Next level up in speaker cables.

[Covenant]

I use Fisual Hollywood Dark Twist cables, recommended by may on AOS and think they are great value for money. What would you recommend that is a clear step up in quality but is not too expensive as speaker and amp are a considerable distance apart?

[Bigman80]

I use Fisual Hollywood Dark Twist cables, recommended by may on AOS and think they are great value for money. What would you recommend that is a clear step up in quality but is not too expensive as speaker and amp are a considerable distance apart?There are few cables that are a true step up for sensible money. The Fisual stuff is superb and I used/use the S-FLEX regularly.

Only recently have I found a clear improvement but it's not cheap.

What gauge is you Hollywood?

[Covenant]

Hi Oliver,
From memory 2.5mm I think.

[Covenant]

Whats the new one you are using Oliver?

[brian2957]

The Fisual Super Pearl is a step up from the Hollywood Jerry .

[struth]

The Fisual Super Pearl is a step up from the Hollywood Jerry .

im using the pearl and yes its better than the twist. not tried the newer version; the name escapes me.

[Covenant]

Thanks chaps,
Do you mean the S-Flex Grant?

[Bigman80]

Whats the new one you are using Oliver?It's my own SPOTFIRE Speaker cable mate. As I say, it's not cheap but it's definitely better.

Has the same materials as the SPOTFIRE tonearm and Interconnect cables. Just more of it! Lol

[Hypnotist]

Thanks chaps,
Do you mean the S-Flex Grant?

Yes its S-Flex, (sorry to jump in Grant)the Super Pearl is no more its dropped from the range, I just bought some Fisual S-Flex Studio 2.5mm and really pleased with it. I did a review and write up here in this section about 2 weeks back here https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?62250-Fisual-S-Flex-Studio-Grade-2-5mm-Review

[Covenant]

It's my own SPOTFIRE Speaker cable mate. As I say, it's not cheap but it's definitely better.

Has the same materials as the SPOTFIRE tonearm and Interconnect cables. Just more of it! LolEek! I need about 11 metres....


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[Bigman80]

Eek! I need about 11 metres....


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[goraman]

A good step up that may surprise you if you are not looking to break the bank.
These cables are 12 AWG. great for tube amps and longer runs, they employ very high quality copper and have 0 micro phonics even laying on a hardwood floor near a subwoofer!
I use it for the run inside my floor standers from the binding posts to the crossover for this reason. It is very transparent and not expensive.
It is deigned for car audio but don't let that put you off .
I made these for a second system, the cables I have now where made from a Sea Wolf Submarine 7 AWG silver Teflon , They are big and I have no idea what on that Sub they where used for but the guy who scrapped it said there was a lot of sensitive equipment removed and there where several of these wires in a long loom left behind.
The cables pictured (coiled up) on the floor are Audison Sonus S212 made in Italy ,if I did not have the Sea Wolfs (pictured green with red and black leads I would use the Audisons.
Check out the S210 below! 2.60 mm conductors.
https://www.fourcaraudio.co.uk/brands/connection/speaker-cable/car-audio-speaker-cable/
https://www.fourcaraudio.co.uk/brands/connection/speaker-cable/

At E 7.50 to E 11.50 per meter it won't break your bank account. It is fantastic stuff to work with believe me, you wont have to use teflex to prevent micro phonics on a hard surface just terminate using the connectors of your choice. 11.meters S212 E 82.50 and S210 E 125.50. 5.5 meters per side I would go with 10 AWG but science suggests you can get away with 16 AWG unless you are using speakers with a 4 ohm load. . https://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-cable-gauge WATCH THE VIDEO IT WILL ENLIGHTEN YOUR MIND ABOUT SPEAKER CABLES.
More wire facts.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

[Stryder5]

https://www.hificollective.co.uk/wire/duelund-dca16ga-tinned-multistrand-copper-wire-cotton-oil-insulated.html

This seems highly regarded, haven't tried it, but I probably will!

