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Hi Guys,
Please see message on Noticeboard: https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?61282-You-can-now-Contribute-to-Support-The-Art-of-Sound&p=1032554#post1032554
This is further to the thread started here about Pop-Up ads and voluntary donations: https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?60873-Adverts-embedded-in-posts&p=1031197#post1031197
Should you wish to support AoS and contribute towards the running costs of the site, you can now do so by clicking on the 'Contribute' tab, just to the right of the New Posts button at the top of the homepage, and be ad-free, without needing to use an ad-blocker!
Many thanks to all who have contributed so far, and all feedback is welcome:cool:
Marco.
jandl100
19-11-2018, 07:31
I'm happy to help out a bit what with the reduction in recent forum income. :thumbsup:
Wow - look. I'm an official AOS Contributor. :eek:
Makes me proud. :hifive: :D
Pigmy Pony
19-11-2018, 07:37
I'm a bit confused as to whether the amounts shown in the drop-down menu are say, monthly amounts. annual, or one-off payments. A contributor may for instance be happy to pay £5 per month but are not able to stump up £60 in one go for a year's worth. Is it possible here to make monthly payments by standing order/direct debit? Am I overthinking this?
Beechwoods
19-11-2018, 07:39
All contributions are one-off payments, unfortunately the system we use doesn't handle ongoing subscriptions, but the thought is very kind!
Pigmy Pony
19-11-2018, 08:00
Hi Nick,
A one-off payment will undoubtedly help in the short term, but surely that money will run out at some point. Perhaps a repeated post when that point approaches will ensure continued 'solvency'. :) Again, apologies if I'm making things look unnecessarily complicated.
jandl100
19-11-2018, 08:11
How long does my coveted AOS Contributor badge last?
Will I be shown up as a cheapskate after 6 months by the disappearance of the coveted badge if I don't deliver another dollop of £mullah? :o
These things matter, you know! :lol:
Pigmy Pony
19-11-2018, 08:20
How long does my coveted AOS Contributor badge last?
Will I be shown up as a cheapskate after 6 months by the disappearance of the coveted badge if I don't deliver another dollop of £mullah? :o
These things matter, you know! :lol:
Of course they matter - if your badge is suddenly taken away, it's going to look bare up there, a bit like when you take down your Christmas decorations :(
it only lasts a day so enjoy it while you can ;)
jandl100
19-11-2018, 08:23
.... perhaps a polite reminder by PM after 1 year along the lines of "It is now a year since your last generous donation to the upkeep of the forum, perhaps you would consider shoving in another dollop?" - or similar. :)
EDIT: or after a day, as it might be.
How long does my coveted AOS Contributor badge last?
Will I be shown up as a cheapskate after 6 months by the disappearance of the coveted badge if I don't deliver another dollop of £mullah? :o
These things matter, you know! :lol:
It lasts until you embrace the joys of Tannoys... You should have if for life then!:D
Marco.
.... perhaps a polite reminder by PM after 1 year along the lines of "It is now a year since your last generous donation to the upkeep of the forum, perhaps you would consider shoving in another dollop?" - or similar. :)
That's what we'll probably do:)
Marco.
If I wait till Thursday do I get an OAP rate - I get my Welsh bus pass this week :D
Heh-heh... I'll knit you a special 'Timbo' onesie to celebrate!:eyebrows:
Btw folks, just in case any of you were wondering, we're not unique in activating a Donations tab, for this purpose. pfm have been operating a similar system for some time, which you'll see if you're a logged-in member at the top of the forum's homepage: https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/
Note the 'Donations' tab, next to the Members list tab. And I'm pretty sure the Wam have been doing it for years, with their 'Founding Member' thing. I think it's a nice chance to put something back into the community, and show you care, especially those of you who advertise regularly on the site, for free, lol!:eek::D;)
Marco.
More than happy to contribute to such a friendly and informative forum. Long may it continue ;)
Cheers, Simon:thumbsup:
Btw folks, please remember that you can choose to Donate anonymously, should you wish to do so. If you would prefer this, please select 'No' under the 'Disclose Amount' option and drop me a PM. In that instance, no Contributor badge will appear next to your name.
Marco.
May I ask what where the contribution money goes?
Isn't AoS built on free software?, yes there will be annual costs to keep the forum running and the domain name, but I can't see them being too high.
Also, you have moderators, but I assume that they are not paid for their efforts?
Additionally, if someone was to contribute, does that automatically give them a right to dictate or question the running of the forum, or would they be expected to be a silent partner?
It would be good to have a breakdown of where my money would be going if I chose to invest, especially as you already have ads, traders and now members contributing.
May I ask what where the contribution money goes?
Isn't AoS built on free software?, yes there will be annual costs to keep the forum running and the domain name, but I can't see them being too high.
Also, you have moderators, but I assume that they are not paid for their efforts?
Additionally, if someone was to contribute, does that automatically give them a right to dictate or question the running of the forum, or would they be expected to be a silent partner?
It would be good to have a breakdown of where my money would be going if I chose to invest, especially as you already have ads, traders and now members contributing.
I'm no expert but I think that although the software itself may be free there are significant hosting costs involved?
I don't know about this forum but Moderators are usually volunteers (thanks for their efforts)
EDIT A quick google search suggests between 10 and 1000 USD per month depending on size and bandwidth
May I ask what where the contribution money goes?
Isn't AoS built on free software?, yes there will be annual costs to keep the forum running and the domain name, but I can't see them being too high.
Also, you have moderators, but I assume that they are not paid for their efforts?
Additionally, if someone was to contribute, does that automatically give them a right to dictate or question the running of the forum, or would they be expected to be a silent partner?
It would be good to have a breakdown of where my money would be going if I chose to invest, especially as you already have ads, traders and now members contributing.
no-one is twisting your arm, and no, you dont get any privileges bar what was stated. Its quite expensive to run this forum, and thats why it was introduced.
I personally don't care if somebody is making is making a few quid out of it, they've made the effort to provide this forum for us to use and enjoy.
The advice and chat I've had since joining a couple of months are worth what I've put in, and that was less than a night in the pub (makes me sound tight when I put it like that):lol:
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your feedback. Let's take your questions individually:
May I ask what where the contribution money goes?
Into a Paypal account. The funds accrued will be put towards the running costs of the site (as outlined below).
Isn't AoS built on free software?, yes there will be annual costs to keep the forum running and the domain name, but I can't see them being too high.
No, unfortunately not. The site runs on Vbulletin software (currently Version 4.2.3), the cost of which is paid for annually. You may not see the costs being too high, but I can assure you that they are significant (and rising all time), as the site grows and therefore requires more maintenance, due to increased bandwidth.
The biggest payment is to the company we use for maintaining the database (via our dedicated server) and the technicians who carry out the necessary work, which is on-going. Also, when the site is offline, due to a fault (as has occurred a few times recently), the technical support required to fix the issue is payable at an hourly rate + initial investigation fee. Therefore, the longer it takes to fix the problem, the more it costs!;)
Also, you have moderators, but I assume that they are not paid for their efforts?
