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Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHWdvbJFssE
Now get this: they are pretty much ALL illegal in this country for use on public footpaths and roads.
Even electric bicycles have absurd restrictions.
Killjoy, nanny state failing to practise what it preaches? Or just an out of date, slow to react government? Or the right course of action?
Me? I an going to buy an electric skateboard and see what happens. Very, very little is my bet. Worst off scenario I suspect would be a conversation with a policeman. But where do you ever see those these days?
I went out on my skateboard today. I haven't forgotten how. Keen skateboarder in my time, me.
Great ides as long as you live somewhere that is completely flat with mostly dry weather.
Grandson has one of those 2 wheel boards. It's heavy and quite quick. It's illegal to use apparently anywhere bar private ground tho. A bit silly but guess you can't have thousands of folk zooming around knocking granny down or causing accidents. Or can we? [emoji41]
Great ides as long as you live somewhere that is completely flat with mostly dry weather.Some electric skateboards will go up 30 degree inclines. You can fit off road wheels too and run them on grass.
Electric scooters are classified as mopeds here. You have to register and pass a test. And even then I think only one brand of electric scooter is actually legal here.
Scooters (and other personal EVs) don't need flat roads but then going up hills drains batteries, but going down them charges them up. Far better than you might think.
Grandson has one of those 2 wheel boards. It's heavy and quite quick. It's illegal to use apparently anywhere bar private ground tho. A bit silly but guess you can't have thousands of folk zooming around knocking granny down or causing accidents. Or can we? [emoji41]Have you ever been to Amsterdam? Pedestrians do NOT have right of way.
Seems to work.
Some electric skateboards will go up 30 degree inclines. You can fit off road wheels too and run them on grass.
Electric scooters are classified as mopeds here. You have to register and pass a test. And even then I think only one brand of electric scooter is actually legal here.
Scooters (and other personal EVs) don't need flat roads but then going up hills drains batteries, but going down them charges them up. Far better than you might think.
Our traffic systems are antiquated here tbh. It's mostly because our roads are old and pedestrian footpaths are small. Bike lanes few etc. It's all the car. Disabled scooters are frowned upon etc. A farce really
Our traffic systems are antiquated here tbh. It's mostly because our roads are old and pedestrian footpaths are small. Bike lanes few etc. It's all the car. Disabled scooters are frowned upon etc. A farce reallyI do think we will need to do something about it. And I think we will. These vehicles will get so advanced they will have built in protection and communicate with each other for safety's sake.
That's a long way off (or is it really?) but in order to get green these things are necessary and are not an evil.
Getting green with current tech probably means more nuke power stations to charge these things and electric vehicles up, at least until fusion reactors become a reality, but hey.
Some European countries are starting to get hip to this devices.
It's trickier here as our town are old mostly so roads etc aren't very big. A lot of Europe was flattened in war and were rebuilt with an eye to the future
montesquieu
11-08-2018, 20:58
Grandson has one of those 2 wheel boards. It's heavy and quite quick. It's illegal to use apparently anywhere bar private ground tho. A bit silly but guess you can't have thousands of folk zooming around knocking granny down or causing accidents. Or can we? [emoji41]
They are called cyclists. A bit like baseball hats, lime green lycra instantly knocks 20-30 points of a bloke's IQ.
Have you ever been to Amsterdam? Pedestrians do NOT have right of way.
Seems to work.
No it doesn't. It's a frickin nightmare that place. You jump to get out of the way of the cyclists and you're right in the path of the tram. One of the most dangerous places I've ever been and I've free climbed in Snowdonia.
No way these things will ever replace a car. Especially when it is raining out. Except maybe that Japanese one that was basically an enclosed tricycle. That looked good on the video but I don't fancy driving it down the A500 in the dark and rain with an artic up my jacksey.
No it doesn't. It's a frickin nightmare that place. You jump to get out of the way of the cyclists and you're right in the path of the tram. One of the most dangerous places I've ever been and I've free climbed in Snowdonia.
No way these things will ever replace a car. Especially when it is raining out. Except maybe that Japanese one that was basically an enclosed tricycle. That looked good on the video but I don't fancy driving it down the A500 in the dark and rain with an artic up my jacksey.Seems to work in favour of the non-pedestrian, I meant.
It is a bit scary as one, as you literally seem to be a target for cyclists should you even get close to a cycle lane. You need to realise they are simply enforcing the rules. Once you have understood that, you get cool to it. And it is no longer an issue.
So are we worried about the speed of electric personal transport?
No valid reason there. Check out this longboard video. No electric crap slowing this dude up:
https://youtu.be/NgMSnFxvzTc
Loads more of the same on the tube.
You wouldn't do that on our roads if you were sane. One pothole and your stovies
Nah we've got good bits here and there. As a skate head you are always assessing viable terrain for awesomeness.
Nice to know some folks roads are decent. Our roads here a a disgrace even after resurface.
We should rediscover walking rather than trying to find new ways to waste expensive energy, enormous health benefits and less chance of injury all round. Of course anyone who really needs electrically powered personal transport is an exception
We should rediscover walking rather than trying to find new ways to waste expensive energy, enormous health benefits and less chance of injury all round. Of course anyone who really needs electrically powered personal transport is an exceptionTo a degree but the range of these vehicles is longer than most are ever prepared to walk. And it is quicker, too.
Need to be realistic here.
People are driving round generally with one person in huge 4 seater cars. That is massively energy inefficient.
To a degree but the range of these vehicles is longer than most are ever prepared to walk. And it is quicker, too.
Need to be realistic here.
People are driving round generally with one person in huge 4 seater cars. That is massively energy inefficient.
What would be even more efficient is a society where no-one needs to travel distances very often. One where you can walk to the shops, walk to work, walk to school because it is all within half a mile of your house. Effectively the exact set-up we used to have until they decided to change it all.
In the future, we don't need horses. We have motorized carriages called "automobiles." .. If everybody's got one of these auto-whats-its, does anybody walk or run any more?
Of course we run, but for recreation. Fun.
.................. Run for fun? What the hell kinda fun is that?!
walpurgis
12-08-2018, 10:58
What would be even more efficient is a society where no-one needs to travel distances very often. One where you can walk to the shops, walk to work, walk to school because it is all within half a mile of your house. Effectively the exact set-up we used to have until they decided to change it all.
Yup. Dead right!
To a degree but the range of these vehicles is longer than most are ever prepared to walk. And it is quicker, too
Aye - and there's the rub ... been nearly mown down a couple of times by twats riding mobility scooters or electric bikes in busy pedestrian areas or on footpaths. I use the term 'twats' advisedly as, whilst many users take great care not to drive at speed in such situations, there are a few that clearly don't give a shit and don't give a toss what the consequences of their selfishness might be. :steam:
As these kinds of transport begin to take on significant user numbers (of all ages) there's a real need to start talking about proficiency tests, road tax and mandatory insurance BEFORE they are allowed anywhere near other road users.
Have you ever been to Amsterdam? Pedestrians do NOT have right of way.
Seems to work.
Not true - I learnt to drive in Holland and passed my test there. There are certainly a number of situations where pedestrians DO have the right of way... not saying they are always adhered to - but such is the case with any law.
Some people find them very useful:
2c8F4Wscdag (https://youtu.be/2c8F4Wscdag)
Stryder5
12-08-2018, 11:13
What would be even more efficient is a society where no-one needs to travel distances very often. One where you can walk to the shops, walk to work, walk to school because it is all within half a mile of your house. Effectively the exact set-up we used to have until they decided to change it all.
It seems that the assumption is that everyone lives in a town or city!
Try living in a rural community, no local work you have to drive, bus services negligeable.
Cycling to work, don't make me laugh, though last winter. Nearest town 15 miles limited work available.
Nearest city with meaning ful employment 25 miles.
My choice to live here I know.
Let's make a law that encompasses locations, people who live in towns or cities can't own cars, after all this is were the pollution is concentrated.
Driving children to school banned.
All in the best possible taste :sofa:
Some people find them very useful:
2c8F4Wscdag (https://youtu.be/2c8F4Wscdag)
that the gadget my grandson was using.. wish they had them when I was young:eyebrows:
It seems that the assumption is that everyone lives in a town or city!
Try living in a rural community, no local work you have to drive, bus services negligeable.
Cycling to work, don't make me laugh, though last winter. Nearest town 15 miles limited work available.
Nearest city with meaning ful employment 25 miles.
My choice to live here I know.
Let's make a law that encompasses locations, people who live in towns or cities can't own cars, after all this is were the pollution is concentrated.
Driving children to school banned.
All in the best possible taste :sofa:
That's now but in the past you had a shops, post office , pubs, village school. You could buy stuff direct from the farm. And everyone who lived there would work round about, on the farms and that. Okay so school would be a bus ride to the nearest town, or if you wanted to buy something fancy. But that's about it.
Anyway most people live in towns and cities, if they weren't also having to drive everywhere the inefficiencies of the comparative few who need to commute from the countryside wouldn't be much of an issue on its own.
Pigmy Pony
12-08-2018, 11:39
What would be even more efficient is a society where no-one needs to travel distances very often. One where you can walk to the shops, walk to work, walk to school because it is all within half a mile of your house. Effectively the exact set-up we used to have until they decided to change it all.
Exactly. We have created a car-dependant world. We need to say "Right this isn't working, lets go back to the point before it started going wrong". The current set up penalises town centre shops with all the parking restrictions and stupidly high council taxes, while Amazon can turn over billions and somehow pay next to bugger all taxes.
Bring the big stores back into the town centres, and the out of town stores and warehouses could be given to whichever farmers they originally bought the land from. Make nice big cow sheds and barns.
And let's have an efficient and keenly priced public transport system.
One of my dad's most often recited gripes is when driving form Preston to Chorley one morning, he saw coming in the opposite direction a Chorley-based plumber's van, probably headed to Preston. I see where he's coming form with this - we should make better use of local businesses. My brother buys his windows and doors from a firm in Manchester, who deliver it to him. He saves a bit of money, but if ever there is something missing or faulty he has to drive to Manchester or wait for the next delivery. I buy mine from a local firm, and although I pay a little more, We have a good relationship with mutual trust, plus if there's ever a problem they are a few minutes away, not an hour on the motorway (each way!)
