The Logitech Touch Experience

[Tripmaster]

Hi folks

I thought it might be a good idea to create a new thread after the negativity surrounding the pre-release.

Here is a link to the Logitech Touch Forum
http://forums.slimdevices.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34

So in an effort to put a positive spin on this product, it might be nice if we could share our experiences here :)

[Tripmaster]

I'm beside myself ;)

[Ali Tait]

Tell you tonight once I've tried these 24/96 recordings!

[Tripmaster]

Tell you tonight once I've tried these 24/96 recordings!

What did you end up downloading?

[Ali Tait]

Songs of Nick Drake by various artists,and "Ink" by Livingston Taylor.

[Tripmaster]

Songs of Nick Drake by various artists,and "Ink" by Livingston Taylor.

Hi Ali

Just out of interest, did your 24/96 tracks stutttter on start-up?

[Covenant]

Hi folks

I thought it might be a good idea to create a new thread after the negativity surrounding the pre-release.

Here is a link to the Logitech Touch Forum
http://forums.slimdevices.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34

So in an effort to put a positive spin on this product, it might be nice if we could share our experiences here :)

I shall report once my Touch arrives. Its currently enjoying an extended tour around the country courtesy of UPS......

[Ali Tait]

Hi Ali

Just out of interest, did your 24/96 tracks stutttter on start-up?

Yes they do,for a couple of seconds,and the Touch says it is buffering.It's fine if I just let the album play,but pauses if I skip tracks.

I have to say how good I find these hi-rez files though.My first impression was how vinyl-like they sound,very like I remember Marco's Techie sounding at Owston when I heard it the first time (though I remember thinking at the time how cd-like the techie sounded!) The glare that is present in a lot of cd recordings is totally absent,and the very revealing statics readily show how much better these are than red book standard.There is a sense of ease about the sound like you get from a good vinyl deck,and resolution is amazing.The only downside is the size of the files,about 1.4 Gb per album,and that's a FLAC compressed file!

[Marco]

Hi Ali,


My first impression was how vinyl-like they sound,very like I remember Marco's Techie sounding at Owston when I heard it the first time (though I remember thinking at the time how cd-like the techie sounded!)


Lol - that can actually be a good thing, you know! ;)

Many turntables (mostly of the low-mass belt-drive variety) sound tubby and coloured as hell... The Techie avoids the cloggy euphony many (wrongly in my view) deem as the recognised 'signature of analogue', by presenting a more accurate portrayal of the information that is actually on records.

Although how my Techie sounds these days is markedly different (way better) compared to when you first heard it at Owston.

Anyway, chaps, my apologies for the rather rude interruption - as you were! :eyebrows:

Marco.

[Stratmangler]

Just out of interest, did your 24/96 tracks stutttter on start-up?

The development team at Logitech will be burning lots of midnight oil working out how to get TinySC to handle 24/96 files without stuttering.

This does indicate that SOX resampling is not going to be possible on TinySC - I have a couple of 24/192 albums in my library, and SBS handles the downsampling to 24/48 for my SB3 just fine.
Not that there are many 24/192 albums out there.

[Ali Tait]

Hi Ali,



Lol - that can actually be a good thing, you know! ;)

Many turntables (mostly of the low-mass belt-drive variety) sound tubby and coloured as hell... The Techie avoids the cloggy euphony many (wrongly in my view) deem as the recognised 'signature of analogue', by presenting a more accurate portrayal of the information that is actually on records.

Although how my Techie sounds these days is markedly different (way better) compared to when you first heard it at Owston.

Anyway, chaps, my apologies for the rather rude interruption - as you were! :eyebrows:

Marco.

Didn't mean that in a bad way Marco,I thought your deck was very good,just sounded a little more digital-like in a clean way compared to say Will's slate 401-perhaps more clinical may be a better way to describe it.I wouldn't call Will's deck coloured though! I'm crap at explaining what I hear,but I would call Will's deck more analogue sounding than yours,yet I wouldn't call either coloured-it's difficult to describe,though I'd say Will's deck draws me in,in a way the Techie didn't at the time,on first hearing,though that's down to the rest of his system too. What I meant is that though these hi-rez are clean sounding in the way your deck is,kind of like good cd is,they sound more analogue than digital,at least to my ears on my system.With hi rez files,I don't think anything can come near a streamer like the Touch for the money,certainly no cd player.