Nope. They do it for the love of it, bless 'em!:eyebrows:
Additionally, if someone was to contribute, does that automatically give them a right to dictate or question the running of the forum, or would they be expected to be a silent partner?
ALL members are free to offer their input/praise/constructive criticism at any time, hence the existence of 'Critic's Corner' (or here) - and that applies whether they've made a donation or not. Also, no favouritism will be shown to those who donate. Members will always be treated equally, whether they help support the site financially or not, based on the quality of their contributions.
It would be good to have a breakdown of where my money would be going, especially as you already have ads, traders and now members contributing.
Sorry, that's not going to happen. I've already outlined where the money goes. You're not buying shares in ownership of the site, which would entitle you to such information. Quite simply, there is no onus on anyone to make a donation. It's completely voluntary. No-one will be thought of any worse for not doing so.
However, should you choose to donate, then it's done on the basis of simply acting a small 'thank you' for providing the forum, including a highly active classifieds section with which to advertise and/or buy equipment. This area is currently free to all registered members, unlike many other forums of similar size, who charge their members for the privilege, and also place various restrictions upon their ability to gain access to that area of the site (minimum post quotas and so on).
Most large forums, not just hi-fi-related ones, have ads and traders contributing to costs. This is certainly true of both pfm and Wigwam, both of which have also been operating a membership Donations system for some time. Therefore, AoS is now simply being brought into line with those. Indeed, it is something that has been mentioned before and suggested by members (not us), so implementing it now seemed as good a time as any.
Hope this helps answer your questions:cool:
Marco.
May I ask what where the contribution money goes?
Isn't AoS built on free software?, yes there will be annual costs to keep the forum running and the domain name, but I can't see them being too high.
Also, you have moderators, but I assume that they are not paid for their efforts?
.
Yeah I wish. The only thing the moderators get is grief.
There's now a huge amount of traffic on this forum consequently the running costs are a lot higher than for some other hi-fi forums you may be familiar with. Wigwam and PFM both have the same issue and consequently both solicit contributions (and have a lot of ads in the case of wigwam). The alternative is to have adverts plastered all over the place like some of the yank forums and nobody wants that.
walpurgis
19-11-2018, 16:58
May I ask what where the contribution money goes?
Isn't AoS built on free software?, yes there will be annual costs to keep the forum running and the domain name, but I can't see them being too high.
Also, you have moderators, but I assume that they are not paid for their efforts?
Additionally, if someone was to contribute, does that automatically give them a right to dictate or question the running of the forum, or would they be expected to be a silent partner?
It would be good to have a breakdown of where my money would be going if I chose to invest, especially as you already have ads, traders and now members contributing.
I thought this post was a wind-up initially.
Just a small point, folks... For those of you who would like to make a donation, but don't have a Paypal account, please PM me, where payment by cheque of bank transfer can be arranged instead (as indeed someone has just done, which prompted this post). Cheers!:cool:
Marco.
I thought this post was a wind-up initially.
I thought it was f***ING rude myself
Audio Al
19-11-2018, 18:33
May I ask what where the contribution money goes?
Isn't AoS built on free software?, yes there will be annual costs to keep the forum running and the domain name, but I can't see them being too high.
Also, you have moderators, but I assume that they are not paid for their efforts?
Additionally, if someone was to contribute, does that automatically give them a right to dictate or question the running of the forum, or would they be expected to be a silent partner?
It would be good to have a breakdown of where my money would be going if I chose to invest, especially as you already have ads, traders and now members contributing.
OMG :rolleyes: Really :(:doh:
More than happy to chuck a few quid in the kitty for all this entertainment/knowledge/ advice.
To Marco & the mods
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Cheers, Roy. Great having you here, mate - always enjoy reading your posts, on a variety subjects!:cool:
Marco.
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Cheers, Andy:thumbsup:
Marco.
Thanks for all of the varied responses.
I do however take exception to my note being described as either a wind up or f***ing rude. The only thing rude was those statements.
Whilst I am no longer a prolific poster on this forum, due to both personal circumstances, I now have a 1 year old son who takes priority, and I favor another forum, i do keep an eye on this forum and as I do a number of others.
I felt I was well within my right as a member of this forum to request the information that I have and am content with some of the responses.
Because I am entirely unclear where the money I could invest would be going, I am afraid I won't contribute, but I do wish the forum well and will continue to look in from time to time.
More than happy to contribute been a member for a very short time but really enjoy this forum
Thanks to everyone that make AoS possible
Because I am entirely unclear where the money I could invest would be going, .
It's a donation not an investment and it has been made quite clear where it is going.
Thanks for all of the varied responses.
I do however take exception to my note being described as either a wind up or f***ing rude. The only thing rude was those statements.
Whilst I am no longer a prolific poster on this forum, due to both personal circumstances, I now have a 1 year old son who takes priority, and I favor another forum, i do keep an eye on this forum and as I do a number of others.
I felt I was well within my right as a member of this forum to request the information that I have and am content with some of the responses.
Because I am entirely unclear where the money I could invest would be going, I am afraid I won't contribute, but I do wish the forum well and will continue to look in from time to time.
Playing devils advocate Paul and maybe you didn't intend it to, but your questioning seemed a tad ungracious and confrontational. Totally correct to ask yes, but perhaps it could have been worded a little more tactfully, hence some of the responses you received. I raised an eyebrow myself to be honest.
It's voluntary, do it or don't do it, up to you and as Martin says it's not an investment. I donate to Wikipedia every-year, I don't know exactly where that money goes, but one has to have a little trust if we want these services to continue ;)
Hi Paul,
I felt I was well within my right as a member of this forum to request the information that I have and am content with some of the responses.
Because I am entirely unclear where the money I could invest would be going, I am afraid I won't contribute, but I do wish the forum well and will continue to look in from time to time.
As for the first bit, I entirely agree and hope that you found my response, in that respect, satisfactory. Members are of course entitled to, within reason, offer their opinions on your input.
In terms of the last bit, that's entirely your decision. However, I'm at a loss as to how I could've been any clearer where your donation would be going, short of providing bank statements?:hmm:
The main cost involves paying the company concerned to maintain our database, which is on-going and increasing, as the forum grows in size, and especially when faults occur. The rest goes on paying VBulletin for the software used to run the forum. And anything left over is reinvested in the site at a later stage, or when unexpected costs arise, and also to fund future VB upgrades.
Therefore, in terms of any lack of clarity, I think you're being somewhat unreasonable. Plus, as Martin has mentioned, I think you're also struggling to differentiate between an investment and a donation.
Furthermore, as others have said, chipping in a fiver or tenner as thanks for the 'entertainment' alone that this place provides, and which is appreciated by regulars, is considered as being good value. That's another valid way of looking at donations, other than simply representing funds received towards the site's running costs, and in which case don't need justifying.
Anyway, you've made your decision, which of course I respect:)
Marco.
