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Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 11:01
Another thread brought me to starting this one.
Why is it that peaople claim to be music lovers go listerning or even condone the use of drum machines within music? How can true audiophiles even start to listern to a drum machine over a real drum kit. Quite a bit of my critical listerning is focused around recordings where you can hear certain parts of a drum kit in detail, the stroking of brushes on snare drum, the feel of a proper kick drum, the real rumble of floor tom toms.This aint possible with a box of pre recorded samples!
Another thread brought me to starting this one.
Why is it that peaople claim to be music lovers go listerning or even condone the use of drum machines within music? How can true audiophiles even start to listern to a drum machine over a real drum kit. Quite a bit of my critical listerning is focused around recordings where you can here certain parts of a drum kit in detail, the stroking of brushes on snare drum, the feel of a proper kick drum, the real rumble of floor tom toms.This aint possible with a box of pre recorded samples!
Agree 100% - I've no problem with electronic music that doesn't pretend to be anything but that (although I don't listen to much); what I hate is stuff like Tull's 'Under Wraps' - using machines to replicate real instruments - it just don't work.
I've read that Steely Dan lay claim to using the first ever digital samples on Gaucho (may be mentioned on the re-master sleeve notes), for the cymbals, I think, but then you never know with them if they are not just taking the piss...
Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 12:09
This is my argument with Electronic music for me. People can't understand why i cut off intrest for Tangerine dream after 'Rubycon', Why i cut off Kraftwerk after the first couple albums etc etc people think i'm akward but it's quite simply becaue Drum machines were introduced into the work after.
Stratmangler
02-05-2010, 12:43
Why is it that peaople claim to be music lovers go listerning or even condone the use of drum machines within music? How can true audiophiles even start to listern to a drum machine over a real drum kit.
Why don't we take the arguement back further and ask how anyone can listen to instruments dependent on amplification to make them heard ?
So no electric guitar, bass guitar, Hammond organ, synthesizers.........
If the drum machine is a part of the creative process, what right does the listener have to make comment about it ?
The listener can choose to either listen or not, but that is it.
Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 12:52
Why don't we take the arguement back further and ask how anyone can listen to instruments dependent on amplification to make them heard ?
So no electric guitar, bass guitar, Hammond organ, synthesizers.........
Because the argument is not about anything else but drum machines...Come off it drum machines are use for easyness/financial reasons.
Stratmangler
02-05-2010, 13:13
Because the argument is not about anything else but drum machines...Come off it drum machines are use for easyness/financial reasons.
That is your opinion.
Your opinion is a valid one.
The arguement is flawed in my opinion.
My opinion is also valid.
The drum machine can be a part of the creative process. In fact it can be a major part of the creative process.
We, the listener have no right or say in whether or not a machine is used.
The only thing we can do is either listen or not - that is our choice.
Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 13:26
That is your opinion.
Your opinion is a valid one.
The arguement is flawed in my opinion.
My opinion is also valid.
The drum machine can be a part of the creative process. In fact it can be a major part of the creative process.
We, the listener have no right or say in whether or not a machine is used.
The only thing we can do is either listen or not - that is our choice.
Anyone can use/programme a drum machine you don't have to be a musician do you.They are not creative THINGS at all where on earth you got that idea?
Even though this topic is centred around Drum machines you did mention Synthesizers.I will accept a Synthesizer as a creative instrument BUT only the first Analogue Modular systems (you have to have a basic knowledge in voltage control to even attempt creativity), portable synths were designed for portability on stage, i will Not/Never/Ever accept a digital Synth, they are nothing better than a Drum machine.
Trouble with people is they have listerned to tinki tonki crap for so long they forget they aint proper instruments
Stratmangler
02-05-2010, 13:40
I have not said anything at all about drum machines being creative.
Where did you get that one from ?
I have said that a drum machine can be part of the creative process.
The machine is simply a tool to be used in the creative process. The machine has no creative input to that process. It does what it does. It is the way a human uses what the machine does that is creative.
When you have a machine that is programmed by a human being to provide rhythm then there is already some creative element involved with the process.
Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 13:48
Doent alther the fact That a musician plays an instrument! Drum Machines are not instruments..
Stratmangler
02-05-2010, 13:57
I don't recollect having called a drum machine an instrument, unless you wish to translate the word "tool" into being instrument.
I stand by my statement.....
The drum machine can be a part of the creative process. In fact it can be a major part of the creative process.
We, the listener have no right or say in whether or not a machine is used.
The only thing we can do is either listen or not - that is our choice.
I disagree Andre. It's wonderful when you can have a sensitive and creatinve drummer (and also an animal too :)), but if the drum-machine is part of the process then fine by me..
I bet you HATE Steve Hillage's And Not Or/For To Next and the first two Blue Nile albums, yet these are some of my all time favourites...
TeeDee, What about Ricochet then? That used treated "real" percussion in pt 1 and as for Cyclone, with a drummer sounding like a drum machine.......................
Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 14:11
TeeDee, What about Ricochet then? That used treated "real" percussion in pt 1 and as for Cyclone, with a drummer sounding like a drum machine.......................
Franke play real drums on the 'Ricochet' album :lolsign: .Cyclone is simply tripe IMHO ;)
You telling me when you listern to an album you are actually taking notice of the drum machine! No your not your putting it at the back of your concentration scope, cos thats all they sound like a backing sound..
On Thomas Dolby's "Flat Earth" I think most of the instruments are Fairlight sampled, including the drums, and they sound pretty impressive to me..
Anyway, music I like touches my soul and if it does that, I don't care how it was created tbh - or even what it's played on once I get to know it better..
The Grand Wazoo
02-05-2010, 15:31
I don't like the sound of drum machines either - they have no soul, but to say there can be no creativity in their use is nonsense Andre.
You decide what sound to put where, just as you do with a real drumkit. The creativity is in assembling the various elements of a piece of music to make a cohesive whole. How the sounds are made is something different altogether, surely?
Haselsh1
02-05-2010, 16:03
'In The Air Tonight' by Phil Collins is an absolute classic. It starts with a drum machine way before the gated reverb drums kick into action. Does that make it really bad...? Yes...? Then why did it sell so many copies...?
'In The Air Tonight' by Phil Collins is an absolute classic. It starts with a drum machine way before the gated reverb drums kick into action. Does that make it really bad...? Yes...? Then why did it sell so many copies...?
Probably uses a drum machine because he wrote and recorded it all at home - just easier especially if your not that bothered what it will sound like on decent replay equipment which 99.9% of the people who bought it won't have had - Have to say I never liked his production and it sounds very dated now, although I've a soft spot for one of the Clapton albums he did, 'August'.
Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 17:20
Amazing how the defensive one listern to this shit!
You can be MORE creative with a drum machine if you want to be - you are not restricted by reality (unless you know many drummers with more than two arms) - and quite frankly this sentence "Why is it that peaople claim to be music lovers go listerning or even condone the use of drum machines within music?" is extremely naive and potentially insulting to most of this forum, as well as being absolute crap of course! ;)
Rare Bird
02-05-2010, 20:52
and quite frankly this sentence "Why is it that peaople claim to be music lovers go listerning or even condone the use of drum machines within music?" is extremely naive and potentially insulting to most of this forum, as well as being absolute crap of course! ;)
Another cuckoo :lol:
They work well if you live in an apartment or condo.
Or in a neighborhood close to other homes because you can stay in practace by turning down the volume of even useing headphones.Play till 3:00am with no complaints.
I have heard some nice sounding drum macheins,they get better every year.
But they are no substitute for a real kit.
I am a talentless drummer but had a nice Sonor kit from Germany with Zilgan cymbles.
I had to sell it due to complaints while even practicing with the heads dampened.
A drum machein would have been the way to go.
Techno Commander
16-07-2010, 21:35
As I know many people who use both methods to produce beats for their music, my opinion is somewhat divided on this. Both forms have their place, but both places are quite distinct from each other.