[alfie2902]

Yes they do,for a couple of seconds,and the Touch says it is buffering.It's fine if I just let the album play,but pauses if I skip tracks.

I have to say how good I find these hi-rez files though.My first impression was how vinyl-like they sound,very like I remember Marco's Techie sounding at Owston when I heard it the first time (though I remember thinking at the time how cd-like the techie sounded!) The glare that is present in a lot of cd recordings is totally absent,and the very revealing statics readily show how much better these are than red book standard.There is a sense of ease about the sound like you get from a good vinyl deck,and resolution is amazing.The only downside is the size of the files,about 1.4 Gb per album,and that's a FLAC compressed file!

That seems to mirror my finding to Ali! The difference between Redbook & hi-rez is quite large & I also find hi-rez files to sound more like vinyl than an higher resolution redbook as i was expecting!

My PC > E-Mu 0404 > ADM system shows these differnces very nicely, but I also did these tests with a ModWright Transporter which sounded simply devine & with the hi-rez very like a nice vinyl set-up!

Ali, Do you use your touch into the AN Dac? This is where my interest lies, I fancy buying a touch & using it into my AN Dac (when it arrives) & hopefully getting a sound close to the ModWright! Once sorted I'll listen to the Touch/AN Dac against Marks ModWright & see how they compare.

[Ali Tait]

I haven't had a Transporter in my system,but yes,I'm using the Touch with my AN Zero dac,which is a very good combination.A few folk reckon the Touch with a good dac is pretty close to the Transporter,and for a lot less.I will probably change the dac for something diy though.Having heard Nick's Buffalo dac with 6n1p PP output stage into Sowter trannies,I think that's the way to go.A stunning sound,and would go well with the Touch I think.

It'll have to be good to beat the Modwright though.I've not heard one,but been told it's one of the best out there.

[Marco]

Didn't mean that in a bad way Marco,I thought your deck was very good,just sounded a little more digital-like in a clean way compared to say Will's slate 401-perhaps more clinical may be a better way to describe it.

Relax, dude - I was only yankin' ya chain :eyebrows:

I also like Will's deck, and probably for the very same reasons you do :)

I also know *exactly* what you mean by this bit below, and agree, as I've heard the same thing myself:


What I meant is that though these hi-rez are clean sounding in the way your deck is,kind of like good cd is,they sound more analogue than digital,at least to my ears on my system.


Yes indeedy. There are valid reasons for it too ;)


With hi rez files,I don't think anything can come near a streamer like the Touch for the money,certainly no cd player.


I know what you mean, but I think you might be surprised at just how close a *very* good CDP gets to the sound you describe.

Sadly, the days are gone when anything remotely affordable qualifying as such was available, and that's largely why, in terms of audio performance, streaming has taken over... To put it bluntly, 90% of CDPs today are pieces of plastic shit and (sometimes) make streaming sound better than it actually is!

I also suspect that the majority of people who've embraced streaming have never heard a truly great CDP (something massively over-engineered to do the job with almost no compromise).

Marco.

[Ali Tait]

Aye,but I think you'd be talking about something like the new dcs or similar,and even then,they won't be able to play the 24/96 files if it's just a red book player,so I think no matter how expensive,it'll never match a 200 quid streamer playing a hi-rez file.You do need a good dac though!

[Marco]

Nope, DCS players are pish - I hate upsampling with a passion (all their players upsample), as to my ears it sounds artificial! :spew:

I'm primarily talking about high-end built-like-a-brick-shithouse, non-bollocks'd about with, classic CDPs produced in the heyday of CD (1989-1995), or thereabouts, such as my Sony and other players of its ilk :)

Marco.

[alfie2902]

I haven't had a Transporter in my system,but yes,I'm using the Touch with my AN Zero dac,which is a very good combination.A few folk reckon the Touch with a good dac is pretty close to the Transporter,and for a lot less.I will probably change the dac for something diy though.Having heard Nick's Buffalo dac with 6n1p PP output stage into Sowter trannies,I think that's the way to go.A stunning sound,and would go well with the Touch I think.

It'll have to be good to beat the Modwright though.I've not heard one,but been told it's one of the best out there.

If the Touch/AN Dac can get somewhere close to the ModWright at about 1/5 of the price I would be very pleased indeed Ali. The ModWright is adout at the top of the streaming tree & I'm just trying to get close to it at a fraction of the price.