More than happy to contribute been a member for a very short time but really enjoy this forum
Thanks to everyone that make AoS possible
Thanks, Kevin. It's always great receiving such support and positive feedback, especially from new members, which shows that we're doing something right!:cool:
Marco.
Playing devils advocate Paul and maybe you didn't intend it to, but your questioning seemed a tad ungracious and confrontational. Totally correct to ask yes, but perhaps it could have been worded a little more tactfully, hence some of the responses you received. I raised an eyebrow myself to be honest.
It's voluntary, do it or don't do it, up to you and as Martin says it's not an investment. I donate to Wikipedia every-year, I don't know exactly where that money goes, but one has to have a little trust if we want these services to continue ;)
Fair enough, Tim, it was not in anyway meant in that way.
Hi Paul,
As for the first bit, I entirely agree and hope that you found my response, in that respect, satisfactory. Members are of course entitled to, within reason, offer their opinions on your input.
In terms of the last bit, that's entirely your decision. However, I'm at a loss as to how I could've been any clearer where your donation would be going, short of providing bank statements?:hmm:
The main cost involves paying the company concerned to maintain our database, which is on-going and increasing, as the forum grows, and especially when faults occur. The rest goes on paying VBulletin for the software used to run the forum. And anything left over is reinvested in the site at a later stage, or when unexpected costs arise, and also to fund future VB upgrades.
Therefore, in terms of any lack of clarity, I think you're being somewhat unreasonable. Plus, as Martin has mentioned, I think you're also struggling to differentiate between an investment and a donation.
Plus, as others have said, chipping in a fiver or tenner as thanks for the 'entertainment' alone that this place provides, and which is appreciated by regulars, is considered as being good value. That's another valid way of looking at donations, other than simply representing funds received towards the site's running costs, and in which case don't need justifying.
Anyway, you've made your decision, which of course I respect:)
Marco.
Thanks Marco. I guess my point was that whilst I know it is not cheap to run a forum, it is equally not terribly expensive dependent on what software/technical support you chose to use, and as you already have adds and dealer contributions, I struggle to understand what the extra money is required for. Equally, I don't run the forum, and don't know the finer details so am happy to step out of the conversation.
I'm fine with contributing; I suppose it would be helpful to understand what sort of order of magnitude the costs of running the forum, ie £1k, £10k or whatever. Certainly it would be rude to ask for a breakdown and I'm sure it would open a can of worms as someone would challenge it. I only suggest some form of wide range is given for the costs as this might help contributors decide how much to contribute.
dantheman91
20-11-2018, 14:34
Made a small donation i have been here for a long time now and Marco and the team do a fantastic job with keeping things running...
Keep up the great work guys..:)
Hi Paul,
Thanks Marco. I guess my point was that whilst I know it is not cheap to run a forum, it is equally not terribly expensive dependent on what software/technical support you chose to use, and as you already have adds and dealer contributions, I struggle to understand what the extra money is required for.
No problem, but surely you must accept that if additional funding weren't required, I wouldn't have the need to address it? As Tim has said, there has to exist a level of trust.
The software/technical support we employ isn't cheap because we pay for dedicated personnel to manage our database, 24/7. Therefore, should the site go down, due to a fault or some other unforeseen issue (which has happened three times this year so far, the additional costs of resolving which weren't budgeted for), then no matter what time it is, we can raise a ticket and get it fixed, ASAP!:)
In that respect, we're very happy with the service we receive (indeed I expect certain standards here, in order to maintain sustained availability of the forum for members, with minimal downtime), so have no desire to downgrade to something cheaper, but in that respect, worse.
The ads at their current level of visibility just about make up the shortfall in income from Skimlinks, so that issue is fortunately now almost resolved, but of course any income generated from such cannot be *guaranteed*, unfortunately in the same way as our costs!
Some days there is next to no income produced, depending on the number of clicks on said ads, which is how that income is generated, and other days it's better. However, I need to ensure that there is sufficient cleared funds available every month, in order to pay the site's running costs (and anything unexpected that crops up), to prevent me from being too much out of pocket at any given time (we'll get to that in a minute).
...which brings us neatly onto dealer contributions. These cannot be guaranteed either, because dealers come and go, and many after paying for their first year, fail to renew again (for various reasons), and of course that also presumes you can get the money off those who do, when it's due:rolleyes: That's another story, though!
There has also been a general downturn in the number of members of the trade joining the forum to advertise, therefore combined with the above, as already explained, is also another reason for the shortfall in income we've experienced recently.
Plus, there is also the question of cash flow. It's often the case that bills need to be paid before the necessary funds have arrived, and that applies especially to those from trade fees, as you can only ask someone to pay to renew their account, when their old one has expired...
Therefore, it comes down to timing, and if bills arrive when no-one, or few traders are due to renew their accounts, then I can be left out of pocket for weeks, sometime months, until someone renews and I'm reimbursed. The bills, however, still have to be paid in the meantime, regardless!
Lastly, as I've already stated, I'm *very focused* on AoS being entirely self-funding, and so will do whatever is necessary to enure that happens. Anyway, these are things no-one thinks about, or would know, unless you've run a forum such as this, but whilst we're at it, I thought it would be of interest to everyone, not just you, to outline them :cool:
Marco.
Hi Clive,
I'm fine with contributing; I suppose it would be helpful to understand what sort of order of magnitude the costs of running the forum, ie £1k, £10k or whatever. Certainly it would be rude to ask for a breakdown and I'm sure it would open a can of worms as someone would challenge it. I only suggest some form of wide range is given for the costs as this might help contributors decide how much to contribute.
I know where you're coming from, but I'm unhappy placing any onus (or pressure) on members like that, by basing their contributions on the forum's running costs, which I also reserve the right to remain private.
Therefore, any donations made should simply represent what someone is willing to give, based on their own judgement criteria. In that respect, any amount donated is very gratefully received, including your own, so thanks for that and I hope you continue enjoying the forum.
We'll certainly continue trying to make it a fun place to hang out:cool:
Marco.
Hi Clive,
I know where you're coming from, but I'm unhappy placing any onus (or pressure) on members like that, by basing their contributions on the forum's running costs, which I also reserve the right to remain private.
Therefore, any donations made should simply represent what someone is willing to give, based on their own judgement criteria. In that respect, any amount donated is very gratefully received, including your own, so thanks for that and I hope you continue enjoying the forum.
We'll certainly continue trying to make it a fun place to hang out:cool:
Marco.
That's fine Marco, it is a tough line to tread and once you start to open up the detail it would be hard to stop as follow up questions would be asked, so I understand.
Sure, Clive. The bottom line is to just let me worry about paying the bills, and members can simply concentrate on enjoying the forum, and if they feel like donating something, then great:)
Marco.
Firebottle
20-11-2018, 15:53
Lets put it into context, for the price of 2 bottles of beer you have 12 month of entertainment, plus technical advice.
Good or what :cool:
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 16:22
Hi Paul,
No problem, but surely you must accept that if additional funding weren't required, I wouldn't have the need to address it? As Tim has said, there has to exist a level of trust.
