if something is heavily marketed and touted as 'trendy', I'll walk the other way and shun the masses. The same applies to well-known chain pubs or restaurants. I simply don't need or like them.
The fact is, I can make far better coffee at home much cheaper than that sold in Costa or Starbucks, so why would I bother?
I don't lead the sort of lifestyle that sees me in city centres much, or in airports or train stations, where these places tend to be, so am not subject to their 'temptation'. And if I'm out and about or go for a meal, I'll have a coffee in a proper Italian (or local Portuguese) restaurant or small, generally privately owned coffee shop, where the coffee sold is much better and also generally cheaper than in Costa!:cool:
As you can imagine, there's a Costa in Wrexham, but there are also places such as this (where I'd go if I wanted a bite of something worthwhile eating, and a quality cup of coffee): https://lot-11-cafe-and-hideout.business.site/ Pics: https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x487ac71c9c3c96cf%3A0xf7c703c517a52af1!3 m1!7e131!5sLot%2011%20Cafe%20and%20Hideout!15sCAQ&hl=en&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOZCa4ipPvBIYCb1GKAfvlzxy6Jr bjMmZYpAjA
Feck yer Costa (or Starpukes)....
Marco.
If you want to encounter chavs Nantwich is not the best place to start. Possibly one of the most chav-free areas of the country. Come down here sometime and don't forget to bring the relevant Viz 'Why-aye Spy' book. You'll be able to tick a lot of boxes.
https://i.imgur.com/Ui3nYj0.jpg
Ha - Viz... Great memories:D Now that chick's outfit is PROPA!;)
An era when women looked like women (and embraced their femininity), rather than, well............
Marco.
Primalsea
04-07-2019, 08:57
Not seen a Viz for years! Good memories there. My brother used to buy the annuals, they had strange names - The Sausage Sandwich was one. Ironically probably a great character for Viz would be a Mother that gets her kids to have accidents in just so she can sue whoever premises it happened on.
thingfish
04-07-2019, 09:15
Aye VIZ is class, used to love reading VIZ Top Tips............Some quality advise.:D
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DRIVERS: Avoid getting prosecuted for using your phone while driving. Simply pop your mobile inside a large shell and the police will think you are listening to the sea.
MEN: When listening to your favourite CD, simply turn up the sound to the volume you desire - then turn it down three notches. This saves your wife having to do it.
DON'T waste money on expensive iPods. Simply think of your favourite tune and I hum it. If you want to "switch tracks", simply think of another song you like and hum that instead.
GAMBLERS: For a new gambling opportunity, try sending £50 to yourself by Royal Mail.
Etc etc etc .........
Haha - love it, especially that last one!:lol:
As for this, though....
MEN: When listening to your favourite CD, simply turn up the sound to the volume you desire - then turn it down three notches. This saves your wife having to do it.
NOT if she wants to keep all her fingers!!;)
Marco.
Firebottle
04-07-2019, 11:00
An era when women looked like women (and embraced their femininity), rather than, well............
Marco.
Sex dolls, that's what they all look like now, plastic with everything. :spew:
Indeed, falsified to the max; either that or foulmouthed, pint-swilling, tattooed, tracksuit-wearing, 'ladettes', with about as much femininity as Tom Jones' chest wig!:eyebrows:
Or vacuous 'Love Island' fodder.... Wouldn't touch any of it with a bargepole!
Marco.
Indeed its refreshing to see a youngish woman who takes the trouble to look her best, but that charge could be landed at young men too. as they get older its just gonna get worse, especially with those tattoos
Shovel_Knight
04-07-2019, 12:38
All the more reason why I'd never set foot in one of those places!:spew:
Strictly for chavs and the lower orders....
Marco.
I have to admit I've been to Starbucks, in fact I frequented this place when I was living in the US.
The key to Starbucks success is the fact that Americans simply do not understand coffee, which is a bit surprising considering that they chug it in ungodly amounts. Your average American coffee tastes like it was previously used to mop the floor. Against this background, Starbucks looks pretty decent because their basic offerings are actually drinkable.
I lived in a small town about 7 miles from DC and we had just two coffee places: Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts. Starbucks was by far the better of the two. There were some good places in DC, but few and far between. It was 6 years ago, so maybe things are different now but I have my doubts.
Obviously, there's no reason to ever visit Starbucks or its likes if you're in Europe. An average European city has more decent coffee places than the whole American East Coast.
mad-moon
04-07-2019, 12:47
Indeed, falsified to the max; either that or foulmouthed, pint-swilling, tattooed, tracksuit-wearing, 'ladettes', with about as much femininity as Tom Jones' chest wig!:eyebrows:
Or vacuous 'Love Island' fodder.... Wouldn't touch any of it with a bargepole!
Marco.
Unless you had a pork pie in one hand and a pint in the other.....being ridden reverse cowgirl by a bird with a scalded arm....taking your last few breaths before pegging it....with a smile on your face....
Firebottle
04-07-2019, 13:43
Don't tell all of us your dreams Alan, they won't come true then :lol:
Primalsea
04-07-2019, 16:05
Unless you had a pork pie in one hand and a pint in the other.....being ridden reverse cowgirl by a bird with a scalded arm....taking your last few breaths before pegging it....with a smile on your face....
Well, as exit visas go that’s got to be up there. I mean, you are planning on finishing the pie and pint first? It would be weird otherwise.
mad-moon
04-07-2019, 17:00
Well, as exit visas go that’s got to be up there. I mean, you are planning on finishing the pie and pint first? It would be weird otherwise.
Of course...especially the pork pie....;)
Swap the pie for some Kentucky and I'm there.
Pigmy Pony
04-07-2019, 18:51
Fixed that for you!:D
No, I'm not surprised that the chav-factor in the Nantwich one was low, such is the nature of Nantwich. The chippies there serve their chips wrapped up in copies of the Telegraph... I've been to a Costa once, simply because it was downstairs from the Odeon cinema, and where we were early for seeing the film we wanted to watch, so I bought a coffee to pass the time.
If was fine, but vastly overpriced for what it was! Plus, I'm simply not into highly commercialised/branded products, and so will actively choose to avoid them. Generally, if something is heavily marketed and touted as 'trendy', I'll walk the other way and shun the masses. The same applies to well-known chain pubs or restaurants. I simply don't need or like them.
The fact is, I can make far better coffee at home much cheaper than that sold in Costa or Starbucks, so why would I bother?
I don't lead the sort of lifestyle that sees me in city centres much, or in airports or train stations, where these places tend to be, so am not subject to their 'temptation'. And if I'm out and about or go for a meal, I'll have a coffee in a proper Italian (or local Portuguese) restaurant or small, generally privately owned coffee shop, where the coffee sold is much better and also generally cheaper than in Costa!:cool:
As you can imagine, there's a Costa in Wrexham, but there are also places such as this (where I'd go if I wanted a bite of something worthwhile eating, and a quality cup of coffee): https://lot-11-cafe-and-hideout.business.site/ Pics: https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x487ac71c9c3c96cf%3A0xf7c703c517a52af1!3 m1!7e131!5sLot%2011%20Cafe%20and%20Hideout!15sCAQ&hl=en&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipOZCa4ipPvBIYCb1GKAfvlzxy6Jr bjMmZYpAjA
Feck yer Costa (or Starpukes)....
