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Been meaning to do this for a while. ..... What Dac do you use and how high do you rate it:D
... always hard to select dacs as there are so many so might help folk
walpurgis
26-03-2019, 09:50
I have two DACs. Strictly for CD replay duties, a Monarchy Audio M22B and an M22C. I've probably owned a couple of dozen DACs, but these sound significantly better than any others I've tried.
forgot to mention mine.. a XS dac/headphone amp and an SMSL M6, also a headphone/dac, although both can be used in situ in a main system. both i find good dacs for reasonably little outlay
Grant
Over the years I have had the privilege of owning many high respected dac's, now down to six :lol:
I understand why Geoff likes the Monarchy Dac's very musical, like the Wadia 15's at the time they used Burr Brown PMC 63's which are superbly engaging and natural. I still own a Wadia 15 and Wadia 27ix just really decent musical dac's
Currently I use a TAD DA1000 which replaced a five box Esoteric set up. Currently working on a project that involves AKM's dac and it is progressing well.
Some of the new Chifi dac are quite respectable too have worked on some of the latest Gustav's and LKS they are definitely improving.
Lots of choice at the moment so the world is your oyster.
hifinutt
26-03-2019, 10:29
use a modwright modded jolida tube glass dac 3 which is super , smooth and organic . also got a bel canto 3.5vbs which has been marvellous , has remote controlled vol switch and loads of inputs . shortly going up for sale . also trying a teac hd o1 . only 3 inputs , not remote control but lifts the performance of the sonos big time . not bad for the price although when you advance tracks on the cd transport it makes little clicks which is a slight irritation
I've got an iFi nano iDSD Black Label connected to my laptop and I use it for Tidal and for my old cd collection converted to flac I now have on an external hdd. Works for me but I've never actually compared it to any other one. Suffice to say it's pants compared to my vinyl set up.
Grant
Over the years I have had the privilege of owning many high respected dac's, now down to six :lol:
I understand why Geoff likes the Monarchy Dac's very musical, like the Wadia 15's at the time they used Burr Brown PMC 63's which are superbly engaging and natural. I still own a Wadia 15 and Wadia 27ix just really decent musical dac's
Currently I use a TAD DA1000 which replaced a five box Esoteric set up. Currently working on a project that involves AKM's dac and it is progressing well.
Some of the new Chifi dac are quite respectable too have worked on some of the latest Gustav's and LKS they are definitely improving.
Lots of choice at the moment so the world is your oyster.
was reading about the akm chip that was in a dac i saw.. forgot which one tho lol.. looked to be a good one... Had a Monarchy at one time too.
use a modwright modded jolida tube glass dac 3 which is super , smooth and organic . also got a bel canto 3.5vbs which has been marvellous , has remote controlled vol switch and loads of inputs . shortly going up for sale . also trying a teac hd o1 . only 3 inputs , not remote control but lifts the performance of the sonos big time . not bad for the price although when you advance tracks on the cd transport it makes little clicks which is a slight irritation
Quite like the Bel canto dac 3. gets very good reviews. dont know of the 3.5 tho. Jolida's keep cropping up too but are rarely seen.(must be good)
I've got an iFi nano iDSD Black Label connected to my laptop and I use it for Tidal and for my old cd collection converted to flac I now have on an external hdd. Works for me but I've never actually compared it to any other one. Suffice to say it's pants compared to my vinyl set up.
seen those. i take it thats the expensive one?
I have two DACs. Strictly for CD replay duties, a Monarchy Audio M22B and an M22C. I've probably owned a couple of dozen DACs, but these sound significantly better than any others I've tried.
yup, you got me into dac swapping when i got my first Monarchy:lol:
walpurgis
26-03-2019, 11:08
yup, you got me into dac swapping when i got my first Monarchy:lol:
Shame you didn't keep that one. Not suited to streaming I guess.
Shame you didn't keep that one. Not suited to streaming I guess.Yup it was good with CD tho.
Old skool me and as I like DIY I've stuck with the TDA1541a but heavily modified. None of the commercial DACs really struck a chord with me and scope for tweaking a bit limited. Driving the TDA via I2S from a RPi opens up loads of software tweaking such as running it NOS and performing the brick wall filtering in s/w...hours of fun(!)
A Metrum Hex in main listening room and a Chevron Paradox elsewhere. Both wide open, detailed, engaging with a great sense of fluidity and 'wholeness'. The way I would like to live my life. :lol:
seen those. i take it thats the expensive one?
No it's not one of the more expensive ones. 200 GBP or thereabouts.
https://ifi-audio.com/products/nano-idsd-bl/
Cheers
Avinunca1
26-03-2019, 12:40
Very recently I bought some kit from EC Designs in The Netherlands. I bought the MOS16 Dac, UPL 16 USB-stick based WAV player and UTOS USB to Toslink converter.
The DAC has only Toslink input. MOS16 and UPL16 run on built in rechargable batteries charged via USB sockets. Although 24 bit variants are available there appears to be little to be gained in buying these much more expensive versions for most.
I am very happy with this slightly quirky but very natural sounding combination at under 900 Euros. https://www.ecdesigns.nl/en/shop/upl16
I have no connection to the manufacturer who is a long time contributor to DIY-Audio forum. I would urge anyone with similar requirements to me to give the kit a try. I was told to return the gear under the 14 day cooling off period if not satisfied but it's a keeper.
A Metrum Hex in main listening room and a Chevron Paradox elsewhere. Both wide open, detailed, engaging with a great sense of fluidity and 'wholeness'. The way I would like to live my life. :lol:
Heard of Metrum; quite expensive those. not heard of paradox tho.
Very recently I bought some kit from EC Designs in The Netherlands. I bought the MOS16 Dac, UPL 16 USB-stick based WAV player and UTOS USB to Toslink converter.
The DAC has only Toslink input. MOS16 and UPL16 run on built in rechargable batteries charged via USB sockets. Although 24 bit variants are available there appears to be little to be gained in buying these much more expensive versions for most.
I am very happy with this slightly quirky but very natural sounding combination at under 900 Euros. https://www.ecdesigns.nl/en/shop/upl16
I have no connection to the manufacturer who is a long time contributor to DIY-Audio forum. I would urge anyone with similar requirements to me to give the kit a try. I was told to return the gear under the 14 day cooling off period if not satisfied but it's a keeper.
not heard of them either. not having usb makes things a little more complex
Technics SH-X1000 DAC. A $10k statement from 1995 and comfortably, the best I've had
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Avinunca1
26-03-2019, 13:31
Heard of Metrum; quite expensive those. not heard of paradox tho.
not heard of them either. not having usb makes things a little more complex
The cunning plan is to try to do away with anything that's a potential source of interference. To connect using USB to the DAC requires the UTOS USB-Toslink device. The media storage is rather different too. The UPL will recognise USB sticks with Wav files from 99 CDs with up to 99 tracks each.
Chord Hugo TT in main system (really very good) & Beresford Caiman II for use with the laptop.
Clive197
26-03-2019, 13:45
Chord Qutest is my DAC choice. Great DAC, really smooth and detailed, love it to bits.
I know, I know, boring, it’s not expensive (relatively) and it does what it says on the box.
great stuff, keep em coming. fantastic diversity so far with no one the same :eek:
Added this purifier from ifi to my vena2 usb.. Has a nice effect and has improved it a good bit.. Good buy.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190326/012d7c0d0e4b457dd614edc2ae098fef.jpg
I wanted a half width unit to fit my rack. I use a Border Patrol NOS. Like it a lot, cost was around £1k from the manufacturer in the U.S. (an ex-Brit).
wee tee cee
26-03-2019, 15:39
The best ive heard is the Dac built into my TQ Claymore, its usb only but marries up with my Innous zen very well.
For streaming i use a seg/dorado/cca into the tqc...as a bang for buck streaming solution its excellent vfm.
Up to a few months ago was using an M2Tech Young.
Thought I'd try something different and went for an ex-demo Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (https://matrix-digi.com/en/products/318.html) and paired this with a Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 (https://matrix-digi.com/en/products/314.html). Bit of a pattern emerging here :)
Up to a few months ago was using an M2Tech Young.
Thought I'd try something different and went for an ex-demo Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (https://matrix-digi.com/en/products/318.html) and paired this with a Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 (https://matrix-digi.com/en/products/314.html). Bit of a pattern emerging here :)
the sabre in my vena is the ES9018K2M which does 127db.. that one seems to up it to 134db
scotty38
26-03-2019, 16:38
Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital is what I have and a powersupply from ebay... Seems ok to me...
Ran an M2Tech Young for a few years after moving from a Rega and various Beresfords.
Both great dacs, the modded Young bettered the Naim dac to my ears when I did a direct comparison.
Both It and the Beresford responded well to modding and improving the power supply.
Currently enjoying my PS Audio Directstream dac.
Free firmware upgrades of its FPGA, like a better dac for free every year or so.
Has the Bridge II network streamer card, so acts as a Roon endpoint, does Spotify connect, Tidal and Qobuz.
Very unique technology wise in the way it goes about things.
It sounds different...just music playing in the room.
Responds really well to good cables too, particularly balanced into its matching preamp.
I2s into it from the Oppo sounds terrific, great for both music n movies.
Better sounding than Ethernet directly into the Directstream in fact.
Happy with my modded Oppo as transport for all things digital, until PS Audio release their Octave Server.
2nd System I use the Logitech Trnsporter playing my Roon library, great dac in that an AKM AK4396 multi-bit Sigma-Delta chipset. Proper attention paid to galvanic isolation, quality of power supply all that good stuff.
Way better than a Touch, ran both for a few years.
Sounds great.
Never got on with Sabre Dacs, found them edgy and unenjoyable, one of the JKenny ones I heard I think?
the sabre in my vena is the ES9018K2M which does 127db.. that one seems to up it to 134db
Yulong Sabre DA8 DAC. Before that a Rega DAC, Cambridge Audio Dacmagic isodac, the flat one where the transport sits on top, I’m still using the transport. I also have QED DAC in the attic somewhere too. The Yulong is the best so far combining detail with listenability.
Spectral Morn
26-03-2019, 19:20
Esoteric P5, Veracity Mystra, AMR DP777, Luxman DA100.