The software/technical support we employ isn't cheap because we pay for dedicated personnel to manage our database, 24/7. Therefore, should the site go down, due to a fault or some other unforeseen issue (which has happened three times this year so far, the additional costs of resolving which weren't budgeted for), then no matter what time it is, we can raise a ticket and get it fixed, ASAP!:)
In that respect, we're very happy with the service we receive (indeed I expect certain standards here, in order to maintain sustained availability of the forum for use by our members, with minimal downtime), so have no desire to downgrade to something cheaper, but in that respect, worse.
The ads at their current level of visibility just about make up the shortfall in income from Skimlinks, so that issue is fortunately now almost resolved, but of course any income generated from such cannot be guaranteed, unfortunately in the same way as costs!
Some days there is next to no income produced, depending on the number of clicks on said ads, which is how that income is generated, and other days it's better. However, I need to ensure that there is sufficient cleared funds available every month, in order to pay the site's running costs (and anything unexpected that crops up), to prevent me from being too much out of pocket at any given time (we'll get to that in a minute).
...which brings us neatly onto dealer contributions. These cannot be guaranteed either, because dealers come and go, and many after paying for their first year, fail to renew again (for various reasons), and of course that also presumes you can get the money off those who do, when it's due:rolleyes: That's another story, though!
There has also been a general downturn in the number of members of the trade joining the forum to advertise, therefore combined with the above, as already explained, is also another reason for the shortfall in income we've experienced recently.
Plus, there is also a question of cash flow. It's often the case that bills have to be paid before the necessary funds have arrived, and that applies especially to those from trade fees, as you can only ask someone to pay to renew their account, when their old one has expired...
Therefore, it comes down to timing, and if bills arrive when no-one, or few traders are due to renew their accounts, then I can be left out of pocket for weeks, sometime months, until someone renews and I'm reimbursed. The bills, however, still have to be paid in the meantime, regardless!
Lastly, as I've already stated, I'm *very focused* on AoS being entirely self-funding, and so will do whatever is necessary to enure that happens. Anyway, these are things no-one thinks about, or would know, unless you've run a forum such as this, but whilst we're at it, I thought it would be of interest to everyone, not just you, to outline them :cool:
Marco.
It's not the forum that's growing, just the length of Marco's posts :D
And he charges by the word so get donating people!
Thanks for all of the varied responses.
I do however take exception to my note being described as either a wind up or f***ing rude. The only thing rude was those statements.
Whilst I am no longer a prolific poster on this forum, due to both personal circumstances, I now have a 1 year old son who takes priority, and I favor another forum, i do keep an eye on this forum and as I do a number of others.
I felt I was well within my right as a member of this forum to request the information that I have and am content with some of the responses.
Because I am entirely unclear where the money I could invest would be going, I am afraid I won't contribute, but I do wish the forum well and will continue to look in from time to time.
You were ASKED for an ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY DONATION and decided to interrogate the site owner over where the money would be going and don't think that's rude? If I were Marco I would have been quite offended by this as it was indirectly questioning his integrity.
As for your "right" as a forum member? What "right" is that exactly? You don't even have a right to use the forum never mind ask about its financial running, this forum is a free service kindly provided for people to use, if it were a club of which you were a paying member that would be different.
Do you question poppy sellers as to where that money goes too?
Hi everyone.
There are some less than fortunate people watching and posting on AOS.
I'm one if those unfortunately, however for the price of one crap hifi magazine ( my opinion) which your spewed lots of crap and cant reply to, you can be on a very valuable site and get help and information.
You also get to give input and feel like your part of a community.
This donation thing, free from adverts gets a HUGE thumbs up from me
Steve...
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 16:41
Lets put it into context, for the price of 2 bottles of beer you have 12 month of entertainment, plus technical advice.
Good or what :cool:
We really do need more clarity here - are we talking Stella or Guinness? And what size bottles?
We really do need more clarity here - are we talking Stella or Guinness? And what size bottles?
Like you're bothered - even if it was Carling you'd still drink it. :D
walpurgis
20-11-2018, 16:46
Do you question poppy sellers as to where that money goes too?
Not quite the same, but a reasonable analogy. I was thinking along those lines too.
walpurgis
20-11-2018, 16:47
Like you're bothered - even if it was Carling you'd still drink it. :D
So would I. It would do until a real beer came along :).
Audio Al
20-11-2018, 16:51
Thanks Marco. I guess my point was that whilst I know it is not cheap to run a forum, it is equally not terribly expensive dependent on what software/technical support you chose to use, and as you already have adds and dealer contributions, I struggle to understand what the extra money is required for. Equally, I don't run the forum, and don't know the finer details so am happy to step out of the conversation.
Don't forget Marco has nice holidays and a Merc with new wheels and a carfi to maintain ;):D
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 16:52
Like you're bothered - even if it was Carling you'd still drink it. :D
I resemble that remark!
You were ASKED for an ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY DONATION and decided to interrogate the site owner over where the money would be going and don't think that's rude? If I were Marco I would have been quite offended by this as it was indirectly questioning his integrity.
As for your "right" as a forum member? What "right" is that exactly? You don't even have a right to use the forum never mind ask about its financial running, this forum is a free service kindly provided for people to use, if it were a club of which you were a paying member that would be different.
Do you question poppy sellers as to where that money goes too?
Is there a particular reason you are so defensive and shouting?. Marco hasn't behaved that way and he is the one that runs the site.
Very strange behavior indeed.
P.S. it is only a free site when you don't contribute. Once you contribute it is no longer free, kinda says that on the tin!
Guys, let's keep it friendly, cheers!:)
Marco.
Don't forget Marco has nice holidays and a Merc with new wheels and a carfi to maintain ;):D
Well that doesn't help really does it, Al, but I did see the funny side!
P.S. it is only a free site when you don't contribute. Once you contribute it is no longer free, kinda says that on the tin!
Yes, but there is no membership fee or onus on anyone to donate funds, so it is free by default. It only becomes otherwise if *you* choose so. I still don't think you've quite grasped the difference between a no-obligation donation, and an obligatory charge, or indeed an investment.
Marco.
Audio Al
20-11-2018, 17:19
Well that doesn't help really does it, Al, but I did see the funny side!
I thought it was hilarious being a SUPER DAFTEE :lol:;)
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 17:20
Is there a particular reason you are so defensive and shouting?. Marco hasn't behaved that way and he is the one that runs the site.
Very strange behavior indeed.
P.S. it is only a free site when you don't contribute. Once you contribute it is no longer free, kinda says that on the tin!
Paul, it IS a free site, in that you are free not to donate, and still use it :)
Yes, but there is no membership fee or onus on anyone to donate funds, so it is free by default. It only becomes otherwise if *you* choose so. I still don't think you've quite grasped the difference between a donation, and a fee or investment.
Marco.
This is where we disagree clearly, Marco. The minute someone donates, the site is no longer free to them because they have paid a fee for it, whatever the amount happens to be, and whether it was a donation or a charge.
