Jerry's Hifi Blog - part the 2nd [Archive]

jandl100

24-06-2019, 16:35

I was getting a bit confused with two folks posting about their own systems on a single blog thread, so I thought I'd leave Justin to it and move over to a separate space.

Anyone who wishes to catch up on the history of my system can find extensive coverage starting back in 2008 here (https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?1236-Justin-Jerry-s-Hifi-Blog).

To summarise the position since 2010, my system has focussed on my MBL 116f speakers. My ideal speaker, really. Omni-directional carbon fibre petals arranged in a tangerine-like pattern upwards of 600Hz or so, side firing conventional drivers 650Hz downwards. In their 10th year now and I remain a happy bunny with them. Previously, speakers had generally been swapped out every few months.

https://i.imgur.com/1oRhZAS.jpg

The rest of the system comes and goes and is subject to change without notice. :)

Analog went the way of the dinosaur a few years ago (after dumping and re-starting with vinyl 4 or 5 times I have finally managed to ditch it for good. Honest.)

For my source, I stream from the internet these days, I have subs to both TIDAL Hifi and Spotify Premium atm.

Current DAC is a Benchmark DAC1 HDR. Seen here atop my fairly recently departed Trigon monoblocks.

https://i.imgur.com/hXRMqun.jpg

There is a bit of a competition at the moment amp-wise between a Crayon CFA-1 28wpc and a Krell 400xi 200wpc, both integrated amps.

https://i.imgur.com/91dhiwC.jpg

The Crayon does subtle detail and 3D imaging par excellence, the Krell comes a reasonably close second in these but adds seemingly limitless dynamics and effortless power.
I'm keeping both for now, with the Krell undergoing a few days of continuous warm-up to see what it really can deliver in terms of finesse.

Cables - DNM Resolution speaker cables. RS Audio Duet interconnects (a curious silver/palladium hybrid) with the Krell and Black Cat Neo Morpheus with the Crayon. Mains cables are Belden 19364 all round. USB signal direct from my laptop handled by Wireworld Starlight.

jandl100

24-06-2019, 16:39

As well as the MBLs in my main system, I also have a pair of Podium 0.5 panel speakers.
After getting on for 10 years with the MBLs I find that a break of a few days now and then works well to refresh the synapses a little.

https://i.imgur.com/hjnMKPI.jpg

A Jamo SUB200 subwoofer adds a little needed substance to the lower octaves.

The ideal amp for these seems to be a little Taiwanese el84 valve integrated that came my way a couple of years ago.
They work wonderfully well together.

https://i.imgur.com/1xqN7DT.jpg

jandl100

24-06-2019, 17:07

A 3rd system, some miles away, has the rather unusual but enjoyable Infinity Cascade 9 speakers, fed by one of the TPA3116 class D t-amps favoured by Geoff (walpurgis), and an Audiolab MDAC. Once again all is usually fed by internet streaming.

A Jamo SUB200 features here as well.

https://i.imgur.com/pPG1Ccj.jpg

struth

24-06-2019, 17:17

So a new solo thread Jerry.

Some great gear there

Alex_UK

24-06-2019, 17:25

Looking good Jerry. The box swapping does seem to have slowed down, maybe not to a trickle, but not the torrent it once was! ;)

I'm amazed you came over to the "Dark Side" with streaming. Did you keep all your vinyl? I hardly ever play records these days, but I couldn't part with my collection...

jandl100

24-06-2019, 17:28

Hi Alex
Nope, all LPs sold. No going back now. Yay.

thingfish

24-06-2019, 17:31

The horror! The horror!

:mental:

User211

24-06-2019, 17:33

I don't want your second hand thread (tongue out emoticon).

Besides you invited me over.

But I know, I know - it is tough to live alongside obvious superiority.;)

Alex_UK

24-06-2019, 17:34

Hi Alex
Nope, all LPs sold. No going back now. Yay.

:eek: Well, indeed, no going back now! Glad you're enjoying file based audio. :thumbsup:

jandl100

24-06-2019, 18:59

I recently decided that my MBLs, now in their 10th year, deserved a bit of a treat. A new pair of speaker platforms. :)

Rather than pay audiophile prices I looked at what the pro market had to offer, and that led me to Auralex speaker platforms, specifically their Propad XL, which just happens to be the right size.
They're a 3 layer arrangement - foam/MDF/rubber and the mounted speaker wobbles around a bit when gently prodded. -- and I placed a sheet of cardboard underneath to allow them to be slid around without too much hassle (how's that for thinking ahead!).

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41HwFjWbOLL._SR600%2C315_PIWhiteStrip%2CBottomLeft %2C0%2C35_PIAmznPrime%2CBottomLeft%2C0%2C-5_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I wasn't looking forward to putting the 45Kg speakers on to them, but it turned out to be not much bother at all.

https://i.imgur.com/vgDPi9X.jpg

Really pleased, obvious improvement immediately compared to the granite slabs they had previously stood on.
I thought the sound was nicely detached from the speakers before. Well, this shows that there is always room for improvement!
And everything is more vivid and present.
And the soundstage / imaging. Woof!

Happy 10th Year, to my MBLs. :cheers:

Lawrence001

24-06-2019, 19:22

Whenever you mentioned MBLs I had pictured a Naim speaker maybe a successor or big brother to the SBL.. Now I've seen what they are I understand how your speaker swapping exploits were ended!!

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Firebottle

24-06-2019, 19:33

I do like the look of that LA Audio amplifier Jerry.

I heard a Benchmark DAC1 in a room at Cranage and was mighty impressed, was surprised at the age of the design.

jandl100

24-06-2019, 19:35

jandl100

24-06-2019, 19:41

I heard a Benchmark DAC1 in a room at Cranage and was mighty impressed, was surprised at the age of the design.

Yes, I was very pleasantly surprised how good it sounds. The best DAC I've had in my system by a fair margin.

I'm on the lookout, in a low key kind of way, for a used DAC3 which is the current model, I think. Although it's said by some to be a bit laidback compared to the DAC1, which makes me a bit wary.

antonio

25-06-2019, 07:08

Very interested in your Auralex ProPads, quite a bit cheaper than the Townshend bars we're successfully using here.

jandl100

25-06-2019, 07:40

Very interested in your Auralex ProPads, quite a bit cheaper than the Townshend bars we're successfully using here.