Gary

[struth]

Thanks chaps,
Do you mean the S-Flex Grant?Yup think that's the latest incarnation.

[Bigman80]

https://www.hificollective.co.uk/wire/duelund-dca16ga-tinned-multistrand-copper-wire-cotton-oil-insulated.html

This seems highly regarded, haven't tried it, but I probably will!

GaryI've heard this.

[YNWaN]

I would go for the 4mm rather than 2.5.

[Covenant]

I've heard this.

And your opinion Oliver?
Price is for a single cable so really £20 a metre-bit steep for moi.

[Bigman80]

And your opinion Oliver?
Price is for a single cable so really £20 a metre-bit steep for moi.I thought it was ok but I wasn't left thinking "oh! I need some of that!!"

[goraman]

And your opinion Oliver?
Price is for a single cable so really £20 a metre-bit steep for moi.

Reread post #12, new info added. SCIENCE BEHIND SPEAKER CABLE VIDEO IS A MUST WATCH.

[CageyH]

It's my own SPOTFIRE Speaker cable mate. As I say, it's not cheap but it's definitely better.

Has the same materials as the SPOTFIRE tonearm and Interconnect cables. Just more of it! Lol

So basically UP-OCC cable then?

[Bigman80]

A good step up that may surprise you if you are not looking to break the bank.
These cables are 12 AWG. great for tube amps and longer runs, they employ very high quality copper and have 0 micro phonics even laying on a hardwood floor near a subwoofer!
I use it for the run inside my floor standers from the binding posts to the crossover for this reason. It is very transparent and not expensive.
It is deigned for car audio but don't let that put you off .
I made these for a second system, the cables I have now where made from a Sea Wolf Submarine 7 AWG silver Teflon , They are big and I have no idea what on that Sub they where used for but the guy who scrapped it said there was a lot of sensitive equipment removed and there where several of these wires in a long loom left behind.
The cables pictured (coiled up) on the floor are Audison Sonus S212 made in Italy ,if I did not have the Sea Wolfs (pictured green with red and black leads I would use the Audisons.
Check out the S210 below! 2.60 mm conductors.
https://www.fourcaraudio.co.uk/brands/connection/speaker-cable/car-audio-speaker-cable/
https://www.fourcaraudio.co.uk/brands/connection/speaker-cable/

At E 7.50 to E 11.50 per meter it won't break your bank account. It is fantastic stuff to work with believe me, you wont have to use teflex to prevent micro phonics on a hard surface just terminate using the connectors of your choice. 11.meters S212 E 82.50 and S210 E 125.50. 5.5 meters per side I would go with 10 AWG but science suggests you can get away with 16 AWG unless you are using speakers with a 4 ohm load. . https://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-cable-gauge WATCH THE VIDEO IT WILL ENLIGHTEN YOUR MIND ABOUT SPEAKER CABLES.
More wire facts.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htmWatched it, read all the gumph then they say this

"Use the recommendations in this article as a guideline and NOT a biblical source. *There is no magic number when choosing what gauge to use over a specific distance since the system dynamics are often too complex*. But, if you’re choosing between two cable gauges, I usually recommend going for the lower one"

What a cop out!

[Bigman80]

So basically UP-OCC cable then?Buy some, find out [emoji6]

[Covenant]

A good step up that may surprise you if you are not looking to break the bank.
These cables are 12 AWG. great for tube amps and longer runs, they employ very high quality copper and have 0 micro phonics even laying on a hardwood floor near a subwoofer!
I use it for the run inside my floor standers from the binding posts to the crossover for this reason. It is very transparent and not expensive.
It is deigned for car audio but don't let that put you off .
I made these for a second system, the cables I have now where made from a Sea Wolf Submarine 7 AWG silver Teflon , They are big and I have no idea what on that Sub they where used for but the guy who scrapped it said there was a lot of sensitive equipment removed and there where several of these wires in a long loom left behind.
The cables pictured (coiled up) on the floor are Audison Sonus S212 made in Italy ,if I did not have the Sea Wolfs (pictured green with red and black leads I would use the Audisons.
Check out the S210 below! 2.60 mm conductors.
https://www.fourcaraudio.co.uk/brands/connection/speaker-cable/car-audio-speaker-cable/
https://www.fourcaraudio.co.uk/brands/connection/speaker-cable/