Don't forget Marco has nice holidays and a Merc with new wheels and a carfi to maintain ;):D
Heh-heh... If I had to rely on making a profit from running this place, to fund my lifestyle, I'd be on beans and toast and riding a push bike!
Marco.
This is where we disagree clearly, Marco. The minute someone donates, the site is no longer free to them because they have paid a fee for it, whatever the amount happens to be, and whether it was a donation or a charge.
No we don't, as the bit in bold is sort-of fact, although you're still struggling with the concept of a donation. However, the key is in the words "to them". It doesn't make AoS as a forum in general not free. Simples!:)
Marco.
Paul, it IS a free site, in that you are free not to donate, and still use it :)
Indeed so.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 17:29
This is where we disagree clearly, Marco. The minute someone donates, the site is no longer free to them because they have paid a fee for it, whatever the amount happens to be, and whether it was a donation or a charge.
If you buy a carpet from a company that includes "free fitting" and the bloke turns up, does a smashing job and leaves it all nice and tidy, then you may decide to give him a small tip. You can't then moan to everyone that it wasn't free fitting after all.
Like you're bothered - even if it was Carling you'd still drink it. :D
Piggurs would still be in if it was meths!:eyebrows:
And if kinky clothes are involved, then you better make sure he gets the rubber catsuit before you:eek:
Marco.
If you buy a carpet from a company that includes "free fitting" and the bloke turns up, does a smashing job and leaves it all nice and tidy, then you may decide to give him a small tip. You can't then moan to everyone that it wasn't free fitting after all.
Lol - that's it in a nutshell!:D
Marco.
Audio Al
20-11-2018, 17:40
Re AOS Contributor , I am on several other forums and they use " Site Supporter " for 1st year support , You then become a Super supporter if you continue into the following year :)
I am a Super Supporter :cool:
Donation definition
something of value such as money or goods that is given to help a person or organization such as a charity, or the act of giving this money, etc.:
Investment
the act of putting money, effort, time, etc. into something to make a profit or get an advantage, or the money, effort, time, etc. used to do this:
Fee
an amount of money paid for a particular piece of work or for a particular right or service:
Hopefully that clears it up
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 17:44
Re AOS Contributor , I am on several other forums and they use " Site Supporter " for 1st year support , You then become a Super supporter if you continue into the following year :)
I am a Super Supporter :cool:
Do you get a cape? I'd be up for that
julesd68
20-11-2018, 17:48
Not quite the same, but a reasonable analogy. I was thinking along those lines too.
Sorry Geoff but it's a terrible analogy.
I don't think AOS is quite going to reach charitable status along the same lines as the Royal British Legion.:scratch:
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 17:51
Piggurs would still be in if it was meths!:eyebrows:
And if kinky clothes were involved, then you better make sure he gets the rubber catsuit before you:eek:
Marco.
I haven't enough meths to power me Mamod this month!
I'm using this months meth budget to make a donation.
As long as it's not to provide us with a 'sample':eyebrows:
Marco.
Sorry Geoff but it's a terrible analogy.
I don't think AOS is quite going to reach charitable status along the same lines as the Royal British Legion.:scratch:
Hi Julian,
I think Geoff was referring to the *concept* of trusting where the money from your donation was going, not anything to do with a charity, as such:)
Marco.
Hi Julian,
I think Geoff was referring to the *concept* of trusting where the money from your donation was going, not anything to do with a charity, as such:)
Marco.
That was certainly what I was suggesting, I was in no way comparing AOS with the British Legion
I was trying to highlight that giving to both are entirely voluntary acts and the by donating the donor is trusting that the money will be used appropriately
Yup, Gary, that's what I gleaned from it, too:)
Marco.
I was in no way comparing AOS with the British Legion
The average age is older on here for one thing...
walpurgis
20-11-2018, 18:19
Think I'll start a donations forum. Forget the Hi-Fi, just gimme yer dosh!! :eek:
Pigmy Pony
20-11-2018, 18:23
The average age is older on here for one thing...
Present company excepted - I'm down with the kids, me ;)
julesd68
20-11-2018, 18:25
Hi Julian,
I think Geoff was referring to the *concept* of trusting where the money from your donation was going, not anything to do with a charity as such:)
Marco.
Hi Marco, yes understood, I'm just saying it's not a great analogy as a charity like the Royal British Legion has to be entirely transparent about the money they raise and where it is spent, so when you donate by buying your poppy, you know exactly where the money is going. You can download their Annual Report to see their accounts in detail. There is of course no obligation on your part to have your accounts made public and scrutinized in the same way, so yes it's a trust based issue as you say ... :)
Yeah, sure, that's exactly it:)
Marco.
when you donate by buying your poppy, you know exactly where the money is going. You can download their Annual Report to see their accounts in detail.)
This is one of the points I was trying to make.
Donation definition
Investment
Fee
Hopefully that clears it up
Not really, no. Aren't we talking about Contribution here?
This is one of the points I was trying to make.
You're not expecting us to produce an annual report, I hope? Do pfm or Wigwam? If so, you'll be (very politely) told to GTF, or pay me (or an accountant) for the time it takes to do it!;)
Marco.
Not really, no. Aren't we talking about Contribution here?
I think it's time to draw a line under this (now circular) argument folks, so let's leave it there. And that applies to everyone, ta!
Marco.
Fair enough, Marco. You may also want to remove my 'AoS Contributor' badge, because I haven't and not sure how I have got one.
Bigman80
20-11-2018, 19:11
Fair enough, Marco. You may also want to remove my 'AoS Contributor' badge, because I haven't and not sure how I have got one.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Outrageous!!!! It makes a mockery of the bagde!!!
Fair enough, Marco. You may also want to remove my 'AoS Contributor' badge, because I haven't and not sure how I have got one.
Lol - it took you long enough to notice!!:lol: Just a wee joke...
We can chip in to get you a badge though, if you can't afford to donate;)
Marco.
Lol - it took you long enough to notice!!:lol: Just a wee joke...
We can chip in to get you a badge though, if you can't afford to donate;)
Marco.
Very amusing, so much so I nearly forgot to laugh :lol:
Well, you've been giving a lot of your pocket money to Tony, for hi-fi goodies, so it might have left you a bit short:eyebrows:
Marco.
Well, you've been giving a lot of your pocket money to Tony, for hi-fi goodies, so it might have left you a bit short:eyebrows:
Marco.
You are right, I have and very happy with that investment I am too. Tony’s by far the best Hifi dealer I have ever come across.
If I had to put a figure on the value I've received from this site over the years it would be in the hundreds if not thousands of pounds for entertainment, cheap equipment, help and technical advice.
Happy to contribute to its upkeep, the (my) world would be a sadder place without it.
Special thanks to the Marco, the mods and the technical gurus (Anthony TD, Alan Firebottle etc.) :cool:
Audio Al
21-11-2018, 19:34
Just noticed the site owner has no banner :(
Come on boss man cough up :D...;)
Pigmy Pony
21-11-2018, 22:23
Just noticed the site owner has no banner :(
Come on boss man cough up :D...;)
He's had it embroidered on his leotard.