Marco.
Thing with Costa is, their product is exactly the same whichever one you go to, so if you like their coffee you're never going to be disappointed. As for the independent coffee shops you favour, getting a decent coffee (by which I mean the way you like it) can be rather a hit-and-miss affair. I've visited a LOT of independents over the years, and I would estimate it breaks down as 1/3rd good as or better than Costa, 1/3rd not quite as good and 1/3rd 'God I won't be back hear anytime soon'. And they are rarely cheaper than Costa, unless they come in a teeny-tiny cup.
When it comes to value for money, I think McDonald's coffees are hard to beat.
I suppose some may pity me for being so easy suited, but the fact is that it means getting what I like is a simple job, and I spend much of my life happy with what I've got. Someone more 'discerning' is going to be disappointed far more often, unless they just stick to visiting the same places where they know they like the product. And the law of averages say that a fair few frogs will have been kissed before a decent size database of acceptable establishments can be er, established. :)
I make my own so enjoy every time and of course cheaper
Thing with Costa is, their product is exactly the same whichever one you go to, so if you like their coffee you're never going to be disappointed. As for the independent coffee shops you favour, getting a decent coffee (by which I mean the way you like it) can be rather a hit-and-miss affair. I've visited a LOT of independents over the years, and I would estimate it breaks down as 1/3rd good as or better than Costa, 1/3rd not quite as good and 1/3rd 'God I won't be back hear anytime soon'. And they are rarely cheaper than Costa, unless they come in a teeny-tiny cup.
When it comes to value for money, I think McDonald's coffees are hard to beat.
I suppose some may pity me for being so easy suited, but the fact is that it means getting what I like is a simple job, and I spend much of my life happy with what I've got.
Someone more 'discerning' is going to be disappointed far more often, unless they just stick to visiting the same places where they know they like the product. And the law of averages say that a fair few frogs will have been kissed before a decent size database of acceptable establishments can be er, established. :)
I *totally* get that:)
But, when it comes to good coffee, it's largely about finding the variety of beans you enjoy the flavour of, then somewhere with a decent machine and someone with the ability to make a good coffee using those beans - and which is why most of us do it at home!
If you enjoy good coffee, then why don't you invest in a machine (or use a basic Moka pot, like me, which can also produce great results), buy some quality beans, and knock Costa's efforts into a cocked hat? In terms of beans, btw, Costa use Mocha Italia, which you can buy online, so that would be your starting point.
See here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Costa-Coffee-Beans-Rainforest-Original-Mocha-Italia-1kg/163737561356?hash=item261f84e90c:g:dwMAAOSwSdxc7uM Z
Buy those, and put them through a decent machine, and you'll be able to replicate a Costa coffee at home.
You can do *so* much better though, once you learn what else is out there from specialist suppliers of coffee beans, which also suits your preferences, and that makes the Costa stuff taste rather poor in comparison. Quite simply, once your palate becomes more educated and appreciates something that tastes better (to you), there's no going back... That applies not only to coffee, but also food and wine!
For me however, pretty much any specialist coffee shop, worthy of the name, that knows what they're doing and uses quality beans, I can enjoy a coffee in (espresso or cappuccino) - and from experience I can pretty much successfully judge which ones those are from looking at them from the outside [sussing what they're 'about'], and then going in the door...
McDonalds? Sorry, I'll pretend I didn't hear that!;)
Marco.
Hi Pavel,
I have to admit I've been to Starbucks, in fact I frequented this place when I was living in the US.
The key to Starbucks success is the fact that Americans simply do not understand coffee, which is a bit surprising considering that they chug it in ungodly amounts. Your average American coffee tastes like it was previously used to mop the floor. Against this background, Starbucks looks pretty decent because their basic offerings are actually drinkable.
I lived in a small town about 7 miles from DC and we had just two coffee places: Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts. Starbucks was by far the better of the two. There were some good places in DC, but few and far between. It was 6 years ago, so maybe things are different now but I have my doubts.
Obviously, there's no reason to ever visit Starbucks or its likes if you're in Europe. An average European city has more decent coffee places than the whole American East Coast.
Thanks for that insight... Most interesting!:)
I find it hard to believe though, that somewhere on the WHOLE of the American east coast, there isn't an Italian, Spanish, Greek/Turkish (or similar) restaurant/coffee shop/cafe, where there will almost certainly be quality coffee served, quite simply because their target customers (Italians, Spaniards or Greeks/Turks) wouldn't settle for anything less!!
Therefore, if I lived there, that's where I'd be going for my coffee fix, not drinking the "floor water" in question, served in American diners, or going to Starbucks;)
Marco.
Lawrence001
04-07-2019, 20:18
I might get shot down for this, but the coffee in Wetherspoons is half decent these days. And it's all you can drink for £1.50 or less.
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Pigmy Pony
04-07-2019, 20:33
I *totally* get that:)
But, when it comes to good coffee, it's largely about finding the variety of beans you enjoy the flavour of, then somewhere with a decent machine and someone with the ability to make a good coffee using those beans - and which is why most of us do it at home!
If you enjoy good coffee, then why don't you invest in a machine (or use a basic Moka pot, like me, which can also produce great results), buy some quality beans, and knock Costa's efforts into a cocked hat? In terms of beans, btw, Costa use Mocha Italia, which you can buy online, so that would be your starting point.
See here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Costa-Coffee-Beans-Rainforest-Original-Mocha-Italia-1kg/163737561356?hash=item261f84e90c:g:dwMAAOSwSdxc7uM Z
Buy those, and put them through a decent machine, and you'll be able to replicate a Costa coffee at home.
You can do *so* much better though, once you learn what else is out there from specialist suppliers, which also suits your preferences, and that makes the Costa stuff taste rather poor in comparison. Quite simply, once your palate becomes more educated and appreciates something that tastes better (to you), there's no going back... That applies not only to coffee, but also food and wine!
For me however, pretty much any specialist coffee shop, worthy of the name, that knows what they're doing and uses quality beans, I can enjoy a coffee in (espresso or cappuccino) - and from experience I can pretty much successfully judge which ones those are from looking at them from the outside [sussing what they're 'about'], and then going in the door...
McDonalds? Sorry, I'll pretend I didn't hear that!;)
Marco.
Ah ok, that makes sense now, I thought visiting unfamiliar establishments would be a bit trial and error, but I guess knowing your beans and method will take most of the guesswork out of it.
I daresay that with the info I could glean from these pages, and a half decent machine, I could have a decent stab at it. But said halfway decent machine may have to wait a while, there's other things need attending to.
We never actually 'go out for a coffee', it's just somewhere to take the weight off for half an hour when out and about, and watch the world go by :)
McDONALDS! McDONALDS! did you still not hear it :D
Ah ok, that makes sense now, I thought visiting unfamiliar establishments would be a bit trial and error, but I guess knowing your beans and method will take most of the guesswork out of it.