There's an assumption that 'the new way' has to be better than the old, otherwise why change it? We just have to accept that sometimes we may get it wrong.
Stryder5
12-08-2018, 11:40
That's now but in the past you had a shops, post office , pubs, village school. You could buy stuff direct from the farm. And everyone who lived there would work round about, on the farms and that. Okay so school would be a bus ride to the nearest town, or if you wanted to buy something fancy. But that's about it.
Anyway most people live in towns and cities, if they weren't also having to drive everywhere the inefficiencies of the comparative few who need to commute from the countryside wouldn't be much of an issue on its own.
The past is irrelevant.
I think that most people work in cities or towns is true, however the percentage that commute into those cities or towns is unknown.
It would be interesting to see the projected use of electric cars power consumption with the projections of power production from the U.K.'s power sources, together with the infrastructure to support the volumes.
Think the big issue will be how do people who dont have a driveway etc charge them up? or is this just a way to keep poorer folk on public transport and bikes while our richer counterparts swan along in teslas;)
Pigmy Pony
12-08-2018, 11:59
Maybe they could fit charging points to lamp posts etc, something that can record your usage and bill you accordingly.
Let's make a law that encompasses locations, people who live in towns or cities can't own cars, after all this is were the pollution is concentrated.
In our (small) city that would require a massive upgrade to local bus routes and timings first to have any chance ... not ever going to happen - in fact it's in strong decline.
There are some great gadgets in the video, but in this country, thats all they are tbh. Weather, traffic, road surfaces and inclinations would mean they wont be used much.
Big changes will be needed, but most important would be proper integrated cheap public transport which, lets face it, isnt economic outwith the big cities.
Getting business to scatter is a nice thought but they arent going to do it. They want to be in a central location for mass selling. Financial services like to be in areas like london where they can take their clients to the opera etc and top staff wont live in places like Lochgelly.
Stryder5
12-08-2018, 12:57
In our (small) city that would require a massive upgrade to local bus routes and timings first to have any chance ... not ever going to happen - in fact it's in strong decline.
In reality I know this, even our pathetic service is in decline.
A part answer is home working as I did before I retired, this is limited to certain functions though.
With the same job though I went through a 3 month or so period where I had to be in Fareham on a Monday, Milton Keynes on a Wednesday and Newcastle on Tyne on Fridays......some 1000+ miles a week.
I was, however, a bit Eco, working paperless 95% of the time. Didn't compensate for the fuel usage though, that was out of my control.
It would be interesting to see the projected use of electric cars power consumption with the projections of power production from the U.K.'s power sources, together with the infrastructure to support the volumes.
Exactly. No one ever seems to talk about this. It is an issue.
The past is irrelevant..
I don't know, I think we can learn from the past. What's wrong with taking the things that worked well then and bringing them back?
Lots of people cycle now to get about, that's something that has come back from the past. When I was a lad you would not see anyone between the ages of 18 and 60 on a bike, except the odd student. But my grandfather (born 1903) cycled to work and back every day as did thousands of working-class men.
There are some great gadgets in the video, but in this country, thats all they are tbh. Weather, traffic, road surfaces and inclinations would mean they wont be used much.
Big changes will be needed, but most important would be proper integrated cheap public transport which, lets face it, isnt economic outwith the big cities.
Getting business to scatter is a nice thought but they arent going to do it. They want to be in a central location for mass selling. Financial services like to be in areas like london where they can take their clients to the opera etc and top staff wont live in places like Lochgelly.Big changes are already in place with Bristol declaring war on the motorist with 20mph speed limits through the the centre, and cycle lanes everywhere.
A mass of these vehicles, the video only touches on a few, are well able to keep up with a 20mph speed limit. Yet the option to use them legally is not there.
This is absurd. Scooters and some of the other vehicles are as safe as bikes I would say. More so, really. They are easier to jump off of. Come off a bike and you are far more likely to really hurt yourself.
I don't buy the this country argument at all. Push bikes are popular in Bristol but the use of electric ones would be far more popular as people are basically lazy. They are still a bit too pricey at the moment. I think they just need more promotion and a realist restriction of 30 mph (for out of town use).
Stryder5
12-08-2018, 14:22
I don't know, I think we can learn from the past. What's wrong with taking the things that worked well then and bringing them back?
Lots of people cycle now to get about, that's something that has come back from the past. When I was a lad you would not see anyone between the ages of 18 and 60 on a bike, except the odd student. But my grandfather (born 1903) cycled to work and back every day as did thousands of working-class men.
Because it just won't work, certainly we can learn from the past, but bring back horses (think of the mess that used to abound) bring back workhouses, children working at 6 years old under the looms in mills? No immigrants of a notable number. Wars where hundreds of thousands get killed.
If you're grandfather was roughly in the same location you are in currently he probably worked in the pottery industry. The bicycle was probably the only form of transport, other than walking, that he could afford.
Certainly it would be better if both parents didn't have to work to get through.
Try asking anyone to give up something they consider their right to own or do.
Gary
i would like it to happen.
i would like it to happen.Me too. But we are blocking progress with Draconian laws. We will get over it I hope.
Health and safety has gone mad in this country and this is a perceived safety issue and the old minds of decision makers who can't really wise up to it.
One point this they never had these gadgets, therefore they do not trust them. Some truth in that I think.
walpurgis
12-08-2018, 15:17
Health and safety has gone mad in this country
Somebody ought to tell the Indian builders and roofers around here. Clambering about high up with no scaffolds, just ladders. Lobbing rubble and slates into skips in the street, over the heads of whoever's trying to get past. Dangerous buggers!
Health and safety has gone mad in this country and this is a perceived safety issue and the old minds of decision makers who can't really wise up to it.
Disagree entirely - while you have nutters like Alliston on two wheels in public places, pedestrians need all the protection they can get:
"Alliston was riding a fixed gear bike with no front brakes when he hit the 44-year-old mother-of-two as she crossed a road in east London in February 2016."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
We need more up to date laws - and stricter enforcement ... and that applies even more to electric scooters and bikes as their use increases and the 'modder' crowd start to to boost their potential (already happening)
Disagree entirely - while you have nutters like Alliston on two wheels in public places, pedestrians need all the protection they can get:
"Alliston was riding a fixed gear bike with no front brakes when he hit the 44-year-old mother-of-two as she crossed a road in east London in February 2016."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
We need more up to date laws - and stricter enforcement ... and that applies even more to electric scooters and bikes as their use increases and the 'modder' crowd start to to boost their potential (already happening)Any form of transport will always be open to abuse and will carry safety risks.
The modder community have modified cars to extreme levels. Insanely fast cars are road legal.
What's the difference here? Idiots will always exist.
Hell, I can't even dive of a diving board at the local swimming pool. I greatly resent that fact.
Any form of transport will always be open to abuse and will carry safety risks.
The modder community have modified cars to extreme levels. Insanely fast cars are road legal.
What's the difference here? Idiots will always exist.
The level of legal restrictions applied to pedal cycles and electrical vehicles is staggeringly minimal compared to that of larger road vehicles (cars, vans, trucks, etc) and what little there is is barely enforced, if at all, by comparison.
Pavement use by such vehicles is not even remotely policed despite the clear dangers and the accidents that occur on a regular basis ... including fatalities such as the one linked to.
What modders do to cars is irrelevant and doesn't excuse latitude in other cases.
The level of legal restrictions applied to pedal cycles and electrical vehicles is staggeringly minimal compared to that of larger road vehicles (cars, vans, trucks, etc) and what little there is is barely enforced, if at all, by comparison.
Pavement use by such vehicles is not even remotely policed...
First paragraph - no way. That's what the thread is about. You can't legally ride an electric scooter or most other electric vehicles on roads or pavements or cycle lanes (as far as I know for this last case) apart from one brand of scooter.
2nd para is true.
Disagree entirely - while you have nutters like Alliston on two wheels in public places, pedestrians need all the protection they can get:
"Alliston was riding a fixed gear bike with no front brakes when he hit the 44-year-old mother-of-two as she crossed a road in east London in February 2016."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
We need more up to date laws - and stricter enforcement ... and that applies even more to electric scooters and bikes as their use increases and the 'modder' crowd start to to boost their potential (already happening)
His bike was illegal (as you probably know) so the law covers that particular point, how it could be effectively enforced with the current lack of coppers on the beat is beyond me - same goes for any laws related to bikes. Citizens arrests may be the only answer!
First paragraph - no way. That's what the thread is about. You can't legally ride an electric scooter or most other electric vehicles on roads or pavements or cycle lanes (as far as I know for this last case) apart from one brand of scooter.
Err - that really just confirms what I said in the first paragraph :scratch:
"The level of legal restrictions applied to pedal cycles and electrical vehicles is staggeringly minimal compared to that of larger road vehicles (cars, vans, trucks, etc) and what little there is is barely enforced, if at all, by comparison."
His bike was illegal (as you probably know) so the law covers that particular point, how it could be effectively enforced with the current lack of coppers on the beat is beyond me - same goes for any laws related to bikes. Citizens arrests may be the only answer!
I recall his counsel tried to argue that having a fixed gear bike meant it effectively had two forms of braking (backpedaling and putting his feet on the floor) and was thus road legal - that was thrown out PDQ ....
What really got me about this case was Alliston's apparent arrogance and indifference (given that he had killed another human being....) - he claimed she had ample time to 'get out of his way'.
This sums up the attitude of too many two wheelers and electric scooter users I have come across who seem to think they have some kind of 'right of way' on the pavement :steam:
Fortunately not all are like that and have the good manners and grace to acknowledge that the footpath is primarily the safety area for pedestrians on the highway to go about their daily business unhindered..
Err - that really just confirms what I said in the first paragraph :scratch:
"The level of legal restrictions applied to pedal cycles and electrical vehicles is staggeringly minimal compared to that of larger road vehicles (cars, vans, trucks, etc) and what little there is is barely enforced, if at all, by comparison."Well I don't think the points made by me.and that paragraph are the same. But hey. Don't worry. I'm not out to argue.