Yes, it was other folks' positive experience with the Townshend Podium stands that inspired my search for a cheaper alternative.
I've not come across the Townshend bars.

I have no way of comparing the effectiveness of Auralex and Townshend products, but certainly the verbal descriptions of the benefits are remarkably similar.
The larger Propad XL seems to be rarely stocked in the UK, I was lucky enough to come across a dealer selling his last pair at half price. :)

hornucopia

25-06-2019, 09:28

I had my Townshend Glastonbury speakers sitting on.......Wine Corks.....for a while, once.
Corking sound?

I like cork for vibration cutting. Used on space shuttles apparently (though for heat resistance) and I like Iberian cork oak forests.

jandl100

25-06-2019, 12:15

Wobbling the speakers worked well, so I am now wobbling the amp. :)

Using these springy things, as recommended by a kind and thoughtful AOSer ...

https://i.imgur.com/FhFlvOZ.jpg

To produce this (a springy thing at each rear corner as well) ...

https://i.imgur.com/0VruRGy.jpg

My goodness, just the same type of improvement as in wobbling the speakers.
More vivid and present. Imaging more 3D and, err, vivid. That word again.
Wobbliness seems to de-constrain the sound.

Macca

25-06-2019, 12:33

If you're going to abuse that Krell with foo then I don't want it! :eek:

jandl100

25-06-2019, 12:41

Heh.
At the moment it is no longer for sale.
It definitely seems to like wobbling.

hornucopia

25-06-2019, 21:31

OK. Now try using Corks....go on, I dare you! (-:

jandl100

26-06-2019, 02:52

OK. Now try using Corks....go on, I dare you! (-:

OK, corks in.

And out again.
Not a patch on pukka springy things.
Not very stable, either. :eek:

hornucopia

26-06-2019, 20:21

Good to have a page where things don't cost, or are 'Flavor(sic) of the month'.
Cork has its uses elsewhere.

Happy listening.

jandl100

29-06-2019, 08:51

PG Wodehouse, as ever, put it well and succinctly...

"... there is always something very restful about a duck. Whatever earthquakes and upheavals may be afflicting the general public, it stands aloof from them and just goes on being a duck".

brian2957

29-06-2019, 08:59

Just to confuse things a little https://www.thespruce.com/duck-species-list-385436 .:D

jandl100

30-06-2019, 10:09

Headphone system #2

https://i.imgur.com/jYMwpQ0.jpg

Source 1 - Chromecast Audio controlled from my phone.
Source 2 - Aiwa portable CD player!
> Sonneteer The Bard's Headspace
> Topping VX1 amp/headphone amp
>1 Stax SR3 / SRD5
>2 Beyerdynamic DT880

jandl100

30-06-2019, 10:10

#1 headphones - Fostex TH600 (with a Benchmark DAC1 HDR DAC/headphone amp)

https://i.imgur.com/nIQeSLO.jpg

Discopants

01-07-2019, 06:44

Are you going to try floating your DAC next Jerry ?

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jandl100

01-07-2019, 08:30

Are you going to try floating your DAC next Jerry ?

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I do have another set of floaters on order, but I think the DAC might be too small and light. I will give it a try, though.
The Plan was to try it under my Airlink balanced main supply. :mental::eyebrows:

Discopants

01-07-2019, 09:24

From what I've read power supplies gain much benefit from vibration isolation. In fact lots of folks reccomended to float those, second to speakers. I'm using black ravioli mk 1 and oak cones on mine but hoping to try bigger stack of ravioli.

I've floated everything including my cisco network switch. Also on black ravioli and oak cones, as is my amp.

I did my whole system in 1 go and liked the results. Might try some different stuff like these springs then I can stack my ravioli higher.

You could experiment with some weight added to the top of your DAC. I think the loading is important with sprung devices.

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jandl100

01-07-2019, 09:36

Aha, so you are a confirmed floater.
Yes, I'd heard good things about physically isolating power supplies, I look forward to hearing what happens!

User211

01-07-2019, 09:37

Got a link for da spring fings?

Fancy shoving some under the Lampi.

struth

01-07-2019, 10:00

i tried springs once. made it just a bit bioingy:eek:

jandl100

01-07-2019, 10:29

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4pcs-CD-Player-AMP-Speaker-Turntable-Isolation-Feet-Stands-Spring-Machine-Mats/272292781072?pageci=15e86f66-891d-4686-adb1-66018099a72f

hornucopia

01-07-2019, 14:37

Reminds me of the 70s/80s, when using blocks of Lead was suggested, on amps etc.
I still have some -used as arm exercisers!

User211

01-07-2019, 14:47

Most hi-fi stands provide pretty terrible isolation. My Atacama vibrates a lot even with 130-140 KG of kit on it.

Lead hi-fi stands could be the way forward:D

jandl100

12-07-2019, 18:07

A new DAC to try out.
Not that large, but surprisingly hefty.

https://i.imgur.com/gIDYcVg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/d7B6LO5.jpg

Yulong DA8.
Used with its preamp section turned off.

Very powerful and controlled bass.
Soundstage/imaging seems very pleasing.
Not so upfront as my Benchmark DAC1, a bit less 'zing' and excitement to the sound, so I will allow a bit of time for acclimatisation, but enjoying it so far.

hornucopia

13-07-2019, 14:02

As a KISS set-up, it'd be interesting to hear if the pre-amp bit is any good as well?

jandl100

13-07-2019, 17:37

As a KISS set-up, it'd be interesting to hear if the pre-amp bit is any good as well?

Well, both of my main amp options - the Crayon and the Krell - are integrated, so the KISS approach requires that the DAC's preamp section should be bypassed!
But yes, a power amp would be an interesting thing to try with it - the Yulong DAC-pre is not remote controlled, though.

Actually, I suspect the Krell will be up for sale soon!

hornucopia

14-07-2019, 12:36

You're right, though running it through as a 'tape' input would give an idea of how it sounded.

paulf-2007

14-07-2019, 19:47

I have been using a smaller yulong dac for about ten years. Optical, coaxial and usb in. Seen some of the later bigger more expensive units for sale but haven't felt the need to part with my money.

Discopants

14-07-2019, 19:58

Jerry you have the DAC on springs, any difference with and without ?

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jandl100

14-07-2019, 20:35

Jerry you have the DAC on springs, any difference with and without ?