I daresay that with the info I could glean from these pages, and a half decent machine, I could have a decent stab at it. But said halfway decent machine may have to wait a while, there's other things need attending to.
Absolutely! Here's what I use: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bialetti-Venus-Induction-Espresso-Maker/dp/B0009Q1DSS along with one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/VAVA-Functionality-Operation-Temperature-Non-Stick/dp/B06XRDFDW5/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_79_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=C3AKC807FVZCYKVBNK2Z and these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hario-Medium-Coffee-Grinder-Ceramic/dp/B001802PIQ
Not exactly a lot of dosh, and would soon be paid for with the money saved from all those Costas!;)
And I produce results like this with cappuccinos and macchiatos:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/0liktC.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/4aKMOU.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/aAocnJ.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/2BdMwX.jpg
We never actually 'go out for a coffee', it's just somewhere to take the weight off for half an hour when out and about, and watch the world go by :)
Don't really get the difference:scratch: Surely when you're "out and about" you can still choose the best place to enjoy a coffee, rather than merely what's most convenient? We're rarely in towns long enough to need a 'rest', as it were... We'd far rather get what we need, ASAP, then fuck off home to relax!
McDONALDS! McDONALDS! did you still not hear it :D
I'm sure I just heard someone swearing....
Marco.
McDonalds? Sorry, I'll pretend I didn't hear that!;)
Have to agree with Steve, McDonalds coffee is very acceptable (and reasonable) and equally importantly consistent - I only drink black coffee, so can’t vouch for their cappuccinos or lattes etc., but very acceptable when I’m on the road.
Lol, well "acceptable" is entirely subjective and based upon what you're used to!;) Plus, I don't really like what McDonalds, or indeed other fast-food chains of their ilk, stand for. They could serve the best coffee in the world, and I still wouldn't go there, simply out of principle.
And some folk find Pizza Hut or Domino pizzas "acceptable":spew:
:nono:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
04-07-2019, 22:40
Have to agree with Steve, McDonalds coffee is very acceptable (and reasonable) and equally importantly consistent - I only drink black coffee, so can’t vouch for their cappuccinos or lattes etc., but very acceptable when I’m on the road.
Look at that Marco, you're outnumbered already! Two votes of confidence by people who have actually tried Maccy D coffee, vs one vote by someone who hasn't :ner: Sometimes a product isn't simply popular because the rest of the world are clueless but because that product is quite good and vfm. and there are a lot of people who recognise that.
And when you're on the move, and wanting to get there with minimal fuss, these places are just well, there. They score well by being ubiquitous, highly visible, convenient and consistently good enough. Stick an independent at a Motorway services or on the A-roads roundabouts, and I'll give them a shot.
The 'out and about' I referred to earlier, is when we are out for the day doing some shopping/sightseeing or on holiday or whatever, NOT when doing a 'big shop'. That's entirely different, a case of get it done then bog off home :)
Don't mind Subway coffees too :)
Lol, well "acceptable" is entirely subjective and based upon what you're used to!;) Plus, I don't really like what McDonalds, or indeed other fast-food chains of their ilk, stand for. They could serve the best coffee in the world, and I still wouldn't go there, simply out of principle.
And some folk find Pizza Hut or Domino pizzas "acceptable":spew:
:nono:
Marco.
Once upon a time, Pizza Hut had fair take out pizza, but no more! They put the sauce on with a paint brush, all the toppings are ground into bits, and they have to decorate the crust because it’s half the pizza! I’d rather eat the box!
Dominos has had an ad campaign that they are improving their pizza, and it is better than it was. I’ll eat it, if I’m hungry, but it’s certainly nothing to write home about. I know a few Italian restaurants in the area, owned by real Italians, that make excellent pizza! But, it all pales in comparison to my homemade pizza. A shame, I rarely go out anymore.
Russell
Pigmy Pony
04-07-2019, 22:44
Lol, well "acceptable" is entirely subjective and based upon what you're used to!;) Plus, I don't really like what McDonalds, or indeed other fast-food chains of their ilk, stand for. They could serve the best coffee in the world, and I still wouldn't go there, simply out of principle.
And some folk find Pizza Hut or Domino pizzas "acceptable":spew:
:nono:
Marco.
Don't use those places, I like my pizza to be thin as f__k with plenty topping. And it's Italian places that do it for me, I'll give you that :)
Pigmy Pony
04-07-2019, 22:54
Absolutely! Here's what I use: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bialetti-Venus-Induction-Espresso-Maker/dp/B0009Q1DSS along with one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/VAVA-Functionality-Operation-Temperature-Non-Stick/dp/B06XRDFDW5/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_79_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=C3AKC807FVZCYKVBNK2Z and these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hario-Medium-Coffee-Grinder-Ceramic/dp/B001802PIQ
Not exactly a lot of dosh, and would soon be paid for with the money saved from all those Costas!;)
And I produce results like this with cappuccinos and macchiatos:
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Don't really get the difference:scratch: Surely when you're "out and about" you can still choose the best place to enjoy a coffee, rather than merely what's most convenient? We're rarely in towns long enough to need a 'rest', as it were... We'd far rather get what we need, ASAP, then fuck off home to relax!
I'm sure I just heard someone swearing....
Marco.
:eek: That's what you use to make cappuccinos? Impressive, and not at all expensive - I was expecting it to be costing hundreds.
Look at that Marco, you're outnumbered already! Two votes of confidence by people who have actually tried Maccy D coffee, vs one vote by someone who hasn't :ner: Sometimes a product isn't simply popular because the rest of the world are clueless but because that product is quite good and vfm. and there are a lot of people who recognise that.
Sure, and I accept that. I'm just not one of them - and never will be!:D
As I said, it's not just about the coffee, but what those sorts of places stand for [gross commercialism], and so where possible I prefer supporting small family-run businesses. I abhor how giant corporate food/coffee chains have spoiled (and in some cases killed) our high streets, so refuse to help fund them! Sometimes you have to step outside of your own immediate world/priorities, and look at the bigger picture.....
And when you're on the move, and wanting to get there with minimal fuss, these places are just well, there. They score well by being ubiquitous, highly visible, convenient and consistently good enough. Stick an independent at a Motorway services or on the A-roads roundabouts, and I'll give them a shot.
Different lifestyles. mate. I avoid motorways like the plague, and indeed any roads that are busy or congested. Remember that I don't have to go anywhere unless I *want* to, and when I do go out in the car, I can choose the day and time, i.e. when the riff-raff are usually at work and things are quiet!:D:eyebrows:
The 'out and about' I referred to earlier, is when we are out for the day doing some shopping/sightseeing or on holiday or whatever
So surely on occasions like that, there must be better coffee-drinking options available than Costa or McDonalds? Aside from any form of coffee shop, trust me, some of the best coffee you'll ever drink in the UK (aside from your own, if you do it right) is in a decent Italian restaurant, as they'll have a proper machine, quality beans, and chances are, someone who knows how to do it right...