I recall his counsel tried to argue that having a fixed gear bike meant it effectively had two forms of braking (backpedaling and putting his feet on the floor) and was thus road legal - that was thrown out PDQ ....
What really got me about this case was Alliston's apparent arrogance and indifference (given that he had killed another human being....) - he claimed she had ample time to 'get out of his way'.
This sums up the attitude of too many two wheelers and electric scooter users I have come across who seem to think they have some kind of 'right of way' on the pavement :steam:
Fortunately not all are like that and have the good manners and grace to acknowledge that the footpath is primarily the safety area for pedestrians on the highway to go about their daily business unhindered..I think there's a lot of contempt held between cyclists and motorists and vice versa. And a disparity of view on what's right or not in terms of road usage. Whether it's correct or not.
I do frequently see cyclists riding right out in the middle of the road. Without a care in the world. They think they own it type arrogance. When I'm on mine I always ride as close to the kerb as possible.
Cyclists riding in packs feel no issue with taking up entire lanes.
There's no accounting for attitudes and behaviours sometimes.
Both often try to take their own high ground instead of respecting each other. Same can be said for motorcycles
Whether we like it or not the internal combustion engine as such is gonna go for most. If all countries could agree on anything we might get somewhere but that won't happen. Human nature
hifi_dave
13-08-2018, 11:44
The level of legal restrictions applied to pedal cycles and electrical vehicles is staggeringly minimal compared to that of larger road vehicles (cars, vans, trucks, etc) and what little there is is barely enforced, if at all, by comparison.
Pavement use by such vehicles is not even remotely policed despite the clear dangers and the accidents that occur on a regular basis ... including fatalities such as the one linked to.
What modders do to cars is irrelevant and doesn't excuse latitude in other cases.
Exactly.
I've lost count of the number of times I have almost been mown down by badly ridden bikes in Cambridge. They are on the pavements, riding the wrong way on one way streets, ignoring traffic lights and going too fast to stop safely. It's like a Velodrome.
montesquieu
13-08-2018, 12:05
Exactly.
I've lost count of the number of times I have almost been mown down by badly ridden bikes in Cambridge. They are on the pavements, riding the wrong way on one way streets, ignoring traffic lights and going too fast to stop safely. It's like a Velodrome.
It's not just cities. My latest brush with death at the hands of a lycra lout came when I was in a quiet country lane not far from a section of the Ridgeway in rural South Oxfordshire, roughly equidistant from the big smokes of Henley on Thames and Wallingford (appropriately enough a regular filming location for Midsummer Murders).
I drive this lane occasionally as there's a wonderful part-Saxon/early Norman church round there that's lovely to visit, and it's a 5 mph drive - it's hilly, high hedges restrict visibility especially in spring and summer, and it's single track with occasional passing places - so the last thing I was expecting was a bunch of day-glow clowns on a make-believe Tour de France charging out of nowhere at full pelt.
Walking correctly on the right hand side of the road facing oncoming traffic we were narrowly missed by the one at the front, then sworn at and abused by several of them for not getting out of the way quick enough.
One can only hope that one day they meet an equally self-entitled Range Rover driver coming too fast the other way.
It's the sense of entitlement that really pisses me off. I'm sure a lot of cyclists don't have that but there are far too many who do.
Plenty of car owners who think they own road too... driving ability and especially awareness is extremely poor. I dont think the ease in which new vehicles drive have helped. Instead of being occupied with art of driving properly they are to busy doing other things.
WESTLOWER
13-08-2018, 13:07
Pudgy, middle aged Men in day glow Lycra should be thrashed. They really should know better.
Just why exactly do cyclists not contribute to the taxes other road users get royally bent over for?
And why do they have to ride 2 abreast on the road in those big swarms of day glow?
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 13:23
Pudgy, middle aged Men in day glow Lycra should be thrashed. They really should know better.
Just why exactly do cyclists not contribute to the taxes other road users get royally bent over for?
And why do they have to ride 2 abreast on the road in those big swarms of day glow?
1) Proper cyclists are unlikely to be pudgy.
1) How much wear & tear and congestion do cyclists cause?
3) Why shouldn't they ride 2 abreast. It's legal and takes up less road width than a car.
montesquieu
13-08-2018, 13:31
1) Proper cyclists are unlikely to be pudgy.
Fair point. They can be a bit of a eyesore though. And the dressing up box should really be left to infants.
2) How much wear & tear and congestion do cyclists cause?
Quite a bit of congestion if they are holding up other traffic (as they frequently do on rural and semi-rural roads expecially when riding in packs) and there is additional wear and tear as cars break to slow then accelerate to go past.
3) Why shouldn't they ride 2 abreast. It's legal and takes up less room than a car.
Because it's inconsiderate to other road users, see above.
BTW I'm by no means defending dickhead car driving or aggressive behavior by car drivers towards cyclists, simply pointing out that there are things cyclists do (for example, going to the front of the lights where there is no cycle lane, requiring every car that previously passed them to pass them again, instead of simply taking their place in the queue) that are particularly annoying to law abiding car drivers.
martian sunrise
13-08-2018, 13:38
i pay ved for two cars - can i cycle on your roads, or not?
WESTLOWER
13-08-2018, 13:42
1) Proper cyclists are unlikely to be pudgy.
'Proper' ...what does that mean?...loads of porkers round here pretending to wear the yellow jersey.
1) How much wear & tear and congestion do cyclists cause?
What's that to do with it? if you use the road on wheels you should pay..simple.
3) Why shouldn't they ride 2 abreast. It's legal and takes up less road width than a car.
true, but still annoying for no logical reason.
WESTLOWER
13-08-2018, 13:44
i pay ved for two cars - can i cycle on your roads, or not?
NOPE, if you pay for 2 cars AND your bike, why yes, feel free good sir.
martian sunrise
13-08-2018, 13:47
ved is based on emissions, no?
montesquieu
13-08-2018, 13:51
ved is based on emissions, no?
Customarily it's a tax on road usage by powered vehicles, calculation of it based on emissions was a Gordon Brown wheeze to nudge behavior, a narrative that has been maintained subsequently, but it's a bit ridiculous to take that too seriously, if emissions went across the board to zero they'd surely find another reason to impose charges.
martian sunrise
13-08-2018, 13:53
nonetheless, the claim that cyclists don't pay 'road tax' is bollocks
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 13:58
Ownership and the casuality of use of a bicycle without attendant beurocratic crap is one of the last freedoms left. It would be a shame to see that lost.
montesquieu
13-08-2018, 14:00
nonetheless, the claim that cyclists don't pay 'road tax' is bollocks
Personally I don't make that argument. My objection is to some (actually a large proportion of) cyclists' behavior. (And yes, whatabout car drivers etc etc - but idiot car drivers does not excuse selfish or dangerous behavior by cyclists.)
I don't recall any antagonism between cars and cyclists in years gone by, it's only in the last decade or so with the widespread arrival of the dayglow dickhead who treats every outing as a time trial (whether it be a commute or a ride in the countryside) that many of these issues have arisen.
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 14:01
Never mind bikes, I pay no tax on my car..........so there! :ner:
martian sunrise
13-08-2018, 14:21
Personally I don't make that argument. My objection is to some (actually a large proportion of) cyclists' behavior. (And yes, whatabout car drivers etc etc - but idiot car drivers does not excuse selfish or dangerous behavior by cyclists.)
I don't recall any antagonism between cars and cyclists in years gone by, it's only in the last decade or so with the widespread arrival of the dayglow dickhead who treats every outing as a time trial (whether it be a commute or a ride in the countryside) that many of these issues have arisen.
oh, sure, I would agree that there are plenty of fannies on bikes, but when you do both you see that there are plenty on both sides of the equation. it's just that when it goes wrong in a car it is significantly more dangerous than a bike.
the numbers show this.
WESTLOWER
13-08-2018, 15:06
nonetheless, the claim that cyclists don't pay 'road tax' is bollocks
Why is it bollocks? Under the current set up, if You use the road, you pay. Simple.
It's not about wear and tear, it's about usage.
I have 2 cars, I pay for 1 the other is totally Free, as it's a classic, but I don't agree with that either..
It's a ridiculous system anyway.
Why not just lob the road Tax into the fuel cost? Much fairer system.
Under that set up the 2 wheel, tax dodgers still swerve any contribution.
I'd also make peddlers have some sort of insurance to share the road with others too! :sofa:
agree re road tax should be in the fuel cost. major users that need vehicle like doctors etc and haulage can get a rebate after a certain amount.
also agree anyone using roads including bicyclists should have mandatory 3rd party insurance.
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 15:15
It's not mandatory, but many cyclists do have insurance. I did at one time.
WESTLOWER
13-08-2018, 15:18
Anyway, a road is simply for travelling from A to B, not for casual unprepared sporting events round every other blind corner.
Those packs of day glow, testosterone clubs that zoom around the country roads are just plain dangerous.
Velodromes are where sport cycling belongs.
WESTLOWER
13-08-2018, 15:20
It's not mandatory, but many cyclists do have insurance. I did at one time.
Dubious the word 'many'... Few i'd guess.
The lycra is the dead giveaway, anyone prepared to get dressed up like that is clearly taking it and themselves way too seriously.
Worst are the ones who reckon they are somehow holy and blessed because they think that by choosing to cycle they are doing their bit for the environment. I'd run them over, then reverse back and run them over again.
WESTLOWER
13-08-2018, 15:39
When I was a kid I took my Cycling Proficiency Test, and passed :) We were taught how to ride safely on the roads, use traffic lights and generally obey the rules of the road like any other vehicle.
Since then, what happened? :scratch:
Ha! It's like Wacky Races through Islington in the mornings!
Ha! It's like Wacky Races through Islington in the mornings!
I'd like to see that, especially when they find out that the entrance to the Dartford tunnel is just painted on.
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 16:07
Amazing how anti-cyclist the mood seems. It almost makes me want to buy another bike, just to piss everybody off!
Mind you, I can be just as annoying on my motorbike.
