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Lawrence001
05-11-2018, 23:17
Went to listen to some IMF TLS80s I'm supposed to be buying today, but they had 1, possibly 2, scratchy sounding mid ranges. He's happy to wait while I try and find replacements. I know about the Falcon re-release version but the cost would probably make the total too high. So I'm wondering if anyone has one or two going spare?
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walpurgis
05-11-2018, 23:25
The TLS 80 are certainly worth spending a few quid on, they are superb speakers.
VanDerGraaf
05-11-2018, 23:26
I'll have a look in the cupboard tomorrow and see if I have any left. I definitely have SP1057 (big magnet/higher power rated) version, but I don't think they are quite right for that job.
Crackles
06-11-2018, 08:04
I'll have a look in the cupboard tomorrow and see if I have any left. I definitely have SP1057 (big magnet/higher power rated) version, but I don't think they are quite right for that job.You might want to have a look for Ollie's Spotfires while you're there!
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Bigman80
06-11-2018, 08:10
You might want to have a look for Ollie's Spotfires while you're there!
Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk[emoji1787][emoji1787] it's all sorted now mate. Rohan has been in touch and they will be on the move shortly. Understandable delay, discussed privately.
Crackles
06-11-2018, 08:12
[emoji1787][emoji1787] it's all sorted now mate. Rohan has been in touch and they will be on the move shortly. Understandable delay, discussed privately.Ok, good to hear it mate. I was feeling your frustration [emoji3]
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Bigman80
06-11-2018, 08:13
Ok, good to hear it mate. I was feeling your frustration [emoji3]
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Went to listen to some IMF TLS80s I'm supposed to be buying today, but they had 1, possibly 2, scratchy sounding mid ranges. He's happy to wait while I try and find replacements. I know about the Falcon re-release version but the cost would probably make the total too high. So I'm wondering if anyone has one or two going spare?
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Maybe, via gravity, the drivers are scratchy as they have gone off centre? Running the speakers upside down for an extended period may cure it. Or turning the drivers around by 180 degrees? Just a thought.
Lawrence001
06-11-2018, 09:27
I'll have a look in the cupboard tomorrow and see if I have any left. I definitely have SP1057 (big magnet/higher power rated) version, but I don't think they are quite right for that job.Thanks it would be great if you do!
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Lawrence001
06-11-2018, 09:28
Maybe, via gravity, the drivers are scratchy as they have gone off centre? Running the speakers upside down for an extended period may cure it. Or turning the drivers around by 180 degrees? Just a thought.That usually works with the larger drivers (esp 15") but I guess there's no harm in trying [emoji3]
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VanDerGraaf
06-11-2018, 12:34
You might want to have a look for Ollie's Spotfires while you're there!
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All sorted out now. Sometimes things don't go according to plan in life.
VanDerGraaf
06-11-2018, 12:35
Right, I think I do have a couple, but it isn't quite straightforward- I'll pm you Lawrence!
EDIT: Sadly I realised that I no longer have any B110 apart from the SP1057s. Sorry I couldn't help.
Crackles
06-11-2018, 13:26
All sorted out now. Sometimes things don't go according to plan in life.Only joking pal, hope you liked the Spotfires.
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VanDerGraaf
06-11-2018, 14:00
I know mate, Should really have put a :) in there, I got you!
They were pretty good! Hmm perhaps we need to not clutter up Lawrence's thread :p
Lawrence001
06-11-2018, 17:42
I know mate, Should really have put a :) in there, I got you!
They were pretty good! Hmm perhaps we need to not clutter up Lawrence's thread :pNot a problem, unlike some I don't mind a bit of banter on my classified threads.
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Lawrence001
06-11-2018, 17:42
Right, I think I do have a couple, but it isn't quite straightforward- I'll pm you Lawrence!
EDIT: Sadly I realised that I no longer have any B110 apart from the SP1057s. Sorry I couldn't help.Doh shame.
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Lawrence001
06-11-2018, 23:35
The TLS 80 are certainly worth spending a few quid on, they are superb speakers.They certainly sounded the business Geoff, even with dodgy mid ranges.
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walpurgis
06-11-2018, 23:44
Not sure what the difference is between the TLS 80 and the TLS 80 Mk.2, but I doubt there's much. IMF spent years refining their TLS designs before the TLS80 came along. I thought they sounded bloody marvellous. The reviewers at the time said similar.
I have a pair of B110 sp1003 somewhere. I'll check tonight.