Therefore, if we're out for the day or on holiday, that's type of place we'll target for a nice coffee, and also have some lunch at the same time. A case in point was today, when I took my dad out for lunch at our local Portuguese restaurant, where not only the coffee is superb (as Portuguese people LOVE their coffee just as much as Italians, and know how to do it right) but the food!
A mere £8 for their 3-course lunch, which consists of a starter, main course (which today was pan-fried pork fillet steaks in a tomato and onion sauce, served with hand-cut chips and a substantial (nicely dressed) salad, dessert (homemade chocolate mouse, which was divine), *including* a bottle of Sagres (or Super Bock) beer (or glass of wine) and a DOUBLE espresso!
How much is a double espresso, on its own, in Costa?;)
Plus, the service is friendly and efficient, we know the owners well, and they come and chat with us at the table. That sort of personal touch is important to me, and adds to the pleasantness of the experience. I like being treated like a person/valued customer, rather than merely a 'number', which is how I'd feel sat in Costa or McDonalds. And I hate that!
It's just a different way of looking at things:)
Marco.
:eek: That's what you use to make cappuccinos? Impressive, and not at all expensive - I was expecting it to be costing hundreds.
Lol, it can do, easily, and if you spend more, in the RIGHT way, as the likes of Grant or Justin have on semi-professional machines, the results are even better.... But - with a bit of experience and effort (hand-grinding beans is a labour of love and quite time-consuming), you can achieve the above and what I've just shown:)
Marco.
Once upon a time, Pizza Hut had fair take out pizza, but no more! They put the sauce on with a paint brush, all the toppings are ground into bits, and they have to decorate the crust because it’s half the pizza! I’d rather eat the box!
Dominos has had an ad campaign that they are improving their pizza, and it is better than it was. I’ll eat it, if I’m hungry, but it’s certainly nothing to write home about. I know a few Italian restaurants in the area, owned by real Italians, that make excellent pizza! But, it all pales in comparison to my homemade pizza. A shame, I rarely go out anymore.
Too right, Russell. Nothing beats your own, if you know how to do it right, particularly the base. With pizza, base is king! And you really need a wood-fired oven to do it right. But you can still get good results with a normal oven, or a pizza stone, on a BBQ.
Toppings are of secondary importance. I could always eat a pizza with decent (although not particularly special) toppings, and a great base (thin and crispy and where you can taste the flavour imparted on the dough by the wood oven), but never one with a shit base (too thick and stodgy and that tastes of nothing) and the finest toppings... The base is the foundation for most of the flavour!
In Italy, we enjoy eating focaccia, which when done right/traditionally is simply a wood-fired thin pizza base, rubbed with a fresh garlic clove, and with NOTHING on it, other than some quality extra-virgin olive oil, drizzled on top, plus fresh rosemary sprigs and rock salt... And it's delicious! :cool:
Marco.
Shovel_Knight
05-07-2019, 07:54
I find it hard to believe though, that somewhere on the WHOLE of the American east coast, there isn't an Italian, Spanish, Greek/Turkish (or similar) restaurant/coffee shop/cafe, where there will almost certainly be quality coffee served, quite simply because their target customers (Italians, Spaniards or Greeks/Turks) wouldn't settle for anything less!!
Therefore, if I lived there, that's where I'd be going for my coffee fix, not drinking the "floor water" in question, served in American diners, or going to Starbucks;)
Marco.
Hi Marco,
I didn't say there were no good coffee places in the US -- there are some! I remember there was a really great coffee shop in DC right in the Chinatown and another one on I Street if I remember correctly. But I definitely wasn't going to travel to downtown DC every time I wanted a cup of coffee :D
Now Europe as a whole is on a different level, even pretty rundown places such as Belgrade have amazing coffee readily available. When we were on holidays in Serbia, I was surprised that almost every bakery had a big coffee machine, they all served excellent espresso and served it properly -- with a glass of chilled (but not icy!) water...
For what it's worth, I live in Ireland which is not known for its great coffee traditions and I have two decent and two excellent coffee places within the walking distance of my apartment. So yes, no reason at all to ever visit Starbucks. Unless you want to use their restroom :lol:
Once upon a time, Pizza Hut had fair take out pizza, but no more! They put the sauce on with a paint brush, all the toppings are ground into bits, and they have to decorate the crust because it’s half the pizza! I’d rather eat the box!
I used to like their thin crust pepperoni with anchovies but now they've stopped doing anchovies. Unbelievable. The kebab shop round the corner from me still does them so I don't know why a massive global chain can't.
Anchovies and pepperoni?
You obviously like strong, not sissy-boy flavours, dude:respect:
You do hot chillies, too?
Marco.
Anchovies and pepperoni?
You obviously like strong, not sissy-boy flavours, dude:respect:
You do hot chillies, too?
Marco.
Not anymore, stomach can't take anything spicy now.
Ah, over the years all those KFCs have rotted your stomach lining...;)
Or was it too much bevvy?:D
Marco.
dont mind a little bit of pep in food but n ot too hot now either. chillies tho
Is that why you don't eat curries?:)
I love hot, spicy food - always have done. I've been eating fresh chillies for almost 40 years, as my dad grew them in his greenhouse at home. Scotch Bonnets or Nagas are the daddies!:eyebrows:
Mum used to call me the "Tabasco Kid', because I'd sit and lick Tabasco sauce out of the bottle:eyebrows: Doesn't seem to have done me any harm!
Marco.
now i have bad asthma it affects my breathing too much now. too hot and i cant breath which isnt desirable lol
Ah I see... Sorry to hear that, dude. You certainly don't have your troubles to seek!:(
I can think of a few foods I don't like eating, but none that harm me or make me react badly, so I eat pretty much what I like. My dad's the same. Is a lot of the stuff that's wrong with you hereditary (i.e. did your parents suffer from such ill health) or it is just payback time now for the rock and roll lifestyle you led when you were young?;)
Marco.
Ah I see... Sorry to hear that, dude. You certainly don't have your troubles to seek!:(
I can think of a few foods I don't like eating, but none that harm me or make me react badly, so I eat pretty much what I like. My dad's the same. Is a lot of the stuff that's wrong with you hereditary (i.e. did your parents suffer from such ill health) or it is just payback time now for the rock and roll lifestyle you led when you were young?;)
Marco.
payback it seems.. not sure how much of a r&r lifestyle I had but i worked too hard, doing wrong jobs etc and it destroyed my body tbh.
:(:(
Lesson to be learned there for others, maybe?
Fortunately, I largely did the opposite, certainly when I was under the strict jurisdiction of my parents, up until my late teens! And a lot of the reason why my dad is how he is, was because of how strict his parents were with him (eat healthily, exercise plenty, no smoking, no heavy drinking, don't risk injuries/look after your body, etc), so i guess it rubs off...
Marco.
Ah, over the years all those KFCs have rotted your stomach lining...;)
Or was it too much bevvy?:D
Marco.