Why is it bollocks? Under the current set up, if You use the road, you pay. Simple.
It's not about wear and tear, it's about usage.
In a sense it is about 'wear and tear' but crucially it's about maintenance. Potholes (for instance) are not simply a product of usage but a deterioration largely caused by natural developments occurring under the surface. They are a major source of irritation and a danger to all road users (bar pedestrians) and cost millions to put right every year. Only fair that the users who are most affected and benefit most from the upkeep should bear the brunt of the cost rather than burden the general taxpayer. I see no reason why cyclists should be exempt from this at all.
Insurance is the other one that gets my goat - cyclists can and do cause accidents that impact on other people's lives in sometimes quite drastic ways (as the Alliston case shows) and yet are immune from the requirement of cover for injury/damage to third parties..... ridiculous.
martian sunrise
13-08-2018, 16:11
[edit - i'm out]
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 16:16
I'll start looking for another bike I think.
Amazing how anti-cyclist the mood seems. It almost makes me want to buy another bike, just to piss everybody off!
Actually I'm not really that 'anti-cyclist' but am completely against the idea of liberalising the restrictions placed on the use of electric vehicles that seemed to be the gist of the thread at the beginning.
Bad enough, as a pedestrian, that we have had to submit to the social terrorism of cyclists using the footpath rather than the road (where they belong) - god forbid that we get a lot more of the same but motor powered :steam:
montesquieu
13-08-2018, 16:19
Amazing how anti-cyclist the mood seems. It almost makes me want to buy another bike, just to piss everybody off!
Mind you, I can be just as annoying on my motorbike.
Far from anti-cyclist, I have a push bike myself, but as Macca says it's the dressing up that's the giveaway .. the message to cyclists is the same as to idiot drivers: the public highway is not a racetrack and treating it as such should be punishable by law.
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 16:26
In reality, as road users, cyclists have very little impact on most folk's everyday life.
Take a drive round the M25 in a rainy rush hour and see if the antics of HGV artic drivers and of course white van man bother you less than cyclists do.
Cyclists are not allowed on the motorwayso that's not really an argument.
The problem is they are too slow, so they cause tailbacks and put drivers in a position where they need to cross the white line to overtake them.
I'd suggest that the pavements could be designated as cycle lanes between 0700 and 0900 and again between 1700 and 1800. So anyone cycling to and from work is not holding up traffic at the busiest time of the day and is also safe from being run over by that traffic. Obviously they should show due care to pedestrians, and the pedestrians would have to be more aware during those hours.
walpurgis
13-08-2018, 16:50
The problem is they are too slow, so they cause tailbacks and put drivers in a position where they need to cross the white line to overtake them
Try telling that to the old biddies that drive their mobility scooters along the roads. There are a few around here causing all sorts of problems.
montesquieu
13-08-2018, 16:56
In reality, as road users, cyclists have very little impact on most folk's everyday life.
Take a drive round the M25 in a rainy rush hour and see if the antics of HGV artic drivers and of course white van man bother you less than cyclists do.
Well out here in/on the edge of the countryside on summer evenings and and weekends the roads are chokka with gangs of would-be racers all working on their personal best and damned dangerous it is too.
I'd suggest that the pavements could be designated as cycle lanes between 0700 and 0900 and again between 1700 and 1800. So anyone cycling to and from work is not holding up traffic at the busiest time of the day and is also safe from being run over by that traffic. Obviously they should show due care to pedestrians, and the pedestrians would have to be more aware during those hours.
No mate, the pavements are already being used by motorists to park at least half of their car on, thus forcing people with prams and mobility scooters onto the roads!
No mate, the pavements are already being used by motorists to park at least half of their car on, thus forcing people with prams and mobility scooters onto the roads!
Don't get that round here. Not yet anyway. There are a lot of steep hills round here though and I've seen plenty of cyclists toiling up them with a long line of cars behind them. No way to overtake as there is a constant stream of traffic coming the other way. And the cyclist can't pull over to let them pass because the road to his left is lined with parked cars. Under my proposal he could have just legally ridden up the hill on the pavement and caused no bother.
Theres a lot of misconceptions re rules of cycling both by motorists and police. And cyclists
Don't get that round here. Not yet anyway.
Nor here.... The lack of parking spaces is symptomatic of life 'darn sarf'. I was watching a programme the other day, called 'Parking Wars', or some such, and some of the antics folk are forced to get up to, in southerly locations in the UK, simply trying to park their cars when going shopping, was both rather amusing and incredible/shocking...:eek:
One couple, from London, spent over an HOUR, going round and round, trying to find a parking place! They eventually found one, but I just don't know how anyone could be bothered. I'd have given up after 10 mins and taken the tube!!
Round here you can park pretty much where you want at any time of the day, and that sort of freedom is worth its weight in gold:)
Marco.
It can be tough here because there is no off road parking and there are resident's parking zones - which you have to pay an annual fee for but which don't guarantee you a parking space.
But as was pointed out in the article I linked to in the 'Paving Paradise' thread, if you allocated enough parking spaces so that people could park anywhere all the time, there would be no space left to put anything else. At least not in the UK and definitely not in London/South East.
The problem is that as usual nothing is ever thought through. Take the hospitals - they close all the old, small ones and build mega hospitals that serve the entire city. 10,000 staff, 15000 patients and 30,000 visitors, 90% of whom will get there by car, and they put in a rinky dink little car park with about 50 spaces.
Then you get the residents nearby complaining they can't park because of the hospital, or their driveways get blocked and so on. The hospital do the only thing they can think of which is to rack up the parking charges to discourage people from travelling there by car. That gets another round of complaints. And so on. All unintended consequences of screwing up a system that may have appeared inefficient but actually worked for everyone concerned. Thus making it far more efficient than the replacement.
Hear, hear... Thank fook I hardly even need to go near hospitals!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
13-08-2018, 20:04
Hear, hear... Thank fook I hardly even need to go near hospitals!
Marco.
Not now that we have 'care in the community'.
Drats, sussed!:lolsign:
Carer's coming round soon to tuck me in.
Marco.
Well screw cyclists, parking, slow town throughput, big car arseholes, wankers on motorbikes etc etc.
Get hip, get punk, and show those idiots what twats they are.
Ladies and gents, let me introduce you to the OneWheel, an absurd, insane, probably not too safe, super cool device.
This video is just wonderful, I think. Beautiful, even. Makes me want to go to Chicago.
Watch as much of this "Hooligan" as you can - it is great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6i-jHtCztU&t=1843s
You have fond memories of skate-boarding though. I just remember falling hard onto concrete a few times and thinking 'Screw this.'
Yup that's true I do have fond memories.
Looking at the WowGo Mini KT electric skateboard. Pretty sure I will buy one. I just still feel so secure on a skateboard even at 55 LOL. Like I never got off when messing around this weekend.
Mind you, I was good in my day. That's why.
this was my first mode of transport
https://blogs.glowscotland.org.uk/nl/TPSPrimary6/files/2011/03/IMG_5115.jpg
Here's my deck:)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180813/aeaf468a64e49ec29b319e0196e643ac.jpg
Pigmy Pony
13-08-2018, 21:01
this was my first mode of transport
https://blogs.glowscotland.org.uk/nl/TPSPrimary6/files/2011/03/IMG_5115.jpg
I had the stick. Could never afford the hoop though. :(
Pigmy Pony
13-08-2018, 21:11
That looks like fun! If you lived in Chicago that is.
I would like one of these, but I have to weigh up the pro's and cons:
For: Fast, fun, cheap transport. Also I have a pair of vans, so I'm part way there.
Against: No skateboard experience, and at 60 and self-employed I can't afford broken bones. Also not keen on thrash metal.
I suppose it would be satisfying to come across a herd of lycra louts on their Sunday run, whizz past to the front of them and slow down to 3mph slower than them while hogging most of the lane.
I suppose it would be satisfying to come across a herd of lycra louts on their Sunday run, whizz past to the front of them and slow down to 3mph slower than them while hogging most of the lane.
Now that made.me smile. Indeed!
The OneWheel is deceptive. I guarantee you you need to be fit to use it for any distance.
You also need to know how to fall well. You learn it pretty quickly as a skateboarder, especially half pipe and bowl riding. Generally on pavements and roads you very rarely come off, and if you do it isn't bad you just demount onto yer feet 95% of the time.
If you are trying silly street Ollie based tricks you come off a lot, but just plain riding around - no.
But the OneWheel really moves. Need to be careful on that mofo.
I saw a unicycle at a car boot sale last weekend and was very tempted till I realised there was nowhere to fit my rubber bulb honky-horn. It is a magnificent accessory, a toot in the High Street stops everyone in their tracks and I can clear a crowd on the pavement from 50 yards. Reactions are interesting, ladies usually give me a smile and a laugh as I pass but blokes generally scowl or glare malevolently, I can't help it if the ladies like my cute little horn can I now!
Minstrel SE
14-08-2018, 08:22
Yeah just off the top of my head it seem that they have got something against electric propulsion on bicycles and segways like its all geared up to protecting and charging for petrol driven vehicles. Nice little earner on road tax and petrol etc
I should be able to rig up any motor on my bicycle and zoom along. Its actually the car that needs restricting and they want to free up some proper areas for people to innovate with transport methods.
Cant do this cant do that when it seems to make perfect sense to have all sorts of personal transport methods to suit
Yeah just off the top of my head it seem that they have got something against electric propulsion on bicycles and segways like its all geared up to protecting and charging for petrol driven vehicles. Nice little earner on road tax and petrol etc
I should be able to rig up any motor on my bicycle and zoom along. Its actually the car that needs restricting and they want to free up some proper areas for people to innovate with transport methods.
Cant do this cant do that when it seems to make perfect sense to have all sorts of personal transport methods to suitTop post Minstrel.
Primalsea
14-08-2018, 15:22
And the much coveted road classic will no longer be the E-Type Jag but the Sinclair C5!
And the much coveted road classic will no longer be the E-Type Jag but the Sinclair C5!Funny that my next door neighbour bought one a few weeks ago. Spent about an hour with him talking about it. It was bust but he has now fixed it.