Nearly... It's tattooed on my ball sack.
Marco.
Nearly... It's tattooed on my ball sack.
Marco.
Prove it big boy
Have you had your dinner yet?
Marco.
Please keep those plums tucked out of sight.
On the topic of contributions, the gear I've bought and sold, the knowledge and advice and the entertainment I've had here are well worth a few quid.
Great to hear, Ian. I always enjoy reading your contributions, so keep up the good work!:cool:
Marco.
Floyddroid
29-11-2018, 11:24
Mmm, been giving this some thought. The one thing that i have always liked about AOS is the sense of community. When the word cotribution has been mentioned in the past it has been and is a safe assumption that it is the contribution of people here of their enthusiasm, wit, knowledge and passion. As someone who runs a website though admittedly not a forum i fund it from my own coffers giving me control of content and artistic content. I know of the commercial advantages of advertising etc but i would see that anyone contributing to the running cost would then be part of a co-op and have a say in the appearance of the site etc. I do realize that the request for contributions are just that though when ever money comes into the equation conflict and/or sensitivity raise their heads. I would dislike very much to see what happened to another Hi-Fi site happen here where corporate interest in a quest for site funding takes president over over the spirit of the forum. If the site needs an annual fee why not publish the outgoings on open forum and spread the cost equally across the forum membership? This would take the vagary out of who is contributing what and how much they are valued more than others. There would then be no need for badges as we would all be equal again.
jandl100
29-11-2018, 11:45
I think you have somehow managed to entirely miss the spirit of the thing, Steve!
jandl100
29-11-2018, 11:49
P.S. - I can understand that the badge thing might be a bit divisive - I'd be happy if there were no badges, just a PM acknowledgement of any contribution.
hifi_dave
29-11-2018, 13:28
I'm quite happy to stump up a little extra to help the best forum on the net. The pleasure AOS has given me over the years is incalculable.
Some of us might actually like the chance to say thanks by making a small contribution. For me, it’s just a small gesture of appreciation that I’m very happy to be able to make. Nobody who doesn’t want to contribite is obliged to do so. I like the badges too.
montesquieu
29-11-2018, 16:20
P.S. - I can understand that the badge thing might be a bit divisive - I'd be happy if there were no badges, just a PM acknowledgement of any contribution.
Likewise.
More PM space would be handy though
montesquieu
29-11-2018, 16:22
Think I'll start a donations forum. Forget the Hi-Fi, just gimme yer dosh!! :eek:
Just invent a sob story and put it up on twitter.
walpurgis
29-11-2018, 16:32
Just invent a sob story and put it up on twitter.
'Older gentleman seeks funding for a carer, preferably one with generous knockers and a nicely shaped back end'
I do realize that the request for contributions are just that though when ever money comes into the equation conflict and/or sensitivity raise their heads. I would dislike very much to see what happened to another Hi-Fi site happen here where corporate interest in a quest for site funding takes president over over the spirit of the forum. If the site needs an annual fee why not publish the outgoings on open forum and spread the cost equally across the forum membership? This would take the vagary out of who is contributing what and how much they are valued more than others. There would then be no need for badges as we would all be equal again.
Steve - fact is the site costs a significant amount to run and although we could move it onto the various crappy free hosting sites we don't want to. Why would we want to downgrade for the sake of a few people chipping in a few quid each year? Trade revenue is less than it was and due to changes in the law so is advertising revenue. So the site cannot support itself unless the trade fee is jacked up or we have a shitload more advertising and sponsoring.
I think pretty much everyone here would rather chuck a couple of quid in the kitty once a year than take that option.
if someone does not want to contribute or cannot afford to contribute then they do not have to and they still get to use the site and all of the benefits. I have no problem with people not contributing, that's up to them. I'm not interested in why they don't want to. That's their business. I don't care. If not enough people contributed then I guess Marco and I and maybe the other mods would just pay the lot out our own pockets and keep the site going regardless.
But the fact is that the support for the contribution system has been overwhelming which I'm really pleased to see as it's a great indicator of how much people value the site and the community that we have here.
mad-moon
29-11-2018, 16:37
Steve - fact is the site costs a significant amount to run and although we could move it onto the various crappy free hosting sites we don't want to. Why would we want to downgrade for the sake of a few people chipping in a few quid each year? Trade revenue is less than it was and due to changes in the law so is advertising revenue. So the site cannot support itself unless the trade fee is jacked up or we have a shitload more advertising and sponsoring.
I think pretty much everyone here would rather chuck a couple of quid in the kitty once a year than take that option.
if someone does not want to contribute or cannot afford to contribute then they do not have to and they still get to use the site and all of the benefits. I have no problem with people not contributing, that's up to them. I'm not interested in why they don't want to. That's their business. I don't care. If not enough people contributed then I guess Marco and I and maybe the other mods would just pay the lot out our own pockets and keep the site going regardless.
But the fact is that the support for the contribution system has been overwhelming which I'm really pleased to see as it's a great indicator of how much people value the site and the community that we have here.
Hear hear...or here here...take your pick......:thumbsup:
Mmm, been giving this some thought. The one thing that i have always liked about AOS is the sense of community. When the word cotribution has been mentioned in the past it has been and is a safe assumption that it is the contribution of people here of their enthusiasm, wit, knowledge and passion. As someone who runs a website though admittedly not a forum i fund it from my own coffers giving me control of content and artistic content. I know of the commercial advantages of advertising etc but i would see that anyone contributing to the running cost would then be part of a co-op and have a say in the appearance of the site etc. I do realize that the request for contributions are just that though when ever money comes into the equation conflict and/or sensitivity raise their heads. I would dislike very much to see what happened to another Hi-Fi site happen here where corporate interest in a quest for site funding takes president over over the spirit of the forum. If the site needs an annual fee why not publish the outgoings on open forum and spread the cost equally across the forum membership? This would take the vagary out of who is contributing what and how much they are valued more than others. There would then be no need for badges as we would all be equal again.
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your reply, mate. From your lack of response so far, I was beginning to think we'd fallen out...;)
In some ways I can see where you're coming from, and of course value your opinion. You're right about the contribution factor, in terms of the most important part of that representing the information, experience and knowledge contributed by the membership, which I'm sure will continue whether folks choose to make a small monetary donation to our running costs or not.
As Macca says, the forum has (ever-increasing, as it grows) costs to fund, which as I explained were being covered up until recent changes, which resulted in a drastic reduction in revenue, and in turn required us to take the action we did, mainly in terms of increasing the ad content from Google, but also by introducing the donation system, which let's not forget quite a few folks here had actually asked for, without being prompted, simply because, as has been seen by many of the responses here, *members themselves* wanted to contribute something.
The important thing to remember here is that, and I assure you of this most categorically, whether anyone contributes funds or not, it will not make one jot of difference in our eyes to how they are treated, or their 'status' or whatever, nor will it result in those who've donated being shown any preferential treatment. We are very focussed on that, and simply will not allow the existence of any such division.
