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Rare Bird
10-05-2010, 12:37
I was out the other night to listern to some live music down in the Village..I was there early enough to see them set up. The drummer was setting up a brand new set of Drums by a well respected company of yore (They dissapeared in the 70's for a while)..As soon as saw that new kit i got up & went home..I know this brand of Drum kit quite well, they were very good for Jazz based music..In the past i've had a few opportunities to listern to the early 70's kits & the present day, i had no intension in putting myself through the sound of latter again, hence off home.

The thing with older kits is the drum skins were manufactured from Calf Skin where as modern are usualy plastic probably Mylar. Older drums are multi layer Ply, usually an option these days,the only pitfall with Calf skin is the tension alters so slightly with temprature change. Older kits sound far superior to my ears tho a more deeper sound no snappy bright sound you get these days. This is clearly evident on properly recorded drums from late 60's/early '70's..Same goes for snare drums, if it's not a Ludwig chrome snare i don't want to know.

I've always felt that Drumming on recordings has somewhat taken a back seat by the mid '70's Drums are actually one of the most complex instruments to set up/mic up properly in both Studio & live situation.A properly set up old kit done right will reward the listerner sound superb, a badly set up & recorded one will sound just that bad
DSJR
10-05-2010, 17:46
...And most recorded drum-kits sound dire, as they're so loud close up (where the mics are) that the recording system gets stressed very hard, so they compress and equalise all the life out of them :(...

'Course today, most of it is done with drum machines.......................................... ........
Haselsh1
10-05-2010, 18:03
...And most recorded drum-kits sound dire, as they're so loud close up (where the mics are) that the recording system gets stressed very hard, so they compress and equalise all the life out of them :(...

'Course today, most of it is done with drum machines.......................................... ........

I know him, his name's Roland (or is it Alesis...?)
Stratmangler
10-05-2010, 18:05
How old are you talking Andre ?
Calfskin drumheads ?
I didn't know that you were into music preceding the advent of Progressive Rock by at least 10 years.
Let's just say that Remo drum heads have been in constant manufacture since 1957, and they are the defacto standard by which every other drum head is measured.
And Remo heads are, as you rightly point out are made with mylar.

As for walking off before the band even started their set, because you didn't like the look of his new kit - each to his own:mental:
Rare Bird
10-05-2010, 18:20
How old are you talking Andre ?
Calfskin drumheads ?
I didn't know that you were into music preceding the advent of Progressive Rock by at least 10 years.


Shows how much you know.

However a clip here don't know if anyone can hear the difference..

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Stratmangler
10-05-2010, 18:24
And your point is ?
Rare Bird
10-05-2010, 18:26
And your point is ?

That calf skin drum were used in the early 70's
Stratmangler
10-05-2010, 19:02
http://www.remo.com/portal/products/tools/drumhead_finder.html
Rare Bird
10-05-2010, 19:31
do i look intrested?
Mike
10-05-2010, 20:07
Oi... behave! ;)
Stratmangler
10-05-2010, 20:55
do i look intrested?

You're not because it knocks big holes in one of your profound opening statements:ner:
Rare Bird
10-05-2010, 21:10
You're not because it knocks big holes in one of your profound opening statements:ner:

Stop talking out of your arse
Stratmangler
10-05-2010, 21:32
Stop talking out of your arse

You started it - talking out of your arse that is.
goraman
11-05-2010, 04:28
Were talking Slingerland here guys,with calf,goat or lamb skin,Thus skins you dig Daddy O.
Cool Beats back in the day Hep Cat! a deeper,darker Groove.
John
11-05-2010, 04:29
Can we cool it
Cheers
goraman
11-05-2010, 04:32
The Drum kit he's talking about is Slingerland Jhon a very cool kit and they didn't have the hard ring after the strike. Master of prog is dead on.
They often used a very largish bass drum to get a very deep low end with little ring due to the heavyer natural skins.
Much like a paper or fiber speaker cone over a poly cone.
There is a slightly different pitch and faster dampaning leaveing a lower pitched and lightning fast strike followed by dead silence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingerland_Drum_Company


you can still buy natural skins,a real pain in the arse, tighten,tune and trim. The premolded modern skins are so much easyer to install and keep tuned.
http://www.activemusician.com/Calfskins--c3203