Retro cool.
You'd be surprised how much a decent one is worth.
walpurgis
14-08-2018, 16:35
The most useful classics are the Land Rover and Honda Cub! (Morris Minor ain't bad either)
The most useful classics are the Land Rover and Honda Cub! (Morris Minor ain't bad either)Mistaken.
If it has more than two seats, isn't really quick, doesn't handle well, and you can't flip the lid off it, it almost definitely sucks.
walpurgis
14-08-2018, 23:15
Ah, but I no longer seek juvenile thrills :).
Usability, simplicity, reliability, ease of maintenance and even economy appeal to me these days. Not interested in 'going fast' anymore. I do not fancy getting busted (yet) again for speeding, so I take it easy now, even though I was one of the worst offenders for burning rubber.
Minstrel SE
15-08-2018, 03:40
And the much coveted road classic will no longer be the E-Type Jag but the Sinclair C5!
The C5 was generally ill conceived. There was a basis of a good idea but it was way ahead of its time and far too small to be safe anywhere near Britains roads. Thats why its just an owners club novelty now
I dont really know the answer and much of Britains road network is designed to handle pre 1950s levels of vehicle users.
We dont really have big open boulevard pavements and you cant travel in style if constantly kerb hopping.
Something along the lines of mobility scooters amd electric bicycles but I still dont see them fitting in with crowded roads
Theres a woman round here that bombs down the road on a mobilty scooter with a dog on a lead running beside her. I feel like calling the RSPCA because it just looks dangerous and the poor dog has to run along at a hell of a pace
Those concerned about the fact that cyclists don't pay vehicle excise duty might perhaps be reassured to read that they benefit the UK's bottom line in other ways?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-will-save-billions-if-more-cycle-to-work-n8xdv2twddw
(Nb. We pay no VED on our little VW up!, which was partly why we bought it. Sometimes taxes are there purely to raise revenue, sometimes they are also an attempt to influence behavior.)
I always quite fancied a hovercraft
willbewill
16-08-2018, 06:29
Those concerned about the fact that cyclists don't pay vehicle excise duty might perhaps be reassured to read that they benefit the UK's bottom line in other ways?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-will-save-billions-if-more-cycle-to-work-n8xdv2twddw
(Nb. We pay no VED on our little VW up!, which was partly why we bought it. Sometimes taxes are there purely to raise revenue, sometimes they are also an attempt to influence behavior.)
Definitely an attempt to influence behaviour, my VED is £555 and if the same vehicle was available to by now it would be over £2k!
Pigmy Pony
16-08-2018, 06:29
Obviously 'Road Tax' doesn't actually go on the upkeep of the roads. It drops into a giant black hole at the Treasury along with VAT, income tax etc and then a tiny portion of it then goes on the roads. Probably not nearly as much as on MP's and the things that matter to them.
Those concerned about the fact that cyclists don't pay vehicle excise duty might perhaps be reassured to read that they benefit the UK's bottom line in other ways?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-will-save-billions-if-more-cycle-to-work-n8xdv2twddw
(Nb. We pay no VED on our little VW up!, which was partly why we bought it. Sometimes taxes are there purely to raise revenue, sometimes they are also an attempt to influence behavior.)
I can't read the whole article but I'm assuming in reaching that figure they are deducting the lost revenue from fuel, tobacco and alcohol and the cost of patching up all the cyclists who get squashed by buses and lorries?
Minstrel SE
16-08-2018, 08:58
The car makes no sense for certain short journeys and thats what needs to be tackled. We cant have exponential population growth and expect everyone to park a car on the street
Its just a nonsense and the wisdom is realising that it doesnt set us free. Just one breakdown will cause bottlenecks for miles.
The truth is that it is a ridiculous form of transport for inner city areas and the direct suburbs. Even in the 1980s If I wanted to be in the city centre for 9am I had to leave home at around 7am to ensure that I would be in work an hour early rather than late
Thats the issue but cyclists still get sneers from lazy car owners who think they have the right to drive at peak periods clogging everything up. It shouldnt be a right to lazily get in a car at 8.30am with no planning and join the jams. Many of them are doing 1 mile school runs which should be catered for by public transport bus lanes bicycles and skateboards :)
I strongly believe in a very high congestion charge which deters people from using cars. The car has had its day in that sense but the blind transport policy continues to pile them onto the roads. You wanna use your car in congested areas...you pay heavily for it!
I dont think its a right to commute in a car and a case should be made for whether your car is necessary or just part of the problem
walpurgis
16-08-2018, 09:32
The car makes no sense for certain short journeys and thats what needs to be tackled. We cant have exponential population growth and expect everyone to park a car on the street
You fell just short of hitting the nail on the head there. It's not the car that's the problem, it's the population size. There are 30 million too many people in Britain!
The population of this country was shrinking steadily until some idiots decided to open the immigration floodgates.
The population of this country was shrinking steadily until some idiots decided to open the immigration floodgates.:eek::eek:we haaaave a winner!:eek::eek:
http://youtu.be/eusOPQotliw
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[emoji23][emoji471] we haaaave a winner! [emoji23][emoji471]
http://youtu.be/eusOPQotliw
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I didn't watch it because I can't abide the prick. You'll have to give me the gist.
Actually on second thoughts, don't bother.
I didn't watch it because I can't abide the prick.
I don't think you are his target audience.
I don't think you are his target audience.
No, I suspect I am his target though. Best of luck to him, he'll need it.
Best of luck to him, he'll need it.
I think he'll manage.
I didn't watch it because I can't abide the prick.
Interesting... Why? I think he's pretty funny overall, albeit in parts annoyingly supercilious.
Marco.
Interesting... Why? I think he's pretty funny overall, albeit in parts annoyingly supercilious.
Marco.
I thought it funny to start - but he overdid the joke to the point of absurdity and thereby spoiling it.
Yeah, I've watched other examples of his material, which I've found funnier.
Marco.
annoyingly supercilious.
.
You got it in one.
I thought it funny to start - but he overdid the joke to the point of absurdity and thereby spoiling it.
That's pretty much Lee's modus operandi - he'll launch a joke, throttle it, fillet out the bones, squeeze any remaning bodily juices out of it and then drag the tired shreds of carcass down a bumpy lane tied to the back of his knackered BMX.
Got to love him for it .....
Pigmy Pony
16-08-2018, 20:25
It's the overdoing it that I find funny, but I've no idea why. Maybe my sense of humour is a bit strange, certainly Mrs P thinks so.
I only linked to the Stewart Lee clip because Macca played the "this country has been ruined by immigrants" card.
We seem to be getting distracted by whether or not Lee, with his more than two decades of critical and commercial success as a comedian, actually knows what he is doing.
The point was to draw attention to how a conversation about traffic was so casually turned into a Daily Mail type narrative that somehow manages to always blame immigration for the ills of society.
https://youtu.be/wOb2KQHr7V0
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Ali Tait
17-08-2018, 06:42
Saw this earlier, could make electric cars viable-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45179722
I only linked to the Stewart Lee clip because Macca played the "this country has been ruined by immigrants" card.
You should spend more time on reading comprehension than comedy because I said no such thing, as anyone with a basic command of written English can see.
walpurgis
17-08-2018, 07:15
I only linked to the Stewart Lee clip because Macca played the "this country has been ruined by immigrants" card.
Of course, it would be wrong to suggest the housing crisis, appalling crime rates, sliding standards, depressed wages, overcrowding and excess demand on services are in any way connected to this.
You should spend more time on reading comprehension than comedy because I said no such thing, as anyone with a basic command of written English can see."Anyone with a basic command of written English" would understand that the word "floodgates" had negative connotations, surely? Please do accept my apologies if you feel that my interpretation of your comment was unfair. I'd be interested to see anything that could back up your claim that the UK population was at any point falling though, because I have never heard that said before.
Geoff - exactly. Although I'm sending you might be attempting sarcasm? I'm.going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing that you don't think that Stewart Lee is very funny? :D
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Oi, Robert and Macca, chuck it, please. You guys have got a history of niggling at each other, especially when discussions turn political, which the last few posts have started turning this one into, and which ends here NOW, ta! :cool:
Marco.
I'll let that last post stand, Robert, as it was posted at the same time as my warning, but NO MORE, and that includes any response from you, Martin. Any further niggling posts about immigration, and such like, will be removed without further warning.
Remember the vote we carried out recently about whether political discussion should be allowed, and what the punishment was for those who abused it.....
Let's get back to the thread topic!
Marco.
Oi, Robert and Macca, chuck it, please. You guys have got a history of niggling at each other, especially when discussions turn political, which the last few posts have started turning this one into, and which ends here NOW, ta! :cool:
Marco.I'm very happy with that, Marco.
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Any further niggling posts about immigration, and such like, will be removed without further warning.
*Let's get back to the thread topic!*
Given I've just had to delete more off-topic posts since my above warning, I've posted the warning again, to let the message sink in. The next person who ignores this will be out for a week.
Marco.
Saw this earlier, could make electric cars viable-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45179722Now that's interesting.
The switch away from fossil fuels has started, but that might just speed it up.
Thanks for posting the link.
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walpurgis
17-08-2018, 08:24
I guess they could try mounting wind turbines on car roofs. That could work. :)
I guess they could try mounting wind turbines on car roofs. That could work. :)The faster you drive, the more charge you could build up!
That's not a bad idea.
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Saw this earlier, could make electric cars viable-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45179722So what happens to the spent fuel then?
Pigmy Pony
17-08-2018, 19:31
So what happens to the spent fuel then?
We will sell it to the Chinese, who will then mix it with powdered panda teeth to make an aphrodisiac. Pandas are bad for the environment anyway, with all that farting. Thankyou China, for helping save the planet, and your efforts to reduce the pollution of our oceans by whale shit are greatly appreciated.
Pigmy Pony
17-08-2018, 19:46
When driving through northern France (which has A LOT of wind turbines) a couple of years ago, Mrs P asked what happens when there is no wind.
"They have a battery inside that keeps them spinning".
"Well some of them aren't spinning at all".