Hi Martin, it doesn't seem to wobble so much without the springs.

:eyebrows:
Sorry.

Yes, the same sort of effect with the 2 amps I have also used 'spring loaded' .... an increase in vividness, you-are-thereness.
Most noticeable with the Krell amp, I think, but also worthwhile with the Crayon amp and Yulong DAC.

User211

14-07-2019, 21:34

Nearly bought some went these in the end. Not arrived yet.

https://solidairaudio.com/shop/hifi-isolation-feet/normal-load-hifi-isolation-feet/ukishima-6-aluminium/

thingfish

14-07-2019, 21:35

I'm off over to Justin's blog.

Not that I don't like this one, it's just that Justin's is more coherent...!!!

thingfish

14-07-2019, 21:41

Shit........ where is Justin's blog.:doh:

Alex_UK

14-07-2019, 21:53

Quick tip: Try typing "Justin" & "Jerry" in the search box. :D

https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?1236-Justin-Jerry-s-Hifi-Blog&highlight=justin+jerry

thingfish

14-07-2019, 22:00

Shit, I thought Justin had his own blog.
Oh well J&J it is then.

But I'm fed up of Jerry's funny speaker choice.

Alex_UK

14-07-2019, 22:35

But I'm fed up of Jerry's funny speaker choice.

I'm sure Jerry will be mortified to hear that. :rolleyes:

hornucopia

15-07-2019, 10:21

Shit, I thought Justin had his own blog.
Oh well J&J it is then.

But I'm fed up of Jerry's funny speaker choice.

And your UNfunny choice is.....?
There are hundreds (if not thousands) of speaker makes available. Plus Jerry has had more experience than many in sampling choices.
(WE both have 'funny' speakers completely at odds with each other, but sound great-which is, after all, the function of speakers!)

jandl100

15-07-2019, 11:55

I'm sure Jerry will be mortified to hear that. :rolleyes:

https://media2.giphy.com/media/L95W4wv8nnb9K/giphy.gif

Discopants

15-07-2019, 20:42

Im sure Jerry’s speakers sound great! But they do look like patio heaters ;)

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hornucopia

15-07-2019, 20:57

One of the great speakers of all time.....Quad ELSs (57)
Look like radiators.
Looks can be deceiving? It's the result, not the ephemeral 'looks'.

jandl100

15-07-2019, 21:12

Im sure Jerry’s speakers sound great! But they do look like patio heaters ;)

Hmm, patio heaters.
Not come across that comparison before.

https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_3e68a1c8-7756-4570-8b6e-b4a818ddff85?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg

Yup, OK, I get that.

Must admit I usually think along the lines of Robby the Robot

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/90/88/b7/9088b7b1f7588217926662b8a7f5af2d--anne-francis-sci-fi-movies.jpghttp://www.soundart.com.tw/uploads/116116.JPG

Pigmy Pony

22-07-2019, 19:10

I think they look super-cool. And Nipper seems to like the sound...

Discopants

22-07-2019, 19:58

I like my DIY DNM Resolution speaker cable and jumpers Jerry

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jandl100

22-07-2019, 20:25

I like my DIY DNM Resolution speaker cable and jumpers Jerry

Yay, excellent. I'm still using mine. Very clean and focussed, I find it.
Although I have since progessed as in my signature below.

Discopants

22-07-2019, 21:32

Interesting, did you try that at Dennis’s recommendation ? He advised me to go single run, but then my speakers are 10 ohm impedance.

Clean and focussed is a good description here too, midrange especially improved, my soundstage is a bit smaller but the resolution is better. Initially i thought I lost a little top end sparkle on cymbals, but I think its actually an improvement now that I got used to it. Chimes are crystal clear and all the percussion textures are there.

Ive got some of Colin’s LS25s turning up soon and I hope they are even better but the DNM will take some beating.

Also getting some black ravioli big pads in next week , looking forward to trying them out too.

brian2957

22-07-2019, 21:46

Got a link to the DNM please .

Discopants

23-07-2019, 05:58

Got a link to the DNM please .

http://www.dnm.co.uk/cablesdetail.html

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jandl100

23-07-2019, 06:56

Interesting, did you try that at Dennis’s recommendation ? He advised me to go single run, but then my speakers are 10 ohm impedance.

No, I just thought I'd try it out - it's cheap enough for a play! It's not like a run of Nordost Valhalla where I'd have to mortgage the wife's kidneys. ;)

Actually, it's the first time ever that bi-wiring has been an improvement for me. Even clearer and more lucid.

I got mine here, Brian .... https://www.analogueseduction.net/un-terminated/dnm-stereo-solid-core-speaker-cable-new-design.html and https://www.analogueseduction.net/un-terminated/dnm-solid-core-resolution-speaker-cable.html

jandl100

23-07-2019, 07:00

Also getting some black ravioli big pads in next week , looking forward to trying them out too.

Ah, interesting - please do let me know how you get on with them.
I've not tried the latest version but some earlier BRs were a definite step back for me. They just seemed to smooth things over.

I'm not really a big footer person, but I'm using these boingy spring things atm and they are really excellent! The whole presentation becomes more vivid and alive ... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4pcs-CD-Player-AMP-Speaker-Turntable-Isolation-Feet-Stands-Spring-Machine-Mats/272292781072?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Discopants

23-07-2019, 07:08

I got mine here, Brian .... https://www.analogueseduction.net/un-terminated/dnm-stereo-solid-core-speaker-cable-new-design.html and https://www.analogueseduction.net/un-terminated/dnm-solid-core-resolution-speaker-cable.html

Precision is same price as direct from manufacturer but the resolution is cheaper if you go direct to DNM.

The DNM website is a little frustrating as its not easy to just get the unstripped basic wire price up very easily, you need to click around alot.

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jandl100

23-07-2019, 07:22

If anyone wants a cheap entry into DNM speaker cables .... https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?64860-FS-DNM-Speaker-cables-2m-pair-banana-plugs
:whistle: :lol:

They are what got me started on the things.
The more recent ones are even better (but not hugely) and these are terminated and ready to go! :)
(I won't be able to post them until Friday).

brian2957

23-07-2019, 07:34

I got mine here, Brian .... https://www.analogueseduction.net/un...ew-design.html and https://www.analogueseduction.net/un...ker-cable.html

Thanks Jerry , can these be used as single run cables ?

jandl100

23-07-2019, 07:37

I got mine here, Brian .... https://www.analogueseduction.net/un...ew-design.html and https://www.analogueseduction.net/un...ker-cable.html

Thanks Jerry , can these be used as single run cables ?

