The drumming gorilla strikes again...

[Haselsh1]

The Mail on Sunday have used ultimate wisdom today and given us a free CD of Phil Collins songs. How bloody generous ! They have decided that Phil Collins is now up there with all of the other 'easy listening' dirge that exists out there, and why Not ?
Phil Collins is quoted as saying "People used to think I was musical evil. Now I'm cool". Says who ? Who says you are cool Mr Collins...? All you will be remembered for is a drum solo and a plastic gorilla. That's some summary when you used to be with one of Britains greatest prog rock bands. What the hell happened...? If you'd stuck with drums and not believed all of the 'yes' people who overinflated your ego, you may still be as great as you were back in the days of Genesis with Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel.

[DSJR]

He's a good drummer to be fair and I love his "Brand X" work (the others in BX were superbly accomplished musicians as well)...

I rather like some of his solo work. It seemed cathartic for him at the time in the same way I suspect Macca's "Fireman" stuff is.. The general public loved it and I'm sure he make a good few quid out of it.. I suspect he's impossible to live with though and he certainly has that "little man (heightwise) attitude."

[Macca]

He's a good drummer to be fair and I love his "Brand X" work (the others in BX were superbly accomplished musicians as well)...

I rather like some of his solo work. It seemed cathartic for him at the time in the same way I suspect Macca's "Fireman" stuff is.. The general public loved it and I'm sure he make a good few quid out of it.. I suspect he's impossible to live with though and he certainly has that "little man (heightwise) attitude."

Talented songwriter too. But whoever told him he could sing? They want shooting. I cannot bear to listen to him he is that bad and don't get me wrong I'm no connessieur of vocalists.

[Covenant]

I hated all the easy listening West Coast musak that he produced. Quite liked But Seriously and a few others.
Genesis best was Selling England By The Pound IMHO.

[Haselsh1]

I totally support and agree with what you said about his Brand X work. This was all very skillful stuff and played by Phil when he remained a very accomplished drummer.
The problem I have with this whole story is the way Genesis was dragged down into miredom and made to look so damn stupid in the eighties by what appeared to be Phil Collins. OK so the same thing happened to the great Emmerson, Lake and Palmer as well. How many remember 'Love Beach' :lol: What a Godawful load of crap that was. I guess it was a function of the eighties. Maybe it was destined to be the end for the great seventies prog rock bands. Who knows...? Does anybody actually care...?

[Haselsh1]

I hated all the easy listening West Coast musak that he produced. Quite liked But Seriously and a few others.
Genesis best was Selling England By The Pound IMHO.

Selling England by the Pound was, in my very humble opinion, one of Britains greatest ever music releases. I doubt there shall ever be another to compete in the grandest terms.

[Spectral Morn]

Selling England by the Pound was, in my very humble opinion, one of Britains greatest ever music releases. I doubt there shall ever be another to compete in the grandest terms.

I prefer A Trick Of the Tail :sofa:


Regards D S D L

[REM]

According to Wikipedia the guy has sold 150 million (:eek:) albums and along with Macca and MJ is the only artist to have sold over 100 million albums as part of a group as well. So the question is would you turn that down in order to maintain a bit of cred with an audience of mostly middle aged, male, sad, proggers, self included, btw.

The other bad news is the guy has an lp of new stuff due out and another of Motown covers (does it get any worse) in the can. All this despite being half deaf and having spinal problems which I thought (hoped) would have finished his career off for good, ah well.:rolleyes:

Goodbye...I must be going....to puke

[twelvebears]

Funny enough I was discussing the 'Phil Collins Enigma' with a friend of mine and we both came to the same conclusions:

Talented drummer who produced good stuff with Genesis, and who's slightly odd singing voice actually worked OK with rock music.

However we both agreed that any and all of his solo pop albums qualify as 'Crimes Against Music' in much the same way as Stevie Wonder's classics Ebony & Ivory or I Just Called To Say I Love You.

Also, no-one who looks that much like a gnome who's lost his pipe and pointy hat should take himself seriously.

[DSJR]

He's a man of slight stature with a too-large ego to match as often happens.

Love beach was 1978 IIRC by the way...

Actually, there were some superb 1980's tracks - Mama, Pidgeons etc... and the album with "I Can't Dance" was good as well IMO. the video with the aforementioned track brilliant as Mr Collins does an MJ style slapping all parts of his frontal anatomy and is then lifted by his elbows by the other two and carried off-stage............... :lol:

[snapper]

Love beach was 1978 IIRC by the way...

Actually, there were some superb 1980's tracks - Mama, Pidgeons etc...


If you mean 'Pigeon',it was from 1977.I haven't heard of 'Pidgeons'.Was it an album track?

[Stratmangler]

If you mean 'Pigeon',it was from 1977.I haven't heard of 'Pidgeons'.Was it an album track?

Nope - 'twas a one off.
Match of the Day was also on the single - that was quite good too.