I would also agree that an operator of a drum machine isnt necessarily a musician, but would have to concour they were a composer. :)
Quote from Ian McCullogh on the effect of replacing a drum machine with a real drummer in Echo and The Bunnymen:
'The drum machine smoked less dope. And had a better sense of humour.'
I can always rely on you Joe to raise a titter! :lol:
You can be MORE creative with a drum machine if you want to be
Actually, I think you NEED to be more creative with a drum machine. Done badly they can sound rather dire!
Though I certainly wouldn't write off a boat-load of music, and possibly even whole musical genres, just because there's a drum machine involved. What a waste that would be!
Andre, you don't half come out with some weird ideas at times, mate! :scratch:
Way back i was a fan of the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe live album, the last listenable Yes album. Bruford uses electronic drums while the other dude uses acoustic. I thought it worked well back then. Sounds a bit dated now i suppose.
Techno Commander
16-07-2010, 23:19
Actually, I think you NEED to be more creative with a drum machine. Done badly they can sound rather dire!
I think dire would be an understatement for some things I have heard.:eek:
I think dire would be an understatement for some things I have heard.:eek:
I'm with André on this. It is the sheer uniformity of the drum machine that annoys me. Every note a drummer makes is very slightly different, even if the beat is constant. This is because the strength of each drum or cymbal hit is again very slightly different and can be heard (if only subconsciously). This is what makes it sound human and not mechanical.
Drum machines are one of the two effects that I loath: the other is the use of a vocoder.
Regards
Techno Commander
16-07-2010, 23:32
I totally agree with this statement, probably 85% of what I listen to is played on real instruments. I was merely saying that in the right environment and if done well a drum machine can be good. I certainly do not advocate the use of one in most musical genres.
the other is the use of a vocoder.
Ah, well... whoever invented THAT carbuncle should be strung up by some very tender parts!
Truly dreadful! :brickwall:
I totally agree with this statement, probably 85% of what I listen to is played on real instruments. I was merely saying that in the right environment and if done well a drum machine can be good. I certainly do not advocate the use of one in most musical genres.
Much better put than my feeble attempt! :)
I'm with André on this. It is the sheer uniformity of the drum machine that annoys me. Every note a drummer makes is very slightly different, even if the beat is constant. This is because the strength of each drum or cymbal hit is again very slightly different and can be heard (if only subconsciously). This is what makes it sound human and not mechanical.
Certainly, early drum machines were like that Barry, quantized to an inch of their life and all the same noises, but there's no excuse nowadays using computers and software. Since the early 80's really, with the Linn Drum machines that used samples. I can almost guarantee that there is music that we have all heard where drum machines are used and you wouldn't be able to tell - in my opinion it is no different to pieces that include a Steinway grand piano using samples of one, orchestral strings, brass etc. It is (fortunately, in my opinion) a "good thing" that all of these and genuine sampled drum hits are available, otherwise probably 90% of my favourite music wouldn't exist...
With you on Vocoders though!
I would say that over 99% of my collection does not use drum machines. While I think they have they place I much rather hear a band
Very interesting short film featuring Moby talking about synths & drum machines:
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/watch/motherboard_episode_moby/
Andre, how do you differentiate between synths which I know you like and drum machines which you say you don't? I must say I struggle to understand how you can approve of one, but not the other? :scratch:
Two great records that use a drum machine and which IMHO would not sound 'right' with real drums:
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/515m3KhkqsL__SL160_AA115_.jpg
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac233/Macca_photos_2009/5155EDKKQGL__SL160_AA115_.jpg
Stratmangler
18-07-2010, 10:08
So we have round 2 on this one.
Does it really matter ?
I've got great music with a real drummer playing on it.
I've got great music where you do not hear the sound of a live drum kit because the drum kit was used as a trigger for a sampler.
I've got some great music that uses a drum machine, and some of it couldn't have been done with a moody bastard drummer because they can't just keep time.
Q - What's the difference between a drummer and a drum machine ?
A - You only have to punch the information into the drum machine once !
All i can say is if you so called hifi men are prepared to listern to a drum macine over a real set of drums or even a fake piano over a real one for that matter, your kidding yourselves.