Yes, they are designed to cut in half!

brian2957

23-07-2019, 07:41

Excellent , thanks Jerry :)

Discopants

23-07-2019, 12:14

I use the mk1 ravioli in conjunction with oak cones and I find the combination good. Got some double pads with corian coming , not tried those yet.

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hornucopia

25-07-2019, 20:10

Synchronicity? Was just moving my 'beside the computer' speakers (Zigmahornets) and had forgotten I'd used my old THREE core DNM wire. The DNM set up I had had an Earth facility.
Soon to be shrinking my hi-fi;not using our basement any more. Dilemma as what to sell. (Dial up Ocellia in the ads to start....) New Mac arrives tomorrow, iTunes library all transferred.
Will have to get used to smaller space,and speakers!

hornucopia

30-07-2019, 15:42

Discopants

30-07-2019, 18:50

Back to system supports.
WAAAAY back, I recall an artcle in a magazine, using a bicycle inner tube between two pieces of wood being tried out (successfully!)
Pre Max Townshend even.
If folk are bothered about valve microphony, I guess the answer is.....to have the equipment in a different room to the speakers, especially if you listen at high volume?

I started off with granite chopping board over minimally inflated wheel barrow inner tube for amp and CD player. Was noticeable audible difference.

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jandl100

02-08-2019, 06:17

brian2957

02-08-2019, 06:36

That looks interesting Jerry . Not cheap though , it seems .

jandl100

02-08-2019, 07:01

£360 delivered - very good value imo.

brian2957

02-08-2019, 07:20

Ah..that's a good deal :)

Edward

02-08-2019, 07:57

There is something that Metrum do that is 'just right'. I have a different model but like you find the sound very natural and as you say free flowing. Timing, attack and decay are impeccable. The amount of detail the Metrum is able to convey is astonishing.

YNWaN

02-08-2019, 08:16

I’m really surprised you are enjoying your DNM speaker cable Jerry as, in the past, I have found it to be blooming awful stuff with heavily curtailed bass and dynamic.

jandl100

02-08-2019, 08:24

I’m really surprised you are enjoying your DNM speaker cable Jerry as, in the past, I have found it to be blooming awful stuff with heavily curtailed bass and dynamic.

It's superb to my ears.
Really open and detailed, fast and impactful.
Can't fault it!

Others here have recently tried it and come to the same kind of conclusion, I think.

jandl100

02-08-2019, 08:51

... I have gone back to the Epiphany Atratus 3, though.
Sometimes I change things and kind of lose sight of where I've already been - revisited, the At3 is as remarkable as when I first heard it!

crimsondonkey

02-08-2019, 09:03

New DAC.
Quite a fuss made of these back in the day - especially by Martin Colloms in Hifi Critic who called it a game changer and gave it a ludicrously high score for sq!

https://i.imgur.com/vMdXUj3.jpg

Metrum Acoustics Mini with Octave PSU - a NOS (non over sampling) DAC from 2011.
Cutely small (but not tiny).
Easy on the ear as it has an extended but slightly relaxed treble. Loads of detail and the 3D focussed soundstage impresses. Free flowing and expansive dynamics, aided and abetted by the aforementioned slight treble smoothness to avoid any splashiness.
Bass is very powerful, controlled and impactful - a few "Whoa!!" moments there!
It is a very good sounding DAC. I can't really fault it tbh, it just sounds very enjoyable - forget the gear, what shall I play next?

Bit of a pain that it doesn't have a headphone socket.
No valves, so Justin wouldn't like it.

I've always preferred a good NOS DAC and had a Metrum Octave some years back when they first came out. I really liked the soundstage and mids but found the LF and HF too rolled off to be a long term keeper. Really impressive when you first hear it though as it has none of that typical digital hardness.

Have you heard a DDDAC because they do all the things that the Metrum can do and more. The latest mods and tricked out PSUs for the DDDAC mean that to my ears it competes and sounds better than the very best DACs out there at the moment.

jandl100

02-08-2019, 09:11

No, I've not heard a DDDAC, I'll keep an eye out. Thanks.

I'm playing TIDAL through the Metrum, and TIDAL's a bit bright ime - so there's probably some good synergy going on there!

WESTLOWER

02-08-2019, 09:27

I've always preferred a good NOS DAC and had a Metrum Octave some years back when they first came out. I really liked the soundstage and mids but found the LF and HF too rolled off to be a long term keeper. Really impressive when you first hear it though as it has none of that typical digital hardness.

Have you heard a DDDAC because they do all the things that the Metrum can do and more. The latest mods and tricked out PSUs for the DDDAC mean that to my ears it competes and sounds better than the very best DACs out there at the moment.

David Coe (AD Audio) makes a fantastic highly tricked out DDDAC and it is very wonderful.
He combines it with his latest PSU and a valve output stage.

YNWaN

02-08-2019, 10:36

... I have gone back to the Epiphany Atratus 3, though.
Sometimes I change things and kind of lose sight of where I've already been - revisited, the At3 is as remarkable as when I first heard it!

Funnily enough, so have I. I had moved to an exotic, home made, concoction but I too have gone back to the Atratus 3. The biggest problem with this cable was the price - if it had been £500 to 1K people would have taken it a lot more seriously. Epiphany Acoustics must have bough a real of the stuff cheap because a friend and I did look at importing some but the cost was just prohibitive and it would have ended up being a £500 interconnect if it had the same plugs fitted.

Regarding the DNM, well I’m still surprised as I know I’m not alone in having a strongly negative view of the speaker cable. Perhaps you are using short runs and lower listening levels?

User211

02-08-2019, 11:04

No valves, so Justin wouldn't like it.

I might like it but I'd just think it was inflexible.

I remember Colloms going on about it but wasn't it a different one? Metrum Octave, no? Not this Mini what's it?

crimsondonkey

02-08-2019, 11:13

This is an older picture of my DAC - it is rather large due to a rather large choke psu and is probably bigger than most power amps.

https://audioabattoir.s3.dualstack.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/e/3/e36d77b345ae97b4383b1428cf75f195c62a85d7.jpeg

jandl100

02-08-2019, 12:23

Regarding the DNM, well I’m still surprised as I know I’m not alone in having a strongly negative view of the speaker cable. Perhaps you are using short runs and lower listening levels?

