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I moved from rolling baccy to vaping 5 months ago - this is the longest I have managed without the demon tobacco in 55 years of passionate smoking and I'm more than happy to continue.
I have saved just over £100 a month (which I've been spending on hifi goodies ;) ) but obviously the main benefit has been a huge improvement in my ability to breath without wheezing, taste food and smell things properly (not always a boon ...)
I'm hoping to also phase out the vaping at some point but don't feel any rush to do so given that I haven't experienced any nasties coming from the use.
My question really is whether anyone here who went down this route has also managed to quit the vape as well?
My sister in law went from 40 a day, to vaping and has now stopped completely.
I had a helping hand in this. I bought her a decent e-cig etc.
RobbieGong
26-06-2018, 15:47
Well done and respect Mike, stick it out and give yourself a well deserved pat on the back :thumbsup:
walpurgis
26-06-2018, 15:47
Well done Mike. I did exactly the same on the 4th March and my experience has been the same.
I actually tested my lack of need for cigarettes by buying one pack a month ago and smoking them, then using the vape again. I felt no pangs (as I expected), so the vaping continues. I actually forget to use it now and then. Guess I'll taper down the liquid strength and usage eventually. One small bottle of vape liquid can last me nearly a week if I go easy and at 99 pence is hardly going to break the bank. Compared to seven and a half quid for a pack of fags that last me a day and a half!
hifinutt
26-06-2018, 15:59
fantastic news , yes vaping has helped so many quit , wish a member of our family would do it before it kills them !!!
i went cold turkey from 60 a day rollups. wasnt too bad actually but there were moments. after 6 vweeks i tried one and flung it away, saying how did i ever stomach those.
i now do vape occasionally. use the cigarette type as they are weaker by far. ive 2 top class vape mods in house;one never opened(both cool fire 4 plus with the big tanks), and wont use them, as they are imv not as enjoyable as the cig type.
anyway, well done that man; keep it up
walpurgis
26-06-2018, 16:06
By the way. For anybody thinking of trying an alternative to cigarettes, I found the various Nicorettes products completely useless. It was only once I tried a proper vape pen with 18mg/ml liquid that I managed to pack fags up!
I’ve just started smoking again today after using a vape since October which has given me serious breathing difficulties.
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After a three week stay in hospital back in 2008 I gave up a thirty a day habit but due mainly to boredom I started again a couple of years ago. My landlady made me try a vape under threat of eviction and at first it was ok but I drifted onto cigars, Clare slapped my legs again so I went back to the vape and this time it is great, no cravings at all although I do still ponce one or two rollies from visitors if they smoke lol. You really do notice how much better things taste and smell and I also find sleeping easier with no wheezing, coughing and spluttering. The money saved is quite substantial too. I rarely drink alcohol so I justify my hifi spending as I have to have some pleasure.
One other thing is that many animal charities won't rehome to smokers any more, if you tell them of course.
walpurgis
26-06-2018, 16:26
I've been thinking about vape , which one would be best ?
You'll be bombarded with recommendations now! :D
I have an '88vape' and two 'ecig' pens. Only cheap, but I find the 'ecig' better than the '88vape'. They are £4.99 at Homebargains.
I’ll be flogging mine !! Along with a fancy all singing charger too
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I did stop for about 3 months, then back on the cigs. Must try harder...
I really like MTL style, I went through a phase of building my own coils, dripping etc., but my fave is the Nautilus Mini tank.
I've been thinking about vape , which one would be best ?There is a plethora of choice out there but I would recommend getting one with variable wattage as this allows you to tailor the strength and flavour of the vapour. I bought an Eleaf kit and it cost about £45 which you recoup very quickly. Best bet is to go to a vape store, they're usually helpful. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180626/ed9426b476c241af8ff84353ace3f55d.jpg
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walpurgis
26-06-2018, 16:34
'ecig' £3.95 on ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/eGo-1100mah-Shisha-Vape-Pen-Starter-Kit-Battery-Charger-eCIG-510-CE4-EVOD-SMOK/202350132449?hash=item2f1d01fce1:m:mZok5Y3-WGNC3G5fAmlurYg You might want to get two. One to be on charge while the other is in use. That's what I do. You can buy spare batteries, but at that price, it makes sense to just buy two vapes.
It's cheap, but works just fine. You can get the liquid on ebay too or at any tobacconist.
walpurgis
26-06-2018, 16:49
I'll give it a go , thanks.
Which liquid/cartridge fits this one?
I currently use the 18mg/ml liquid. Your tobacconist should sell it, you just unscrew the mouthpiece to top-up. Some of the flavours are revolting though. I stick with the tobacco or menthol flavours. Tried cherry a few weeks ago, it was ghastly!
Vaping is as bad as Hi-Fi. No end of posh gear about at fancy prices, but a cheapie will get you going and you can revise your wants later if need be.