There is a difference between using a drum machine because that is the sound you want on your recording and using a drum machine because although you would like a real drummer you can't get one.
Stratmangler
18-07-2010, 10:41
Since when has the argument had anything to do with hifi ?
! It's impossible for a real drum kit to give you any other sound than what you put out yourself, not the same can be said for a drum machine..But this is another argument, the argument i have here is a drum machine cannot recreate the random pressure or gentleness the drummer hit the drum with, or resonance eminating from the drum shell/skin itself etc etc..get what i mean?
Yes I do get what you mean and I don't disagree - my position is that a drum machine is an instrument in its own right and there is nothing wrong with using it as such. Do they sound anything like real drums? No, of course not.
Stratmangler
18-07-2010, 10:54
This (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nr4t9so7vw7r4i1/Ray Gomez - The World Will Keep On Turning.wav) would never have been as good if a drummer had played on it.
A lot of the elecronic music I have uses drum machines and I have no problem with that as in most cases it suits the music and would probably sound very different and not necessarily better had a real drummer been used. However IMO drum machines have no place in other genres such as rock & blues and for my money the ultimate drum machine would probably be something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47yxLg2RyXM
:)
So we have round 2 on this one.
Sorry Chris, my bad! ;) I don't know why I've even let Andre's ridiculous double-standards wind me up on this one, but I guess I personally could no more dismiss tracks from artists such as Sly & The Family Stone, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Can, Radiohead etc. just because they use a drum machine than I could because they use a digital synth, or because they are from after a certain point in time - all fine for you Andre, if that's your choice or your opinion, but no need to start getting emotional about it, no one's "kidding themselves" that they are listening to anything other than music!
, no one's "kidding themselves" that they are listening to anything other than music!
What about people who like The Smiths?
Stratmangler
18-07-2010, 11:05
Because your buying all this flashy gear in a goal to reach the most real sound you can get recreating every nuance in the music. Dont you for one min miss the resonace from a drum or a piano cabinet over an electronic pre recorded box!!Your all mad.. In my book bud thats as good as anything will do which is actually killing the pig of what you are all trying to strive for.
I'm gonna chuck out all of my audio equipment and recordings and take up the lute.
We've been here before Andre.
I do not disagree with anything you've said on the subject about real instruments and real sounds.
However, if the artist has chosen to use a drum machine then that is their right, and we as the listener have f**k all to contribute to the creative process. That is the crux of the biscuit.
The argument really has nothing whatsoever to do with hifi !
Techno Commander
18-07-2010, 11:21
Because your buying all this flashy gear in a goal to reach the most real sound you can get recreating every nuance in the music. Dont you for one min miss the resonace from a drum or a piano cabinet over an electronic pre recorded box!!
I agree, I do want my music to sound the best it can, I also want to hear all the nuances and tonality of individual instruments. As I said earlier, most of my music is played with real instruments.
I also have some music which is made by 1 guy in a studio using computers, drum machines and synths. I also want to hear this music at its best.
Stratmangler
18-07-2010, 11:24
This (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nr4t9so7vw7r4i1/Ray Gomez - The World Will Keep On Turning.wav) would never have been as good if a drummer had played on it.
Just in case it gets missed, click on the link and have a listen to the track it links to.
What about people who like The Smiths?
They have excellent taste.
Next!
The Vinyl Adventure
18-07-2010, 12:07
Andre admit there is a place in music for drum machines or il set this drum machine on you
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Techno Commander
18-07-2010, 12:13
Ooh, thats harsh.:eek:
Lol - I've just read this thread. Andre, you stick to yer guns, mate! :eyebrows:
I also hate drum machines when used in the wrong context. I much prefer the real thing - however, essentially it's like this:
Drum machines suck if the reason they're being used is as a lazy way to replicate the real thing. In such circumstances, the real thing would always better.
Drum machines are ok (if you like them) when they're been deliberately used to simulate the EFFECT of a real drum kit, together with other synthesised sounds in electronic music, where the intention is to be creative, not realistic. In such circumstances, therefore, the use of real drums would be worse.