Lawrence001
07-11-2018, 08:03
Not sure what the difference is between the TLS 80 and the TLS 80 Mk.2, but I doubt there's much. IMF spent years refining their TLS designs before the TLS80 came along. I thought they sounded bloody marvellous. The reviewers at the time said similar.Yes I'm kicking myself for not just getting a cab back there and then (£80!) but I said I'd look into the replacement units first.
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Lawrence001
07-11-2018, 08:04
I have a pair of B110 sp1003 somewhere. I'll check tonight.Lovely thanks please let me know.
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walpurgis
07-11-2018, 08:37
Yes I'm kicking myself for not just getting a cab back there and then (£80!) but I said I'd look into the replacement units first.
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Could be a bit frustrating if you end up with a pair of B110's but no speakers. I'd go and get them.
Lawrence001
07-11-2018, 13:23
Could be a bit frustrating if you end up with a pair of B110's but no speakers. I'd go and get them.I think you're right. From my audition I suspect that with new mid ranges and caps they will be my end game speakers. Have pencilled in collection on Friday [emoji3]
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walpurgis
07-11-2018, 14:17
The TLS 80 has a lot going for it. The mid and top are lovely, but there again, the HF2000 is probably my favourite supertweeter. Despite the odd dispersment of drivers, they actually image rather well and of course there's the bass, it's superb!
Yep, they are in a KEF cs1 kit at the moment as shown below. Let me know if you are interested, and I'll remove them. I was hoping for £125 inc P&P
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spendorman
07-11-2018, 18:13
Yep, they are in a KEF cs1 kit at the moment as shown below. Let me know if you are interested, and I'll remove them. I was hoping for £125 inc P&P
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CS1A surely, the CS1 did not use the SP1003. I made CS1a's, they were very good.
Yeah I was being lazy. Compared them with LS3/5a's. Not as good obviously, but pretty good considering.
spendorman
07-11-2018, 20:09
Yeah I was being lazy. Compared them with LS3/5a's. Not as good obviously, but pretty good considering.
CS1a's that I made were pretty close to my Chartwell LS3/5a's.
Lawrence001
07-11-2018, 21:43
The TLS 80 has a lot going for it. The mid and top are lovely, but there again, the HF2000 is probably my favourite supertweeter. Despite the odd dispersment of drivers, they actually image rather well and of course there's the bass, it's superb!Incidentally the grille has fallen off one of the HF2000s, and a bit of a plastic looking ring underneath is peeling. I'm thinking a bit of water based glue is the best option to fix them back on?
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walpurgis
07-11-2018, 22:04
Incidentally the grille has fallen off one of the HF2000s, and a bit of a plastic looking ring underneath is peeling. I'm thinking a bit of water based glue is the best option to fix them back on?
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The "plastic looking ring" is actually double sided sticky tape. Either cut a similar one from wide double sided tape or use a modest amount of contact adhesive. Water based glue is not exactly ideal for bonding metal.
Lawrence001
08-11-2018, 08:07
Actually I was slightly wrong, there's a ring that's completely off which looks like the sticky tape, then there's another ring underneath which is peeling on one side and it looks like the diaphragm is underneath that. I'll look closer when I get them home. Anyway it sounded fine.
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walpurgis
08-11-2018, 08:53
The ring underneath is a type of card and can be glued back. Again, contact adhesive would be best.
Lawrence001
08-11-2018, 17:19
Thanks Geoff good job we've got you here [emoji3]
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walpurgis
08-11-2018, 17:31
Thanks Geoff good job we've got you here [emoji3]
We aim to please! :D
Lawrence001
08-11-2018, 22:32
The ring underneath is a type of card and can be glued back. Again, contact adhesive would be best.Is there a brand of contact adhesive I could look for?
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walpurgis
08-11-2018, 22:50
Is there a brand of contact adhesive I could look for?
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Regular Evo Stik will probably be fine. Just don't apply too much.
Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 10:49
Heading back with the IMFs. I might try Edward's tip of turning then 180degs does anyone think there's a small chance it works with small drivers?
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spendorman
09-11-2018, 10:53
Heading back with the IMFs. I might try Edward's tip of turning then 180degs does anyone think there's a small chance it works with small drivers?
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It's possible, but you may end up replacing the B110's.
walpurgis
09-11-2018, 11:01
Heading back with the IMFs. I might try Edward's tip of turning then 180degs does anyone think there's a small chance it works with small drivers?
It may.
Have you seen this. https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?51367-The-walpurgis-fix-for-buzzing-and-rubbing-speakers!
I wrote it some time ago. It may work. Bit fiddlier on small drivers, but doable.
Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 11:14
Brilliant thanks I just saw that 5 mins ago randomly googling in the cab. Certainly worth a shot. He's given me an old broken turntable to make up for it, I'll have a look at it when I get home.
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Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 12:41
Holy sh1t they're good. The treble tilt adjustment works nicely for my dodgy right ear too, voices are more central again [emoji3]
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walpurgis
09-11-2018, 13:43
Holy sh1t they're good.
Told you. :)
They were one of the finest speakers about at the time and are still way better than anything most will have heard.
Are the drivers still evidently rubbing Lawrence?
Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 15:16
I read a post online saying try pushing them gently in and out a few times it might clear the"blockage". I couldn't rotate 180degs as the wires were too short but managed 90. Not audibly rubbing right now but then it's only certain frequencies. The slight distortion on the left appears to be the HF1300. Thanks for the tip [emoji3]
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Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 17:05
Looks like I'm gonna need some help getting this TT working...
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VanDerGraaf
09-11-2018, 17:45
Holy sh1t they're good. [emoji3]
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How good? Better/more enjoyable than your old Ushers??
Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 18:07
Not as refined or sophisticated but more fun. And most importantly, sound better near the wall and at low volume.
Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 19:37
Here's the non functional TT I picked up at the same time.. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181109/02a79f5417455e3910e08ea1318a161e.jpg
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spendorman
09-11-2018, 20:11
Looks like a TD124
walpurgis
09-11-2018, 20:15
With original Thorens arm. Well worth sorting out.
spendorman
09-11-2018, 20:22
It might be a Mk 1, bit difficult to see from the pic.
Mine is a Mk 2, has been in the family from new. Came fitted with Ortofon RS212 arm and SL15E cartridge.
Lawrence001
09-11-2018, 21:18
Better pic! The speed selector won't budge but the light comes on. Will start a new thread on this.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181109/ff09ce5f2d1cf3b3b83ee1e4198cf52a.jpg
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Went to listen to some IMF TLS80s I'm supposed to be buying today, but they had 1, possibly 2, scratchy sounding mid ranges. He's happy to wait while I try and find replacements. I know about the Falcon re-release version but the cost would probably make the total too high. So I'm wondering if anyone has one or two going spare?
Sent from my BLN-L21 using TapatalkHi mate. Some other variants may fill in as well but you'll have to check. Some people do this to get away from bextrene sound, some love it. Good speaker, lacking only a bit in today's standards in HF. So adding a supertweeter.. Raal or cheaper really opens it up. I have kef 107 with b110 and Raal and not even Wilson's can touch it. Good luck. Falcons are as good but may change overall balance putting it forward. If you like that go for it. I'd wait to get originals though.
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spendorman
10-11-2018, 06:25
Better pic! The speed selector won't budge but the light comes on. Will start a new thread on this.
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It's a Mk2, looks in nice condition, well worth sorting, worth a lota money!
Lawrence001
10-11-2018, 07:26
Hi mate. Some other variants may fill in as well but you'll have to check. Some people do this to get away from bextrene sound, some love it. Good speaker, lacking only a bit in today's standards in HF. So adding a supertweeter.. Raal or cheaper really opens it up. I have kef 107 with b110 and Raal and not even Wilson's can touch it. Good luck. Falcons are as good but may change overall balance putting it forward. If you like that go for it. I'd wait to get originals though.
Sent from my EVA-L09 using TapatalkI thought the B110 from Falcon was supposed to be matched to the original spec, any difference from the original version being due to the latter aging. I'm tempted to try these Monacor replacements,heresy I know..
There's nothing wrong with the frequency range, they have a Celestion HF1200 and HF2000s each side. Not quite as refined as my recent Ushers but then the caps are old.
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Lawrence001
10-11-2018, 08:55
It's a Mk2, looks in nice condition, well worth sorting, worth a lota money!Yes if I can get my head round how it all works!
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spendorman
10-11-2018, 09:16
Yes if I can get my head round how it all works!
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They're pretty robust, may be something to do with the long spring steel band thingy that's connected to that control. It's a long time since I did anything to my TD124. About 1978 I fitted the Papst motor conversion.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4058/4409256636_4e9787bb3d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/7HCAo9)thorens 124 p1 (https://flic.kr/p/7HCAo9) by A60man (https://www.flickr.com/photos/41679262@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2680/4409256868_8f421fcaf9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/7HCAs9)thorens 124 p2 (https://flic.kr/p/7HCAs9) by A60man (https://www.flickr.com/photos/41679262@N02/), on Flickr
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