Manicatel
26-03-2019, 19:52
Another Jolida mkiii DAC, with the modwright upgrades.
Works for me.
Previously had a Young DAC with the Avondale ps.
Unless I was in a position to spend way north of a grand on a replacement, it’s very likely I’ll stick with the Jolida.
hifinutt
26-03-2019, 20:07
wow thats great , the jolida are pretty rare in modwright form . i had the normal version off a friend and then recently bought the modwright one .
martian sunrise
26-03-2019, 20:12
Halide HD for me.
Primalsea
26-03-2019, 20:24
I’ve ended up using my Rega DAC again and not sure why I was going to sell it.
Hypnotist
26-03-2019, 20:51
Stan Beresfords latest Caimen SEG with the Dorado PSU and fed with a Linear 15v PSU. Good sound stage and separation of instruments, replaced a MF VDac and a big improvement. Well pleased with mine.
My main DAC is a Bryston BDA-1. It replaced a M2Tech Young. Not a huge difference between the two soundwise. The Bryston isn't as up front as the M2Tech, but that's not a bad thing. What I really like about the Bryston is that it a good quality DAC with lots of input choices. I've got all my digital equipment connected to it and still have inputs to spare. The Bryston is the best sounding DAC I've owned, but I'd happily live with the M2Tech.
My office system has a Peachtree DAC-IT. I've only recently put it into that system. I'd forgotten just what a lovely DAC it is (I'm rather glad it didn't sell when I advetised it recently). The Peachtree was my main DAC before the M2Tech.
The Peachtree surplanted a Musical Fidelity V-DAC (which it also did in my main system). The V-DAC is fine but has no where near as much insight and musicality as the Peachtree.
Before the V-DAC I had a Mission DAC5 - which is now in my father's system. That was a step up from using a CD in standalone mode, but the V-DAC was better.
My first DAC, which I still have, was a QED Digit.
I really ought to get round to selling the V-DAC and QED as both are surplus.
Oh. And I also have a Chord Mojo, which is very nice. Probably near the Bryston and M2Tech level - though difficult to compare as I've only ever used it with headphones. I've tried a few headphone DAC and the Mojo's on a whole different level.
Lawrence001
26-03-2019, 21:33
I've sold my Tri Vista to raise funds and I'm happy with my Teac UHD01 for now. I've got a Pink Triangle Da Capo waiting for me to collect at my local UPS collection point though [emoji3]
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Johnny nocash
26-03-2019, 21:44
great stuff, keep em coming. fantastic diversity so far with no one the same :eek:
Sorry to ruin the diversity Grant but I'm using a Xiang Sheng too. Mind you it's the 05 model so technically harmony restored🙂
Esoteric P5, Veracity Mystra, AMR DP777, Luxman DA100.
The Veracity Mystra dac is a nice looking thing. All your stuff is high end Neil
Diversity is still strong. Not many doubles, and some very smart equipment
Ran an M2Tech Young for a few years after moving from a Rega and various Beresfords.
Both great dacs, the modded Young bettered the Naim dac to my ears when I did a direct comparison.
Both It and the Beresford responded well to modding and improving the power supply.
Currently enjoying my PS Audio Directstream dac.
Free firmware upgrades of its FPGA, like a better dac for free every year or so.
Has the Bridge II network streamer card, so acts as a Roon endpoint, does Spotify connect, Tidal and Qobuz.
Very unique technology wise in the way it goes about things.
It sounds different...just music playing in the room.
Responds really well to good cables too, particularly balanced into its matching preamp.
I2s into it from the Oppo sounds terrific, great for both music n movies.
Better sounding than Ethernet directly into the Directstream in fact.
Happy with my modded Oppo as transport for all things digital, until PS Audio release their Octave Server.
2nd System I use the Logitech Trnsporter playing my Roon library, great dac in that an AKM AK4396 multi-bit Sigma-Delta chipset. Proper attention paid to galvanic isolation, quality of power supply all that good stuff.
Way better than a Touch, ran both for a few years.
Sounds great.
Never got on with Sabre Dacs, found them edgy and unenjoyable, one of the JKenny ones I heard I think?
i saw a used Nu Wave dac of theres. looks nice
..... What Dac do you use and how high do you rate it:D
Currently using a Focusrite Saffire mixer - originally bought to transfer vinyl to digital via the inbuilt ADC but lately find the DAC section as good to my ears as my Quad Vena (and the Audiolab Q-Dac that the Vena replaced)
The various in/out mixer options on the Focusrite also give me a versatility I haven't encountered in other set ups.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7838/33602341778_b7df03e382.jpg
julesd68
27-03-2019, 14:44
I'm still enjoying my Topping D30.
Cost 90 quid but sounds like a lot more!
Using an Audial Model S, which is TDA1541A based, non-oversampling (unless I want to do it in DSP). It just gets out of the way. No haze or grain or fatigue. Transport is the Allo DigiOne Player, running Moode, with a BNC cable. To be honest, the DigiOne made a much bigger difference than I expected, in a good way...
Also have a Theta DS Pro Progeny that needs a minor repair to an RCA socket. Lovely musical DAC.
Beobloke
27-03-2019, 19:48
Marantz CDA-94.
It makes some subtle improvements to the CD-94 on its own but, more importantly, they look good stacked together!
RobsterD
27-03-2019, 21:04
Yamamoto YDA-01 up and running and sounding very sweet
I have got a Naim V1 DAC, pre & headphone amp as well. Like it a lot. Goes to DSD 128. I use Audirvana+. These combination is very good for my ears.
For the HT system I use Apple TV - not so good in sound but convenient.
https://i.imgur.com/oOqfMR1h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LBLGZxNh.jpg
Marantz CDA-94.
It makes some subtle improvements to the CD-94 on its own but, more importantly, they look good stacked together!
Nice. :)
Yamamoto YDA-01 up and running and sounding very sweet
Looks very well designed inside. :)
It will respond well to a low jitter source. My DAC uses the same receiver chip as yours, no reclocking etc. Minimal. :)
I've got a well modified Musical Fidelity X-DAC, the funny round one. It's got some quite exotic giblets inside. Smooth relaxed sound but no loss of speed and detail when it counts.
Primalsea
28-03-2019, 08:08
I also have. tascam 2x2 usb audio interface that makes a decent usb dac too. Balanced outputs which are variable that allow you to set the best volume to send to the preamp.
Antinchip
28-03-2019, 13:24
Main system: Beresford Bushmaster MKII (AEX, Pure i-20 dock, Micromega Stage 4)
Office system: Hifi-me USB (laptop)
Muse TDA-1543 (currently unused)
(Legacy) Cambridge Audio Dacmagic 2 (currently unused)
Its been a great thread this. Barely any xover, and so many ways to skin that cat. Of all the dacs Ive tried, there are few mentioned either. I reckon i could spend my life trying dacs if i had the cash
Caiman seg with supercap and clock modifications.
maxrob200
28-03-2019, 23:42
Metrum Onyx DAC. Lovely sounding DAC. Makes you tap your feet and get up and dance.
Metrum Onyx DAC. Lovely sounding DAC. Makes you tap your feet and get up and dance.
Looks like a great one, the latest generation of Metrum DACs are very interesting.
ianlenco
29-03-2019, 09:49
I've got an Eastern Electric Minimax in my system
http://i66.tinypic.com/16c3zaa.jpg
It's the best DAC I've owned and there's been a few. The addition of Burson Opamps improved it further.
https://i.imgur.com/hst8hiBh.jpg#gWPQG
Although it has a switchable valve buffer stage I marginally prefer the Minimax without this in circuit.
Lawrence001
29-03-2019, 12:14
Just picked up my PT da capo dac. It's stunning, I've not heard anything as good in my system before. Forget sucking all available resolution from the source material, it just sounds so natural and makes the music flow. Walks all over my modded MF Tri Vista, Metrum Octave and anything else I've owned or tried.
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Just picked up my PT da capo dac. It's stunning, I've not heard anything as good in my system before. Forget sucking all available resolution from the source material, it just sounds so natural and makes the music flow. Walks all over my modded MF Tri Vista, Metrum Octave and anything else I've owned or tried.
Sent from my BLN-L21 using TapatalkThis does not surprise me; the search for greater resolutions is only one part of the story
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Lawrence001
29-03-2019, 12:56
I get the impression that most developments in the chips themselves are about extracting more resolution from the digital stream so I pay far more attention to power supplies, output stages etc. Having said that, there are various dac modules for the da capo and some apparently are not much cop so I'm not claiming the dac chip itself can be completely disregarded.
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I get the impression that most developments in the chips themselves are about extracting more resolution from the digital stream so I pay far more attention to power supplies, output stages etc. Having said that, there are various dac modules for the da capo and some apparently are not much cop so I'm not claiming the dac chip itself can be completely disregarded.
Sent from my BLN-L21 using TapatalkMy DAC from 95 is engineered in exactly the way you mention.
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Opti-cal
29-03-2019, 14:01
Currently (still) enjoying both my:
Musical Paradise MP-D1 mk2
and
Jolida Glass FX III
both tube output, WE 396a and Raytheon 5755 (reliability controlled) respectively.
Both have volume knobs which I find very useful for volume matching. My amps sound good at most volumes, but can sound exceptional in one "sweet spot" which can be way too loud with the DAC's in "fixed" (full volume) mode.
Both DAC's also have upgraded caps, Mundorf/Solen.
Best I've heard having been through maybe 15-20 others. Not the last word in detail but very analogue, enough so that I forget/don't notice its digital.
Would love to hear their latest versions with DSD capability etc but I'm saving for an MC and SUT . . . .
PS Audio Directstream for me (it's the third PS audio DAC i've had, previous one was a Cullen circuits modified that i preferred to an opus 21 set up) I A/B'd it when i went to audition and it was Night/Day better. As previously stated, free firmware update every year or so = an even better dac.
Transport is an old Denon 2910 DVD player with a clock thrown in it - it's as good as anything else i've tried (not tried any of the PS audio perfectwave / directstream though)
I've been using a Calyx 24/192 with a cheap Chinese LPS and it has always sounded good to me. Would be interested how it compares with the latest Chinese ones in the £1000 to £1500 range.