It's all to do with whether the intention of the artist is to replicate or simulate, and whether the sound obtained was designed to be creative or realistic. Simples! :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
18-07-2010, 12:20
Lol - I've just read this thread. Andre, you stick to yer guns, mate! :eyebrows:
I also hate drum kits when used in the wrong context. I much prefer the real thing - however, essentially it's like this:
Drum kits suck if the reason they're being used is as a lazy way to replicate the real thing. In such circumstances, the real thing would always better.
Drum kits are ok (if you like them) when they're been deliberately used to simulate the effect of real drums, together with other synthesised sounds in electronic music, where often their effect is creative. In such circumstances the use of real drums would be worse.
Simples! :)
Marco.
Oi !!!
Daftee !
Don'tcha mean drum machines ? :lolsign:
Lol, yes - exactly! I had a late sesh last night and my wee brain hasn't woken up yet. Now sorted!
Marco.
Can you elaborate on that please?
Sorry Andre, I should have said "in my opinion" - but in my opinion, there is no difference listening to music which contains a sound that is synthesised used for the tune compared to a sound that is synthesised as a short stab, used to create a drum sound. (Do you also apply the same argument to the use of sequencers or midi, by the way?)
It is also ironic to me that you dismiss anything that is digital or (by implication) sampled, yet then listen to nothing but a digital sample played through digital equipment and yet belittle and ridicule the rest of us ("so called hifi men") for "kidding ourselves" if we like to listen to anything that contains "fake" instruments! :lol:
Hi Andre,
i just don't understand why folk listern to preset sound, drum machines etc & miss out on a real instrument & everything that goes with the experience of listerning to a real instrument you don't get from a box of sound!
I completely agree with the bit in bold. I'd rather listen to the sound of a real drum kit any day of the week!
However, as I explained earlier, sometimes the intention of an artist is to simulate the effect of real drums, so realism is the opposite of what is wanted, and in turn what is also desired by the listener/music lover, if he or she likes the synthesised sounds that particular artist is known for.
In terms of the job of a hi-fi system, in that respect, it is simply to reproduce, as accurately as possible, either the 'false' effect of the drum machine or the sound of a real drum kit.
If it succeeds at doing either, then by definition the system is achieving its goal of high-fidelity.
That's it in a nutshell! :)
Marco.
Ali Tait
18-07-2010, 13:39
They have excellent taste.
Next!
+1!
+1!
Yes thought that would flush a few out into the open. Do you still have your cardigans then?
I'm not ridiculing anyone so get that clear. i just don't understand why folk listern to preset sound, drum machines etc & miss out on a real instrument & everything that goes with the experience of listerning to a real instrument you don't get from a box of sound!
Indeed matey, and I just don't understand why some folk only listen to one genre of music from one very specific era and miss out on everything else! Horses for courses, if that's what floats your boat then fine, same as it's fine for me to like electronic music that includes drum machines - it doesn't mean we're "kidding ourselves" or "so called hifi men" because we don't agree with you! But, I suspect this is a circular argument!
If we are talking about modern drum machines (assuming you accept that using a computer for music is a "drum machine") then "the argument i have here is a drum machine cannot recreate the random pressure or gentleness the drummer hit the drum with, or resonance eminating from the drum shell/skin itself etc etc..get what i mean?" is factually incorrect, because that's exactly what you would do - change those parameters - to make a drum machine track sound like real drums.
Ali Tait
18-07-2010, 14:17
Yes thought that would flush a few out into the open. Do you still have your cardigans then?
I've never owned any cardigans.
Hi Alex,
If we are talking about modern drum machines (assuming you accept that using a computer for music is a "drum machine") then "the argument i have here is a drum machine cannot recreate the random pressure or gentleness the drummer hit the drum with, or resonance eminating from the drum shell/skin itself etc etc..get what i mean?" is factually incorrect, because that's exactly what you would do - change those parameters - to make a drum machine track sound like real drums.