Dug my one out. All cleaned and unlikely to use again. It's adjustable but I found it too powerful for me these days great tanks
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These may be overkill tho and you might be happiest with something like Geoff has or the cigarette type
16 will be plenty to start with then you can alter if its not right. i use menthol 20mg at moment but often just use the 16mg
Kik stuff is good and well priced
What's strength should I go for , I smoke something between 10-15 a day,
which brand of liquid would you advice
It is entirely dependent on the vape unit. For example, 18mg will be fine on a ‘clearomiser’ pen vape like Geoff shared, but will be very very harsh with the bigger tanks, where 6mg or even 3mg is more appropriate.
Also with a pen vape you do not want a high VG juice as it is too thick, at a minimum 60/40 PG/VG ratio. [emoji4]
Any particular brands , I'd like to start with tobacco taste ?
I missed second line of your reply , thanks
Brands are much of a muchness, I do like the ‘RY4’ flavours, like a nutty rich toffee / tobacco taste, one for smoking fans I think.
Think I used 6mg with my tank and could have been doing with less so agree Neil.
Think he was getting a pen type
My sister in law went from 40 a day, to vaping and has now stopped completely.
That's encouraging :)
Well done Mike. I did exactly the same on the 4th March and my experience has been the same.
I remember reading that on another thread - well done!
I’ve just started smoking again today after using a vape since October which has given me serious breathing difficulties.
The smoking or the vaping?
I've heard of people not taking to vaping and 'the cure being worse than the illness' but not had any ill effects meself.
sq225917
26-06-2018, 18:05
I'm using 3mg with an Eleaf MTL tank and an Aspire Archon mod. Honestly I can't get even the vaguest hit, and I used to smoke marlboro lights. I think a change to a decent DTL tank and stronger liquid is on the cards. 2nd week vaper, 25 year smoker, though only a couple a day.
Mac72, the tobacco taste stuff doesn't. it tastes like stale dumps scrounged from the ashtray.
I'm using 3mg with an Eleaf MTL tank and an Aspire Archon mod. Honestly I can't get even the vaguest hit, and I used to smoke marlboro lights. I think a change to a decent DTL tank and stronger liquid is on the cards. 2nd week vaper, 25 year smoker, though only a couple a day.
Mac72, the tobacco taste stuff doesn't. it tastes like stale dumps scrounged from the ashtray.
Too weak for that tank, up it to 6mg, or even 9mg. Also I prefer MTL, feels more like smoking. [emoji4]
Wow, a couple a day, I have a couple for breakfast... :D
I've been thinking about vape , which one would be best ?
Definitely do it - if you can find your hit then the benefits are huge :goodluck:
I went for a cheap option - an iClear 16 starter kit.
I figured if I didn't make too much of a ritual of it with fancy (and expensive) tanks and such it would be easier to give up.
The smoking or the vaping?
I've heard of people not taking to vaping and 'the cure being worse than the illness' but not had any ill effects meself.
Yes the vaping , I’ve now been referred to a specialist!
I think I was in denial and blaming everything but the vape but now I think about it the problems started when I went from the pen type to the current beast .
Stupidly I’ve started smoking again today but my breathlessness has already decreased.
I love hiking and I’m lucky to have a sister who lives in the French alps where I regularly go hiking but now I struggle to walk from the front door to the drive .
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Yes the vaping , I’ve now been referred to a specialist!
I think I was in denial and blaming everything but the vape but now I think about it the problems started when I went from the pen type to the current beast .
Stupidly I’ve started smoking again today but my breathlessness has already decreased.
I love hiking and I’m lucky to have a sister who lives in the French alps where I regularly go hiking but now I struggle to walk from the front door to the drive .
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Some people do seem to have an intolerance to PG or VG, pretty rare though. What ratios were you using?
The gamuccI cigarette type are very good. I refill them and they last for ages The menthol is the cleanest imo. I get a hit but no chest issues etc. Trouble is the company has stopped I think. Hoping they restart as they are best by margin. Ive got a big stock and can source batteries that fit
I currently use the 18mg/ml liquid. Your tobacconist should sell it, you just unscrew the mouthpiece to top-up. Some of the flavours are revolting though. I stick with the tobacco or menthol flavours. Tried cherry a few weeks ago, it was ghastly!
Vaping is as bad as Hi-Fi. No end of posh gear about at fancy prices, but a cheapie will get you going and you can revise your wants later if need be.
:exactly: Agree with all the above - tried a few flavours but found most of them vile.
I was lucky to find a relatively mild flavour off the bat and have stuck with it = Hangsen Tobacco 12mg/ml. Not too strong either so should be easier to step back to 6mg/ml .... and then nowt.