We A/B tested the ModWright against a Linn Akurate & there was very little difference in sound quality some people couldn't discern any difference at all. I'm also a big fan of the Weiss Dac & Mac mini route but alas both the ModWright & Weiss are out of my price range atm. The 6n1p dac sounds interesting though, you diy boys have all the fun :)

Marco,

As Ali says even the very best of Redbook CDPs whether classic early 90's CDP or one of todays better CDP (I really like the RA Opus 21) will always only be 16/44.1. If hi-rez files really take off that limitation won't be able to live with the better streamers!

That said if an Opus 21 comes up at the right price when I have a little more money in my hi-fi fund it would be mine!

[Ali Tait]

Nope, DCS players are pish - I hate upsampling with a passion (all their players upsample), as to my ears it sounds artificial! :spew:

I'm primarily talking about high-end built-like-a-brick-shithouse, non-bollocks'd about with, classic CDPs produced in the heyday of CD (1989-1995), or thereabouts, such as my Sony and other players of its ilk :)

Marco.


LOL I meant players in that price range! As for your Sony,good as it is,it can't play hi-rez files.I don't think any red book cd player,no matter how expensive,could match the Touch playing hi-rez files.It's not just the 24/96 though,it's excellent with cd too!

[Marco]

Hi Alfie,


As Ali says even the very best of Redbook CDPs whether classic early 90's CDP or one of todays better CDP (I really like the RA Opus 21) will always only be 16/44.1. If hi-rez files really take off that limitation won't be able to live with the better streamers!


The bit in bold though is the million dollar question... Exactly how much NEW real music (not audiophile tinkly-tinkly pap) is available as high-res downloads, compared to the same on CD?

For me, no matter how good high-res downloads sound, unless I can obtain the same quantity of choice of new music, as is available now on CD (and/or CD and vinyl together), then I'd simply not be interested! Choice seems rather limited at the moment, and I'm not convinced it's likely to get better to the degree I'd require to wholeheartedly embrace the format.

As for the audio performance aspect of high-res downloads, I can't really comment as I've yet to hear any reproduced through a genuinely top-notch system (something I could actually live with), so until then I'll reserve judgement.

However, what I will say is that I'm sceptical of an entity which may well start out as 'high-res', being diluted into something rather inferior, as it makes its way through the replay chain of (noisy, non-audiophile friendly) paraphernalia attached to the average computer streaming set-up, and its inherent sonic compromises.............

What use is there in sampling the finest claret after it’s been strained though a sweaty sock? ;)

Marco.

[John]

Its very hard to find HD quality downloads to music I enjoy if this ever changes then I will certainly invest in this

[alfie2902]

Hi Alfie,



The bit in bold though is the million dollar question... Exactly how much NEW real music (not audiophile tinkly-tinkly pap) is available as high-res downloads, compared to the same on CD?

For me, no matter how good high-res downloads sound, unless I can obtain the same quantity of choice of new music, as is available now on CD (and/or CD and vinyl together), then I'd simply not be interested! Choice seems rather limited at the moment, and I'm not convinced it's likely to get better to the degree I'd require to wholeheartedly embrace the format.

As for the audio performance aspect of high-res downloads, I can't really comment as I've yet to hear any reproduced through a genuinely top-notch system (something I could actually live with), so until then I'll reserve judgement.

However, what I will say is that I'm sceptical of an entity which may well start its life as 'high-res', being diluted into something rather inferior, as it makes its way through the replay chain of (noisy, non-audiophile friendly) paraphernalia attached to the average computer streaming set-up, and its inherent sonic compromises.............

What use is there in sampling the finest claret after it’s been strained though a sweaty sock? ;)

Marco.

Hi Marco,

I agree at present there is a limited amount of 'real' music available as Hi-Rez but the catalogue is growing slowly all the time https://www.hdtracks.com/ for one are starting to add some better stuff. We will have to see what happens long term but I remember this same point of view when CD was introduced & the hardcore vinyl lovers said the same about quantity of CD. With hindsight this turned out to be quite shortsighted of them. On the other hand I did own a betamax VCR.

As the streamers are getting better though Marco, The ModWright for one sounds as good as a lot of the better CDP even on 16/44.1 recordings. For me I'm just looking to add another source but the writing could be on the wall for CDP for me.

The file can be streamed from NAS so there's not even a need to have a PC in the playback chain so that may acount for the worry of added noise and can be checked for bit perfect.

Starting with a touch into a Dac is not a big investment & is adding to my largish collection of Records & CDs. No brainer for me!