"Obviously their batteries are flat, but they'll recharge when the wind comes back".
Can't believe I got away with that one. But while I felt like a smarty-pants at the time, for all I know the above is correct! I may possess more technical knowledge than Anita, but the difference is marginal.
When driving through northern France (which has A LOT of wind turbines) a couple of years ago, Mrs P asked what happens when there is no wind.
...so you promptly blew off a shtinky CABBAGE PHUT, and created all the necessary "wind" needed?:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
17-08-2018, 20:02
...so you promptly blew off a shtinky CABBAGE PHUT, and created all the necessary "wind" needed?:D
Marco.
As far as my 'tradesmens entrance' goes, she already knows the answer - THERE IS ALWAYS WIND. :D
Pigmy Pony
17-08-2018, 20:06
Especially when my guts are loaded up with flans patissiere - I can't pass a patisserie without buying one :)
I've 'passed' a few interesting 'patisseries' today, some were even slightly croissant-shaped, although somewhat browner....:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
17-08-2018, 20:39
Clearly you'd been baking them for too long.
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it. Electric scooters are coming... well at least in France. Uber stylee.
Uber 'to focus on bikes over cars' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45317025
walpurgis
27-08-2018, 08:14
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it. Electric scooters are coming... well at least in France. Uber stylee.
Uber 'to focus on bikes over cars' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45317025
It's about money of course. A scooter maybe costs a twentieth of the price of a car. Bet it won't be a twentieth of the comparative cost per mile and there's no driver to employ or pay.
For Uber yes. For the politicians they just want to solve the congestion issues I suspect. Or I am giving them too much credit?
I ordered a Xiaomi M365 yesterday from AliExpress. The EU version. Oddly it cost £365. Made me smile.
walpurgis
27-08-2018, 09:31
I ordered a Xiaomi M365 yesterday from AliExpress. The EU version. Oddly it cost £365. Made me smile.
Is it road legal?
Is it road legal?In all honesty nothing is apart from one machine as I highlighted earlier. People are on them in London, and the general vibe is the Police do nothing apart from show interest, if anything.
https://youtu.be/Tk6D1UUfTZ0
walpurgis
27-08-2018, 09:54
Hmm. Running into a pedestrian and injuring them, on an uninsured and illegal vehicle could have 'interesting' consequences.
The enforcing law was written in 1835. It's on about horse and carts etc on the pavement.
Hmm. Running into a pedestrian and injuring them, on an uninsured and illegal vehicle could have 'interesting' consequences.Agreed. Have to be careful. Very careful.
Where I will ride it will be pretty god damn safe.
Pigmy Pony
27-08-2018, 15:12
Cyclists seem to get away with no insurance, so personally I'd chance it. But My working day typically covers 30 to 50 miles per day, plus I don't know where I'd put my ladders and power tools.
I suppose I could get one to play with, but it would probably end up in a corner with my camping gear, air rifles, archery and fishing tackle. :(
spendorman
27-08-2018, 16:37
Not sure if this one has been mentioned already in this thread:
https://youtu.be/CUPHuHV4jak
People have to accept transport is a risk, no matter what.
Personally I reckon this is safer than a push bike. Easier to ride, not so far to fall, won't go as fast, easier to dismount in danger.
I also think it is safer than an electric skateboard as the wheels are larger sand not so susceptible to pot holes. It is also less likely to take a solo trip out into the road as it has handle bars. And again it won't go as fast.
Soon get a wind up car like the radios
Soon get a wind up car like the radiosSurely that's a wind up:D
Pigmy Pony
28-08-2018, 06:46
Soon get a wind up car like the radios
My dad had a wind up car in the sixties, I think it was an Austin A40 or something. He only had to wind it two or three times and it would go for miles.
Pigmy Pony
28-08-2018, 06:49
People have to accept transport is a risk, no matter what.
Personally I reckon this is safer than a push bike. Easier to ride, not so far to fall, won't go as fast, easier to dismount in danger.
I also think it is safer than an electric skateboard as the wheels are larger sand not so susceptible to pot holes. It is also less likely to take a solo trip out into the road as it has handle bars. And again it won't go as fast.
I agree 100%, and I'm sure they will become fully legal, just as soon as the government has worked out how it can make money from them.
walpurgis
28-08-2018, 07:21
My dad had a wind up car in the sixties, I think it was an Austin A40 or something. He only had to wind it two or three times and it would go for miles.
Great classic car choice the A40, better than the mechanically similar Morris Minor alternative. I'd like a good one.
Minstrel SE
30-08-2018, 00:57
You see its all fundamentally wrong and even on this thread people are talking about fitting in with the car on the roads. The car should be regulated and many routes should be wide promenade style pavements where electric scooters, bicycles mobility scooters etc could be used.
It should not be a right to own a car for short trips. Starting with inner city routes we need a culture and roadside survey of where are you travelling to...yes a roadside check leading to fines and heavy congestion charges. The car should be banned in certain areas and public transport improved. A small lane for motor vehicles and deliveries.....all the rest should be paved over for sensible personal use
I want to see people using personal transport with the promotion of cycling and other methods. There is room for all if we are sensible about it
Pedestrians come last if they are silly enough to walk it...just run them over and shovel them onto council wagons....only joking :D.
We are all in conflict for the space available so it needs a massive spend on road planning....cant see that happening anytime soon and the petrol lobby wont like it
Pigmy Pony
30-08-2018, 06:21
It's when you look at the finer details of how to implement these changes that you see just what a massive undertaking this would be.
For example: A good starting point would be addressing a pet peeve of mine - the banning of private vehicles transporting kids to school, the old 'school run'. This alone would greatly reduce congestion during rush hour periods. But the issue of discipline also needs addressing.
A few years ago when Anita (Mrs. Pony) worked for Stagecoach, she often drew the short straw and got the school bus service. The transporting of these precious little bundles was a total nightmare, due to the behaviour of the kids - they would climb over everything, do their best to break off fittings, ring the bell constantly for no reason, throw things from the bus, while kids outside would throw things AT the bus. They often opened the emergency exit doors too, to let their mates sneak on. Sometimes they would flatly refuse to pay their fare and would challenge the driver to do something about it. Of course the driver couldn't - the kid wasn't going to leave voluntarily and to try to physically remove them constituted assault.
What I'm trying to say is that a policy to reduce congestion in town/city centres need to be planned very carefully and wider implications thought through as well. So often it seems that initiatives fail because they've been no more than a 'knee jerk' reaction and create more problems than they solve.
Good post, Steve. I concur entirely! As for this:
The transporting of these precious little bundles was a total nightmare, due to the behaviour of the kids - they would climb over everything, do their best to break off fittings, ring the bell constantly for no reason, throw things from the bus, while kids outside would throw things AT the bus. They often opened the emergency exit doors too, to let their mates sneak on. Sometimes they would flatly refuse to pay their fare and would challenge the driver to do something about it. Of course the driver couldn't - the kid wasn't going to leave voluntarily and to try to physically remove them constituted assault.
Clearly, those are just ignorant, spoiled brats, who've been brought up with no manners, and also no respect for public property. No-one's kids I know would behave like that, as they'd know better.
And if I'd done that when I was at school, it'd have been reported to the headmaster, which would've resulted in the belt or possible suspension - then once my dad subsequently found out, as the headmaster would've informed him, I'd get another belt/thick ear from him (probably harder, too), particularly as he'd have been made to pay the damage, and I'd never have dared do it again!
There's no discipline with kids these days, either at home or in school, and too much mollycoddling/pandering to their ever-growing more ridiculous whims - and *that* is one the biggest problems... As for 'school runs', they should only be allowed if kids live a certain distance from their school. If they're close enough to walk, then they should get off their fat backsides and do so.
It might go some way to helping tackle the current obesity epidemic!!
Marco.
Is there really an 'obesity epidemic' or is it just more nanny state bollocks? They'll make up anything to try and get more control over people's lives. Who cares if someone is fat? It's entirely their business, and if they want their children looking like pudgy little chipmunks then that's their own business too.
Although there is a primary school round the corner from me and I've never seen any fat children on the way to and from it. In my day every class had to have a fat kid, it was the law back then.
Have you ever been to Amsterdam? Pedestrians do NOT have right of way.
Seems to work.
You learn fast as a pedestrian. :P
Is there really an 'obesity epidemic' or is it just more nanny state bollocks? They'll make up anything to try and get more control over people's lives. Who cares if someone is fat? It's entirely their business, and if they want their children looking like pudgy little chipmunks then that's their own business too.
Although there is a primary school round the corner from me and I've never seen any fat children on the way to and from it. In my day every class had to have a fat kid, it was the law back then.
Well, Stoke must be 'slim city' then, lol! There are plenty of fat kids (and adults) around here - and in many other places I've been to recently, around the country. People these days, in general, are fatter than ever, not just kids, due to a number of factors. It's not imagined or made up, with plenty of real statistics to confirm it. Just speak to any GP.
That aside, more kids today should be taught manners and respect, and how to behave properly in public, as there's no excuse whatsoever for the behaviour Steve described. That shit simply didn't happen in school buses in my day (which I used every day) - and if it had, it'd have been quickly stamped out.
No wonder we're breeding a nation of disrespectful, self-obsessed arseholes. You can see the evidence in the adults!
Marco.
walpurgis
31-08-2018, 07:59
Is there really an 'obesity epidemic'
Yes.
London is getting like the states. Chubby kids everywhere, with obese parents to match.
Not everybody is fat of course, but it is definitely on the up. Wander around any Tesco here on a Saturday and you'll see.
No-one moves enough these days (folk generally lead much more sedentary lives than they once did, especially kids), and combined with a diet of junk food, the inevitable happens! It's a simple enough equation.
Not just chubby, Geoff, but often grossly obese. There's plenty of time to be fat when you're middle-aged, but as a kid, there's really no excuse, as you should be active enough at that age to avoid it.