Also doing my best to avoid getting caught up in the fancy tanks and souped up battery packs and malarky ... like HiFi - keep it simple :thumbsup:
walpurgis
26-06-2018, 18:18
The vape flavour is not a really crucial thing as long as it's not revolting. I get on OK with the tobacco one, but use menthol mostly. It's the effect that counts. I find there's not a substantial 'hit' like you get from the first fag of the day, but the noticeable thing for me is not feeling the need to light up a cigarette. After a couple of days, you settle into using the vape.
Some people do seem to have an intolerance to PG or VG, pretty rare though. What ratios were you using?
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Sounds like my type of taste ,
Marlboro lover for over 20 years
Me too, also Lucky Strike Reds, and Blue Gauloises. These days I roll my own though, Amber Leaf.
Once you get used to good menthol there is no substitute Ive found. I never liked menthol fags funnily but vaping is different
Yes the vaping , I’ve now been referred to a specialist!
I think I was in denial and blaming everything but the vape but now I think about it the problems started when I went from the pen type to the current beast .
Do hope you can get sorted ....
Reminds me of a guy I worked with years ago - he gave up smoking and suffered all kinds of health problems. His doctor told him to start smoking again, the stress of withdrawal was apparently too much for his body to cope with :scratch:
Pigmy Pony
26-06-2018, 19:14
I will at some point be forced to give up, and it will be for financial reasons (I hope). For the last 3 years we've gone to Bulgaria for our holidays, and over there Marlboro Gold is about £2.50 a pack, making 100 packs £250. With them costing 11 quid a pack over here, that's a saving of £850. Our 'all inclusive' holiday costs around 7-800 pounds, meaning holiday + fags is cheaper than stay at home + fags!
Anyway, I'm sure there will be cost increases in the near future due to you-know-what, and when that happens I'll be forced to take the vape route. I have tried it before, and found it boring. Apart from the addiction, problem is I actually LIKE smoking! I never smoke indoors, not even at home, so it's just me that's getting stinked up with the smoke.
Yep, my problem is that I effing love smoking. :P
walpurgis
26-06-2018, 19:24
The doctor put me on anti-smoking meds a few years ago. The side effects were so dreadful, I thought they'd kill me!
... when that happens I'll be forced to take the vape route. I have tried it before, and found it boring. Apart from the addiction, problem is I actually LIKE smoking!
Believe me - I absolutely LOVE smoking. For me it wasn't simply a pastime or a nuisance addiction I was stuck with, it was part of my life and had an almost religious meaning. Smoking was way cooler than anything other than sex. I always thought I would sooner give up the booze than cigs (and I love drinking too....) I had a special tin for my tobacco and another to keep my filters and papers ... I even had a seperate set for going on holiday with. My favourite brand was Samson and I was absolutely gutted when they brought in plain packaging - even more annoyed than all the Brexit crap.
Yes - vaping is boring, and the first time I tried it I just couldn't be bothered ... the yawn factor was immense. Problem is that I'm not getting any younger and the effects of almost 60 years of that shit are really hitting home. Poor circulation, problems with breathing, easily fatigued and most definitely hearing impairment due to the accumulation of phlegm in various cavities in my bonce.
Time came when I had to admit to myself that whatever pleasure I was getting from the stuff and however much I convinced myself that I was some kind of f**king hero for not caving into the anti-smoking heretics, the only person who was really being a complete and utter wanker was me.
nonuffin
27-06-2018, 09:21
I wish there was a button inside my head to press so I can give up smoking.
I have tried the patches, gum, sprays, hypnotherapy, the wonder tablets the doctors prescribe, even vaping, which tasted foul and made me wheeze and cough like an old donkey.
What pisses me off intensely is when people say it is a "filthy habit" and gets my goat even more when the medical trade label is as such, when they know full well it is a bona fide clinical addiction, equally as severe as heroin.
i gave up because i was starting to feel the effects, plus it was both becoming expensive and difficult to do anywhere bar home. plus my daughter wanted me and wife to stop. i thought i would do it and show wife it could be done. she only followed several years later and too late for her.
all it takes is willpower, although many dont have enough and need help. my son used patches successfully. i used willpower only. wife eventually used electronic cigarettes.
hell i gave up alcohol too. never thought i could do it but it was easier than i thought. im still alive so it must have helped..lol:eek:
The doctor put me on anti-smoking meds a few years ago. The side effects were so dreadful, I thought they'd kill me!
Champix? Yeah it is nasty stuff.
Stryder5
27-06-2018, 13:34
I gave up when my first baby was born, decided I couldn't hold a cigarette and a baby, that was 38 years ago.
I found that for the first 6 months or so I had to have a packet of cigarettes near me, using willpower to decide not to smoke.
Can't believe how people can now afford to smoke, it seems really expensive!
walpurgis
27-06-2018, 13:42
Can't believe how people can now afford to smoke, it seems really expensive!
It is! One of the reasons I vape now.
Pigmy Pony
27-06-2018, 17:47
When my brother became a born-again non smoker, he constantly went on at me about smoking and my lack of willpower.