Too many bad pints of Marston's Pedigree. Plus all the running around I used to have to do. Stress is the killer.
Ain't that the truth, bro... Bet you're counting down the days to your retirement!:)
Marco.
Stress is the killer.
100% agree with that - stress brings on all sorts of health troubles.
Many of which will confound medical specialists. But so hard to avoid stress - even if you are laid back like I am it is difficult to “let go”.
Had mega-stress, from about 1992-1999, from the pressure of running and building up my business, and paying a huge mortgage on a 'posh' house we had, while Del was in a fairly low-paid job working in computers for Glasgow City Council, plus finding wages every week for 10-15 members of staff (sales guys and girls I had working for me at the time), and often working 17-18 hour days in the process...
Del and I hardly seen anything of each other during that time, and my health suffered. But it was worth it in the end, as I managed to earn enough money to semi-retire early, and now I have no stress whatsoever, and feel so much happier for it:)
A lot of folks would still keep going though, just to earn more and more, but for me it simply wasn't worth the stress, and I valued my marriage more, and the close relationship I wanted with my wife, than any amount of money, as did she. When you've got enough to pay the bills and live comfortably, why continue running yourself into an early grave?
Like you say Alex, making sone nice MEMORIES is worth so much more!:cool:
Marco.
Amen to that brother! You can’t take it with you...
stairpost
05-07-2019, 19:41
Had mega-stress, from about 1992-1999, from the pressure of running and building up my business, and paying a huge mortgage on a 'posh' house we had, while Del was in a fairly low-paid job working in computers for Glasgow City Council, plus finding wages every week for 10-15 members of staff (sales guys and girls I had working for me at the time), and often working 17-18 hour days in the process...
Del and I hardly seen anything of each other during that time, and my health suffered. But it was worth it in the end, as I managed to earn enough money to semi-retire early, and now I have no stress whatsoever, and feel so much happier for it:)
A lot of folks would still keep going though, just to earn more and more, but for me it simply wasn't worth the stress, and I valued my marriage more, and the close relationship I wanted with my wife, than any amount of money, as did she. When you've got enough to pay the bills and live comfortably, why continue running yourself into an early grave?
Like you say Alex, making sone nice MEMORIES is worth so much more!:cool:
Marco.
That's a great reward for your hard work, congratulations.
My boss is 70 this year, he's a multimillionare. He still "works" 6 days a week most weeks, despite the business completely outgrowing him, and now being run by several different departments, he hasn't the slightest understanding of how they work and how much work his staff do for him, but in his mind he can do everyone's job and we are all dispensable (he isn't shy about telling us that). His business has cost him his family and he has no real friends that I know of, he has a girlfriend that is considerably younger (nothing suspicious there). He has no intention of retiring so he'll just keep going to work till he drops. I would genuinely feel sorry for him if he wasn't such a nasty piece of work.
Had a boss like that once. He was an ass
That's a great reward for your hard work, congratulations.
My boss is 70 this year, he's a multimillionare. He still "works" 6 days a week most weeks, despite the business completely outgrowing him, and now being run by several different departments, he hasn't the slightest understanding of how they work and how much work his staff do for him, but in his mind he can do everyone's job and we are all dispensable (he isn't shy about telling us that). His business has cost him his family and he has no real friends that I know of, he has a girlfriend that is considerably younger (nothing suspicious there). He has no intention of retiring so he'll just keep going to work till he drops. I would genuinely feel sorry for him if he wasn't such a nasty piece of work.
Thanks, Rich. Your boss though, is a very sad man...
However, you tend to find that with a lot of multi-millionaires, as to get into that financial position, unless you've won the money on the Lottery or inherited it, will almost certainly have involved tramping on a few toes, and in the process making enemies - but worst of all, is the effect the continual 'drive' to be ever more successful and make more and more money, will have had on your marriage and/or relationship with your kids.
Quite simply, you can't throw your heart and soul into your job without it impacting negatively on your personal life (something has to give, as there are only so many hours in a day), which is why the world is full of lonely millionaires, whose 'lives' revolve around work, because out with of their expensive material possessions, they don't have anything else (other than often failed relationships and kids who resent them), and so will work until they drop to escape from having to face facts.
They fool themselves into thinking that they're 'workaholics' and love their jobs, when often the reality is something quite different and rather more depressing....
The fact is, they're working simply to hide their deep-down unhappiness, and often also to make up for the effects of an unhappy childhood, when they too were neglected by their parents. That's why many millionaires are rather unemotional 'cold fishes', simply because they've put all their energy into making money and building their careers, rather than nurturing their personal relationships with their friends and/or family.
And often they don't realise that they're in that position before the damage has been done and it's too late to fix it.
Marco.
stairpost
05-07-2019, 21:02
Thanks, Rich. Your boss though, is a very sad man...
However, you tend to find that with a lot of multi-millionaires, as to get into that financial position, unless you've won the money on the Lottery or inherited it, will almost certainly have involved tramping on a few toes, and in the process making enemies - but worst of all, is the effect the continual 'drive' to be ever more successful and make more and more money, will have had on your marriage and/or relationship with your kids.
Quite simply, you can't throw your heart and soul into your job without it impacting negatively on your personal life (something has to give, as there are only so many hours in a day), which is why the world is full of lonely millionaires, whose 'lives' revolve around work, because out with of their expensive material possessions, they don't have anything else (other than often failed relationships and kids who resent them), and so will work until they drop to escape from having to face facts.
They fool themselves into thinking that they're 'workaholics' and love their jobs, when often the reality is something quite different and rather more depressing....
The fact is, they're working simply to hide their deep-down unhappiness, and often also to make up for the effects of an unhappy childhood, when they too were neglected by their parents. That's why many millionaires are rather unemotional 'cold fishes', simply because they've put all their energy into making money and building their careers, rather than nurturing their personal relationships with their friends and/or family.
And often they don't realise that they're in that position before the damage has been done and it's too late to fix it.
Marco.
You have just described him perfectly.
He creates his own misery; he is rarely considerate to his staff so we save our support and kindness for those we care about. I know from the odd moment of what seems like honesty from him over the years that he is lonely, but 99% of the people in his life are his staff, and he treats us so disrespectfully that no one has any wish to reach out to him.
I work with a great bunch of people in a job that's within walking distance (I can't drive). The pay is insulting for the responsibilities I have, but I do my job to the best of my abilities every day, sadly it's despite him not because of him. But! It's a job, and these days they are worth hanging on to.
Too right, Russell. Nothing beats your own, if you know how to do it right, particularly the base. With pizza, base is king! And you really need a wood-fired oven to do it right. But you can still get good results with a normal oven, or a pizza stone, on a BBQ.
Toppings are of secondary importance. I could always eat a pizza with decent (although not particularly special) toppings, and a great base (thin and crispy and where you can taste the flavour imparted on the dough by the wood oven), but never one with a shit base (too thick and stodgy and that tastes of nothing) and the finest toppings... The base is the foundation for most of the flavour!