Marco.
in big cities its more likely to happen. less playing outside etc and too many edible distractions. plenty other reasons too. I guess around here there are more chubby kids than there were in my day, but not an epidemic. Young adults tho, thats getting more like one.in the 20 to 40 group its commonplace to be fatter than the norm, to point its become the norm...especially in females
....with a propensity to wear the tightest-fitting leggings possible!:D:doh:
I agree with what you're saying about age groups. However, for me, unless there are valid health reasons, then pretty much from as soon as you're walking, until the end of your teens, minimum, you shouldn't be fat, as you should be active enough to avoid it. I used to eat crisps, sweets and drank fizzy pop all the time (as you know my dad had a chippy), but was as thin as a rake.
In both my primary and secondary schools, fat kids were in the extreme minority, but in recent times that situation has clearly changed. There are also parks in most towns and cities. When I was growing up in the south side of Glasgow, I was never away from them, playing football and all sorts (I was never in), so I don't buy the notion that city kids can't exercise.
They're too bloody glued to their phones and games consoles now, that's the problem!
Marco.
....with a propensity to wear the tightest-fitting leggings possible!:D:doh:
I agree with what you're saying about age groups. However, for me, unless there are valid health reasons, then pretty much from as soon as you're walking, until the end of your teens, minimum, you shouldn't be fat, as you should be active enough to avoid it. I used to eat crisps and sweets all the time (as you know my dad had a chippy), but was as thin as a rake.
In both my primary and secondary schools, fat kids were in the extreme minority, but in recent times that situation has clearly changed. There are also parks in most towns and cities. When I was a kid, growing up in the south side of Glasgow, I was never away from them playing football and all sorts (I was never in), so I don't buy the notion that city kids can't exercise.
Marco.
Cities are more dangerous places for kids now tbh. Its the parents, that are either sedentary themselves or too busy working to take the kids out to play footie etc. my grandkids are out playing a lot but their parents take them out all the time to play football or swimming to glasgow and edinburgh etc. its them that are never in... poor souls are worn out with it but feel its their duty to support the kids and give them the bet chance, instead of just abandoning them to their own devices.
as for the leggings... very true... its almost hypnotic watching all the jiggling:D
No-one's answered the question as to why it matters. Even if there was an 'obesity epidemic', so what?
Yes there are plenty of overweight adults round here. Round everywhere in fact but again, so what?
I'm not fat - quite the opposite in fact, even though one of the girls at work calculated my calorie intake and it seems to average between 3000 and 5000 per day depending on whether I drink booze that day or not. Just lucky with the genes or something. But if I was fat then that's up to me. I pay doctors their wages to fix me if I'm broken not to lecture me about what I should and shouldn't be doing and certainly not to pass laws to stop me, or tax me if they don't like what I'm doing (God forbid it should make some work for them).
Of course it isn't about that, it's all about them feeling self important and righteous by telling the ignorant plebs how to live their lives. They need to shut up and get on with the job they're actually paid for.
No-one's answered the question as to why it matters. Even if there was an 'obesity epidemic', so what?
Yes there are plenty of overweight adults round here. Round everywhere in fact but again, so what?
I'm not fat - quite the opposite in fact, even though one of the girls at work calculated my calorie intake and it seems to average between 3000 and 5000 per day depending on whether I drink booze that day or not. Just lucky with the genes or something. But if I was fat then that's up to me. I pay doctors their wages to fix me if I'm broken not to lecture me about what I should and shouldn't be doing and certainly not to pass laws to stop me, or tax me if they don't like what I'm doing (God forbid it should make some work for them).
Of course it isn't about that, it's all about them feeling self important and righteous by telling the ignorant plebs how to live their lives. They need to shut up and get on with the job they're actually paid for.
think its more about trying to instill a healthier lifestyle, and sometimes this is the way. not that i agree with much of it, but many folk need educated before the country grinds to a blobby stop
walpurgis
31-08-2018, 12:39
No-one's answered the question as to why it matters.
Well it matters to me. I find fat women repulsive and the older they get the worse they look. Peel the clothes of a forty year old porker and see. All sagging, shapeless, creased flab and cellulite. Yuk!
Is that sexist? Prejudiced? Biased? Maybe, but I can't help what I think.
, but many folk need educated
That's the problem in a nutshell. No they don't! Even the dumbest person in the word knows that being overweight, doing no exercise, smoking, drinking and so on are bad for you. They do it anyway! Not because they don't know any better but because they want to.
Maybe they die young, maybe they live until they are ninety, it doesn't matter. It's their choice. It's not something the government should be involved in at all.
nonuffin
31-08-2018, 14:17
No-one's answered the question as to why it matters. Even if there was an 'obesity epidemic', so what?
Yes there are plenty of overweight adults round here. Round everywhere in fact but again, so what?
I'm not fat - quite the opposite in fact, even though one of the girls at work calculated my calorie intake and it seems to average between 3000 and 5000 per day depending on whether I drink booze that day or not. Just lucky with the genes or something. But if I was fat then that's up to me. I pay doctors their wages to fix me if I'm broken not to lecture me about what I should and shouldn't be doing and certainly not to pass laws to stop me, or tax me if they don't like what I'm doing (God forbid it should make some work for them).
Of course it isn't about that, it's all about them feeling self important and righteous by telling the ignorant plebs how to live their lives. They need to shut up and get on with the job they're actually paid for.
Every time I go to the docs I get a bloody lecture on smoking. They offer me all sorts of "cures" that I have tried already but failed and maybe it's because I don't want to stop smoking that they haven't worked. "Give me one good reason why you smoke" was the last assault I got and my answer shut him up instantly, as I said "It's the one and only friend I have that hasn't let me down". Rather than nag me about quitting they should be pleased that I still am smoking because the fag tax diminishing I reckon is part of the reason why the NHS is short of money. If I die young the government should be whooping with joy at all the pension they are not going to shell out to me. Hypocrical pricks the lot of them.
Don't get me started on doctors, they are doing my head in at the moment. I am diabetic and it's bad enough being put through the mill once a year with the annual review, but these knobs sent me a demand for a snap review 3 months ago without any warning. I was overseas when the letter came and because I didn't attend their review they decided to stop my insulin prescription, so when I tried to order it when I had run out I had to see the doctor to get it reinstated. First appointment I could get was a week away so I had no insulin for 4 days. Thanks. Luckily the worst that happened was I got a bad dose of thrush (a common symptom of diabetes) and we had strong words over stopping my prescription, so the doctor only prescribed an anti-fungal tablet that worked for 24 hours. I ordered another one 3 weeks later with the same result, so I ordered 2 online which was refused, so I still have the thrush and need to wait another 10 days to see the doctor. On top of that each prescription needs 3 clear days before collection so it's a good job I don't have anything life threatening to contend with, at least diabetes doesn't appear to be so.
I had another episode with them and the local hospital which had sweet FA to do with any NHS "funding crisis" which is a great way to obfuscate "sheer fucking stupidity".
And relax . . . . . .
Every time I go to the docs I get a bloody lecture on smoking. They offer me all sorts of "cures" that I have tried already but failed and maybe it's because I don't want to stop smoking that they haven't worked. "Give me one good reason why you smoke" was the last assault I got and my answer shut him up instantly, as I said "It's the one and only friend I have that hasn't let me down". Rather than nag me about quitting they should be pleased that I still am smoking because the fag tax diminishing I reckon is part of the reason why the NHS is short of money. If I die young the government should be whooping with joy at all the pension they are not going to shell out to me. Hypocrical pricks the lot of them.
Don't get me started on doctors, they are doing my head in at the moment. I am diabetic and it's bad enough being put through the mill once a year with the annual review, but these knobs sent me a demand for a snap review 3 months ago without any warning. I was overseas when the letter came and because I didn't attend their review they decided to stop my insulin prescription, so when I tried to order it when I had run out I had to see the doctor to get it reinstated. First appointment I could get was a week away so I had no insulin for 4 days. Thanks. Luckily the worst that happened was I got a bad dose of thrush (a common symptom of diabetes) and we had strong words over stopping my prescription, so the doctor only prescribed an anti-fungal tablet that worked for 24 hours. I ordered another one 3 weeks later with the same result, so I ordered 2 online which was refused, so I still have the thrush and need to wait another 10 days to see the doctor. On top of that each prescription needs 3 clear days before collection so it's a good job I don't have anything life threatening to contend with, at least diabetes doesn't appear to be so.
I had another episode with them and the local hospital which had sweet FA to do with any NHS "funding crisis" which is a great way to obfuscate "sheer fucking stupidity".
And relax . . . . . .
I know... it takes a week for a prescription to come here now. Cant get a home visit if im not well enough to go out so i just have to suffer,(and presumably die if possible):rolleyes: cant get any help either as govt have rigged the system.
Pigmy Pony
31-08-2018, 16:41
Martin's "so what?" take on the "obesity epidemic" made me think, and I've decided I agree entirely. Obese adults aren't like that through ignorance, they know it's bad for them, and they are probably just the next excuse to be wheeled out to justify the "NHS crisis". It's the doctors I can't abide, with their normal shape and apparent good health. Smug bastards!
Just so long as the fatties leave enough food for the rest of us, I'm happy. As my brother would often say about chunky folk: You'd rather keep him for a week than a fortnight.
Pigmy Pony
31-08-2018, 16:43
By the way, great thread about electric vehicles!
Had a ride in Prius today, first time I've been in an all-electric vehicle unless you count a low-loader.
Impressively smooth and quiet but so quiet that if you go over a rough bit of road you can hear the thing rattles like tin of dried peas rolling down a washboard. For a Toyata the interior build quality is awful.
walpurgis
31-08-2018, 16:48
The Prius is a hybrid. Not all electric.
It's about as exciting as it's inspiration. The milk float.
Oh I thought it was all electric. I couldn't hear any engine cutting in at any point.
Anyway the rattling reminded me of my one and only trip in an FSO Pollenez (a journey that ended up with us crashing into a brick wall) and that's not good.
Actually one good thing about the Prius was that when you slow down to a stop it makes the same noise as when Ben Kenobi shuts down the tractor beam on the Death Star. I liked that.
This thing is excellent arrived sooner than expected. Just been out for a long time on it it is good off road in the local woods by the coast.