[Alex_UK]

I love Mama and Home by the Sea from the album Genesis (1983). Invisible Touch (1986) is a great album in my opinion (Invisible Touch, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Land of Confusion & Throwing it All Away) - as was We Can't Dance (the one that has I can't Dance on it, DSJR, as well as No Son of Mine & Jesus he Knows Me). I even like the early solo stuff he did, I don't think it was until "A Groovy Kind of Love" that I wanted to punch him in the face...

And how could you not love this!

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[The Grand Wazoo]

I like the 1983 'Genesis' album too - you just have to accept that it's a different sound from before. 'And Then There Were Three' is good too - I agree Neil.

Phil Collins solo albums? Naah, not for me, thanks.

[Haselsh1]

'And then there were three' is considered by the remaining Genesis members as their worst ever album. Personally I'd prefer to leave it rather than take it but each to their own.
'Spot the Pidgeon' was an EP from around 1977 and was a fabulous mini collection of songs. It featured 'Inside and Out' which was one of my personal favourites. I bought it on the then seven inch vinyl that it was released on. Anyone remember EP's...? Those were the days. Also, as far as I can remember, 'Spot the Pidgeon' featured Steve Hackett and so was still borderline 'real' Genesis.
I made the mistake of buying ELP's 'Love Beach' on vinyl. God it was truly awful.

[snapper]

'Spot the Pidgeon' was an EP from around 1977 and was a fabulous mini collection of songs. It featured 'Inside and Out' which was one of my personal favourites. I bought it on the then seven inch vinyl that it was released on. Anyone remember EP's...?


I pulled out my (little) box of 7" singles and played 'Spot The Pigeon' this afternoon.Although I quite enjoyed it,I can hear why they left it off 'Wind & Wuthering'.



Also, as far as I can remember, 'Spot the Pidgeon' featured Steve Hackett and so was still borderline 'real' Genesis.


AFAIK it was the last Genesis release of new material that featured Steve Hackett.

[Rare Bird]

I pulled out my (little) box of 7" singles and played 'Spot The Pigeon' this afternoon.Although I quite enjoyed it,I can hear why they left it off 'Wind & Wuthering'.



I had the 12'' blue vinyl of it.

[Rare Bird]

Nice to see you lot are casually taking the piss of of the shit that early Prog bands latter presented us with.. You'll soon get to realising why my Prog time scale cut of point makes sence

[Rare Bird]

Here goes a 18 year old Phil Collins .. Flaming Youth band.. 'Ark 2' aint a too bad a LP actually

[goraman]

I always thought Phils face was covered by a plastic mask.
He has an odd glow about him.

[Alex_UK]

I always thought Phils face was covered by a plastic mask.
He has an odd glow about him.

Sh!t, you're right!

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[Barry]

The Mail on Sunday have used ultimate wisdom today and given us a free CD of Phil Collins songs. How bloody generous ! They have decided that Phil Collins is now up there with all of the other 'easy listening' dirge that exists out there, and why Not ?
Phil Collins is quoted as saying "People used to think I was musical evil. Now I'm cool". Says who ? Who says you are cool Mr Collins...? All you will be remembered for is a drum solo and a plastic gorilla. That's some summary when you used to be with one of Britains greatest prog rock bands. What the hell happened...? If you'd stuck with drums and not believed all of the 'yes' people who overinflated your ego, you may still be as great as you were back in the days of Genesis with Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel.


Haha - the only reason I went out and bought the Mail on Sunday, was pecisely for the 'free' Phil Collins' CD. Goodness knows there's no other way I would buy the Mail on Sunday!

So what if it's anodyne and 'middle of the road'? Who cares - the 'freebie' makes a great party record.


.... all of his solo pop albums qualify as 'Crimes Against Music' ...

I quite like 'Face value'.


The problem I have with this whole story is the way Genesis was dragged down into miredom and made to look so damn stupid in the eighties by what appeared to be Phil Collins.

Is this a regurgitation of the comment: " 'inventive prog-rock band formed by a bunch of public shoolboys' brought down by the inclusion of 'a grammar school oik of a drummer' "? I think Collin's solo career is a darned sight more listenable than that of those purveyors of utter tosh: Genesis. :sofa:

Suum cuique

Regards

[Ali Tait]

Yet in another thread he calls "In the air tonight" an absolute classic! :eyebrows:

[REM]

Just realised, as it's a Mail freebe that means Mick Parry has a copy, somehow the mental picture of MP sat in front of his 'briks toe tapping to Phil Collins tunes is strangely disturbing.....:lol:

[Haselsh1]

Yet in another thread he calls "In the air tonight" an absolute classic! :eyebrows:

:rolleyes:

I adore 'In The Air Tonight' I own up.

[Haselsh1]

I tend to think Barry is right with his mere suggestion that Prog Rock was self indulgent music for spoilt little public schoolboys. Let's take as an example Mick Rutherford, Tony Banks and Anthony Philips. And who was their first drummer, the one who went on to write books...? I don't remember his drumming but I liked 'Driving Over Lemons'.

[Ali Tait]

I agree Shaun.I think it's a classic too.