[trailer]

No problem with the banter but I have been looking for some comparisons of the Touch against other streamers.

So far every thread seems to sidetrack into something not specific to the Touch or concerns the operation/set up of it. There's even a thread on the Logitech forum that just deteriorated into the usual slagging match about cables.

I was really looking forward to seeing how the Touch compares against the competition but so far not too much comment.

[Ali Tait]

Sorry,this is the first streamer I've had,so I can't help there.

[Ali Tait]

Hi Alfie,



The bit in bold though is the million dollar question... Exactly how much NEW real music (not audiophile tinkly-tinkly pap) is available as high-res downloads, compared to the same on CD?

For me, no matter how good high-res downloads sound, unless I can obtain the same quantity of choice of new music, as is available now on CD (and/or CD and vinyl together), then I'd simply not be interested! Choice seems rather limited at the moment, and I'm not convinced it's likely to get better to the degree I'd require to wholeheartedly embrace the format.

As for the audio performance aspect of high-res downloads, I can't really comment as I've yet to hear any reproduced through a genuinely top-notch system (something I could actually live with), so until then I'll reserve judgement.

However, what I will say is that I'm sceptical of an entity which may well start out as 'high-res', being diluted into something rather inferior, as it makes its way through the replay chain of (noisy, non-audiophile friendly) paraphernalia attached to the average computer streaming set-up, and its inherent sonic compromises.............

What use is there in sampling the finest claret after it’s been strained though a sweaty sock? ;)

Marco.

I agree,though this stuff is still in it's infancy,I'm sure it will take off,it's just like cd when that came out.As for the replay chain,that's why I waited for the Touch,as you can connect your hard-drive (in my case a Drobo) directly to it,avoiding the need to run a pc at the same time,so I just have the Touch,and a square black box with 4 hard-drives in it connected together with a USB,and that's it.Simples! Pretty much any storage device will work with it.

[trailer]

Sorry,this is the first streamer I've had,so I can't help there.

No problem Ali. Good to see that you're enjoying yours!

[Gazjam]

No problem with the banter but I have been looking for some comparisons of the Touch against other streamers.

So far every thread seems to sidetrack into something not specific to the Touch or concerns the operation/set up of it. There's even a thread on the Logitech forum that just deteriorated into the usual slagging match about cables.

I was really looking forward to seeing how the Touch compares against the competition but so far not too much comment.

I hear ya, I was looking for the same.
A bloke on the Touch forums sold his Lavray Dac(a DA11 I think) after hearing how good the Touch was...

THAT got my attention :)

Couple of Linkys...
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/59877.html
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70167

great quote from one of the (senior?) beta testers of the Touch..

"If by modified SB3 you are referring to the SB+, then yes it is as good as a Transporter. But if you are talking about Boulder or any of the other rip-offs selling modified SB3's then not even close to a TP or even up to a Touch for that matter. By borrowing most and buying a few, I have tested almost all of them. Some actually perform worse then a base line SB3 and most only show the slightest increase on the graph which is not even enough to be enough to be heard because the improvement is so so small as to be barely the thickness of the original graphing line better. When doing accurate and extensive listening tests, there are no differences or improvements if one hasn't spend ones hard earned dollars and expecting to hear some! Besides by the time one buys an SB3 and gets it back from Boulder with all the possible modifications, one could have just bought a Transporter and saved $300 or more dollars and ended up with a Transporter that does play 24/96 native!

By my remarks about the Transporter, please don't get me wrong as the Touch will make a fine digital transport that is a big improvement over the SB3 with the added bonus of playing 24/96 native. It is just my opinion from listening to both of them for over 6 months and testing them that the win still goes to the Transporter. I firmly believe this is especially true if both are being used for their analog outputs. The Transporter has superior analog outs. Running both digital outputs into my Dodson DA-217 MK2-D Digital Processor things get much closer with again with the Transporter being the winner (but its much closer). So it comes down to how its being used as to which to buy now. IMO if one is using analog outs and has to have the best, the Transporter wins hands down. If one only needs a digital transport for a very good DAC, then I say buy a Touch. "

and another:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70167

[Ali Tait]

Drop me a PM if you wanna come over for a listen Gaz.

[Marco]

Hi Ali,


I agree,though this stuff is still in it's infancy,I'm sure it will take off,it's just like cd when that came out.