Ninanina
29-03-2019, 19:45
I'm using a Naim Dac
The Naim Dac is fed from a Naim CD5XS but to be honest I've never even tried the cd alone so cannot comment on it
I think Naim have now discontinued the 'full' Dac and only supplying the Dac V1 which is a different beast altogether
Ammonite Audio
29-03-2019, 21:00
I'm using a Naim Dac
The Naim Dac is fed from a Naim CD5XS but to be honest I've never even tried the cd alone so cannot comment on it
I think Naim have now discontinued the 'full' Dac and only supplying the Dac V1 which is a different beast altogether
I'm using a Naim DAC-V1 and when fed digits via a Mutec MC-3 +USB digital interface and re-clocker, its performance is really rather lovely, being colourful, dynamic, detailed and organic sounding as well as having a good dose of Naim timing prowess. Proper audiophile stuff! Without the Mutec, the Naim DAC-V1 is still good for the money, but not in audiophile territory.
Ninanina
29-03-2019, 21:06
I'm using a Naim DAC-V1 and when fed digits via a Mutec MC-3 +USB digital interface and re-clocker, its performance is really rather lovely, being colourful, dynamic, detailed and organic sounding as well as having a good dose of Naim timing prowess. Proper audiophile stuff! Without the Mutec, the Naim DAC-V1 is still good for the money, but not in audiophile territory.
Hi Hugo
I've not heard the V1 Dac but I'm sure it is very good indeed
I've only had experience of the 'full' Naim Dac which I love and wouldn't be without fed by the 5XS, I love it
Magna Audio
29-03-2019, 21:27
Interesting reading what everyone uses..
I use a WAF Najda (apparently pronounced Naashda).
It also does DSP, X/O and time alignment, feeding 4 or 5 channels (if you have the 5 the channel expansion board).
So it's really 4 or 5 DACs and an active preamp and feeds my 5 active amps / horn loaded drivers.
It has Burson Op Amps, Linear PSUs to both the 12-0-12v and 5v supplies it requires.
I feed it analogue via my Technics SP-10 or Stream Spotify via RPi and Allo Kali reclocker (which tidies up the RPi rubbish clocking) and feeds directly into Najda's I2S input.
I2S is the best way to get a digital signal in. The RPi and Kali also have linear PSUs.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/cbc2f525b755127c8873ee7d01f6bb78.jpg
Lid off (this is before linear PSUs and RPi / Kali)..
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Interesting reading what everyone uses..
I use a WAF Najda (apparently pronounced Naashda).
It also does DSP, X/O and time alignment, feeding 4 or 5 channels (if you have the 5 the channel expansion board).
So it's really 4 or 5 DACs and an active preamp and feeds my 5 active amps / horn loaded drivers.
It has Burson Op Amps, Linear PSUs to both the 12-0-12v and 5v supplies it requires.
I feed it analogue via my Technics SP-10 or Stream Spotify via RPi and Allo Kali reclocker (which tidies up the RPi rubbish clocking) and feeds directly into Najda's I2S input.
I2S is the best way to get a digital signal in. The RPi and Kali also have linear PSUs.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190329/cbc2f525b755127c8873ee7d01f6bb78.jpg
Lid off (this is before linear PSUs and RPi / Kali)..
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I2S:thumbsup:
Lawrence001
30-03-2019, 10:35
Just picked up my PT da capo dac. It's stunning, I've not heard anything as good in my system before. Forget sucking all available resolution from the source material, it just sounds so natural and makes the music flow. Walks all over my modded MF Tri Vista, Metrum Octave and anything else I've owned or tried.
Sent from my BLN-L21 using TapatalkAfter 30 mins or so one channel started distorting, got worse as it warmed up, very disappointed as it sounded so nice at first. There was also a distinctive "cooking" smell emanating from it. Good job I used PayPal goods.
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I had the TEAC UD-H01, now I have the little Meridian Explorer 2 USB DAC, and I'm soon to try out (Sunday) the onboard DAC on the XTZ AP100D3 amp that is on its way.
Used to own the Audiolab M DAC+ which I thought couldn't be bested in my set up, but now got an RME ADI2 and it's fantastic! well worth it at twice the price
After 30 mins or so one channel started distorting, got worse as it warmed up, very disappointed as it sounded so nice at first. There was also a distinctive "cooking" smell emanating from it. Good job I used PayPal goods.
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It appears that a lot of PT gear hasn’t aged well. Shame.
Been using the Lite Audio DAC83 (https://darko.audio/2011/01/lite-dac-83-4-x-burr-brown-pcm1704uk/) for a few years, along with the Lite Audio LT-1 transport. Lite Audio provide(d) DACs to Monarchy Audio who release them under their own brand.
The DAC83 uses 4x 1704UK DAC chips (which are true 24 bit DACs and actually are two DACs in each mono chip). The power supply is outboard (on the left, third shelf in the photo) and connected by two umbilical cords. The output stage is balanced and uses the same amplifying devices that were used in the original Audio Innovations Alto amp, and is Class A. Transport connections are AES-EBU, RCA, Toslink, I2S (RJ45) and either at 44.1kHz or 96kHz. Audio outputs are wither AES-EBU or RCA. Lite Audio also have a separate RCA to USB converter, one of which I have but have not yet used. Often listen to CDs via I2S, upsampled to 96kHz but also use a glass fibre Toslink cable for 44.1kHz and also sounds great.
Prior to this, I had a Marantz CD7 and a SONY SCD-1. The DAC 83 comfortably supercedes them. If I were looking for a replacement - and I am not - I would want to consider a vintage multibit Esoteric or Spectral of some kind.
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Been using the Lite Audio DAC83 (https://darko.audio/2011/01/lite-dac-83-4-x-burr-brown-pcm1704uk/) for a few years, along with the Lite Audio LT-1 transport. Lite Audio provide(d) DACs to Monarchy Audio who release them under their own brand.
The DAC83 uses 4x 1704UK DAC chips (which are true 24 bit DACs and actually are two DACs in each mono chip). The power supply is outboard (on the left, third shelf in the photo) and connected by two umbilical cords. The output stage is balanced and uses the same amplifying devices that were used in the original Audio Innovations Alto amp, and is Class A. Transport connections are AES-EBU, RCA, Toslink, I2S (RJ45) and either at 44.1kHz or 96kHz. Audio outputs are wither AES-EBU or RCA. Lite Audio also have a separate RCA to USB converter, one of which I have but have not yet used. Often listen to CDs via I2S, upsampled to 96kHz but also use a glass fibre Toslink cable for 44.1kHz and also sounds great.
Prior to this, I had a Marantz CD7 and a SONY SCD-1. The DAC 83 comfortably supercedes them. If I were looking for a replacement - and I am not - I would want to consider a vintage multibit Esoteric or Spectral of some kind.
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nice
Used to own the Audiolab M DAC+ which I thought couldn't be bested in my set up, but now got an RME ADI2 and it's fantastic! well worth it at twice the price
yeah they are nice dacs; well thought of
Stryder5
30-03-2019, 17:20
Had the Jolida Glass FX Tube DAC II currently running Siemans valves, had it quite a while has the Clarity caps upgrade. Very analogue sound quality.
The reports on the Topping D30 made me interested, bought one used, sounded good. So connected via Linear Power Supply. Surprisingly good performance hike.
Different SQ but very listenable.
Gary
hifinutt
01-04-2019, 11:03
yes , jolly shame they don`t sell them anymore in UK
Landloper
01-04-2019, 13:54
Currently using a Beresford SEG with a Longdog Linear Supply, a Starting Point Systems DAC 3 [NOS TDA 1543], and an Audiolab M-DAC. The last, also the most expensive, is the one I prefer the least. Other models I've owned include the Beresford Caiman II, which I liked, an Arcam rDAC [a great DAC in some respects, but ruined by an overbearing bass], an HRT Microstreamer [excellent for portable duties with a laptop when away from home], and a Behringer UCA 2002 [unbelievable performance for £20].
Currently using a Beresford Caiman 11 with a recently added on dorado power supply thanks to Stan and it sounds really good to me now particularly with the recent chip upgrade [emoji106]
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Dylanthecat
08-04-2019, 16:04
I have a Theta DS Pro on a system that performs very well.
I have been looking closely at the Gustard DAC X26 for streamed source Tidal/ ripped CDs etc.
jandl100
08-04-2019, 16:52
DAC de jour is a Benchmark DAC1 HDR - it's a very good remote controlled preamp as well.
A good bit of design Jerry, my friend came down last month and we streamed from his MacBook into that unit and it is almost certainly the best sound I have heard.
jandl100
08-04-2019, 17:07
A good bit of design Jerry, my friend came down last month and we streamed from his MacBook into that unit and it is almost certainly the best sound I have heard.
Thanks, Dennis.
The excellence of the sound came as a surprise to me as well.
It wasn't the incremental improvement I had been hoping for, but a major step up.
It would seem that the Absolute Sound review was pretty much spot on - http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/benchmark-media-systems-dac1-hdr-preamplifier-tas-204/
“Super-clean, super-clear, super-quiet, super-transparent.”
Yup, can't argue with that.
Ken Rockwell measured pretty much technical perfection, too. https://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/benchmark/dac1-hdr.htm
MICROMEGA Duo 2. It's the only one i've ever used to be honest so can't compare. Sounds good to me but am sure there's better out there.
Yorkshireman
12-04-2019, 07:31
BMC Audio DAC 1 PRE, much prefer this one to my previous Dac's (Bel Canto 3.5vII VB & Modwright Elyse), It just sounds right, hard to put it into words.
Frazeur1
12-04-2019, 08:03
I have been using a LinnenberG Telemann DAC from Germany for about a year now. Very nice, best DAC I have owned. It has seven digital filters that one can pick from, most very subtle at best. The unit also can be used as a DAC/preamp, as it also has a pair of RCAs that are configurable as analog input, as well as resistive ladder volume control. The DAC was designed as fully balanced/dual differential, so includes XLR I/O, and all the various digital inputs I would require. Along with my Innuos Zen Mk2, it just works and sounds fantastic. Very pleased.
Using the PS Audio Perfectwave DAC2 with Bridge 2 connected via Ethernet to my network. My Mac Mini is also connected via Ethernet to my network running Roon/Tidal/Qobuz. Sounds glorious! Also using a Cary 306/200 as a transport when spinning CDs.