At E 7.50 to E 11.50 per meter it won't break your bank account. It is fantastic stuff to work with believe me, you wont have to use teflex to prevent micro phonics on a hard surface just terminate using the connectors of your choice. 11.meters S212 E 82.50 and S210 E 125.50. 5.5 meters per side I would go with 10 AWG but science suggests you can get away with 16 AWG unless you are using speakers with a 4 ohm load. . https://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-cable-gauge WATCH THE VIDEO IT WILL ENLIGHTEN YOUR MIND ABOUT SPEAKER CABLES.
More wire facts.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

Thanks Jeff,
Interesting stuff, There is a dealer only 7 miles from me. I presume when they say silver they mean silver plated? The most important aspect of a cable to me is that the bass is not exaggerated-I have transmission line floor standers that can produce boom if the bass is not controlled. Also would the S210 E bend around a patio door reveal?

[CageyH]

Buy some, find out [emoji6]

Buy some what?

I am currently using a speaker cable that suits my speakers very well. I am happy, so why change for the sake of changing?
Does it get better, or just slightly different, and then you realise that you prefer the older stuff when you put it back in?

[Stratmangler]

https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/3882/fisual-s-flex-studio-grade-white-speaker-cable-2-x-4mm/

[CageyH]

No thanks. They don’t ship to France.
I currently have some Graham Slee Spatia fitted.
Sounds fine to me.

[Stratmangler]

I didn't post it for your benefit Kevin.

[Bigman80]

No thanks. They don’t ship to France.
I currently have some Graham Slee Spatia fitted.
Sounds fine to me.Do you need a trade account now you're working for Graham Slee?

Surely name dropping specific brands, as you would when fully associated with that brand, qualities as you working in the trade?

[CageyH]

I didn't post it for your benefit Kevin.

I wasn’t sure, as it followed my post asking what it was that was suggested That I buy.

[struth]

https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/3882/fisual-s-flex-studio-grade-white-speaker-cable-2-x-4mm/

ordered a couple of metres fully wired for my monos. see if its better than the pearl

[CageyH]

Do you need a trade account now you're working for Graham Slee?

Surely name dropping specific brands, as you would when fully associated with that brand, qualities as you working in the trade?

Surely this is way off topic and probably better addressed elsewhere? Have you just been asked to open a trade account or something?

To make it clear, I am not working for Graham Slee.
I am a volunteer and run a European loan scheme that anybody in the U.K. cannot benefit from, as the have to use the U.K. loan scheme. I spoke to Marco and decided it was best to make it clear (so that anybody can see any bias in my posts). He also suggested that I ran a system blog.

I don’t try and sell anything with any of my posts.

[Stratmangler]

Do you need a trade account now you're working for Graham Slee?

Surely name dropping specific brands, as you would when fully associated with that brand, qualities as you working in the trade?

He doesn't work for Graham Slee.
He does coordinate the European Loan Scheme on a purely voluntary basis.
Kevin has no financial gain, but he does get the toy box to play with when items are not out on loan.

[Bigman80]

Surely this is way off topic and probably better addressed elsewhere? Have you just been asked to open a trade account or something?

To make it clear, I am not working for Graham Slee.
I am a volunteer and run a European loan scheme that anybody in the U.K. cannot benefit from, as the have to use the U.K. loan scheme. I spoke to Marco and decided it was best to make it clear (so that anybody can see any bias in my posts). He also suggested that I ran a system blog.