I'm using 2m runs.

I'm sure we are listening to very different music with very different demands and requirements.
Transparency and detail, soundstaging and image focus, micro dynamics not macro dynamics, are the name of the game for me.

YNWaN

02-08-2019, 13:07

I don’t know about our sonic priorities being all that different - they were similar enough when I recommended the Atratus to you. However, length makes a big difference with very thin cables like the DNM and 2 metres is significantly less than the 5 metres I use.

brian2957

02-08-2019, 13:26

I bought this speaker cable on Jerry's recommendation and it's excellent .

2m lengths here too :)

The Black Adder

02-08-2019, 18:29

Never tried DNM. But I'd need 7.5m

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jandl100

02-08-2019, 18:36

I might like it but I'd just think it was inflexible.

I remember Colloms going on about it but wasn't it a different one? Metrum Octave, no? Not this Mini what's it?

Mmm, no - it really was my itty bitty mini DAC that MC was raving about ....

https://www.hificritic.com/store/p88/Review%3A_Metrum_Octave.html

jandl100

02-08-2019, 18:52

Never tried DNM. But I'd need 7.5m

On current evidence and theorising, that doesn't seem to be recommended!

I also tried the current DNM interconnects and was very disappointed. The speaker cables, though, at least in short runs :thumbsup:

Whilst we're on DACs, before the Metrum turned up I had been so impressed by the previously mentioned Yulong DA8 that I invested in a Yulong DA ART Aquila.

https://i.imgur.com/bHTpPvd.jpg

(it has an AK4497 chip vs a Sabre in the DA8).

Quite a similar sound, actually. A bit firmer, more solid sounding, even better staging than the excellent DA8.
I'll be keeping both for now, I think.
Build quality impresses on both - really nicely put together!
Aquila is in use as a headphone amp.

Tbh there isn't a huge gulf between the Metrum and the Yulongs. I'll swap back sometime soon for a comparison.

Discopants

11-08-2019, 12:50

I'm using 2m runs.

I'm sure we are listening to very different music with very different demands and requirements.
Transparency and detail, soundstaging and image focus, micro dynamics not macro dynamics, are the name of the game for me.

I also was using 2m run of DNM resolution that i self terminated , it outperformed multi-strand OCC cable that retailed at 9 times the price. I found it improved tone from top to bottom and also agree with Jerry’s comments on the soundstage.

I’ve since moved on to Colin Wonfor’s LS25 which i found was like the DNM resolution but even better across the board.

One thing that may be critical to the DNM performance is that both mine and Jerry’s amps are zero feedback designs. Dennis Morecroft recommends high frequency termination networks for speaker cables used on amps that employ feedback. These add a significant cost to the speaker cable though.

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hornucopia

11-08-2019, 13:26

The things one learns on here! No plug + play then.

Lawrence001

14-08-2019, 22:48

Mmm, no - it really was my itty bitty mini DAC that MC was raving about ....

https://www.hificritic.com/store/p88/Review%3A_Metrum_Octave.htmlI bought a quad by accident thinking it was an octave as the power supply said octave on it like yours. When I realised my mistake I sold it and bought an octave. They both said mini DAC on the front, very confusing.

The only way I've found to tell the difference is the depth of the box. If you like, take a photo from above and I can confirm if it's an octave.

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jandl100

15-08-2019, 06:45

Ah, interesting.
I have to confess that I didn't even know there was a Metrum Quad DAC! :doh:

There are size measurements in the Hifi Critic Octave review and mine is 2cm shorter than the 24cm quoted in the review, so I guess mine is a Quad?
No wonder it sounds crap! :lol:
The PSU box is the same 22cm depth - so they made 2 sizes of Octave PSUs? Weird.

The eBay seller thought it was a pukka Octave - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metrum-Acoustics-Octave-NOS-DAC/223597603244?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

I'm fine with it, it sounds great. Although I am now curious! :)
I've done a bit of a Google search and haven't turned up any Quad/Octave sq comparisons although there are some very positive words about the Quad. What are the differences that you heard, Lawrence?

Edward

15-08-2019, 09:20

There is a discussion on the WAM about the quad, octave and hex.

see:

https://hifiwigwam.com/forum/topic/71745-thoughts-on-metrum-dacs-quad-octave-and-hex/

I have the hex and love it - natural sounding, clean, detailed, fast and thoroughly engaging. Tried it with normal usb and spdif. Different in character, spdif slightly more detailed. But massive improvement came when I used a dedicated paul pang usb card (powered with a linear psu) feeding the dac - more of everything and even cleaner sound - but still with that natural valve like sound.

jandl100

15-08-2019, 10:09

Thanks for the Wam link, Edward - I don't know why that didn't come up on the Google search.

So, same sort of sound, but you get closer to the concert hall platform as you go up the scale.
Must admit that my alleged-Quad DAC sounds very good, and as I age my taste in presentation does seem to be getting more laidback and my seating preference is getting to be a little further away from the performers!

Discopants

16-08-2019, 22:12

Ah, interesting - please do let me know how you get on with them.
I've not tried the latest version but some earlier BRs were a definite step back for me. They just seemed to smooth things over.

I'm not really a big footer person, but I'm using these boingy spring things atm and they are really excellent! The whole presentation becomes more vivid and alive ... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4pcs-CD-Player-AMP-Speaker-Turntable-Isolation-Feet-Stands-Spring-Machine-Mats/272292781072?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190816/ee65d5fce62ee9840b7394ab7391af71.jpg

Ok so I had these 4 singles, 3 weeks but we were going away so I lent them to a friend and I’ve now had them in my system 5 days. I placed them under my isotek sigmas g2 mains conditioner. Where I used to have 3 double stacked black ravioli mk 1 and small oak cones.
4 of the mk 1 are now under my amps feet with small oak cones. The other 2 i put between my speaker binding posts.

Day 1 , I could detect a slightly lower noise floor , more detail very slight improvement to soundstage. However the bass was seriously lacking. If I used a bass boosting voicing on my amp it was fine so i think the effect was like 2 to 3 dB loss in bass frequencies.

Day 3 all the bass is back and l think its cleaner (marginally). Bass boost voicing removed.