DAC de jour is a Benchmark DAC1 HDR - it's a very good remote controlled preamp as well.That one is on my list too Jerry. Nice looking bit of kit
Haselsh1
13-04-2019, 08:39
Audiolab M-DAC. How do I rate it..? Difficult as I only have two others to compare it to however it is better than either of those.
Yes Grant, I've got my eyes on that as well, or maybe the '2'.
Discopants
13-04-2019, 15:33
No external DAC, my system is entirely digital with a Lyngdorf TDAI 3400. Ive got a Chord mojo for headphones that i use at work.
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Landloper
17-04-2019, 11:22
New toy for the bedside listening setup: a Roksan K3 DAC, no half-width affair. The best DAC I've used so far. Previous boxes included an Arcam rDAC, an Audiolab M-DAC, a Beresford Caiman II, a Beresford SEG, and an SPS DAC 3. It has a couple of useful extras such as two sets of RCA outs allowing me to run two HPAs and an internal K-Link receiver and USB transmitter for sending CD quality from a computer to the DAC. Well-built and sounds great - quite a step up from the M-DAC. Bought at a whopping discount, £900 off from Audiovisual online [including next day delivery].
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Topping D50.
I have had to downsize my 2nd system due to a room change. Having promised my son my N cores and Benchmark DAC1 HDR, I set out looking for alternatives. Im a Benchmark Fan of some years using the DAC1 HDR and DAC2 so looked at the S/H market for benchmark gear but was a bit taken aback by the prices being asked for 10 year old design and electronic hardwear. I found a link on the forum to a site that provided technical measurements of various DACs. I was attracted to the Topping performance figures particularly the D50 and DX7s. They lay midway between the Benchmark HDR and the DAC2. The D50 is a bare dac with no frills, needs a 5v PSU and provides unbalanced outputs. The DX7s is similar to the bechmark DAC1's with balanced and unbalanced output and internal PSU. The DAC section electronics spec for both is almost identical. It will be the same circuitry. The D50 is £179 ex amazon and the D7S about twice that price.
I decided to jump in and bought a D50. It arrived a few days ago and has been running 24/7 Im using a separate Linear 5v supply I built (equivalent on Ebay circa £45) but it comes with a USB power connector so could be used from a powered laptop or clean PC.
Well Ive been gobsmacked with its performance, into my NCores/ATCscm 40's its every bit as good in the SQ arena as my as my Benchmark HDR. I still have to do an evaluation against my DAC2.
Im now a convert- No need to pay megabucks for a good DAC !
Im redesigning my system for the smaller room around a D50 with a passive unbalanced switch to give me Vinyl/Dac into a new pair of NCores.
julesd68
18-04-2019, 14:12
Very interesting review Ian. I'm still liking my Topping D30 but would be happy to try another DAC of theirs. The D70 should be released any moment now but will be around 600 quid. I'd love to know how much of an improvement the D50 would be over the D30 as the price is very attractive of course!
Not a review just an indicator:)
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?forums/digital-audio-converters-dacs.10/
Page 1 gives you their interpretation of the D30 and new D50.
From looking at the Topping specs the big difference is in the architecture of the two. The D50 uses two DAC chips (ES9038Q2M) one for each L & R channel so I would expect a lower noise figure and better channel separation so slightly more detail and improved soundstage.
The published noise for the E30 is -113 to -115 db while the D50 is -122 db so the ( unwanted) noise is at around half the level of that coming out of the D30.
It is important to remember that the Hi Fi system following the DAC must be capable of revealing the improvement.
My donation of my NCores and Benchmark to my son has now backfired. In my new room I initially set up using an old Cyrus Smartpower amp I had. It just didnt cut it with the D50.
Ive now ordered two Hypex Ncore amp boards and power supplies, plus the aluminium to make cases for them, so Im now almost back to square one but with the Topping instead of the Benchmark.
Good hunting re the potential change.
julesd68
19-04-2019, 11:39
Thanks Ian, some more useful insights there!
Schiit Gungnir multibit replaced a Chord 2qute.
Nice organic sound, don’t feel inclined to try anything else at the moment.
Surprising that of the 99 posts few have been the same. Need to do this with other units...maybe headphones next, or phono stages..:)
jandl100
20-04-2019, 11:45
What with computer audio and streaming there are just so many DACs around these days, with seemingly more appearing every week.
So many DACs, so little time.
Sim Audio Moon 380D V MiND
Really very good indeed; best streamer/DAC/pre I've had to date and that's very many indeed! I hate to use the term, but this is, for me, a reference level bit of kit. I've used this in to the power amp direct (via variable XLR on the 380D) in my AVM A30. Transformed the sound, whether comparing to a Bluesound Node 2i in to the A30 digital input, or via a Marantz SA14S1SE (which is no slouch). As for CD played via a Sony 1000ES blu ray coaxial out; just 'wow'.
pitadavespa
26-04-2019, 16:09
I'm still using my loyal Rotel RDP-980 (also have to matching transport). Slightly modded with OPA627.
Instruments and voices sound faithful and truthful to me.
Also, with 4x optical AND 4x coax, I connect everything I need to it.
I've tried others in order to replace it, buth... it's still here... :)
loonytunes
27-04-2019, 20:54
Mixing old with the new...
Streaming Tidal via SoTM sMS-500 PSU / sMS-Ultra, then using a USB/SPDIF converter into an old 80's Arcam Black Box one DAC (TDA 1541A).
What a great tread!
I’m a huge fan of benchmark DAC’s/ a FanBoy some would say :)
I have been running separate DAC & Transport since 1993 - First set: Acram dac3 & TEAC vrds-1....it’s safe to say I have fried a “few” medium to low end DAC’s
But my first Benchmark DAC really opened up my music collection, and my eyes(ears) to “reference digital sound”
I’ve had the DAC1, the DAC1 Pre, the DAC1 Hxx(Something) and now the DAC2 HGC and to me and a few friends they have up’ed their game with every new DAC, so if you are considering Benchmark, go for the newest you can afford/ willing to pay for - would be my advice
Recently I had the good fortune of borrow a Bricasti M1 DAC, hands down the best looking and sexiest piece of hifi gear I’ve ever seen ore played with!
However it didn’t outperform my trusty Benchmark DAC2 HGC, they were more alike than I ever thought possible, since the M1 is 6-7 times as expensive...don’t get me wrong, the M1 has everything in all the right places etc But my DAC2 was better at some things amped the M1 better at other
Even the owner of the M1 was surprised at just how close they were in my setup
Another amazing DAC I had on hand one afternoon:
Weiss DAC1 - Just WOW! It damn nearly wiped the floor with my DAC
I believe this DAC’s party piece is it’s superb analog amp! +of course the overall build quality
So many great DAC’s so little time (money)
Thanks Grant for a great post - super inspiring and quite possible an expensive one
Apologies in advance,Im going to repeat a short part of an earlier post to this thread.
Like you, I have been a big fan of Benchmark for many years, having used some of their gear when I was working.
I was recently looking for a replacement for my DAC 1 HDR but found S/H prices here in the UK far higher than I thought 10 yr old design and components were worth.
I did some reseach and found a site which gave measurements of many DACs. From looking at the performance figures of my DAC HDR I found they were very closely matched by a Topping D50 costing £170. I bought one and was gobsmacked by its performance, I cant tell it from my Benchmark DAC1. Stopped my search for a s/h DAC1 HDR, the Topping is now in my second system
Ref the DAC2 which I use in my main sysystem, I found it possible to improve its performance by avoiding the use of the inbuilt output drive attenuator. If you look at the DAC2 instruction manual (P23) it gives you a list of the output impedance of the DAC at the 3 attenuator settings. Its 425 ohms at the most popular setting of 10db attenuation but improves to a more attractive 60 ohms at Zero attenuation.
I build my own amps, currently Hypex N Core, so was able to use the Hypex instruction as to how to change the gain of the amp ( one resistor change).
I reduced the attentuation in the Benchmark to zero so was now outputing a signal 10 db.higher in level. I reduced the gain of the Ncore to close to 10db ( couldnt quite make the full 10 db)to compensate.
This gave the DAC2/Hypex combination a noticeable improvement in SQ, due primarily, in my opinion, to reducing the output impedance of the Benchmark
Anyone using a Benchmark with an amp where they can reduce its gain by about 10db should try this.
LittleTone
15-05-2019, 10:45
+1 for the RME ADI2 DAC. great bit of kit.
crimsondonkey
15-05-2019, 11:20
I have a rather OTT DAC which is the size of a power amp! Its a pimped DDDAC with the various board mods from DIY Audio and a choke reg power supply etc. I like meat on the audio bones so this is perfect for me, I can't see me ever wanting to upgrade, and besides which digital is probably less than 10% of my listening.
https://audioabattoir.s3.dualstack.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/e/3/e36d77b345ae97b4383b1428cf75f195c62a85d7.jpeg
Firebottle
15-05-2019, 11:22
Looks good though Wayne :thumbsup:
crimsondonkey
15-05-2019, 11:32
Looks good though Wayne :thumbsup:
Cheers Alan. I'll bring it over one of the days if you fancy a listen.
Firebottle
15-05-2019, 11:42
Yes that would be interesting!
With all the upgrades and psu's you can stick on it Alan, it can sound pretty good, put a few of these together for people over the years plus Wayne's a nice fellow as well.
After living with a few more modern dacs like Lavry, Rega, Audio-gd, I found no taste for oversampling and no need for USB. So it's a Meridian 563 fed by a chromecast in the little system and a Dax2se fed by a NAs though a cambridge sonata in the big room. No the last word in resolution but both soo musical, can see myself changing the players at some point but the dacs are staying, especially the AS.
Pepperamip
15-05-2019, 16:14
+1 for the RME ADI2 DAC. great bit of kit.This and mytek dacs get mentioned in the same high regard from what I've been reading of late.
Currently a caiman seg for me with a dorado psu enhancer. Sounds good to my ears.