I don’t try and sell anything with any of my posts.I don't think its off topic. I think on a recommendation thread, when the cable you are "very happy with" is the same brand you've just taken on a role with, it's pertinent to ask whether you're now trade or not.

Whether you should be paying for you account or not is up to Marco to decide.

Same as with anyone else who is advertising/selling their wares on the forum. One rule for all.

[Bigman80]

ordered a couple of metres fully wired for my monos. see if its better than the pearlIt's good stuff Grant. I use it regularly.

[struth]

It's good stuff Grant. I use it regularly.

i like the super pearl so hoping this will be as good preferably better. just a metre a side. long enough

[CageyH]

Same as with anyone else who is advertising/selling their wares on the forum. One rule for all.

I am not selling or advertising anything anywhere.
It’s a good speaker cable. It may not suit all speakers, or everybody’s taste. I am currently using it, and will probably switch back to my Talk 3 cable soon, as the Spatia is not mine but I wanted to try it with my speakers.

Nowhere do I mention a price, or that it is available to buy from me, (so theoretically I am not selling or advertising anything).

[Bigman80]

I am not selling or advertising anything anywhere.
It’s a good speaker cable. It may not suit all speakers, or everybody’s taste. I am currently using it, and will probably switch back to my Talk 3 cable soon, as the Spatia is not mine but I wanted to try it with my speakers.

Nowhere do I mention a price, or that it is available to buy from me, (so theoretically I am not selling or advertising anything).Only you know if you're receiving any incentive for your role. I am not suggesting you are but your association will raise that question.

If you'd have put the last bit of your post about swapping back, on your original post, I probably wouldn't have questioned it.

[CageyH]

You are jumping to conclusions.
I am not the only person here who knows how the loan scheme coordinator role works.
Read the posts.

The cable suits my system, and I like how it sounds. What more is there to say.
I know it is not SPOTFIRE, but such is life.

I am not going to get in to an argument about this. If that is the way it is going to be, then I shall go back to posting here less often.

[Bigman80]

You are jumping to conclusions.
I am not the only person here who knows how the loan scheme coordinator role works.
Read the posts.

The cable suits my system, and I like how it sounds. What more is there to say.
I know it is not SPOTFIRE, but such is life.

I am not going to get in to an argument about this. If that is the way it is going to be, then I shall go back to posting here less often.No need to get bitchy, Kevin. I just raised a query about your motivation to post.

Just for clarification.

Oh, I didn't know GS did speaker cable, now I do, technically you have advertised a product. Successfully too.

[CageyH]

You are doing it again.

I am not getting bitchy. Written word is notoriously hard to understand the context in which it was written.

I mentioned SPOTFIRE, so does that mean I am selling it and advertising it as well? ;)
It is quite easy for me not to mention any of the products I have in the European toy box in the future if it offends anybody. Just let me know....

[Bigman80]

You are doing it again.

I am not getting bitchy. Written word is notoriously hard to understand the context in which it was written.

I mentioned SPOTFIRE, so does that mean I am selling it and advertising it as well? ;)
It is quite easy for me not to mention any of the products I have in the European toy box in the future if it offends anybody. Just let me know....Ok, I accept context may have been lost.

No harm intended. Shall we move on?

[CageyH]

Oh yes....

[goraman]

Thanks Jeff,
Interesting stuff, There is a dealer only 7 miles from me. I presume when they say silver they mean silver plated? The most important aspect of a cable to me is that the bass is not exaggerated-I have transmission line floor standers that can produce boom if the bass is not controlled. Also would the S210 E bend around a patio door reveal?

Keep in mind this is the same company that makes an incredible Theseus car amp $14,000 to 20,000 dollars and a car speaker line that out of this world so there commitment to car audio Hi Fi is way ahead of everyone else.
Every product they sell is tested to death wires in a car will experience way more vibration,moisture,RF interference and abuse than anything in your home. They are soft and perfect to make that patio door bend.
BTW there speaker cable is braided to work best in one direction so look for those little arrows!