Day 5 and I think overall its a subtle but worthwhile improvement for the £100 I paid.Slightly lower noise floor, improved soundstage and cleaner bass are what I’ve noticed.

.

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Lawrence001

17-08-2019, 09:25

Ah, interesting.
I have to confess that I didn't even know there was a Metrum Quad DAC! :doh:

There are size measurements in the Hifi Critic Octave review and mine is 2cm shorter than the 24cm quoted in the review, so I guess mine is a Quad?
No wonder it sounds crap! [emoji38]
The PSU box is the same 22cm depth - so they made 2 sizes of Octave PSUs? Weird.

The eBay seller thought it was a pukka Octave - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metrum-Acoustics-Octave-NOS-DAC/223597603244?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

I'm fine with it, it sounds great. Although I am now curious! :)
I've done a bit of a Google search and haven't turned up any Quad/Octave sq comparisons although there are some very positive words about the Quad. What are the differences that you heard, Lawrence?Looking at the pics Jerry I'm pretty sure that's an octave the depth of the quad was noticeably shorter relative to the width. 24cm might include the switch at the front [emoji2]

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hornucopia

17-08-2019, 13:28

Discopants

17-08-2019, 14:07

There's a whole 'can of worms' about 'subtle differences' in sound. There are so many facets.
Just the fact that you KNOW you've changed something can affect you. Also, you are concentrating more.
Let alone time iof day, what you ate, how you feel (did you get annoyed by anything etc.?)

Agree... but I try to evaluate objectively, using very familiar tracks. The bass disappearing and then returning was very obvious.

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jandl100

17-08-2019, 17:33

Looking at the pics Jerry I'm pretty sure that's an octave the depth of the quad was noticeably shorter relative to the width. 24cm might include the switch at the front [emoji2]

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Hi Lawrence

Here's a side view ( the best I can do without disconnecting and moving it).
From your description, it looks quite long so I guess it is an Octave?

And as you surmised, including the sockets at the back and the switches at the front it is indeed 24cm!

So an Octave it is.
Yay. :)

https://i.imgur.com/WmaafYA.jpg

Lawrence001

17-08-2019, 20:42

Yep definitely an octave [emoji1]

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Discopants

18-08-2019, 16:12

Congratulations

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jandl100

18-08-2019, 16:14

New DAC arriving tomorrow - there should be no ambiguity about the model with this one.

mikeyb

18-08-2019, 16:33

New DAC arriving tomorrow - there should be no ambiguity about the model with this one.I'm sure it'll bring more 'light' into your system [emoji6]

Or am I way off the mark ?

Edit: ah, I see which dac it is now, looks a great bit of kit.

jandl100

19-08-2019, 11:46

New and not quite so new DACs :)

https://i.imgur.com/HOyDEuc.jpg

Edward

19-08-2019, 13:32

Ah that is where the Black Dragon flew to. :)

I was tempted.

Be interesting to read your views on how it differs to the Metrum house sound

antonio

20-08-2019, 06:49

I was interested in that one as well, looking forward to your findings.

jandl100

20-08-2019, 08:04

A few hours with it so far ...

The most immediately obvious excellence is wonderful 3D layering in depth, best I've heard. Really solid, well focussed image placement on a 3D stage.
Very detailed and fast, a really good spang on plucked instruments. (A must for me.)
Powerful and dynamic, real heft behind the sound.
Nicely rich tonality in the mids - woodwinds suitably plangent. Very nice!

Doesn't synergise well for me with gear/cables that have a tendency to brightness, definitely a wide-open sound - may have to look at amps with this DAC.

Very pleased with this, very good initial impression - I've been exploring a range of DACs recently but I may settle with this one for a while. :)
The Black Dragon has a very good rep, and I can hear why. Good DAC!

hornucopia

20-08-2019, 08:10

Flamenco on the menu....('spang'), or Fado?

jandl100

16-09-2019, 17:23

Damn.
That's my amplifier boxswapping well and truly buggered. :(

https://andreweverarddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/marantz-hd_amp1-bl-atmosphere-scaled600.jpg?w=640

https://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/54/2017/03/marantz-hd-amp1-4-2.jpg

Stock pic as it seems impossible to take a decent pic at home of this amp with its black fascia.

Ah well, there's still DACs and cables and equipment supports and mains doodads to swap.

I just can't imagine a better sounding amp for my system and my tastes.

Marantz HD-AMP1.
Class D, 35wpc (70wpc into 4 ohms).
Sorted.

It's so good, I've now bought 2 of them, one for my 2nd system as well.

struth

16-09-2019, 17:45

They are nice amps Jerry. Silver is nice too.
Not cheap but worth it

jandl100

16-09-2019, 17:47

Well, quite cheap, actually, Grant!
£899 new, available cheaper.
And £450-ish used.
I've had waaaay more expensive amps that that! :)

Puffin

16-09-2019, 17:51

Which Class D chip does it use?

EDIT: Looks like it's Hypex according to what I have found.

struth

16-09-2019, 17:57

Ess sabre dac chip

jandl100

16-09-2019, 18:00

The internal DAC doesn't sound that great - it's well worthwhile to use an external DAC of your choice into the analog inputs.
Fabulous amp, though!

struth

16-09-2019, 18:09

It might open up in a while Jerry. The one in my quad was a bit poor at beginning but it opened up and now is very good

jandl100

16-09-2019, 18:12

It might open up in a while Jerry. The one in my quad was a bit poor at beginning but it opened up and now is very good

Hmm, tricky - that means using it while it sounds quite poor in the hope that it improves after a while. :scratch:
Life seems too short for that sort of thing!

struth

16-09-2019, 18:14

Hmm, tricky - that means using it while it sounds quite poor in the hope that it improves after a while. :scratch:
Life seems too short for that sort of thing!No I used my Chinese one. But tried the quad again after a few months and was surprised it had improved. Dunno if it's powered up even when not being used. I use it all time now and is top notch

jandl100

16-09-2019, 18:23

Ah, OK, thanks Grant.

I'll give it another try in a month or so!

struth

16-09-2019, 18:28

Quad uses a Sabre32 Reference ES9018K2M chip. Amp is about same price range. About 650 or 750 with the mahogany.
Have to say the amp has improved across board with use

Lawrence001

16-09-2019, 18:31

hornucopia

16-09-2019, 18:37

Arch box swapper finds his 'Final' amp - I've told the Guardian.
Will make a change from interminable exit headlines.