I agree - lots to be optimised yet :)


As for the replay chain,that's why I waited for the Touch,as you can connect your hard-drive (in my case a Drobo) directly to it,avoiding the need to run a pc at the same time,so I just have the Touch,and a square black box with 4 hard-drives in it connected together with a USB,and that's it.Simples! Pretty much any storage device will work with it.

Does any of the above use a (noisy) switch-mode power supply [not that switch modes are always necessarily a bad thing]?

Marco.

[Covenant]

I think the Touch does have a smps but its not an issue as it has a different type of display from the Classic. Thats what I have heard but no doubt someone will bring out a fancy power supply for it.

[Ali Tait]

As Jerry says,the Touch does,but apparently changing the supply makes no difference due to the design.I remain to be convinced of that though.The Drobo uses one too,but is only connected to the Touch via USB,so not an issue as far as sound quality is concerned.

[aquapiranha]

I must say the touch looks like a brill product. I have been watching videos on youtube about it and it does seem like a very very good product - assuming the SQ is up there where it need to be.

[NRG]

Well I've been stuck in LA for the last two weeks (aaaaahhhhhh! I hear you say) and I'm itching to try the new touch. I hope to be on a flight in 3hrs time, good news after all this time.......still it allowed me to get a new iPad ahead of the UK launch :)

[Covenant]

It didn't take long.....
Comments on Audiocircle about the Touch being improved with a good linear supply:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=79802.msg768829#msg768829
So as I have one that I bought for my SB3 I might give it a whirl!

[Ali Tait]

I must say the touch looks like a brill product. I have been watching videos on youtube about it and it does seem like a very very good product - assuming the SQ is up there where it need to be.

Well I can say the Touch sounds better than either my Arcam or CD94 playing through my Audio Note dac,so yes,it's a pretty good souding device.

[Gazjam]

Did you catch this post on the Touch forums?
THis guy speaks with a bit of "real world" sense I think...

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77727

Post 6

[Stratmangler]

Spotted your post over on the Slim forum.
How's it coming on ?

[pwood]

I am considering a Touch in next couple of months. I see a lot of posts on the Touch but most seem to be using an external dac so would be nice to see more on the Touch used direct. I would like to know if its analogue outputs playing lossless files will be better than my Arcam CD73. I only have access to the dac in the Onkyo and when I tried digital out from the CD73 it was not as good especially in the sound stage.

[Tripmaster]

I am considering a Touch in next couple of months. I see a lot of posts on the Touch but most seem to be using an external dac so would be nice to see more on the Touch used direct. I would like to know if its analogue outputs playing lossless files will be better than my Arcam CD73. I only have access to the dac in the Onkyo and when I tried digital out from the CD73 it was not as good especially in the sound stage.

Hi Paul

I think it sounds pretty nice, I haven't heard the CD73 so cant comment. The Touch is a good product, and will get better as the developers correct some of the minor glitches.

I would order one online and compare, if you really don't like it send it back.

Its your opinion that matters most :)

[Ali Tait]

It'll certainly be better playing hi-rez files!

[Gazjam]

Any good source of hires downloads Ali?

Preferably not the tinkly hifi show nonsense :)

[Ali Tait]

HD Tracks is good.PM me! At the end of the day though,choice is fairly limited at the moment.They seem to have the best choice of what is available.

[Tripmaster]

Hi Ali

Are you pleased with your HDTracks purchase?

[Ali Tait]

Yes indeed,the sound quality is amazing.The files take an age to download though.Best starting one before you go to bed.

[Tripmaster]

Hi Ali

I decided to copy some 24/96 tracks to a 4GB SD card this evening and they played without stuttering

I might get a larger card as they are so cheap, and I have so few hi-res titles.

When they sort out the software bugs I'll be able to use the card in my camera :)

[The Grand Wazoo]

Will you be able to select your favourite track as the sound for the click of the shutter?

I wonder what track you'd choose?
I'd have to have Miles Davis - 'Someday My Prints Will Come'

C00IcNvSMnM

[Tripmaster]

Hi Ali

Not sure if you saw this tweak on the Touch forum.

If you scroll down to the Flac menu on the left hand side, and change the Flac setting to 'disabled' you will find 24/96 files play without stuttering.

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/Tripmaster_photo/TouchSettings.jpg

I hope this helps

[Peter Galbavy]

Does that tweak mean the FLAC is being decoded by the server and transmitted as PCM or downsampled and passed as MP3 even ? Scary if it's the latter and people are happy....

[Ali Tait]

Hi Ali

Not sure if you saw this tweak on the Touch forum.