In Italy, we enjoy eating focaccia, which when done right/traditionally is simply a wood-fired thin pizza base, rubbed with a fresh garlic clove, and with NOTHING on it, other than some quality extra-virgin olive oil, drizzled on top, plus fresh rosemary sprigs and rock salt... And it's delicious! :cool:
Marco.
I’ll agree, after I get my crust pressed into the pan, I make a sauce with oregano and fresh garlic. Then mozzarella and Parmesan, and onions and green pepper. That is my base. I may add many things, but if all I have are the onions and green peppers, Im happy. Pepperoni, or Italian Sausage, (my favorite), are most welcome, and if I’ve got them, mushrooms and black olives, anchovies on rare occasion, it’s all good! It’s driving me crazy because I haven’t had one since before my surgery! I’ve got another month before I can stand to eat one, I’m guessing. I haven’t consumed alcohol, no Italian food, or Mexican, it’s maddening! But something to look forward to, to be sure.
Russell
You have just described him perfectly.
He creates his own misery; he is rarely considerate to his staff so we save our support and kindness for those we care about. I know from the odd moment of what seems like honesty from him over the years that he is lonely, but 99% of the people in his life are his staff, and he treats us so disrespectfully that no one has any wish to reach out to him.
I work with a great bunch of people in a job that's within walking distance (I can't drive). The pay is insulting for the responsibilities I have, but I do my job to the best of my abilities every day, sadly it's despite him not because of him. But! It's a job, and these days they are worth hanging on to.
That sounds a bit like my Brother-in-law’s father. He owned a Crane company, had a wife and 3 kids. His wife died of cancer, and he immediately disowned his 3 children! He married some younger woman, (she’s not all that, with his money he could have done better) and her and her daughter are spending his money as fast as they can. My Bro-in-law went to his office, to try and patch things up, and the old fool slipped out the side entrance! He sold the company for $9 million, but still works as the President. He’s over 80 years old! Making money is all he knows, and it has poisoned his life! He lives in suspicion that everyone only pretends to like him for his money, his paranoia has destroyed his relationship with his children, I honestly feel sorry for him! And I may be the farthest thing from rich, but if being rich does that to a man, I’m glad I’m not rich.
Russell
stairpost
06-07-2019, 14:03
That sounds a bit like my Brother-in-law’s father. He owned a Crane company, had a wife and 3 kids. His wife died of cancer, and he immediately disowned his 3 children! He married some younger woman, (she’s not all that, with his money he could have done better) and her and her daughter are spending his money as fast as they can. My Bro-in-law went to his office, to try and patch things up, and the old fool slipped out the side entrance! He sold the company for $9 million, but still works as the President. He’s over 80 years old! Making money is all he knows, and it has poisoned his life! He lives in suspicion that everyone only pretends to like him for his money, his paranoia has destroyed his relationship with his children, I honestly feel sorry for him! And I may be the farthest thing from rich, but if being rich does that to a man, I’m glad I’m not rich.
Russell
It's like a madness isn't it? My boss insists on counting every last nut and bolt he gets an invoice for. I know it would be terrible business sense to just give money away, but there has to be a point where good sense is replaced by paranoia.
I agree about how some people handle wealth. I wish I had more financial sense, but at least I know when I die my friends will turn up at my funeral to mourn me, not just to be there when the money is counted.
That sounds a bit like my Brother-in-law’s father. He owned a Crane company, had a wife and 3 kids. His wife died of cancer, and he immediately disowned his 3 children! He married some younger woman, (she’s not all that, with his money he could have done better) and her and her daughter are spending his money as fast as they can. My Bro-in-law went to his office, to try and patch things up, and the old fool slipped out the side entrance! He sold the company for $9 million, but still works as the President. He’s over 80 years old! Making money is all he knows, and it has poisoned his life! He lives in suspicion that everyone only pretends to like him for his money, his paranoia has destroyed his relationship with his children, I honestly feel sorry for him! And I may be the farthest thing from rich, but if being rich does that to a man, I’m glad I’m not rich.
Russell
I'd like to give it a go, just to see whether the money turned me into A Bad Person.
walpurgis
06-07-2019, 14:13
I'd like to give it a go, just to see whether the money turned me into A Bad Person.
The money certainly makes it easier for A Bad Person to be one. Hmm, the name Robert Maxwell just sprang to mind.
Robert Maxwell was OK, he just had bad press
Pigmy Pony
06-07-2019, 16:28
Robert Maxwell was OK, he just had bad press
Yeah, anyone who thinks Robert Maxwell was a Bad Person should take a long hard look in The Mirror
I blame the judges, they have the power to tell the lawyers to stop wasting the courts time with such nonsense
I agree. I've long thought this.
Parliament is full of lawyers which is why we have this ambulance-chasing crap to begin with. And the PM at the time it was allowed to start was a lawyer too.
Round here they cut all the trees down because too many people were claiming for tripping over the tree roots. Too expensive to contest the claim so it's just payday after payday. And wasn't exactly Beverly Hills to begin with either. Unintended consequences eh?
Makes you think though, when stone age man was being chased by a sabre-tooth tiger if he tripped on a tree root he was done for. So he looked where he was bloody-well going. Society 'evolves' and now we have spice zombies tottering into the road in front of cars. At least we've got the big screen tellies. They can't take that away from us.
I'd like to give it a go, just to see whether the money turned me into A Bad Person.
I have a pretty good idea that I’d be a womanizing, substance abusing, revenge seeking type, if I had the money! So, probably for the best that I don’t play the lottery?
Russell
Parliament is full of lawyers which is why we have this ambulance-chasing crap to begin with. And the PM at the time it was allowed to start was a lawyer too.
Round here they cut all the trees down because too many people were claiming for tripping over the tree roots. Too expensive to contest the claim so it's just payday after payday. And wasn't exactly Beverly Hills to begin with either. Unintended consequences eh?
In the US, we have what is called, “Winning the Ghetto Lottery”, anyone who claims Police Brutality usually settles out of court for big money! Whether the police are guilty or not, just to prevent riots and public destruction.
The man’s name slips my mind, but this man robbed a convenience store, a cop tried to arrest him, they struggle, he tries to take the officer’s gun, the officer gets control of the gun and shoots him dead. But the news interviewed eye witnesses, who were later found they weren’t there at all, who claimed he had his hands in the air and the cop just shot him for no reason! There was a huge riot! Looting stores, burning cars, assaulting people. Much later Body cam footage revealed the truth. The officer had to move to another state! And the police settled out of court, gave his parents $35 million dollars! Talk about setting a bad precedent! Since then, everybody and their brother sues the police for brutality. And the media is complicit in stirring up this trouble for law enforcement.
Russell
In the US, we have what is called, “Winning the Ghetto Lottery”, anyone who claims Police Brutality usually settles out of court for big money! Whether the police are guilty or not, just to prevent riots and public destruction.