As I've said, donations are entirely voluntary, and indeed as Macca has said, no-one has to justify or explain why they haven't made a donation. People will have their own reasons, and that's something we fully respect. Therefore, donate or not - it's entirely up to YOU! And in that respect, in terms your 'status' here, nothing will have changed:)
By the same token, we also ask members to show the same respect (and trust) in us to invest the funds donated wisely, in the best interests of the forum, and in terms of what will ensure its continued success and longevity. As for the running costs being spread among the membership, that's not something I'd be happy with, as some folks might feel more obliged or pressurised then to contribute, perhaps through concern for the forum's future otherwise.
Like Macca said, that's not something anyone here should be concerned with. Should it ever become necessary (which I sincerely doubt), that the forum can't support itself financially, then the running costs will be covered in full by myself and/or if any of the mods decided to help out. However, as they already freely give so much of their time to assist in the running of the forum, they would be under absolutely no obligation to do so.
As for badges, let me reiterate and make it crystal clear: the 'AoS Supporter' badges are currently automatically awarded to all who have donated, *BUT* they aren't mandatory, and so if anyone wishes to donate, but remain anonymous, or at some point no longer wants their badge, then simply advise me via PM, and your wish will be granted!
Anyway, regardless of donations, let's all continue to ensure that AoS retains the relaxed, friendly and informative vibe it's renowned for, which of course as has been said already, is founded upon your posting contributions, and the time and effort you guys put in to make this place what it is, and also what we'll ensure that it continues to be in future:cool:
Marco.
Likewise.
More PM space would be handy though
Consider it done! I've now increased your PM allowance to 500, and also the amount of characters allowed in your signature:)
If anyone else, with over 1000 posts, whether they've donated or not, would like an increased PM allowance, just ask!:cool:
Marco.
But the fact is that the support for the contribution system has been overwhelming which I'm really pleased to see as it's a great indicator of how much people value the site and the community that we have here.
Yup, too true! As I've said, I've been really humbled and overwhelmed by the response from our members, although it should always be remembered that the best way to get the most out of AoS is to be a regular poster, and integral part of our community :)
Marco.
RobbieGong
29-11-2018, 18:51
Consider it done! I've now increased your PM allowance to 500, and also the amount of characters allowed in your signature:)
If anyone else, with over 1000 posts, whether they've donated or not, would like an increased PM allowance, just ask!:cool:
Marco.
Go on then Marco mi ole bean :) be rude not to, 'specially as I iz a contwiboowta :D
Lol - sorted, dude!:cool:
Marco.
Yes please, I would like an increased PM allowance.
montesquieu
29-11-2018, 19:11
Consider it done! I've now increased your PM allowance to 500, and also the amount of characters allowed in your signature:)
If anyone else, with over 1000 posts, whether they've donated or not, would like an increased PM allowance, just ask!:cool:
Marco.
Awesome! :D
#metoo please in respect of PMs :cool:
In terms of badging I did think of asking for no badge. May still do so at some point.
Just delete a couple of pages of messages; dont forget the sent ones:eyebrows:
ps, not directed at anyone in particular.
Steve - fact is the site costs a significant amount to run and although we could move it onto the various crappy free hosting sites we don't want to. Why would we want to downgrade for the sake of a few people chipping in a few quid each year? Trade revenue is less than it was and due to changes in the law so is advertising revenue. So the site cannot support itself unless the trade fee is jacked up or we have a shitload more advertising and sponsoring.
I think pretty much everyone here would rather chuck a couple of quid in the kitty once a year than take that option.
if someone does not want to contribute or cannot afford to contribute then they do not have to and they still get to use the site and all of the benefits. I have no problem with people not contributing, that's up to them. I'm not interested in why they don't want to. That's their business. I don't care. If not enough people contributed then I guess Marco and I and maybe the other mods would just pay the lot out our own pockets and keep the site going regardless.
But the fact is that the support for the contribution system has been overwhelming which I'm really pleased to see as it's a great indicator of how much people value the site and the community that we have here.
So if the response is overwhelming then you must have enough cash to keep it going for a few years?
Just delete a couple of pages of messages; dont forget the sent ones:eyebrows:
ps, not directed at anyone in particular.
I tend to download all my PMs (incoming and sent) as text and then delete.
Oh! Just see my allowance has been upped! Fast work by someone! Ta
Wakefield Turntables
29-11-2018, 19:23
Can I have a few extra PM's please.
Wakefield Turntables
29-11-2018, 19:26
There we are have a few quid from me!
I just got to last page and delete the page, usually do 2 , then same on my sent ones. That way I keep the recents. I dont save any. life's to short, well for me anyway:lol:
So if the response is overwhelming then you must have enough cash to keep it going for a few years?
Decades. Centuries in fact. Not only that but members will be pleased to hear that construction of the volcano lair is underway and the big rocket that swallows smaller rockets will now move on from the blueprint stage.
Decades. Centuries in fact. Not only that but members will be pleased to hear that construction of the volcano lair is underway and the big rocket that swallows smaller rockets will now move on from the blueprint stage.
:lol:
apologies if I missed it but did we ever discuss what the significant amount it costs to run actually is? never run a website so no idea how much we are actually talking about?
So if the response is overwhelming then you must have enough cash to keep it going for a few years?
Hi Jim,
We always aim to secure sufficient working capital (to borrow a term from the business world) to cover the running costs for the existing year, plus one year in advance. In terms of the latter, we're not quite there yet, but that's not important, as I'm confident that will be covered in due course by income from Google adverts.
We also budget to cover any eventualities, such as unexpected costs that may arise from repairing the database, in the event of faults and any downtime that occurs from such (which has happened three times already this year, the costs of which fell outside of forecasted expenditure), plus also for any software upgrades from VBulletin.
You can't only think about the 'here and now'... The goal is always to future-proof the forum, as far as possible!:)
Marco.
We're getting a good deal on the volcano though.
does it come with big slidey doors?
apologies if I missed it but did we ever discuss what the significant amount it costs to run actually is?
Hi Mark,
Nope, and that's the way it will remain, as it's no-one else's concern but mine. If anyone thinks that in order to contribute, they're entitled to that information, then I would politely ask them to keep their cash. Any donations should be made purely on the basis of goodwill and the desire to support the forum, nothing else. No extra entitlement should be sought, or indeed will be given.
However, I will state that out with of recent donations, the running costs are significantly more than revenue currently generated, due to the recent loss of income from Skimlinks and also trade member contributions. However, we're hopeful that in due course that situation will be rectified.
Marco.
Can I have a few extra PM's please.
Done:)
Marco.
Decades. Centuries in fact. Not only that but members will be pleased to hear that construction of the volcano lair is underway and the big rocket that swallows smaller rockets will now move on from the blueprint stage.
Good to know. Can we ensure that all equipment operations (crater doors, radar dish etc.) can only be carried out via oversized push buttons with corresponding coloured indication lamps mounted in heavy duty metal console panels within the control room? No PC mouse clicks please. Also each button press MUST be accompanied by an electronic chirping or whirring noise as suits the function. Thank you.
Done:)
Marco.