One day he started on at me about being a drain on NHS resources. My defence was that we are all going to die of something and whatever that is will be a 'drain' on the NHS. If he lived for example ten years longer than me, he will have also have ten more years of drawing a state pension, and when he sees out his days in a care home, telling his son Harry that his son Harry never visits, I won't care because I'll be dead.
It seems that until medicine can get a handle on this, the longer the body keeps going the greater the chance that the head will clock off first.
I do smoke a lot less when he's around, as it's not worth the nagging.
walpurgis
11-08-2018, 09:24
By mistake, I bought three 10ml bottles of mixed berry flavour vape liquid. It was in packs the same colour as the usual tobacco items.
Having tried cherry flavour once and found it disgusting, I expected the mixed berry to be equally revolting, but I was pleasantly surprised, it's actually quite nice! :)
My usual is normally menthol, as that is fairly innocuous, although I use the tobacco flavour too.
I've now been off the fags since March.
Wen to work yesterday left my baccy on the table in the house. No cigarettes all day, didn't bother me. Could have cadged a couple but didn't. Don't know what all the fuss is about. 'Nicotine is more addictive than heroin' - yeah, right. If I was a smack head and didn't fix all day I'd have been climbing the walls.
walpurgis
11-08-2018, 09:51
I was a moderate smoker (deliberately) and going without a smoke for a day felt a bit strange but nothing I couldn't cope with. Even a couple of days was manageable, but when I was trying to pack up, the need started biting on the third day . The withdrawal symptoms arriving with a vengance. Blurred vision, inability to think straight or concentrate on anything and of course the foul mood! And this just went on and on, week after week. I never did stay off ciggies long enough to 'get clean'.
Vaping makes all the 'nasties' go away. Well, for me at least.
By mistake, I bought three 10ml bottles of mixed berry flavour vape liquid. It was in packs the same colour as the usual tobacco items.
Having tried cherry flavour once and found it disgusting, I expected the mixed berry to be equally revolting, but I was pleasantly surprised, it's actually quite nice! :)
My usual is normally menthol, as that is fairly innocuous, although I use the tobacco flavour too.
I've now been off the fags since March.
well done. my mate and his wife have been using the vapers too very recently and both feel better for it. think she will stick, but not so sure yet on john.lol think hes missing bakky
Google ... popcorn lung [emoji1303]
Came off the vape after 4 months, I now have several large clots in my lungs and am on medication for it , the cause of the clots is unknown.
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walpurgis
11-08-2018, 10:04
I'm having no issues at all Andrew. I guess some people can be affected though. Those I know who vape have been OK. Hope your lungs improve mate.
my lungs are buggered after my last dose of pneumonia, of which ive had several. add all the chemicals i worked with and smoking......... :doh:
I'm having no issues at all Andrew. I guess some people can be affected though. Those I know who vape have been OK. Hope your lungs improve mate.
Well I am smoking again but lightly and feeling much better.
I am a keen hiker, with a sister living in the Swiss alps who wouldn’t be , just a year ago I’d think nothing of hiking 25 miles in a day then suddenly in March I couldn’t walk to the local shop , I did my first walk yesterday without a problem so I’m hoping to be back in the Alps this coming winter.
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my lungs are buggered after my last dose of pneumonia, of which ive had several. add all the chemicals i worked with and smoking......... :doh:
I had pneumonia too Grant ( twice ) and pleurisy , it maybe a coincidence but this all started once I was using a vape , just saying.
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I had pneumonia too Grant ( twice ) and pleurisy , it maybe a coincidence but this all started once I was using a vape , just saying.
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yup had pleurisy too(which was agony) and swine flu(which nearly finished me off)... left me with bad asthma now I never had before. :lol: youve gotta laugh mate, i used to be fit
Wen to work yesterday left my baccy on the table in the house. No cigarettes all day, didn't bother me. Could have cadged a couple but didn't. Don't know what all the fuss is about. 'Nicotine is more addictive than heroin' - yeah, right.
If you don't *need* it then [the accent on need], why not just give it up altogether? :)
Marco.
when I gave up it took significant will power. as geoff says it hits you after a few days, sometimes a week.. in moments of stress you are inclined give in(sometimes you dont realise you have til its too late)
I’ve given up several times for up to 3 years and will probably do so again someday
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If you don't *need* it then [the accent on need], why not just give it up altogether? :)
Marco.
Because I enjoy it.
Pigmy Pony
11-08-2018, 14:16
+1. If it was just addiction, I would be able to vape. That would make more sense from a health and financial point of view, but I just can't be doing with them. Having said that, although I'm not a heavy smoker, If like Macca I accidentally left my cigs at home I'd have to go to the shop. So there is some addiction to it.
sq225917
11-08-2018, 18:40
Andy, you're probably susceptible to wetlung if you've had pneumonia and pleurisy. A high nicotine content and a MTL would have been best for you. But not as good as not bothering at all.