User211

16-09-2019, 18:56

Class D and he likes it. From he who doesn't like class D.

Trip to brain surgeon is required. No I am not paying the bill, Jerry:D;)

jandl100

16-09-2019, 19:01

Class D and he likes it. From he who doesn't like class D.

Trip to brain surgeon is required. No I am not paying the bill, Jerry:D;)

Eh? :scratch:

I've always loved class D done well - recall my obsession with the t'ampon! (aka Amptastic Mini-T) ;)

joolz

16-09-2019, 19:07

The end of box swapping Jerry.......where are we all going to get our next bit of kit from ?

The Black Adder

16-09-2019, 19:22

jandl100

16-09-2019, 19:31

It's got the best "palpable presence" I've ever heard, Josie - and that makes the music come alive for me.

User211

16-09-2019, 19:38

Eh? :scratch:

I've always loved class D done well - recall my obsession with the t'ampon! (aka Amptastic Mini-T) ;)Yeah course I do. But you have slagged it off multiple times in the past.

jandl100

16-09-2019, 19:48

Yeah course I do. But you have slagged it off multiple times in the past.

I don't think so - I may well have posted that I wasn't enamoured of particular class D amps - the Crown XLS1500 comes to mind , and various incarnations of the TA2022 chip - but the good'uns have been much enjoyed chez-moi.

Anyhoo, the Marantz hits the spot dead centre for me.

User211

16-09-2019, 20:07

I like the looks. But not the power output. But I would say that:D

jandl100

17-09-2019, 06:07

Not a lot of watts for class d, class d watts are usually cheap. Maybe not good sounding watts though...

Yes, interesting comment.

I originally fell in love with the t-amp class D "mini amps" - typically 8wpc using the TA2020 chip - for their musicality, imaging solidity and speed with transients; palpable presence for £peanuts!

But the higher power class D I've tried just tended to smooth things over - Crown XLS1500, Virtue Audio amp, the one that 'tubehunter' put together, Topping TP60 etc.
Some folks love the smooth sound, but it's not for me.

I suspect, after thinking about it, that the Marantz may well be the first class D amp with significantly greater than 8wpc that I have really liked.

It would be interesting to try the big Audio Research and Jeff Rowland class D amps and find out how they sound, but I haven't come across those.

Opti-cal

17-09-2019, 08:04

I felt the same about Class D Jerry (smoothing important aspects over).

Tried this and have now been convinced its possible to have a good'un for peanuts . . . or at least for pistachios

I love me a T-amp too but this has more of everything.

http://www.musicalparadise.ca/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=75

Marantz looks nice. All-in-one's are becoming more appealing to me these days . . . Like Grant's Quad also.

jandl100

17-09-2019, 08:16

That's interesting, Chris. We do seem to be hearing things in the same way with class D.
The Marantz has full remote control, a very decent headphone amp and [shock horror] bypassable tone and balance controls.
And it looks seriously cute.
I do seem to have fallen deeply in love with it.

Marantz HD-AMP1 --> :kiss: <-- Me.

jandl100

25-10-2019, 13:02

I've just had a 'forum friend' round - so tidied the old place up a bit.
Good time to take some pics of the current setup! :thumbsup:

https://i.imgur.com/QYdpp76.jpg

Marantz HD-AMP1, Audiobyte Black Dragon DAC, Arcam DV137 CD transport & DVD player, Sony JB 930 minidisc player ...

https://i.imgur.com/Qwd4fQa.jpg

And the 'listening side' of the room ...

https://i.imgur.com/CD7eCK0.jpg

struth

25-10-2019, 13:05

whoa, where's the dust :eek:

very nice and comfortable jerry

Frazeur1

25-10-2019, 14:24

I like the “acoustic panel” behind the listening area, haha. :eyebrows:

jandl100

25-10-2019, 14:30

I like the “acoustic panel” behind the listening area, haha. :eyebrows:

Heehee - you got that right - the big kitty is draped over a couple of 2x4 foot GIK acoustic panels (https://gikacoustics.co.uk/product/gik-acoustics-242-acoustic-panel/). :thumbsup:

icehockeyboy

25-10-2019, 14:55

At first glance I thought the read out on the Marantz said ‘Anal 09’! [emoji23]

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brian2957

25-10-2019, 14:58

I was looking at the piccies Jerry and thought ...those speakers look familiar ...can't be , and lo and behold I was wrong :)

Looking good mate :)

I heard the Audiobyte DAC at a friend's place yonks ago , but he was using it in a headphone rig . Sounded excellent .

dantheman91

26-10-2019, 19:44

Looking fab�� see you soon.��

jandl100

31-10-2019, 07:47

New headphones - KEF M500, for the first time a tolerably comfortable pair of 'on ears', only got them yesterday but very impressed so far. Very full sounding with excellent clarity and fast dynamics.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net%2F912ab 95ad458fe767a0bdb81c3607518-768-80.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Also had an impressive set of B&O A8 'ear hook' headphones for a week or so. A bit of a bugger to get them seated right, but there's a knack to it. Very good sound.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elec-intro.com%2FEX%2F05-15-04%2FlPifPFTWFTUPpNH.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

jandl100

11-11-2019, 19:38

I've decided that life gets boring when you have too many 'destination' components.
The fun is in the journey.
So my destination Marantz amp is having a bit of a rest.

The current setup of electronics looks like this ...

https://i.imgur.com/2q909nN.jpg

A Hegel H90 integrated amp has joined the party chez Jerry.
A bit of a bonkers review, which I have to say did pique my interest, here http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/hegel-h90-integrated-amplifier/

It's got a DAC on board, but my Audiobyte sounds that important little bit better.
I've had it 5 days or so now and it is settling in nicely.
I don't think anyone would mistake the sound for an el84 valve amp - it has a rather stark and unromantic realism in the higher frequencies that takes few prisoners. But it has its own charms.

It has a vice like grip over the speakers - a mere 60wpc, but the high current delivery capability rather makes that sound a substantial underestimate.

It's fun to be amp-swapping again. :)

jandl100

14-11-2019, 09:13

walpurgis

14-11-2019, 09:19

I've sorted the Hegel H90 amp's somewhat exuberant top end, it was getting a bit annoying. Some VdH Thunderline cables between DAC and amp have hit the Synergy button.