If you scroll down to the Flac menu on the left hand side, and change the Flac setting to 'disabled' you will find 24/96 files play without stuttering.

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo189/Tripmaster_photo/TouchSettings.jpg

I hope this helps

Thanks for that,only problem is I can't get the netbook to connect to the Touch.I'd also echo Peter's questions.

[Tripmaster]

Hi

Here is the thread. I couldn't find this earlier

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78771

[Ali Tait]

Thanks Richard.

[Peter Galbavy]

Got mine yesterday. Direct from Logitech for £220 delivered. Using a 15% discount code I found (LOGIDEAL15 - may still work).

Went in fine, moved a few bits around and moved the SB3 into the AV room :)

Didn't have time to really listen as had friends round for dinner, but it plays 24/96 from DVD-A fine - which was the trigger for buying it really - and the stuttering on the startup of 24/96 FLAC is reduced with hardwired Ethernet. I hope and assume they will fix this in future updates. I don't want to decode to PCM in my already overloaded ReadyNAS NV+.

Now, to find time to listen and play with Caiman opamps too...

[dave2010]

Got mine yesterday. Direct from Logitech for £220 delivered. Using a 15% discount code I found (LOGIDEAL15 - may still work).
Code should still work up to 23rd May - http://www.vouchercodes.com/vouchers/logitechuk.htm~logitech%20voucher%20code?gclid=CIe ZjoHx3aECFclr4wodD0amJA

Might still be able to get some items cheaper elsewhere though, so compare the discounted list price with the price from other sellers.

[firedog55]

No problem with the banter but I have been looking for some comparisons of the Touch against other streamers.

So far every thread seems to sidetrack into something not specific to the Touch or concerns the operation/set up of it. There's even a thread on the Logitech forum that just deteriorated into the usual slagging match about cables.

I was really looking forward to seeing how the Touch compares against the competition but so far not too much comment.

I think some of the most useful comments about the Touch at the Logitech Forum came from the Beta Testers. These are very experienced listeners, most have good systems, and a couple of them even do things like build DACs - so they have a big basis for comparison.

The general opinion seemed to be that the Touch is superior to all the earlier SB devices except for the Transporter (which is being phased out). Both analogue and digital output.

As far as being a digital source only, there was general agreement that the Touch was very close to the quality of the Transporter. A couple of the Beta Testers even said that if your goal is only to use an SB device as a digital Transport, they would definitely go with the Touch and not the Transporter, as the quality is very close, and the price difference is significant. One Beta Tester even said he doubts in blind testing that listeners could consistently pick out the Touch vs the Transporter as digital transports.

[HanTheMan]

The most interesting feature of the Touch to me is using it as a USB HDD music player.

Apparently you can connect connect the Touch to a self powered USB hub like this:
http://www2.elecom.co.jp/cable/usb-hub/u2h-z10s/index.asp
and connect numerous USB storage devices to it.

The Touch will work as a server/player so there is no need to have a computer or NAS to steam to it. Anyone tried this?

Hansen

[Ali Tait]

I have a drobo connected via USB to mine.Works fine usually.

[HanTheMan]

I have to research further factors such as the maximum size of the usb storage devices and the limitations of using the Touch in this method.

If the Touch, as a server, can handle a series of 1TB (or larger) hard disks well - then the price would be well worth it to me as all my cds are ripped and the physical discs stored away. The only use I have for the network function is probably for internet radio, which i listen to occasionally.

Hansen

[Ali Tait]

I've bought a Guruplug to run SC on,so file size will not be an issue in the future.Should get it in about 3 weeks-

http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-4-guruplugs.aspx

It's the Plus version I've gone for.

[Ali Tait]

Also means I can try the Audiophile tweaks suggested at Slimforums.

[Stratmangler]

I've bought a Guruplug to run SC on,so file size will not be an issue in the future.Should get it in about 3 weeks-

http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-4-guruplugs.aspx

It's the Plus version I've gone for.

Have you got your hands on it yet Ali ?

If you're up and running with it, how well does it cope, and can you access internet radio via the iPlayer on Squeezebox Server - the R3 320kbps AAC streams sound very good indeed, although BBC broadcasts in general sound very good off the 'net.

[Ali Tait]

Nope,still delayed Chris,while they mod them to stop the overheating issues.They are hard to get hold of,only answering when you send a nasty mail.Doesn't inspire confidence!

They said they will be shipping shortly,though I'll believe it when I see it.