I'm on my umpteenth week now, had a few rollys in the pub, but that'll always be the case.
I moved to a bigger tank, an Innokin Zenith, with the low ohm coil and the airway right open you can use it as a DTL and that's where I seem happy with 6mg sauce.
I'm all over the place on flavours, swapping every new bottle and invariably mixing and matching on every fill.
But it's here to stay. I'm currently saving £30 a week, as I only get through 1 £5 10ml bottle a week.
Andy, you're probably susceptible to wetlung if you've had pneumonia and pleurisy. A high nicotine content and a MTL would have been best for you. But not as good as not bothering at all.
I'm on my umpteenth week now, had a few rollys in the pub, but that'll always be the case.
I moved to a bigger tank, an Innokin Zenith, with the low ohm coil and the airway right open you can use it as a DTL and that's where I seem happy with 6mg sauce.
I'm all over the place on flavours, swapping every new bottle and invariably mixing and matching on every fill.
But it's here to stay. I'm currently saving £30 a week, as I only get through 1 £5 10ml bottle a week.
Yes vaping clearly wasn’t agreeing with me , I used a wismec RX gen 3 ( very powerful) and like you fully opened vent and only 6mg , I now have no more than 10 roll ups a day and I use filters now too .
I only ever gave up in the past when I’d had enough of it ( like my body was telling me ) so when that feeling comes around again I’ll stop .
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Because I enjoy it.
Fairy muff:)
Marco.
Yes vaping clearly wasn’t agreeing with me , I used a wismec RX gen 3 ( very powerful) and like you fully opened vent and only 6mg , I now have no more than 10 roll ups a day and I use filters now too .
I only ever gave up in the past when I’d had enough of it ( like my body was telling me ) so when that feeling comes around again I’ll stop .
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I stopped using the vape tanks. Too powerful for my lungs. Good if your up to it tho.
I use the cigarette type. Much gentler and the menthol helps me quite a bit You can refill them although they are not designed to. It's easy tho. Lol
I’m flogging mine , with excellent lithium batteries and a fancy conditioning charger
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walpurgis
21-09-2018, 13:25
Hmm. Out of curiosity, I bought 'chocolate' vape liquid. The flavour is odd to say the least, there's a vague chocolatey thing going on, but with more than a suggestion of rabbit hutch sweepings and sweaty socks............Not sure we'll be bothering with this one again! :D
Hmm. Out of curiosity, I bought 'chocolate' vape liquid. The flavour is odd to say the least, there's a vague chocolatey thing going on, but with more than a suggestion of rabbit hutch sweepings and sweaty socks............Not sure we'll be bothering with this one again! :D
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been vaping on and off for ages and the menthol i use is still my fav. got my sceptical mate on it eventually and after saying he would never give up he has given up and just uses the vaper. says hes not felt this good in years plus is saving cash.
walpurgis
21-09-2018, 13:29
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I've been vaping since March and don't even think about fags now.
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Nicotine isn't addictive.
It is everyone's blood stream since it is in food.
What is addictive is burning nicotine with the alkaloids in tobacco.
Vape liquids for the most part do not contain the alkaloids.
This is why you cannot stop vaping when you first start. It's like it's never ending and you cannot put it down.
Some US liquids do contain the alkaloids e.g. Umbavape and Aroma WTAs. Still not the same as burning as you are only heating the nicotine and alkaloids. However, these liquids are far more effective at stopping you vaping forever. A few hits and you want to put the vape machine down.
I unfortunately do not get on with either. Tried many times, but WTA is easily the most effective at stopping you smoking.
walpurgis
21-09-2018, 13:48
There are some interesting vape flavours out there. I've been experimenting.
I quite like the Gooding, RY6 and Heisenberg flavours, they are unusual. At first, they come across as not necessarily pleasant, but after little a while, they become enjoyable.
They are available on ebay for a quid or two, so won't break the bank.
nicotine is addictive. its not inherently as dangerous as the nasties that are also in tobacco smoke tho
nonuffin
21-09-2018, 15:32
What pisses me off the most is when I get told it's a "nasty habit", which it isn't. It is a clinical addiction, every bit as much as heroin and just as hard to give up.
I have had hynotherapy, the patches, chewing gum, sprays, the NHS wonder tablets and even tried vaping which made me wheeze like an old donkey.
If only there was a switch inside my head that says "stop smoking" I would happily press the bastard and easily quit without the pangs.
What pisses me off the most is when I get told it's a "nasty habit", which it isn't. It is a clinical addiction, every bit as much as heroin and just as hard to give up.
I have had hynotherapy, the patches, chewing gum, sprays, the NHS wonder tablets and even tried vaping which made me wheeze like an old donkey.
If only there was a switch inside my head that says "stop smoking" I would happily press the bastard and easily quit without the pangs.