Thank you :).
Good to know. Can we ensure that all equipment operations (crater doors, radar dish etc.) can only be carried out via oversized push buttons with corresponding coloured indication lamps mounted in heavy duty metal console panels within the control room? No PC mouse clicks please. Also each button press MUST be accompanied by an electronic chirping or whirring noise as suits the function. Thank you.
Of course. You'll think you are right back in 1973. Ingram 'Model 10' submachineguns, brightly coloured hard hats and overalls will be issued at the next AoS meet.
(Note: You will be invoiced separately for your uniform and machine gun).
Of course. You'll think you are right back in 1973. Ingram 'Model 10' submachineguns, brightly coloured hard hats and overalls will be issued at the next AoS meet.
(Note: You will be invoiced separately for your uniform and machine gun).
Excellent, carry on.
Oh, is there a monorail?
Excellent, carry on.
Oh, is there a monorail?
Is there are monorail? You have to ask?
And yes it will be all in stainless steel.
Pigmy Pony
29-11-2018, 21:59
Decades. Centuries in fact. Not only that but members will be pleased to hear that construction of the volcano lair is underway and the big rocket that swallows smaller rockets will now move on from the blueprint stage.
Still no Hobnobs in the canteen though. :(
We've put some lovely scented, balsam-infused tissues in the bogs though, for mopping up all your 'little accidents', so you can't complain!;)
Marco.
RobbieGong
29-11-2018, 22:24
Lol - sorted, dude!:cool:
Marco.
Nice one Marco :thumbsup:
Pigmy Pony
29-11-2018, 22:25
Yes I noticed, and I really appreciate it. Makes me feel like I'm walking on air! The spare underpants dispenser is a nice touch as well.
Yes, but I noticed you left all the white Y-fronts, obviously due to concern for them showing off skidmarks. Never be ashamed of yer skidders, especially the nice 'chocolatey' ones!:nono:
Marco.
Nice one Marco :thumbsup:
Yer welcome, bro:smoking:
Marco.
Many thanks, chaps and chapettes, for your recent contributions:)
Marco.
Again, many thanks folks for your generosity, and a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year to you all :christmas:
Have a nice one, dudes!:cool:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
16-12-2018, 13:48
No worries mate, worth every penny, and then some. :)
Cheers, Steve. It's heartening that folks really value and appreciate the friendly community we've got on AoS, which exists through their input and contributions, and which the mods and I intend always to maintain and grow:)
Have a nice one, mate:cool:
Marco.
Just to remind folks that if you wish to make a donation and remain anonymous, and also not be given an 'AoS Supporter' badge, that's fine. Just let me know:)
Marco.
Oh, and not forgetting also that all supporting members with over 1000 posts will, on request, receive an extended PM message allowance of 500 PMs. So folks, if you quality and would like that upgrade, just ask!:cool:
Marco.
Bigman80
24-12-2018, 23:57
Oh, and not forgetting also that all supporting members with over 1000 posts will, on request, receive an extended PM message allowance of 500 PMs. So folks, if you quality and would like that upgrade, just ask!:cool:
Marco.Hit me up!! I definitely need it at the minute lol
Done! Don't say that Santa isn't good to you!:D
Marco.
Lawrence001
25-12-2018, 00:17
Go on then please me too. And a very Happy Christmas to all AoS'ers.
Sent from my BLN-L21 using Tapatalk
Welcome to the 500 Club, Lawrence!:cool:
Marco.
Bigman80
25-12-2018, 01:03
Done! Don't say that Santa isn't good to you!:D
Marco.Ha, thanks [emoji318]!!
Lawrence001
26-12-2018, 19:40
Welcome to the 500 Club, Lawrence!:cool:
Marco.Cheers Marco been to the 100 Club a few times in my youth (100 Oxford St, anyone remember it?) but the 500 Club is new to me :)
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Lol - you're just a clubbin' boy at heart:eyebrows:
Marco.
Just a 'heads up', folks, in case any of you who'd like to contribute missed the chance before Xmas, when others were so generous. Follow link on the first page.
All donations to site running costs are welcome, no matter how small. Cheers, guys (and gals)!:cool:
Marco.
Hi folks,
If you were unaware of us recently being hacked, via an 'SQL Injection', then please see where this matter has been discussed: https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?66631-Hacked&p=1138354#post1138354
The company we've used to install the Firewall are experts in their field, so we're confident that its installation will be effective in preventing such a situation from reoccurring.
Basically, it puts a layer of protection between our site and any hackers, and looks out for hackers trying to break into the site and stops them. In particular it stops hackers trying to exploit known vulnerabilities in websites, which in turn could compromise your stored personal data, if your passwords here are not strong enough, as that's often their way in!
Therefore, I'd like to take this opportunity to ask you all to strengthen your passwords and/or change them completely, in order to make it harder for hackers to infiltrate the site and compromise yours (and our) data.
As mentioned, we've had to pay (a significant sum), which is over and above our projected annual running costs, in order to employ the services of the company in question, therefore if any of you are able to make a donation to those costs, however small, and help protect both you and the site in future, it will be very gratefully received.
To do so, please click the 'Contribute' tab, at the top of the homepage, and follow the subsequent instructions. Many thanks!:cool:
Marco.
Just like to say many thanks to all who have contributed so far. It's very much appreciated, and once again shows what the AoS community is all about! Thanks again, folks:thumbsup:
Marco.
Again, would just like to say a big thanks to all who've contributed recently, and to help AoS to continue to develop and grow - and I wish you all (and everyone) a very Merry Christmas!:christmas::santa:
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Marco.
Just to say thanks again to all recent contributors. Every little bit helps to keep your favourite forum going, and your kindness is very much appreciated!:thumbsup:::cool:
Marco.
And again. Happy New Year, folks!:thumbsup:
Marco.
Thanks again to all recent contributors. Your kind support is much appreciated in helping to keep our community alive!:cool:
Marco.
Once again folks, thanks for your contributions, which have been much appreciated, in order to help offset the ever-growing costs of running the site.
Later this month, the annual site hosting fee (maintenance of the server, etc) is due for renewal, at the cost of £440, so anything you can afford to chip in would be very gratefully received! Many thanks:cool:
Marco.
Thanks again to those who've recently contributed to maintaining our community. Your kindness and support is very much appreciated!:thumbsup::cool:
Just to refresh...
Hi Guys,
Please see message on Noticeboard: https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?61282-You-can-now-Contribute-to-Support-The-Art-of-Sound&p=1032554#post1032554
This is further to the thread started here about Pop-Up ads and voluntary donations: https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?60873-Adverts-embedded-in-posts&p=1031197#post1031197
Should you wish to support AoS and contribute towards the running costs of the site, you can now do so by clicking on the 'Contribute' tab, just to the right of the New Posts button at the top of the homepage, and be ad-free, without needing to use an ad-blocker!
Many thanks to all who have contributed so far, and all feedback is welcome:cool:
Marco.
Thanks again guys for all recent contributions - it's very much appreciated!:cool:
Marco.
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