Action shots LOL shame the weather wasn't nicer.
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Can't be arsed to rotate the pics.
No one reacted adversely to it. No one. Zero. Zilsch.
Up to date stats...:D
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And in imperial...:)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180901/abe77c271dda44949decbace396281e6.jpg
There are a lot of hills around here on flat ground this would be way more. Have set battery regenerator to max now.
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at least the cells are all pretty well matched.... a good sign:)
If they don't stay that way at least you know which one is causing the issue.
I think the rear disc brake cable needs adjusting so I'll do that before the next trip.
The chances of falling off it are really low I think. Feel sound as a pound on it.
Pigmy Pony
01-09-2018, 16:19
And in imperial...:)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180901/abe77c271dda44949decbace396281e6.jpg
There are a lot of hills around here on flat ground this would be way more. Have set battery regenerator to max now.
Yes I noticed on pics 1 and 2 some pretty steep gradients :)
So it looks like you could do a commute of about 8 miles each way if using for work? That's pretty useful. I wonder how many miles you would have to do for the estimated fuel savings to cover the outlay? I bet you've thought about it!
Charging scooters... good money.
https://youtu.be/W4CpjP8U6Z4
Scooter litter problem.
https://youtu.be/YsWXQxJhfOE
Had to post this.
There are scooters. And scooters.
https://youtu.be/MxPtfCD-4Qs
suicidalNearly dies at the end.
That scooter does look stable at high speed though to be fair.
walpurgis
08-12-2018, 10:33
There are scooters. And scooters.
Very true. My petrol scooter is way quicker. :D
Goes faster than my car in electric mode. I didn't watch the end just about half way
Very true. My petrol scooter is way quicker. :DBut is it really any safer?
Hunting in packs.
https://youtu.be/qI554mvlTHM
walpurgis
08-12-2018, 10:54
But is it really any safer?
With full sized wheels, proper brakes and suspension and decent handling one would think so.
With full sized wheels, proper brakes and suspension and decent handling one would think so.These guys have hydraulic disk brakes and full suspension plus two wheel drive. The wheels bit is probably valid.
They should be decked out in full leather, though.
got my electric vehicle all set up now and the hoist to take it in and out set up.. magic....the guy did it in an hr. just have to remove seat and then connect up........:D
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CareCo-Zoom-Travel-Mobility-Scooter/dp/B01BWXLN54/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_9?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KR1DNJM57VHBESBJNABM one of these.. weighs in at 43kg
Pigmy Pony
12-12-2018, 15:17
Does your Toyota have a charging point so the scooter can be charged while in the car? That could be quite handy.
Does your Toyota have a charging point so the scooter can be charged while in the car? That could be quite handy.
no it doesnt. but battery comes out easily to be charged in house. will likely do it once a week. its a bit tight getting it in and out as hoist needs to be nearly touching the top lip of boot opening.. already hit it once :doh: need a bit of chalk or something similar.. for marking my spot for putting it back in lol.
Pigmy Pony
12-12-2018, 16:22
Well that's ok then, sounds like you're all sorted. Me and Mrs. P are away up to Scotland on Friday, but we're up the west coast so we won't be getting in your way :D
enjoy it, but it will likely be cold...yup im in central belt, so not touristy....only 30 mins from either Glasgow, Stirling or Edinburgh, so its quite a good place to live, and countryside on my doorstep
Pigmy Pony
12-12-2018, 16:42
Well my friends are in Annbank, which is about 5 miles from Ayr - I think most of the houses there were provided for coal miners, so definitely not touristy! Nice view of Arran from his back garden though.
ah, on the river ayr.. nice spot
Pigmy Pony
12-12-2018, 17:26
I suppose 'Electric Brae' could be touristy - one of those strange roads where you park up, then when you release the handbrake you seem to roll uphill...
I suppose 'Electric Brae' could be touristy - one of those strange roads where you park up, then when you release the handbrake you seem to roll uphill...
yup, the ground is at opposite angle to road... its not much but enough and can be offputting initially:lol:
Took my scooter out last weekend in the cold. I reckon I lost about 30% of the usual range purely due to cold batteries.
Anyway congrats Grant hope that it makes life easier.
Anyway congrats Grant hope that it makes life easier.
cheers... managed to extract battery without having to hoist the thing out of boot.. thankfully as putting it back in without might have been an issue balance wise. The hoist is set to keep level with it in and its a heavy unit.
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On charge. Not weighed it but reckon it's about 12kg or more
https://youtu.be/vtfP_GvnvX4
The prolific use of electric vehicles in San Francisco shows how behind the times we are.
As this video shows.
Sometimes it's better to be behind the times;)
Marco.
https://youtu.be/vtfP_GvnvX4
The prolific use of electric vehicles in San Francisco shows how behind the times we are.
As this video shows.
They got the weather for it though,
They got the weather for it though,We had it this year.
Sometimes it's better to be behind the times;)
Marco.Look up Rion scooters. Buy one of those and a massive dose of adrenaline the like of which you have never known your Brabster be able to provide will flush through your veins.
I did it for you. Simply remove the limiter and you can go over 100mph. On a scooter.
It will shitey pop poop all over the Brabster in certain speed ranges.
https://www.rionmotors.com/rion2re90-racing
mad-moon
18-11-2020, 23:10
my pals friend has an all electric car. It does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds and has a top speed of 162miles per hour
WullieD20
18-11-2020, 23:16
Theres a woman round here that bombs down the road on a mobilty scooter with a dog on a lead running beside her. I feel like calling the RSPCA because it just looks dangerous and the poor dog has to run along at a hell of a pace
Just catching up with this thread.
Reminds me of a pal, who - when licences were a small red booklet, a bit like a wee passport - had an endorsement inserted that read: "For exceeding the speed limit on a motorcycle whilst towing a horse!....
Couldn't help but laugh!!!
I did it for you. Simply remove the limiter and you can go over 100mph. On a scooter.
It will shitey pop poop all over the Brabster in certain speed ranges.
https://www.rionmotors.com/rion2re90-racing
Lol - thanks for the thought, but we don't really get good enough weather in the UK for scooters, and these days I like my creature comforts - so defo four wheels and a roof!;)
Marco.
Roofs are overrated, unless you are scared that the toupee will blow off in a convertible? :eyebrows:
maybe in bristol. .bro had a convertible for years but the opportunity to enjoy it to its full were few tbh.
with the banning of petrol/deisel being brought forward to 9 years from now(a stupid idea) maybe the cost of buying new ones will come down soon. Electrics are just too damn expensive. The benefits to climate is not very high in doing this as far as i can see, although it will help urban pollution.
Lol - thanks for the thought, but we don't really get good enough weather in the UK for scooters, and these days I like my creature comforts - so defo four wheels and a roof!;)
Marco.Was just making a point. Not many realise such performance is available.
My sister just got her Porsche Taycan. She's bringing it over on Boxing Day.
maybe in bristol. .bro had a convertible for years but the opportunity to enjoy it to its full were few tbh.Nah. There's loads of opportunity. I have owned convertibles non stop for 19 years.
The air flow is so good in them inside these days I drive mine at 11 Deg C no problem and less sometimes. Leccy seats and heating on you can remain very comfortable.
My scooter. Got me up Brean hill no problem. 30 mph and 30 miles range.
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walpurgis
19-11-2020, 08:42
I don't personally like convertibles and it only takes some nerk with something sharp to ruin your day. I've seen enough patched up soft-tops to know it happens.
walpurgis
19-11-2020, 08:49
My scooter. Got me up Brean hill no problem. 30 mph and 30 miles range
Bolt two together, bung a seat on and you've got a mobility buggy. :)
My scooter. Got me up Brean hill no problem. 30 mph and 30 miles range.
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i'll settle for a seat, 21c air con and a roof for protection.:eyebrows:
I don't personally like convertibles and it only takes some nerk with something sharp to ruin your day. I've seen enough patched up soft-tops to know it happens.
yeah they often get manky too. and leak
Check out the beach art to the left of where my scooter was parked.
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with the banning of petrol/deisel being brought forward to 9 years from now(a stupid idea) maybe the cost of buying new ones will come down soon...
Well, I don't think it's a stupid idea at all - I'm all for it! As it will alter the mindset a little towards combustion-engined cars, and for a while at least, stop those of us who drive them from being vilified or victimised, and give us more time to enjoy the kind of car that *WE* want to drive, not those that the bloody government WANT us to have! Fuck that.
I simply will NOT own an electric car (for reasons other than not supporting the environmental angle) until there is NO other option, as even when sales of new petrol/diesel cars are banned, I'll be driving second-hand ones, as I will NOT be allowing myself to be tracked on a 'smart grid', or worse, potentially having my car monitored and controlled by an 'outside source', as trust me that's how it's going!!:nono:
Marco.
Nice views, Justers - you're in a lovely spot there:)
Marco.
well kiss my grits :eyebrows:
poorer folk are being priced out of market tho..
Just buy second-hand, then! No-one 'needs' a brand new car. Or a new diesel or petrol one, if electrics are too expensive. Simples:)
Marco.
i cant tho.. so its starting to look difficult for folk like me.. not having wheels will stymie me completely. But as i say the benefits of going electric have not been proven, only that it will cost a lot more.
Why can't you? Explain please:)
Surely you can lease a petrol or diesel car the same as an electric one?:hmm:
Marco.
just that prices of them are going haywire.. getting that small cars are only affordable. i cant get into those lol. anyways, not important to most folk so leave it there.:)
i might add i was intending my next to be a petrol only
walpurgis
19-11-2020, 09:21
I've got nothing against the idea of electric propulsion, but you just know they'll bung every kind of complexity in electric cars that they can get away with.
In theory they should be very reliable and durable, but I expect the modern tendency to pare quality to the bone will put paid to that.
Then there's the range and charging times, we still have some way to go there.
(think I'll look around for a nice smelly old eighties diesel Land Rover :))
just that prices of them are going haywire.. getting that small cars are only affordable. i cant get into those lol. anyways, not important to most folk so leave it there.:)
i might add i was intending my next to be a petrol only
Ok, cool:)
Marco.
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