...except that you'd have no chance whatsoever of making a drum machine sound like real drums for precisely the reasons Andre has given! ;)
My point was that in many instances artists use drum machines to create an abstract drum effect - realism is precisely what they don't want.... In that instance it's ok by me to use a drum machine.
I'm totally against it though when in rock music, out of laziness or simple lack of talent, drum machines are used in place of a human being playing real drums. For me, the only place for drum machines is in synthesised electronic music - nowhere else!
Marco.
P.S Ali, you might not own any cardigans, but I've seen your Christmas jumpers! :lol:
...except that you'd have no chance whatsoever of making a drum machine sound like real drums for precisely the reasons Andre has given! ;)
Sorry, but in the context of modern drum machines as I originally stated, that is wrong. We're straying off the original essence of Andre's argument, because he is talking (I presume) about "old school" drum machines that use synthesised sounds, whereas now real-life samples are used, and "multi samples" at that, so you are not using the same sound for the snare all the way through. Simplistically, all the modern "drum machine" is doing is triggering a digital sample (recording) of a real drum kit - no different to recording a real drum on CD and pressing play on the CD player. But anyway, as I said earlier, we're just going to go round in circles on this one!
Ali Tait
18-07-2010, 14:47
:lolsign:
Sorry, but in the context of modern drum machines as I originally stated, that is wrong. We're straying off the original essence of Andre's argument, because he is talking (I presume) about "old school" drum machines that use synthesised sounds, whereas now real-life samples are used, and "multi samples" at that, so you are not using the same sound for the snare all the way through. Simplistically, all the modern "drum machine" is doing is triggering a digital sample (recording) of a real drum kit - no different to recording a real drum on CD and pressing play on the CD player. But anyway, as I said earlier, we're just going to go round in circles on this one!
I get where you're coming from, Alex, and in that respect you're right.
However, in both scenarios above there exists the artifice of a recording, especially when acoustic instruments are being recorded in the digital domain, and the subtleties that add to realism which Andre's referring to are diluted. Analogue is different, in that respect, as IMO it captures those subtleties more faithfully, hence why in most instances I prefer vinyl to CD.
Removing recordings from the equation, if a talented drummer with a drum kit and a someone with a drum machine are put together in the same room, and the latter is asked to replicate the sound of the former playing those drums, then there is only going to be one winner as to which sound is the most realistic!
Are we in agreement, mon ami? :cool:
Marco.
Rare Bird
18-07-2010, 15:29
I get where you're coming from, Alex, and in that respect you're right.
However, in both scenarios above there exists the artifice of a recording, especially when acoustic instruments are being recorded in the digital domain, and the subtleties that add to realism which Andre's referring to are diluted. Analogue is different, in that respect, as IMO it captures those subtleties more faithfully, hence why in most instances I prefer vinyl to CD.
Removing recordings from the equation, if a talented drummer with a drum kit and a someone with a drum machine are put together in the same room, and the latter is asked to replicate the sound of the former playing those drums, then there is only going to be one winner as to which sound is the most realistic!
Are we in agreement, mon ami? :cool:
Marco.
Thanks (Thank god you better at putting things than me) ;)
Most of the music I play at present features drum machines to drive the rest along - it doesn't bother me.
And talking of real drums, Mick Fleetwood plays and was "voiced" like a drum machine on Tusk anyway, making him almost superfluous :lolsign:
Absolutely no argument there - an actual drum will sound more realistic than a synthesised sound made to be like a drum. (But that doesn't mean I don't like synthesised drums or that someone who programs a drum machine isn't a musician.)
No argument from me there, either, dude.
I do like some electronic music (I'm an 80s boy at heart, after all), but given the choice, I'd still take the sound of a real drum kit any day, especially when the drummer concerned is talented and can really play!!
Marco.
I'm not sure that Orbital would sound good with acoustic instruments ;)
However, the last System 7 album is crying out for a touring band to back Steve & Miquette..
I'm not sure that Orbital would sound good with acoustic instruments ;)
Precisely - which is what I was referring to earlier. Acoustic and electronic instruments both have their place in 'real' music :)
Marco.