Decent cables the Thunderline. I have a couple of short sets. Funny how cables can upset or improve the sound balance. And some still insist they make no difference.

Rosewind

14-11-2019, 11:05

I once tried a Hegel 12 Dac in my second system in the livingroom, an AVC6M all-in-one system, and the sound was way too clinical into Amphion 3L speakers. So not a good idea. Good to know that carefully matched cables can make a difference.

I love the idea of a final personal hifi system to end all personal hifi systems but I am with you in the assessment that the journey is the most interesting part. In that respect it is similar to the journey of life. We all know where that journey takes us.

User211

14-11-2019, 11:23

I've sorted the Hegel H90 amp's somewhat exuberant top end, it was getting a bit annoying. Some VdH Thunderline cables between DAC and amp have hit the Synergy button.
It's hugely enjoyable all round now.
Not that anyone seems interested. [emoji38]
... I wonder what an H190 sounds like. :scratch::eyebrows:

And here for your delectation is a seriously cute, very good sounding and ridiculously cheap headphone amp.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KFVYypCaL._SX466_.jpg

A Sabaj PHA3. Analog inputs only.
£40 from Amazon. :mental:
That'll do.Those cheap valve headphone amps are good fun as single input preamps. Just connect the headphone output to your solid state power amp to add a bit of valve magic.

I wouldn't do it in a serious system but with some small monitors it can work far better than you'd expect.

jandl100

14-11-2019, 11:23

I once tried a Hegel 12 Dac in my second system in the livingroom, an AVC6M all-in-one system, and the sound was way too clinical into Amphion 3L speakers. So not a good idea.

Ah, interesting.

I'd been curious about Hegel amps for a while, then a few weeks ago I paid a visit to a forum friend who had a Hegel 360 amp. I had taken my Marantz HD-AMP1 along, and whilst the differences weren't vast, the Hegel definitely had its head in front in some ways.
Interestingly, he had VdH cables installed! - aka Bland and Dull ... well, I guess it's all about synergy!

I love the idea of a final personal hifi system to end all personal hifi systems but I am with you in the assessment that the journey is the most interesting part. In that respect it is similar to the journey of life. We all know where that journey takes us.

Indeed. :deceased:
I'm in no rush to get to my final destination, in life or in my system!

jandl100

14-11-2019, 11:26

Those cheap valve headphone amps are good fun as single input preamps. Just connect the headphone output to your solid state power amp to add a bit of valve magic.

I wouldn't do it in a serious system but with some small monitors it can work far better than you'd expect.

Interesting, and I had thought of trying that.

I also have another bit of valve goodness heading my way - should be here tomorrow.
Watch this space. :)

jandl100

15-11-2019, 13:36

https://i.imgur.com/bIMNtms.jpg

A mega-upgraded MF X10D V3 buffer.

According to the seller ...

Upgrades:

1) High grade 'Little Pinkie SE' power supply (this replaces the original MF wall-wart).
www.rock-grotto.co.uk/musical-fidelity-vcan-vdac-vlps-power-supply.html

2) Matched pair of brand new and original Mu-Vista Valves/JAN 6112 Philips.
[The replaced ones are also ok! and included in the sale].

3) Complete X-10 v3 Upgrade Kit fitted.
www.rock-grotto.co.uk/x10v3mods.htm

4) 4x matched npn and pnp output transistors.

5) Heat sinks for new transistors. Heat transfer via Bergquist Thermal Pad, correctly torqued up.
[The temperature after a 3hr blast, measured an average 22C, well below the 150C max].

6) Strategically placed Sorbothane Domes beneath and on the pcb board, to absorb component vibration.

7) Vibration deadening pads inside the casework to minimise vibration.

8) Replaced standard signal output wires with stranded Kimber Cable.

struth

15-11-2019, 14:27

sounds a good set of upgrades.. i did the grotto upgrade on mine and it was a biggish lift.

griffo104

27-11-2019, 01:35

I've sorted the Hegel H90 amp's somewhat exuberant top end, it was getting a bit annoying. Some VdH Thunderline cables between DAC and amp have hit the Synergy button.
It's hugely enjoyable all round now.
Not that anyone seems interested. :lol:
... I wonder what an H190 sounds like. :scratch::eyebrows:

And here for your delectation is a seriously cute, very good sounding and ridiculously cheap headphone amp.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KFVYypCaL._SX466_.jpg

A Sabaj PHA3. Analog inputs only.
£40 from Amazon. :mental:
That'll do.

Using one of these with the output from my Acer Chromebook. Sounds very decent with the M40X phones but, sadly, struggles with the HD600

Still pretty good for £40

jandl100

27-11-2019, 08:02

Using one of these with the output from my Acer Chromebook. Sounds very decent with the M40X phones but, sadly, struggles with the HD600

Still pretty good for £40

Ah, right - fair warning.
I guess I've only tried it with fairly easy drive headphones.

jandl100

27-11-2019, 08:43

New speaker cables arrived yesterday - Chord Epic Super Twin.
They have a hard act to compete with, as my W&M LS-06 are sounding great with the Hegel amp.
The W&M are a bit more relaxed and warmer sounding than my Tellurium Q Silver and DNM cables, which err on the 'excitingly forward' side of the balance sheet - the W&M is an excellent match with the Hegel amp, which also errs on the excitingly forward side to my ears.

I was intrigued by the excellent reports of the Chord along with its alleged smooth top end.

Hmm, quite thick [16mm] and fairly inflexible - a bit of a bugger to route round things, it only does gentle curves.

Stock image ...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/L00AAOSw~gRVwkzw/s-l300.jpg

A big boned and bold sound. And the top end suits the system even better than the W&M, a bit of tizz that I had barely noticed is now obvious by its absence.
Very fast, high rez sound - rapid runs on a lute are beautifully deliniated but not exaggerated, this is the best I have heard from this very familiar album.
Bass is deep, noticeably powerful and very well controlled [no, not the lute ;) - big symphonic].

The only fly in the ointment atm is the imaging. Initially not as deep and 3D as the W&M, which imo excels in this regard. I've been tweaking speaker orientation a bit, so the MBLs are now pointing more forward, almost straight ahead, and that has improved things. Somewhat surprisingly for a mostly-omni speaker, I find that orientation makes a real difference.
More speaker shuffling to come, methinks. :)

paulf-2007

19-12-2019, 16:09