The man’s name slips my mind, but this man robbed a convenience store, a cop tried to arrest him, they struggle, he tries to take the officer’s gun, the officer gets control of the gun and shoots him dead. But the news interviewed eye witnesses, who were later found they weren’t there at all, who claimed he had his hands in the air and the cop just shot him for no reason! There was a huge riot! Looting stores, burning cars, assaulting people. Much later Body cam footage revealed the truth. The officer had to move to another state! And the police settled out of court, gave his parents $35 million dollars! Talk about setting a bad precedent! Since then, everybody and their brother sues the police for brutality. And the media is complicit in stirring up this trouble for law enforcement.
Russell
All the cops round here have body cameras now and they're rolling it out around the country. They make a TV show out of the footage.
Yeah, anyone who thinks Robert Maxwell was a Bad Person should take a long hard look in The Mirror
Very good lol
All the cops round here have body cameras now and they're rolling it out around the country. They make a TV show out of the footage.
Oh, we’ve got the body cams too! But for some reason the cops never release the footage until after the riots die down.
A very peculiar one, cops stopped a car on an overpass, and a man from the back seat goes over the rail, falls to his death! His sister was on the news, crying and screaming about how the cops threw her brother over the railing! They grabbed him by the seat of his pants and threw him! Two weeks later, the body cam footage showed him opening the back door, and leaping over the railing! I guess he didn’t think it was so far down? He wasn’t even in trouble, and he wasn’t in possession of anything, he had no reason to run!
But that’s how it is these days, resist the police at all cost. Have the police ever just given up and let someone go? As Eddie Murphy said, “if the cops have to chase you down, they’re bringing an ass whipping!”.
Russell
Pigmy Pony
07-07-2019, 12:29
Although cops wearing body cams will be mostly a good idea, I think it may also contribute to the lack of respect for the police which is prevalent these days. They can no longer give the scrotes a slap as the cams are recording everything. And the scumbags know it.
This lack of respect extends to teachers and well, pretty much everybody, Since the laws changed to say you can no longer pick up a delinquent yoof by his ears before launching him across the room, there really aren't any deterrents in place.
walpurgis
07-07-2019, 12:35
Yep. Gone are the days when the rozzers could give you a clumping for being lippy. These days all they can do is insult you by calling you 'Fellah' instead of addressing you as Sir!
Its a difficult job, often made harder by their own bad apples. It was much simpler in old days, although probably the same issues occured, just were not publicised.
My uncle was a copper. First in the military police, then a woodentop, then a detective. His beat used to be Toxteth, Liverpool 8 where he was known to the locals as 'Noddy' due to his habit of headbutting anyone who gave him lip. No warning, just butt them.
His view was that back then they knew who all the scrotes were and it was all about keeping them off the streets by fair means or foul, even if that meant extracting a confession by force.
It didn't matter whether they were guilty of that particular crime or not, they would still be guilty of something else, possibly something the police didn't even know about. So he figured it was fair enough.
He thought the Police And Criminal Evidence act was the 'Worst thing that ever happened to policing in this country' as it put a stop to all that carry-on. I've mixed feelings about that even now but no question he was a highly experienced police officer so you couldn't really take his opinion lightly. And according to old people crime was much less widespread back then.
My uncle was a copper. First in the military police, then a woodentop, then a detective. His beat used to be Toxteth, Liverpool 8 where he was known to the locals as 'Noddy' due to his habit of headbutting anyone who gave him lip. No warning, just butt them.
His view was that back then they knew who all the scrotes were and it was all about keeping them off the streets by fair means or foul, even if that meant extracting a confession by force.
It didn't matter whether they were guilty of that particular crime or not, they would still be guilty of something else, possibly something the police didn't even know about. So he figured it was fair enough.
He thought the Police And Criminal Evidence act was the 'Worst thing that ever happened to policing in this country' as it put a stop to all that carry-on. I've mixed feelings about that even now but no question he was a highly experienced police officer so you couldn't really take his opinion lightly. And according to old people crime was much less widespread back then.
That’s how I remember it when I was young. Your best bet was to avoid the law as best you could! Because any interaction was bound to end badly.
Back then it was known that if the cops yelled “Feeeze”, and you ran, they’d shoot you! And no one would say a bad thing about it. If a cop took a dislike to you, he may plant evidence on you! I young man I knew was passed out from drinking too much, in the back of a friend’s van. When he awoke in lockup, both his eyes were swollen shut, a few chipped teeth, and broken ribs, apparently the police were unable to wake him? The judge didn’t bat an eye, fined him $50.
Those days are gone! A case I saw on the news that concerned me, a suspect, who had already shot one person in a car jacking, was running away from police with pistol in hand. The officer shot him in the back, and they tried the officer for murder! What about public safety? What’s to say he wouldn’t have shot someone else around the next corner? I just don’t get it. I forget the outcome, but the officer should have never had to deal with it. Too much politics in police work these days, I wouldn’t be a police officer today for any money.
Russell
My uncle was a copper. First in the military police, then a woodentop, then a detective. His beat used to be Toxteth, Liverpool 8 where he was known to the locals as 'Noddy' due to his habit of headbutting anyone who gave him lip. No warning, just butt them.
His view was that back then they knew who all the scrotes were and it was all about keeping them off the streets by fair means or foul, even if that meant extracting a confession by force.
It didn't matter whether they were guilty of that particular crime or not, they would still be guilty of something else, possibly something the police didn't even know about. So he figured it was fair enough.
He thought the Police And Criminal Evidence act was the 'Worst thing that ever happened to policing in this country' as it put a stop to all that carry-on. I've mixed feelings about that even now but no question he was a highly experienced police officer so you couldn't really take his opinion lightly. And according to old people crime was much less widespread back then.. Love it !. As Jack Reagan once famously said in the Sweeney.. He s Carter, I m Reagan AND YOUR NICKED. No reading the human right s act nonsense with Jack :lol:
Pigmy Pony
07-07-2019, 21:36
My uncle was a copper. First in the military police, then a woodentop, then a detective. His beat used to be Toxteth, Liverpool 8 where he was known to the locals as 'Noddy' due to his habit of headbutting anyone who gave him lip. No warning, just butt them.
His view was that back then they knew who all the scrotes were and it was all about keeping them off the streets by fair means or foul, even if that meant extracting a confession by force.
It didn't matter whether they were guilty of that particular crime or not, they would still be guilty of something else, possibly something the police didn't even know about. So he figured it was fair enough.
He thought the Police And Criminal Evidence act was the 'Worst thing that ever happened to policing in this country' as it put a stop to all that carry-on. I've mixed feelings about that even now but no question he was a highly experienced police officer so you couldn't really take his opinion lightly. And according to old people crime was much less widespread back then.
Regarding that last sentence, a couple of points:
1. Back then, most of us had nothing worth nicking, and
2. despite some disagreement last time I suggested this, I do believe that most of our street crime is drug-related on some level. The people involved are way more afraid of the guys they're working for than anything the police and courts can do to them. Proper support for people with drug problems, funded through the sale of said drugs through licensed outlets has got to be worth a try, as nothing else is working
Firebottle
08-07-2019, 06:19
Steve your point 2 is absolute common sense, unfortunately that took a huge nose dive when all the political correctness came in.