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Halfway Tree
16-05-2019, 21:30
Mytek 8x192ADDA (https://mytekdigital.com/professional/products/8x192-adda/#specifications) 8 channel mastering DAC for my 4-way active system. This is a design that is at least 13 years old using Dac chips (AD1955) in dual mono configuration that are even older. It's still in production as is the Dac chip. I'm very happy with it, but have an Okto Research PRO 8 (https://www.oktoresearch.com/dac8pro.htm) coming for evaluation sometime this summer. It will be interesting to see how far DACs have progressed over the last 10 years or so. In absolute terms not a lot is my guess, but you can get a very good DAC for not a lot of money now. :)
I also have a Benchmark DAC1 HDR in a second system.
I own one DAC, Australian made DAC, Klein DAC mine is the older version with PCM1794
Mytek 8x192ADDA (https://mytekdigital.com/professional/products/8x192-adda/#specifications) 8 channel mastering DAC for my 4-way active system. This is a design that is at least 13 years old using Dac chips (AD1955) in dual mono configuration that are even older. It's still in production as is the Dac chip. I'm very happy with it, but have an Okto Research PRO 8 (https://www.oktoresearch.com/dac8pro.htm) coming for evaluation sometime this summer. It will be interesting to see how far DACs have progressed over the last 10 years or so. In absolute terms not a lot is my guess, but you can get a very good DAC for not a lot of money now. :)
I also have a Benchmark DAC1 HDR in a second system.
That Okto dac is a gorgeous piece of industrial design Gordon, love it’s looks.
Pretty slick with the Apple remote too.
Not overpriced for what your getting either.
Having heard your active setup Gordon, interested to know how you think it compares to the Mytek?
Halfway Tree
18-05-2019, 20:00
That Okto dac is a gorgeous piece of industrial design Gordon, love it’s looks.
Pretty slick with the Apple remote too.
Not overpriced for what your getting either.
Having heard your active setup Gordon, interested to know how you think it compares to the Mytek?
Yes, absolutely, the Mytek wouldn't stand a chance in a beauty contest! :lol:
What the Mytek has going for it (apart from its excellent SQ) is its functionality as it also has an 8-channel ADC. In addition to USB, there's 8 analogue inputs, 4 AES/EBU digital inputs which can also take spdif, 4 digital outputs, adjustable analogue input and output levels for each channel, ADC and DAC output meters which can be turned off. It is nice to be able to check that no clipping is taking place.
I don't have a date for the Okto to arrive yet - I was just told that it would be between late May and end of July as it's on a loan tour across Europe. I'm hoping I won't be on holiday when it comes :doh:
I'll definitely let you know how it sounds compared to the Mytek.
Tremendous :)
Look forward to it Sir.
We spoke at the Bristol show when I was exhibiting my Korus Server and remembered our conversation at the Nebo turn when you had your Nak active setup.
You were that “Neil Young looking guy” who knew his Hifi...:)
We spoke previously at Bristol in the bar about Steve Bell cartoons in the Guardian over a beer...good times.
Halfway Tree
18-05-2019, 22:17
You were that “Neil Young looking guy” who knew his Hifi...:)
We spoke previously at Bristol in the bar about Steve Bell cartoons in the Guardian over a beer...good times.
Heh, heh, not so sure about "Neil Young looking"...... or knowing my hifi.......I simply followed Siegfried Linkwitz's instructions...:D
I just showed my son your avatar - he just loved it! - as you can imagine we're big Donald fans here, too!:rolleyes:
Just thought I’d chip in that mine’s an RME ADI-2 Pro FS. It’s the 7th DAC I’ve owned in the last 4 years and it is by far the best sonically and functionally. Previous were Arcam x2, Cyrus, Linn, DSPeaker and Chord. For the first time in ages I have no plans to change.
Just thought I’d chip in that mine’s an RME ADI-2 Pro FS. It’s the 7th DAC I’ve owned in the last 4 years and it is by far the best sonically and functionally. Previous were Arcam x2, Cyrus, Linn, DSPeaker and Chord. For the first time in ages I have no plans to change.
heard good things about it..
The Black Adder
25-05-2019, 14:06
I'd like to give the d30 a go.
Sounds like a nice little DAC. Not bothered about the extra features of the d50 and it performance seems to be just as good.
What I'd really like though is a well sorted Tda1541a dac. Had one once and stupidly sold it.
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Mr Underhill
25-05-2019, 14:36
Just thought I’d chip in that mine’s an RME ADI-2 Pro FS. It’s the 7th DAC I’ve owned in the last 4 years and it is by far the best sonically and functionally. Previous were Arcam x2, Cyrus, Linn, DSPeaker and Chord. For the first time in ages I have no plans to change.
George on The WigWam has just reviewed this, he thought it was very good, it even threatened his Audionote 2.1. He has an interview with the chap who produces it which is interesting. He thinks it works VERY well with the Nord NC500s giving the centre of an excellent VFM system.
Mr Underhill
25-05-2019, 14:45
The DACs I own are:
Audionote 2.1 as breathed upon by Deco audio, Blackgates everywhere, AD1865;
Linn Klimax DS/1 Renew, with AKM; and
Oppo 105D, with ESS Sabre.
I enjoy all three, subtle flavours. The effect of these flavours depends very much on what the rest of the system is.
Iceman16
26-05-2019, 11:18
Chord Qutest. Very simple to use and sounds great with Auralic mini.
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I've been using a Xiang Sheng DAC-01 for a few years now and it has responded really well to transport upgrades stepping up in SQ each time.
Not sure if my having replaced the majority of the dodgy no name Chinese caps has helped it along but currently being fed by a Digione Signature fed by a LDA LPSU and an ifi power supply for the rpi and it sound lovely for not much money :)
I keep wondering if upgrading the digital cable (Cambridge Audio cheapy) will improve things further?
Sherwood
26-05-2019, 21:13
I've been using a Xiang Sheng DAC-01 for a few years now and it has responded really well to transport upgrades stepping up in SQ each time.
Not sure if my having replaced the majority of the dodgy no name Chinese caps has helped it along but currently being fed by a Digione Signature fed by a LDA LPSU and an ifi power supply for the rpi and it sound lovely for not much money :)
I keep wondering if upgrading the digital cable (Cambridge Audio cheapy) will improve things further?
I can strongly recommend this cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B079RH4VHB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have a 25cm length which is perfect for how I have my Digione set up (i.e. above the DAC)
I can strongly recommend this cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B079RH4VHB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have a 25cm length which is perfect for how I have my Digione set up (i.e. above the DAC)
Thanks I've ordered one...
Surprising that of the 99 posts few have been the same. Need to do this with other units...maybe headphones next, or phono stages..:)
Especially when some parts of the Hi-Fi press seem to put a couple of DACs on a pedestal (MDAC and Chord for example) with the implication that little else is worth trying. Great to see that so many people are getting such enjoyment from such a wide range.
Especially when some parts of the Hi-Fi press seem to put a couple of DACs on a pedestal (MDAC and Chord for example) with the implication that little else is worth trying. Great to see that so many people are getting such enjoyment from such a wide range.
indeedy.. its like if your dont follow their instructions you are not at the party.:) Trouble with big site and even smaller site reviewers is you dont really know the relationship between reviewer and company, so well worth taking with a pinch of salt.
I like to look at a product and see how many are available second hand, especially nearly new ones. Gives you a better gauge of how good it actually is
I love the second hand market - it means you can buy & try for a while and then get something else, without losing much or any money in the process. It's allow me to try a couple of DACs I don't think I would have had if I'd bought new .... but the same is true for most Hi-Fi. There's not much bought from new in my main Hi-Fi step up nowadays.
Opti-cal
31-05-2019, 07:00
I love the second hand market - it means you can buy & try for a while and then get something else, without losing much or any money in the process. It's allow me to try a couple of DACs I don't think I would have had if I'd bought new .... but the same is true for most Hi-Fi. There's not much bought from new in my main Hi-Fi step up nowadays.
I agree I think the second hand market is a godsend to guys and gals like us to help us try what's out there to see what fits!
Case and point I picked up a Beresford Bushmaster II for a price where it wouldn't have really mattered if it was a disappointment. Turns out it wasn't (never in doubt really!) and now I have a great DAC to add to one of my spare inputs and make use of an unused digital output on my streamer and one of the many different digital cables I have accumulated just to see how things sound through it. This is fun.
Oh and I've just started to run it off a battery power bank as its a 12v input. More fun.
Kind of gives me another "test" rig to swap in cables/power supplies etc to see what works and what doesn't.
I also get a certain satisfaction from using all the functions of my gear (as mentioned with the digital outputs from the streamer and inputs on the amp).
Come to think of it three out of five of my DAC's are second hand now. Most are modified as a lot more can be squeezed out of most of them.
Cheers
I agree completely on the value of the second hand market, most people IME with bicycles and Hi-Fi are thoise who look after their equipment, and are also honest.
All of my stuff is second hand, some third, except for a WMDC6C bought in '85, and a new cartridge for the record deck.
Landloper
31-05-2019, 22:06
Roksan K3
Audiolab M-DAC
Beresford Caiman SEG
SPS DAC 3 NOS DAC
MiniMuse 1 x TDA 1543
realysm42
31-05-2019, 23:34
Longdog Audio VDt1 DAC - transformer coupled valve unit made by Nick Gorham. 5687 on the output and ef86 in the power.
I bought this in 2013 and is my longest owned component! Still sounds great today and I've got no desire it change it.
I am using a Promitheus Dac with separate power supply, beat an Mdac and a Arcam dac handsomely. NOS , beefy trans and all hand built with point to point wiring. Seriously good bit of kit .
Lawrence001
13-06-2019, 12:10
Remarkably since selling off my pricy dacs (Metrum Octave and MF Tri Vista) this little Chinese dac/pre/headphone amp turns out to sound best with my Ruarks. I'm using the Off Ramp rather than the internal USB converter, and Django TVC rather than the internal pre, but the dac section is marvellous.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190613/dfc05010b7882c9d8eb13fdf16408b9d.jpg
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Wanted to move on from my Micromega Duo BS after many years loyal service. Being on a very limited budget I was recommended this little baby it's well good. MICROMEGA Mydac. More in yer face than the previous bit of kit but a lot more detail and wide soundstage. Really brings the music into the room. Not high end posh stuff that some folk here will have but it's had great reviews since it came out and I can see why. Picked it up for 175 quid new as well. Fab gear man.
got to love the 2nd hand market for hifi as previously stated most items are extremely well looked after although u get an odd horror. Another good thing is 2nd hand stuff rarely looses value if you decide to sell on again. Sometimes even making money on your previous purchases.