Try the book called “ stop smoking “ by Allen Carr , others may laugh but it worked for me and other smokers I knew .
Throughout the book it does explain how 1 fag leads to another ( true ) so once you quit DON’T have that one fag !! 3 years of not smoking then I had that one fag [emoji20] ( well more than a fag really [emoji6][emoji6]) .
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See my earlier post. The Wikipedia entry that supported what I stated about it not being addictive by itself has been COMPLETELY re-written.
It most definitely is in everyone's blood stream. Tomatoes, potatoes, aubergines etc all contain it.
Everyone tests positive for it.
Curious about that Wiki entry changing so radically.
What pisses me off the most is when I get told it's a "nasty habit", which it isn't. It is a clinical addiction, every bit as much as heroin and just as hard to give up.
I have had hynotherapy, the patches, chewing gum, sprays, the NHS wonder tablets and even tried vaping which made me wheeze like an old donkey.
If only there was a switch inside my head that says "stop smoking" I would happily press the bastard and easily quit without the pangs.
I was a really heavy smoker had acupunture it worked havn't smoked another ciggy in 25 years,longest i'd lasted before that when trying to give up was about an hour
Audio Al
21-09-2018, 16:58
You will only stop if YOU want to stop, cutting down etc is a reason to continue
Make your mind up and STOP its willpower thats needed , I did it 34 years ago and have not had one since
Its a habit , change your routine , When you want a smoke , do the wasing up , do the dusting , take the dog for a walk , get the vacuum out , paint the celing anything to take your mind off it , Once the habit is broken and you dont want a fag after your dinner , a pint , a snack , then its easy :D
All the crap that they sell you to help stop smoking is good for the industry , they make billions out of you and they hope you dont stop so you can keep buying the crap they sell you , Win Win for the big companys
YOU need to decide " Thats it I HAVE stopped smoking " then you WIN WIN , no more paying for fags , NO more paying for wonder cures , And your lungs have a chance to recover :)
You will only stop if YOU want to stop, cutting down etc is a reason to continue
Make your mind up and STOP its willpower thats needed , I did it 34 years ago and have not had one since
Its a habit , change your routine , When you want a smoke , do the wasing up , do the dusting , take the dog for a walk , get the vacuum out , paint the celing anything to take your mind off it , Once the habit is broken and you dont want a fag after your dinner , a pint , a snack , then its easy :D
All the crap that they sell you to help stop smoking is good for the industry , they make billions out of you and they hope you dont stop so you can keep buying the crap they sell you , Win Win for the big companys
YOU need to decide " Thats it I HAVE stopped smoking " the you WIN WIN , no more paying for fags , NO more paying for wonder cures , And your lungs have a chance to recover :)
yup, i went cold turkey. wasnt too hard
You will only stop if YOU want to stop, cutting down etc is a reason to continue
Make your mind up and STOP its willpower thats needed , I did it 34 years ago and have not had one since
Its a habit , change your routine , When you want a smoke , do the wasing up , do the dusting , take the dog for a walk , get the vacuum out , paint the celing anything to take your mind off it , Once the habit is broken and you dont want a fag after your dinner , a pint , a snack , then its easy :D
All the crap that they sell you to help stop smoking is good for the industry , they make billions out of you and they hope you dont stop so you can keep buying the crap they sell you , Win Win for the big companys
YOU need to decide " Thats it I HAVE stopped smoking " then you WIN WIN , no more paying for fags , NO more paying for wonder cures , And your lungs have a chance to recover :)
I agree , I’m really not struggling at all , thankfully.
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Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 17:12
If I took up vaping, what would I do with the 200 packs I brought back from my holidays? :D
Maybe next June, when they run out. Or maybe I'll just go on holiday again. Up yours Treasury, you've had enough out of me this last 40 years.
If I took up vaping, what would I do with the 200 packs I brought back from my holidays? :D
Maybe next June, when they run out. Or maybe I'll just go on holiday again. Up yours Treasury, you've had enough out of me this last 40 years.
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Imo vapers are living each minute wishing they were smoking a fag , just saying [emoji16]
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Audio Al
21-09-2018, 17:26
I think the NHS money comes from the treasury , will they say up yours as and when you need treatment ?
Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 17:29
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Imo vapers are living each minute wishing they were smoking a fag , just saying [emoji16]
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That has certainly been my experience. I would happily replace cigs with vaping, but it just doesn't do it for me. :(
walpurgis
21-09-2018, 17:36
Imo vapers are living each minute wishing they were smoking a fag , just saying
No. Definitely not here mate.
No. Definitely not here mate.
Good on ya mate
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Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 17:38
I think the NHS money comes from the treasury , will they say up yours as and when you need treatment ?
Who knows, maybe they will. And I won't mind, as long as they can refund all the cig tax they've taken from me over the last 40 years. That should buy me a bit of healthcare. Or maybe I'd just buy some new speakers instead and die sooner.