Whether generated by human or machine, I trust we can all agree that drum solos are the work of the Devil and should be banned.
Joe,
That statement would've had more impact if you'd written 'man', instead of "human", thus continuing the alliteration of the letter 'm' - just an observation! ;)
Marco.
Best to be on the safe side. We don't want any female drummers sneaking in with their drum solos!
Gosh, yes - very true!!
Marco.
i will Not/Never/Ever accept a digital Synth, they are nothing better than a Drum machine.
Define digital synth. Are you talking about a rompler / wavetable k/b that emulates other instruments which is not a synth. An analogue or Virtual analogue (i.e digital) synth both require skill and knowledge to program a patch before even making use of it :lol:
Digital synths became popular as they are generally cheaper to build, more reliable and have features that are difficult / expensive to do all analogue.
Rare Bird
18-07-2010, 17:44
Define digital synth. Are you talking about a rompler / wavetable k/b that emulates other instruments which is not a synth. An analogue or Virtual analogue (i.e digital) synth both require skill and knowledge to program a patch before even making use of it :lol:
Digital synths became popular as they are generally cheaper to build, more reliable and have features that are difficult / expensive to do all analogue.
Dude i'm not even going there it will only end in tears. :)
What type of synth is used in this?
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I always find this real instrument vs electronic instrument argument interesting. I know many dislike electronic instruments and seem to think unless it is gut stretched across a piece of fine 100 year old wood or a bit of bent brass ;) it does not count as a real instrument. :doh:
Rare Bird
18-07-2010, 18:56
What type of synth is used in this?
Mini Moog Model D ontop ( A very rare Moog muSonics one) & a Vox Continental organ underneith..
Stratmangler
18-07-2010, 19:24
One point nobody seems to have picked up on is the use of samplers.
There is this incorrect assumption that the music being listened to has been arranged and played as it is heard. Many recordings are a hotch potch of samples, where complete choruses are cued in on a sampler. A drum part can frequently be put down in a short space of time, because it is sampled and repeated to fill out the required space.
Trust the bass player to deliver the goods with that killer turn around riff ? Just get the knuckle dragging ape to get it right once (for a change) and you'll be able to cut and paste it in as many times as necessary.
Don't kid yourself that a musician has performed all the way through a recording, because these days it's rarely the case.
I know a few drummers that use triggers and sequencers along with playing drums and this approach seems to work well for them
I know a few drummers that use triggers
There's a few drummers I'd like to use a trigger on.
Mini Moog Model D ontop ( A very rare Moog muSonics one) & a Vox Continental organ underneith..
Ta! An interesting track that one; the first UK hit featuring Giorgio Moroder's songwriting, and also featuring Chris Thomas, the producer, on Moog/keyboard. It's also annoyingly catchy; I've had it my head all day!
Spectral Morn
18-07-2010, 20:35
As in most things it will depend on the implementation and context in which it is used ;)
If I like the music then frankly I don't mind how its done or what instruments are used but it must be done well and sound good.
Regards D S D L
Techno Commander
18-07-2010, 20:53
I think we are in agreement that a drum machine (of any kind) should never be used as a replacement/alternative for a drummer in a real band, or for any type of music created or comceived to be played by a real drummer or with a real instrument.
Phew. :)
So what about music designed not to be played on a real drum kit?
Let me introduce you to the musical nemesis.......
The Korg EMX-1. A computerised, drum machine, sampler and all in one music making device. It isnt designed to sound like anything other than what it is, but does (if you know how to drive it properly), produce a half decent tune.
And it has valves in it.
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That would be Andre's worst nightmare!
Meanwhile here's some real drumming (I wonder how easy it would be for a drum machine to replicate this?):
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That'll be right up Joe's street!! ;)
Marco.
Techno Commander
18-07-2010, 23:40
Superb. :)
Now lets have some more real drumming.
But different.
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Superb. :)
Now lets have some more real drumming.
But different.
LOL8-qIYemg
Good one Andy. Now that did put a smile on my face!
Regards
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