My first dac was beresford caimen with offboard power supply not sure on make. When looking for an upgrade i went to fanthorpes to listen to a m-dac+ and a hugo2. while there they also let me listen to a trade in hugo tt and a dave for comparison. TT was priced less than the hugo2 but preferred the new chip in the hugo 2 and couldnt realistically afford the dave, so bought the hugo 2. The TT certainly had a bigger soundstage and overall a better grip of the music but the hugo 2 just sounded so much clearer.
Now hopefully i will be taking possession of a hugoTT2 in the near future off John will i'll let u know the difference when it lands. Next step on the journey is to find a roon ready streamer which i might start a different thread about once i finished reading numerous reviews on too many bits of kit lol.
vinylsnail
10-03-2020, 16:05
I have 3 dacs... (4 if you count a musical fidelity headphone dac that's been sat in a box for 3 years) My most used DAC is a Chord DAC64 - it looks and feels lovely, but also sounds good. I also have a MM30 module in my Primare i32 amp, which sounds a clear and detailed (possibly more so than the DAC64 in an A/B comparison?) but somehow fatigues on extended listening, whereas the DAC64 allows me to listen to the music and not to the system. I also have a Rega DAC (again, sat in a box - I must make use of the classifieds) which I could happily live with, but it doesn't quite dig out the detail that the Chord and Primare can, although it's a much cheaper unit.
Currently have a Denafrips Ares II R2R DAC in my system. Love that is also has 5 inputs on such a compact unit.
Smegger68
14-03-2020, 02:41
I've had more DACs than hot dinners, or at least it seems that way :D
However, the one I use these days and also the one that's stuck around the longest it a Theta DS Pro Prime. I've got other arrangements for high bitrate, but honestly even at 16/44.1 the venerable old Theta usually gets it's licks in and outshines the higher bitrate gear. It's seen off quite a bit of kit and isn't likely to get shuffled off it's perch anytime soon :)
My current DAC is a Denafrips Pro-8 Mk1 which is not the same as the current R2R units that they currently make. Sadly I have not been able to find any details about the DAC nor what the architecture of the unit is. Frustrating for an enquiring mind but has no effect at all on how nice it sounds.
Frazeur1
01-04-2020, 17:17
LinnenberG Telemann DAC/preamp, plus DAC's available in my Naim Uniti1 and ND5XS2 units.
oceanobsession
01-04-2020, 19:38
Audionote dac sig 2.1x had the jolida dac before that both very musical warm and engaging , audionote more refined . phil.
Jolida glass fx III with clarity caps upgrade and a Xiang sheng dac 01a in the second system.
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The Black Adder
02-04-2020, 14:55
Still using the ALLO Katana with the Shanti PSU... Still a great sound.
Audion The Converter Reference DAC with separate PSU.
2 x PCM63P, 2 x ECC88.
Fullrange
03-04-2020, 11:20
Over the last 4 years or so I've been trying many DACs to achieve a sound quality that is natural and unforced. So many DACs in my opinion have a sharp, forced and highly etched quality to them that produces a very unnatural sound. I came across a CASEA DAC by accident by winning one of their older models on eBay. I was so surprised to find it so natural and relaxed I later bought their latest model from their website. For the money it is quite outstanding, beating all my friends DACs up to £4000 for naturalness and musicality. Spending more will give you a better sound but for £1500 direct from the manufacturer it is quite outstanding. The only limiting factor is it only has a USB input and won't do DSD or MQA, again for me this is not a problem because it sounds so good.
My Technics SH-X1000
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49563952806_b41015f6dc_c.jpg
https://www.hifishock.org/galleries/electronics/technics/source/cd-player/dac/sh-x1000-1-technics.jpg
Borrowing an Aqua La Scala next week. An r2r I believe....
Lawrence001
04-04-2020, 21:22
My Technics SH-X1000
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49563952806_b41015f6dc_c.jpg
https://www.hifishock.org/galleries/electronics/technics/source/cd-player/dac/sh-x1000-1-technics.jpgYou do like that dac don't you [emoji1]
donmarrese
04-04-2020, 22:29
Currently using a Beresford Caiman 11 with a recently added on dorado power supply thanks to Stan and it sounds really good to me now particularly with the recent chip upgrade [emoji106]
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I've got exactly the same...still in system after 8 months....but in the back of my mind I feel I'm missing out on something..or is it old age?
You do like that dac don't you [emoji1]Oh yes!
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Idlewithnodrive
07-04-2020, 18:25
My Technics SH-X1000
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49563952806_b41015f6dc_c.jpg
https://www.hifishock.org/galleries/electronics/technics/source/cd-player/dac/sh-x1000-1-technics.jpg
A work of art combined with a technical tour de force. Lovely
Idlewithnodrive
07-04-2020, 18:26
I have a Topping D50s.
Plays any format and does a decent job, all for buttons.
Firebottle
07-04-2020, 19:37
I've upgraded from a Topping D50 to a Topping D90 and absolutely loving it.
topoxforddoc
20-04-2020, 20:32
Having finally gone digital a few months ago, I now use a Prism Sound Lyra 2 interface. Prism Sound have made some of the best audio interfaces for the last 15 years, and their gear is used in major recording studios across the world.
This is a 2 channel A2D with identical circuitry to the high end multi channel Orpheus and Titan interfaces. The DAC end is the same as the Prism Sound Callia DAC, which has gained good reviews over the last 2 years. Headphone amp is also excellent, as you would expect from a pro studio item. Bizarrely the Lyra 2 is cheaper than the Call, but I suppose that's pro studio vs hi-fi pricing for you.
I bought this mainly as a interface to archive my R2R tapes. But the digital files sound pretty much indistinguishable from the 15 IPS master tape. So I'm pretty happy with this.
Using the dac in my vena 2 now. Took a while to come on song but is now a very good dac. It uses the ESS Sabre32 ES9018K2M chip. On usb it does 384 and dsd 256.
Not intending to change this. I am considering a headphone amp/ dac tho, as most of my listening is done from my chair via cans these days.
So many options tho it's hard to find a suitible one.
Light Capture
20-04-2020, 23:30
I use a basic Schiit Modi3 DAC. It replace a cheap FiiO D3 DAC from Amazon so I can't compare how it does to more capable DACs, but it has gotten excellent reviews.
I'd be willing to let u borrow mi hugo2 dac have got tt2 now so it just sat in box.If you fancy a listen to it Grant way things are not gonna b sold anytime soon.
I'd be willing to let u borrow mi hugo2 dac have got tt2 now so it just sat in box.If you fancy a listen to it Grant way things are not gonna b sold anytime soon.
very nice offer Pete... i will think about it... might just be north of what i want to spend, although its not fixed in stone:) Mytek's liberty interests me a little, although ive not seen anyone using one.
a 2 box solution isnt out of question either.
Have one of these on order now. Not at all too shabby. https://www.aquahifi.com/la_scala.html
Have one of these on order now. Not at all too shabby. https://www.aquahifi.com/la_scala.html
very nice... i am afraid to see the price to :eyebrows:
Landloper
21-04-2020, 15:31
I use a basic Schiit Modi3 DAC. It replace a cheap FiiO D3 DAC from Amazon so I can't compare how it does to more capable DACs, but it has gotten excellent reviews.
Price to performance counts for a good deal, Mike. Basic the Schiit may be bit you are getting a fair whack for a relatively small outlay. Sometimes one upgrades and really all one has paid more for is nothing more than some advertising hooey and a thicker faceplate. That little Fiio D3 seems well liked by those who have tried it [super low price of $25-$30?]; it has a decent SPDIF transceiver [WM8805], though I expect the Schiit was a step forward. How did you find the change?
Light Capture
22-04-2020, 01:50
Joanna, the Schiit Modi3 is a noticeable step up from the FiiO D3. It has higher resolution with more detail, tighter bass, and clearer highs. The D3 has a smooth and pleasing sound that is easy to listen to. If you want to hear more from your program material the Modi 3 is the clear winner in my experience.
Fullrange
22-04-2020, 10:09
I've just ordered a Mytek Liberty to replace my Casea DAC. I want to check out some mqa files...... Anyone with experience of the DAC?
I have 2 very good DACs, a Bryston BDA-1 which has rave reviews and is indeed a good DAC but I find most of my listening is via my Wadia 15 although it is redbook only. This Wadia uses 4X PCM63 chips which is the older R2R topology and to my ears, in my system, makes music like no other.
Mr. C in post 4 of this long thread who owns the same DAC seems to have a similar regard for it. I am selling both these DACs so if anybody is interested in one or the other, or both :) send me a PM. I am not sure if this is the correct place to mention the price other then to say the Wadia is a bargain.
I have 2 very good DACs, a Bryston BDA-1 which has rave reviews and is indeed a good DAC but I find most of my listening is via my Wadia 15 although it is redbook only. This Wadia uses 4X PCM63 chips which is the older R2R topology and to my ears, in my system, makes music like no other.
Mr. C in post 4 of this long thread who owns the same DAC seems to have a similar regard for it. I am selling both these DACs so if anybody is interested in one or the other, or both :) send me a PM. I am not sure if this is the correct place to mention the price other then to say the Wadia is a bargain.
what are u replacing them with charles
Hi Grant,
I intend to downsize and am looking for a Moon or perhaps another Wadia pre, dac, amp and streamer all in one but have to put that on hold for awhile. I need to send some money back to South Africa.
Will make do with my reasonably competent Oppo 103
Hi Grant,
I intend to downsize and am looking for a Moon or perhaps another Wadia pre, dac, amp and streamer all in one but have to put that on hold for awhile. I need to send some money back to South Africa.
Will make do with my reasonably competent Oppo 103Got an oppo 103 myself. Those are nice dacs and if priced right will sell quite quickly I think.
Landloper
23-04-2020, 19:12
Joanna, the Schiit Modi3 is a noticeable step up from the FiiO D3. It has higher resolution with more detail, tighter bass, and clearer highs. The D3 has a smooth and pleasing sound that is easy to listen to. If you want to hear more from your program material the Modi 3 is the clear winner in my experience.