And what about the people who won't stop eating crap and end up with heart disease, diabetes etc? And not forgetting all the sports injuries - they really didn't need to snowboard down that hill, they could've come back down on the ski lift.
Who knows, maybe they will. And I won't mind, as long as they can refund all the cig tax they've taken from me over the last 40 years. That should buy me a bit of healthcare. Or maybe I'd just buy some new speakers instead and die sooner.
And what about the people who won't stop eating crap and end up with heart disease, diabetes etc? And not forgetting all the sports injuries - they really didn't need to snowboard down that hill, they could've come back down on the ski lift.
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It was a simple choice for me, roll ups+angry landlady=vaping or move out.
Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 17:46
It was a simple choice for me, roll ups+angry landlady=vaping or move out.
Angry landladies should be available on the NHS. I hear the BUPA ones are more psychotic though.
Who knows, maybe they will. And I won't mind, as long as they can refund all the cig tax they've taken from me over the last 40 years. That should buy me a bit of healthcare. Or maybe I'd just buy some new speakers instead and die sooner.
And what about the people who won't stop eating crap and end up with heart disease, diabetes etc? And not forgetting all the sports injuries - they really didn't need to snowboard down that hill, they could've come back down on the ski lift.
Exactly.
Audio Al
21-09-2018, 17:55
My mum said just months before she died " My lungs I will do what I want with them " RIP mum
actually I dont like the vapers much so i use the e cigs, which are different and imo better for me anyway. not as strong either.
Im quite lucky as i can forget it and not bother at all.
Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 18:05
actually I dont like the vapers much so i use the e cigs, which are different and imo better for me anyway. not as strong either.
Im quite lucky as i can forget it and not bother at all.
I wish I could forget it - My memory is shocking, but I always remember to spark up when I have a brew in me hand.
You will only stop if YOU want to stop, cutting down etc is a reason to continue
Make your mind up and STOP its willpower thats needed , I did it 34 years ago and have not had one since
Its a habit , change your routine , When you want a smoke , do the wasing up , do the dusting , take the dog for a walk , get the vacuum out , paint the celing anything to take your mind off it , Once the habit is broken and you dont want a fag after your dinner , a pint , a snack , then its easy :D
All the crap that they sell you to help stop smoking is good for the industry , they make billions out of you and they hope you dont stop so you can keep buying the crap they sell you , Win Win for the big companys
YOU need to decide " Thats it I HAVE stopped smoking " then you WIN WIN , no more paying for fags , NO more paying for wonder cures , And your lungs have a chance to recover :)
I know you mean well ... but that's just the kind of speech that stopped me giving up for decades.
Must have heard it a thousand times in various forms and every time I heard it I reached for my baccy and papers.
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Imo vapers are living each minute wishing they were smoking a fag , just saying [emoji16]
In my case - not in the slightest.
I did try a roll up a few months back, got less than half way through and had to bin it ... tasted vile.
... and that's from someone who smoked tabs for 55 years (and loved it...)
I did try a roll up a few months back, got less than half way through and had to bin it ... tasted vile.
That's the thing for me with smoking. Did it taste anything other than vile the very FIRST time you tried it? Think about it... Back then, your taste buds were as unaccustomed (probably more so) to the taste of cigarettes, as they were at the point where you've just stated it tasted vile, after having given it up for so long.
I don't know anyone, when they took their first draw of a cigarette, behind the bike sheds at school, at a party, or wherever it was, who said: 'Oh my, that tastes gorgeous!':D
I certainly didn't - it tasted VILE, which is why I stopped there and then, and didn't develop it into a habit. And I was never one for succumbing to peer pressure. The fact is, it ONLY tastes good once you've become accustomed to the taste, and then hooked on the drug.
The trick, therefore, is to stop at the first stage of it tasting vile, just like you would with anything else you hated the taste of!:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
walpurgis
21-09-2018, 19:14
Same thing with beer. As a kid, I never liked the taste and couldn't figure out why adults liked it.
Only someone who's never smoked thinks that's how it is.
Same thing with beer. As a kid, I never liked the taste and couldn't figure out why adults liked it.
I still think like that about booze ! Yuk
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Bigandbouncy
21-09-2018, 19:26
I gave up 7 or 8 years ago using the Allen Carr Easy Method (not the comedian Alan Carr). It is a mix of CBT and NLP. I never touched a fag again and was up to 40 a day.
It’s not for everyone but you don’t need will power and if it doesn’t work you get your money back. You have to be ready to give up though.
Did it taste anything other than vile the very FIRST time you tried it? Think about it...
I think you're confusing tobacco with cabbage :lol:
Lol - it's not just tobacco though; it's the 'flavour' of 1000s of chemical poisons, too (unless you smoke roll-ups)!