I'm all for the president of Uruguay giving carte blanche for drug pushers to be shot on sight, I wonder if they could do that here?
(Liking the new T shirt)
walpurgis
08-07-2019, 07:01
I'm all for the president of Uruguay giving carte blanche for drug pushers to be shot on sight, I wonder if they could do that here?
They should do it for littering and fly tipping.
Minstrel SE
08-07-2019, 07:09
I think we have a nanny state but not where it matters. I would haul drug users off for some sort of forced rehab..anyone thats a menace to society. Less of the there there and more of you're coming for help whether you like it or not
Its difficult one because I like to think Im very liberal but am I really? We need some order in this society.
This PC thing is being used in a malicious way. I had someone accusing me of being homophobic last night because the bar was closed and I was seeing to other people.
Almost laughable in its immaturity but deeply sinister at the same time. I had to play it down without offence and report it to my manager
Regarding that last sentence, a couple of points:
1. Back then, most of us had nothing worth nicking, and
2. despite some disagreement last time I suggested this, I do believe that most of our street crime is drug-related on some level. The people involved are way more afraid of the guys they're working for than anything the police and courts can do to them. Proper support for people with drug problems, funded through the sale of said drugs through licensed outlets has got to be worth a try, as nothing else is working
That would be my solution too. What we have now is just like during prohibition in the USA, a multi-billion pound industry with no regulation and no taxation, and the rival gangs knocking each other off to get a bigger share of the pie. People are never going to stop using coke and weed so there needs to be a realistic solution to that.
Regarding that last sentence, a couple of points:
1. Back then, most of us had nothing worth nicking
Speak for yourself!;)
Oh and I also favour Martin's uncle's approach to policing. It was undoubtedly far more effective.
Marco.
P.S Like your new avvy... Have you got one 'brewing' now?:eyebrows:
My uncle was a copper. First in the military police, then a woodentop, then a detective. His beat used to be Toxteth, Liverpool 8 where he was known to the locals as 'Noddy' due to his habit of headbutting anyone who gave him lip. No warning, just butt them.
His view was that back then they knew who all the scrotes were and it was all about keeping them off the streets by fair means or foul, even if that meant extracting a confession by force.
It didn't matter whether they were guilty of that particular crime or not, they would still be guilty of something else, possibly something the police didn't even know about. So he figured it was fair enough.
He thought the Police And Criminal Evidence act was the 'Worst thing that ever happened to policing in this country' as it put a stop to all that carry-on. I've mixed feelings about that even now but no question he was a highly experienced police officer so you couldn't really take his opinion lightly. And according to old people crime was much less widespread back then.
Re the last point, my mother was always going on about there being no crime when she was a lass. Then she'd regale us with stories about the woman next door whose husband was always in and out of jail for knocking her about, and about the dodgy goings-on of my aunt's employer who ran a coach business which was a cover for illegal betting, selling black market goods, and so on. There was plenty of crime, but much of it was regarded as getting one over the authorities and hence not really criminal. And here's Ringo Starr on life in the Dingle in the late '40s early '50s: 'Adding to their difficult circumstances, violent crime was an almost constant concern for people living in one of the oldest and poorest inner-city districts in Liverpool.[31] Starkey later commented: "You kept your head down, your eyes open, and you didn't get in anybody's way.' My father used to tell us about walking home along the Dock Road after doing a late shift: 'There was a pub on every corner, and a fight outside every pub. You just kept on walking and didn't get involved'.
Best policy in those days, and even now, when you're in someone else's 'manor'... Same also applies when you're on holiday abroad in foreign cities. The last thing anyone with a brain wants to do is 'stand out' in the wrong way. Blend into the environment, as inconspicuously as possible, is the one!
Marco.
Re the last point, my mother was always going on about there being no crime when she was a lass. Then she'd regale us with stories about the woman next door whose husband was always in and out of jail for knocking her about, and about the dodgy goings-on of my aunt's employer who ran a coach business which was a cover for illegal betting, selling black market goods, and so on. There was plenty of crime, but much of it was regarded as getting one over the authorities and hence not really criminal. .
Pretty much. Added to which locals tended to sort out their own problems without involving the police at all. Someone caught thieving would get a good hiding for example. Someone knocking their wife or girlfriend about would get a 'visit' from her father and/or brothers. Reporting any of that to the authorities was 'grassing' and would also result in a beating.
walpurgis
08-07-2019, 12:36
Added to which locals tended to sort out their own problems without involving the police at all
Some of us still do!:chainsaw:
Its generally pretty quiet where I am; even my last street was quiet, although it was going downhill .. This one is not what it was either, as older folk die off and incomers appear and dont keep the place tidy or quiet. Seems to be a modern disease.. I can do what i want and fcuk my neighbours attitude sadly.
Still, its better than most.
Pigmy Pony
08-07-2019, 18:50
Speak for yourself!;)
Oh and I also favour Martin's uncle's approach to policing. It was undoubtedly far more effective.
Marco.
P.S Like your new avvy... Have you got one 'brewing' now?:eyebrows:
Cheers, I've had the t shirt since the 80's, on the front it says CHOOSE LIFE in giant letters, but I always thought the back was a bit plain. Didn't cost much to have printed, and it's only fair I warn people :)
Pretty much. Added to which locals tended to sort out their own problems without involving the police at all. Someone caught thieving would get a good hiding for example. Someone knocking their wife or girlfriend about would get a 'visit' from her father and/or brothers. Reporting any of that to the authorities was 'grassing' and would also result in a beating.
I’ve often said about modern society, when these abused and molested women and their families are crying because her attacker has gotten off Scott free due to some technicality, I’m wondering why it ever got to court? Where are her men folk?
When there was such a case on TV, I instructed my wife and daughter that if any man ever laid hands on them, to tell me, and no one else. Whatever the cops have for him is not sufficient. And if no one knows but me, then I’m not even a suspect. But if you call the cops, and he gets off, and then you do something, you’re obviously the first suspect. People depend on the government to handle all of their problems, and then are upset when they screw it up. Since when has the government ever done anything different?
Russell
Pigmy Pony
13-07-2019, 14:27
Easy for you to say, with your .38 special, but on this side of the pond we are more dependant upon our fighting skills, of which I have none :( But you are correct, justice is far too important to be left in the hands of the police and courts. Better to say nowt, and quietly do what needs done.
Your comment about the government being no use reminds me of something a wise man once said: "What have the Romans ever done for us?" :D Now where did I hear that?
Plus, of course, taking the 'DIY' approach to revenge attacks too far leads to honour killings and the like.
Easy for you to say, with your .38 special, but on this side of the pond we are more dependant upon our fighting skills, of which I have none :( But you are correct, justice is far too important to be left in the hands of the police and courts. Better to say nowt, and quietly do what needs done.
Your comment about the government being no use reminds me of something a wise man once said: "What have the Romans ever done for us?" :D Now where did I hear that?
I had an old friend who used to say, “nothing a ski mask and a baseball bat can’t fix”. Sometimes you’ve just got to get their attention.
Russell
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