Result, then....;D
Had a Metrum on my shortlist for a new dac but as they’ve just gone bust I’ll give them a miss.
Have one of these on order now. Not at all too shabby. https://www.aquahifi.com/la_scala.html
I’d be really interested in your though on this dac in due course
ijrussell
09-05-2020, 21:22
I've had my DiDiT DAC212SE since October 2016. It was expensive but it sounds nice and musical and has a lot of inputs including HDMI I2S which my Jay's Audio CDT-2 MKII transport outputs. I have tried other DACs but I keep coming back to it.
https://i.imgur.com/K1sEa74.jpg
Blueflash
10-05-2020, 12:43
I have had Wadia 16, Meridian 508 24, Audionote 2.1 Signature kit, Naim CD5i.
I now have a DDDAC heavily modified with my own power supply and self made PCB because I wanted to run 16 Dac boards.
I started off with 4 Dac boards, then tried 8 which was a good upgrade, so I thought what the heck, lets see if I can get 16 of them to work.
After some to an fro emails withe Doede the designer, the 16 Dac boards are working superbly.
Big wide soundstage, excellent separation and sounding like a good analogue master tape source.
A lot of work but well worth the effort.
Nice work.... Lots of spare dacs left tho:)
Blueflash
10-05-2020, 13:16
Ha ! I sold them on to finance the project :)
I have had Wadia 16, Meridian 508 24, Audionote 2.1 Signature kit, Naim CD5i.
I now have a DDDAC heavily modified with my own power supply and self made PCB because I wanted to run 16 Dac boards.
I started off with 4 Dac boards, then tried 8 which was a good upgrade, so I thought what the heck, lets see if I can get 16 of them to work.
After some to an fro emails withe Doede the designer, the 16 Dac boards are working superbly.
Big wide soundstage, excellent separation and sounding like a good analogue master tape source.
A lot of work but well worth the effort.A mere 16? Shocking how dare you compromise so LOL!:)
Blueflash
11-05-2020, 10:16
A mere 16? Shocking how dare you compromise so LOL!:)
I quite agree with you, so I am in the slow process of building a dual 16 DDDAC :mental:
I have built the power supply that will supply enough current for each stack and supply the Wave IO board :D
I had to make my own PCB`s to take the TIP142 transistors and the DSA70C200HB rectifier as I wanted to supply 12v at 5amps continually :)
looks quality work so far.. look forward to seeing it finished.
Expect some of you have seen that I recently bought the Luxman DA 06 DSD DAC... the last one I buy!
Mac
Fullrange
14-05-2020, 12:04
Expect some of you have seen that I recently bought the Luxman DA 06 DSD DAC... the last one I buy!
Mac
Congratulations, it's a very good DAC.
Dylanthecat
30-06-2020, 19:44
Just hooked up a Gustard X26 - it is very impressive for the money - current source is Tidal MQA via a Node 2i (DAC bypassed)
Dylanthecat
05-07-2020, 23:19
Just added a Heed Obelisk DA DAC to my collection. Still evaluating but initial thoughts are very good. Engaging. It is certainly diffirent to other DACs I own. Further posts to follow on this one. PS I think it has a 2.1 DAC card in it.
Just bought the RME ADI-2 DAC. May sound odd but I honestly didn’t have any great expectations for it and thought I would be sending it back fairly sharpish. It has, though, been something of a revelation. Better on almost every level than the Schiit Bifrost 2 I had previously.
I’ve moved on to a Denafrips Pontus.
sanchezxxx
09-07-2020, 18:30
Just swapped out my Dragonfly for a Beresford Seg / Dorado from the classifieds. Very happy with it. No more box swapping until it dies or I move again :)
I’ve moved on to a Denafrips Pontus.
All the Denafrips DAC’s seems to be setting new standards at their price points. I hope you enjoy the Pontus.
hornucopia
10-07-2020, 14:25
MHDT Havana, much modded by 'Earl' Sodbury.
No filter,16 bit NOS. principle.
My Panasonic SA-HR70 receiver is digital, using a nice Texas chip, circa 1996!
Still sounding good now!
Beginning to wonder about modern digital amps, i.e. with dacs included...e.g. Hegel.....or....Avantgarde Zero speakers?
Filterlab
10-07-2020, 15:29
I have a Leema Elements DAC (absolutely stunning quality), an Audiolab M-DAC (original with a modified power supply - I did the modding) and an Arcam rDAC.
The Arcam rDAC is better than the Audiobab M-DAC by a country mile, but the Leema Elements is head, shoulders, chest, waist, pelvis, thighs and shins above the rDAC. I have no idea why What Hi-Fi reviewed it so badly, they're a mile out.
Perhaps Leema didn't want to advertise on their website.
I have a Topping D90 which is a big step-up from my previous DAC, a modded Beresford Caiman SEG with Dorado PSU.
donmarrese
10-07-2020, 19:25
Just swapped out my Dragonfly for a Beresford Seg / Dorado from the classifieds. Very happy with it. No more box swapping until it dies or I move again :)+1 same here
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Filterlab
11-07-2020, 07:44
I have a Topping D90 which is a big step-up from my previous DAC, a modded Beresford Caiman SEG with Dorado PSU.
I had the SEG with an upgrade PSU. A fine DAC! Didn’t get round to doing the mods though.
beermaniac
11-07-2020, 08:04
I’ve moved on to a Denafrips Pontus.
How does the Pontus sound?
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StingRay
11-07-2020, 09:10
I’ve moved on to a Denafrips Pontus.
How does it compare to the Soncoz?
How does it compare to the Soncoz?
Interesting question, i have seen threads saying the soncoz is cutting edge, it would be very interesting to hear more about the difference innbuild and sound quality fron someone who has run both
Here we go then
Soncoz is a no brainier for the money. Even handed tonal balance, detail, soundstage. Multiple in and out’s.
Not bad build but the rotary knob was a little wobbly.
Denafrips feels like a million dollar product, weight is 8.5kg. Buttons click in and out solidly, built like a tank.
Also multiple in and out’s.
Soundstage so far is not as wide as the Soncoz, depth is similar, but allegedly will improve.
Detail is there but not as obviously detailed as the Soncoz.
One big thing for me is speed. The Soncoz seemed a little slower tempo, Denafrips much faster when listening to speed metal etc.
There is just something about the Pontus that the Soncoz lacked, music is just more musical and my feet tap more.
Very subtle difference with the filters on both, I couldn’t really tell them apart.
Pontus NOS and OS mode also hard to tell apart.
I knew I wouldn’t be happy long term with Soncoz, Denafrips is here to stay.
Mand
mr1macuk
03-08-2020, 07:48
PT Cardinal or Homemade rip/replay fanless end point.
PT Da-Capo - HDCD Filter, Spdif & Clock locked input cards
PT DC - full DC battery psu for digital and analogue sound section of DAC. I believe it provides da-capo 19 separately regulated supplies.
Currently Cardinal is clock locked but also plan to have my rip/replay source running clock locked as well to remove almost any source jitter issues from replay. Both the m2tech evo usb-spdif converter and Mutec MC3+ USB look to accept a 128fs word clock so should be able to feed them with the master clock out from da-capo so they can sync and then the clock lock input card takes in the spdif data but as clock is in sync with master at DAC it totally ignores the encoded clock signals just processes the data as per master clock.
John
ceejaydee
06-09-2020, 20:05
Maybe a little odd for a HiFi forum (although reading through the thread I'm not alone) but I'm using my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 audio interface to stream music through my ADAM Audio monitors to burn them in.
Now I am very impressed with these active monitors, so much so that I'm thinking maybe my stalwart B&W DM600s are maybe way more tired than I thought they were :(
supapeet
09-09-2020, 11:06
Just read through this thread. I have an Audiolab MDAC+ on loan as I have never owned a Dac before. I have it linked via balanced cables to a Luxman 509x Integrated amp and via coaxial cable to a Bluesound Node 2i listening to HighRes files from Qobuz.
Am thinking of purchasing a RME ADI2 FS Dac or a Topping D90. I understand from reading reviews both of these would be better than the Audiolab. I don’t usually purchase without listening first but this seems a bit difficult with these DACs.
Just read through this thread. I have an Audiolab MDAC+ on loan as I have never owned a Dac before. I have it linked via balanced cables to a Luxman 509x Integrated amp and via coaxial cable to a Bluesound Node 2i listening to HighRes files from Qobuz.
Am thinking of purchasing a RME ADI2 FS Dac or a Topping D90. I understand from reading reviews both of these would be better than the Audiolab. I don’t usually purchase without listening first but this seems a bit difficult with these DACs.
both are highly rated. not tried them tho.
I have a Topping D90. It is very good, took time to burn in and further benefits from good USB cables and a reclocker if your budget will stretch - I use the Oehlbach. It also has XLR outputs. I use it with a passive preamp (via RCA).
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Just read through this thread. I have an Audiolab MDAC+ on loan as I have never owned a Dac before. I have it linked via balanced cables to a Luxman 509x Integrated amp and via coaxial cable to a Bluesound Node 2i listening to HighRes files from Qobuz.
Am thinking of purchasing a RME ADI2 FS Dac or a Topping D90. I understand from reading reviews both of these would be better than the Audiolab. I don’t usually purchase without listening first but this seems a bit difficult with these DACs.
Not difficult, order on line and you've got 14 days to try them out in your own system and then send them back if you're not keen.
supapeet
09-09-2020, 16:59
Never used a USB input on the MDAC+ only used a coaxial and toslink cable. Good advice about sending them back if they don’t suit, never really thought about that. Somebody else recommended Weiss, Pro and Resonessence DACs.
VanDerGraaf
09-09-2020, 20:54
I have a Leema Elements DAC (absolutely stunning quality), an Audiolab M-DAC (original with a modified power supply - I did the modding) and an Arcam rDAC.
The Arcam rDAC is better than the Audiobab M-DAC by a country mile, but the Leema Elements is head, shoulders, chest, waist, pelvis, thighs and shins above the rDAC. I have no idea why What Hi-Fi reviewed it so badly, they're a mile out.
Perhaps Leema didn't want to advertise on their website.
Have to say that in my limited experience (ie dacs available for under £600) The Elements Dac is the best I have ever heard.
I remember when I got mine, it redefined what my amp and speakers were capable of. Before that I had been considering trying something else in both fields.
I foolishly sold it last year, which I have regretted more than once since.
What HiFI suck- I never listen to anything they say!
I've only recently discovered dacs exist as individual components.
I guess there's some form of one inside all sorts of devices, my smartphone, my iPod, my computer, TV, PVR etc... none of which I really listen to music on at home - or anywhere else generally.
I can't see my need for a separate dac.
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Like many things, how well implemated the chip is, can make all the difference with dacs. That said, each chip does gave a signature, and then power plays a big part along with clocking etc.
It kinda goes on and can become complex.
USB dacs have come a long way so they shouldn't be discounted either.
I got through quite a few pages of this thread before seeing others using the same DAC as my main one, being a BenchMark DAC1 HDR, which i use for CD (MF A5 & Marantz 6000OSE Ki if i'm not using their onboard dacs) and as a pre going via XLR to Cyrus Mono Xs. the BM does sterling work both as the DAC & Pre.
I also have and i think this is a new one for the thread ?? a JDS Labs EL Dac ...this i use as both a TV and Computer DAC feeding it into a Cyrus 6XP, also it sees use feeding a JDS Labs EL Amp for headphone use in a 2nd system which was what i originally bought it for ...which they call the "EL STACK" apparently
I've only recently discovered dacs exist as individual components.
I guess there's some form of one inside all sorts of devices, my smartphone, my iPod, my computer, TV, PVR etc... none of which I really listen to music on at home - or anywhere else generally.
I can't see my need for a separate dac.
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If you don't listen to digitally encoded music then you don't need a DAC :)
I was sceptical that a separate DAC would improve on the one in the CD player but it did. It also functions as a pre-amp, which is handy.
If you don't listen to digitally encoded music then you don't need a DAC :)
I was sceptical that a separate DAC would improve on the one in the CD player but it did. It also functions as a pre-amp, which is handy.I totally get why a custom unit might be a lot better than a built in unit. I had never before pondered the possible need for one.
I guess most self contained kit is built to a budget or has size constraints, all manner of compromises being made. So anything built as a dedicated unit should sound better.
However, then of course you get into the sticky mud of this thread, is it better or just different, well mostly they will of course all sound slightly, or wildly, different to each other, but which do you prefer.
Then of course, if I have a DAC, and it sounds great, it could make my vinyl collection redundant... something else that puts me off seems to be the typical digital issue of changing specs and standards DSD64, DSD128 and no doubt 256 and 1K etc to come..? Bit rates and frequencies rising in an effort to make a digital signal closer to the analogue original (assuming that's what it was)... It reminds me of the early computer days the endless upgrades, rebuilds etc...
Is it not the equivalent of a comb-over? [emoji12]
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walpurgis
10-09-2020, 09:29
The standard for CD was set ages ago: https://www.travsonic.com/red-book-cd-format/
Anything else alluded to is just 'puff and fluff'.
That has no bearing on the fact that DACs have hugely varying sound quality.
No DAC per se. Just the ones in my CD players and computers.
They are perfectly adequate, and I can’t really tell them apart, to be honest.
When needed I use this:
https://www.audiophonics.fr/fr/dac-sans-volume/audiophonics-u-sabre-usb-dac-24bit96khz-sa9023-es9023-otg-v22e-tcxo-edition-p-11056.html
I totally get why a custom unit might be a lot better than a built in unit. I had never before pondered the possible need for one.
I guess most self contained kit is built to a budget or has size constraints, all manner of compromises being made. So anything built as a dedicated unit should sound better.
However, then of course you get into the sticky mud of this thread, is it better or just different, well mostly they will of course all sound slightly, or wildly, different to each other, but which do you prefer.
Then of course, if I have a DAC, and it sounds great, it could make my vinyl collection redundant... something else that puts me off seems to be the typical digital issue of changing specs and standards DSD64, DSD128 and no doubt 256 and 1K etc to come..? Bit rates and frequencies rising in an effort to make a digital signal closer to the analogue original (assuming that's what it was)... It reminds me of the early computer days the endless upgrades, rebuilds etc...
Is it not the equivalent of a comb-over? [emoji12]
I think the benefits of adding a stand-alone DAC will vary depending on the existing DAC and its implementation. Personally I think power supplies have a lot to do with this and in cheaper CD players these are not optimal.
I agree that 'Better' may be just 'Different but I prefer it.' Personally I just went for a DAC with lowest possible noise and distortion. Had it sounded no different I would have returned it for a full refund. However it did sound sufficiently different from the built-in DAC that I kept it.
Differences tend to be exaggerated in user testimony, especially with DACs, but then we are enthusiasts so small differences still matter to us.
I would not worry about DSD etc, it is all marketing. 16/44.1 is more than sufficient for playback, there is nothing missed or lost within the range of hearing, it is essentially the master tape/file.
Yes, your vinyl collection could become redundant, that has happened to me, although I don't miss the expense or the faff. If that's a concern, avoid digital audio like the plague!
Filterlab
11-09-2020, 13:19
Have to say that in my limited experience (ie dacs available for under £600) The Elements Dac is the best I have ever heard.
I remember when I got mine, it redefined what my amp and speakers were capable of. Before that I had been considering trying something else in both fields.
I foolishly sold it last year, which I have regretted more than once since.
What HiFI suck- I never listen to anything they say!
:lol:
Yes, I agree on the Leema. It was like opening a door! I realised just how much musical information was missing using the Arcam (admittedly almost a quarter of the price). The Leema has so much clarity and musicality, and it’s a fantastic Pre Amp as well. Lovely bit of kit.
VanDerGraaf
15-09-2020, 10:00
I think the benefits of adding a stand-alone DAC will vary depending on the existing DAC and its implementation. Personally I think power supplies have a lot to do with this and in cheaper CD players these are not optimal.
Wise words from Martin. The implementation can make or break a dac.
VanDerGraaf
15-09-2020, 10:01
:lol:
Yes, I agree on the Leema. It was like opening a door! I realised just how much musical information was missing using the Arcam (admittedly almost a quarter of the price). The Leema has so much clarity and musicality, and it’s a fantastic Pre Amp as well. Lovely bit of kit.
Sometimes Rob I wonder if I will end up with another one. Which Arcam were you using?
Filterlab
15-09-2020, 17:17
Sometimes Rob I wonder if I will end up with another one. Which Arcam were you using?
The mDAC. I grabbed it secondhand for about a tonne, and was blown away by its grip and detail. It resides in my office now and is used for remastering work with my iMac, Arcam A85 amp and Edifier S3000 Pros.
What I do love about it is its utter musicality. Smooth and crisp, and with soul. I think it was about £400 new so not a bargain bin DAC by any stretch, and of course it plays very nicely with Arcam amplifiers. Cracking thing - but not a patch on the Leema.
It is however much better than my Audiolab M-DAC which has been left at my ex’s house for the kids. Whilst I quite liked it when I bought it, I now find it too shrill and hard edged, even after modifying the PSU and playing with the myriad of filters.
supapeet
15-09-2020, 23:27
I have a Topping D90. It is very good, took time to burn in and further benefits from good USB cables and a reclocker if your budget will stretch - I use the Oehlbach. It also has XLR outputs. I use it with a passive preamp (via RCA).
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Would be grateful if you could send a link for that re clocker, this Dac stuff is all new to me
Here it is
https://www.oehlbach.com/en/audio-equip/electronics/xxl-masterclock
Its very small, not much bigger than a matchbox.
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supapeet
16-09-2020, 08:16
Here it is
https://www.oehlbach.com/en/audio-equip/electronics/xxl-masterclock
Its very small, not much bigger than a matchbox.
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Thanks, will have a look at that today
ABCaudio
18-09-2020, 15:30
I have been delighted with my SMSL M-400 DAC. Really superb in terms of all the high def - hifi stuff and streets ahead of my previous M2Tech Young.
But for the joy of music and a sense of 'rightness' and presence, it's the best I've heard.
beermaniac
18-09-2020, 15:45
I have been delighted with my SMSL M-400 DAC. Really superb in terms of all the high def - hifi stuff and streets ahead of my previous M2Tech Young.
But for the joy of music and a sense of 'rightness' and presence, it's the best I've heard.
Ah - I have just posted on the SMLS M400 chat i started that I have had the DAC for a few weeks and have been highly impressed. As you say it sounds very right - it’s probably the best DAC i have had also.
It has a very natural sound and a good weight/depth to the midband that other DACs I have had dont have.
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i liked my smsl dac. this one i see is up price wise with the topping d90. sure its very good.
lonrlyman
04-10-2020, 13:21
Have used qutest and aqua la voce s2. They are good DAC with good musicial presentation
StingRay
04-10-2020, 13:35
I have a Jolida FX III, with various tubes, sound much better than my ss ones, smoother, larger soundstage etc. Switching back to ss they sound harsh.
Dauntless
11-10-2020, 16:25
I own an SMSL SU8, a HIFI Me USB 38 Pro, a Soncoz SGD1 and a Caiman Seg + Dorado power supply. At present I am using the Caiman Seg. I have also owned and sold an Audio Lab M Dac, a Schiit Gungnir Multibit and one from Emotiva ( Cannot remember the product ). Quite enjoying the Caiman Seg at present!
Not owned many standalone DAC's.
The first was a modified Jolida FXIII which sounded great but I sold it on as it sat for a long time not being used.
Earlier this year I decided it would be good to be able to stream music over Blue Tooth from my phone and laptop so started looking around and settled on a Soncoz SGD1. The functionality of this DAC plus the reviews on a certain web site helped me decide this would be a good option.
I am not disappointed with the quality of the sound and the Meridian CD 200/DAC combo works very well and I am listening to more CDs now. The bluetooth APTx connectivity is great and the quality again is very pleasing.
I’d be really interested in your though on this dac in due course
5 month into this and it continues to improve. Really pleased with it - very musical and no hint of ‘digititis’. No glare or anything similar. The r2r + 2 tubes probably contribute to this and much improved over my original Benchmark IMO. Used mainly for streaming via an Auralic but just added a cd transport for good measure. I only use this with a headamp though and not the 2 channel so no experience in that configuration.
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