Be honest though, did you think it tasted lovely the first time you tried it? And if it tasted as bad to you as cabbage does, then why did you persevere with it? ;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 19:35
That's the thing for me with smoking. Did it taste anything other than vile the very FIRST time you tried it? Think about it... Back then, your taste buds were as unaccustomed (probably more so) to the taste of cigarettes, as they were at the point where you've just stated it tasted vile, after having given it up for so long.
I don't know anyone, when they took their first draw of a cigarette, behind the bike sheds at school, at a party, or wherever it was, who said: 'Oh my, that tastes gorgeous!':D
I certainly didn't - it tasted VILE, which is why I stopped there and then, and didn't develop it into a habit. And I was never one for succumbing to peer pressure. The fact is, it ONLY tastes good once you've become accustomed to the taste, and then hooked on the drug.
The trick, therefore, is to stop at the first stage of it tasting vile, just like you would with anything else you hated the taste of!:eyebrows:;)
Marco.
Absolutely didn't taste good at first, but we'd stick at it because we wanted to look "grown up". Same could be said of alcohol - I doubt many kids having their first beer would be thinking, "Ooh, that's delicious!", but we stuck with it because we wanted to be "grown up".
Young smokers don't "grow up" to be wife beaters, don't kill people with their driving, and you'll never hear any kids saying "my dad's excessive smoking ruined our lives". Not unless they liked a few pints with their fags.
Same thing with beer. As a kid, I never liked the taste and couldn't figure out why adults liked it.
Yup, it's a strange one isn't it? I mean, think of all the foods you find the taste of disgusting... Would you dream of keeping eating them, until you eventually liked how they tasted?:D
No..... So why do it with cigarettes or booze?:hmm:
Marco.
Beer still tastes horrible to me just as it did when I was a kid ! ( like salad [emoji16])
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Absolutely didn't taste good at first, but we'd stick at it because we wanted to look "grown up".
Well, maybe that's why I've never grown up!:D
*Think* about it...;)
Marco.
Don't do either now. I'm clean man. [emoji23]
Beer still tastes horrible to me just as it did when I was a kid ! ( like salad [emoji16])
Lol... So why drink it? I don't eat or drink *anything* that I don't enjoy. There must be something missing in your life, mate, which you're using beer to fill.... Hark at me, the amateur psychologist!:D
Marco.
Don't do either now. I'm clean man. [emoji23]
Yeah right [emoji23]
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Lol... So why drink it? I don't eat or drink *anything* that I don't enjoy.
Marco.
I don’t drink any alcohol, it all tastes horrible to me , give me a coffee any day and a fat Spl%#%^^
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Yeah right [emoji23]
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Honestly.
Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 19:47
Lol... So why drink it? I don't eat or drink *anything* that I don't enjoy. There must be something missing in your life, mate, which you're using beer to fill.... Hark at me, the amateur psychologist!:D
Marco.
So at what age did you decide that wine doesn't taste like piss? Or are the bottles featured in your "foodie fotos" just props? :D
So at what age did you decide that wine doesn't taste like piss? Or are the bottles featured in your "foodie fotos" just props? :D
Lol.... I can honestly say that wine has *never*, to me, tasted like piss, because I've only ever drunk good stuff! And that doesn't necessarily mean expensive either. I was fortunate as a kid to taste red and white wine, produced by my parents and relatives from our own vines in Italy, and which was just wonderful (and also free).
No doubt that developed my taste for fine wine later in life, *but* it didn't turn me into an alcoholic!;)
Marco.
walpurgis
21-09-2018, 20:03
Dunno. Never tried smoking cabbage. I do remember smoking some mysterious green stuff that could have been confused with cabbage I suppose. Quite enjoyed that. :whistle:
Dunno. Never tried smoking cabbage. I do remember smoking some mysterious green stuff that could have been confused with cabbage I suppose. Quite enjoyed that. :whistle:
Yeah man [emoji41]
Now you’re talking...smoked cabbage
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Lol... You can see my point, though? I think that some people are just more predisposed to being addicted to things than others.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 20:13
Lol.... I can honestly say that wine has *never*, to me, tasted like piss, because I've only ever drunk good stuff! And that doesn't necessarily mean expensive either. I was fortunate as a kid to taste red and white wine, produced by my parents and relatives from our own vines in Italy, and which was just wonderful (and also free).
No doubt that developed my taste for fine wine later in life, *but* it didn't turn me into an alcoholic!;)
Marco.
Sorry, not havin' that. The implication there is that the reason why kids wouldn't like the taste of wine is because the poor buggers were given the crap stuff. Wine comes under the category "acquired taste" and I don't believe any child would walk past a bottle of Tizer to get at the vino unless it was to do as the grown ups do.
Like dressing up in mummy's frock and shoes.
Is it not possible that the passage of time has given you rose-tinted specs, and you remember the wine tasting soo good, (and the summers were sunnier and the winters snowier) or maybe your memory is slightly addled by 51 years of plonk?
I've just read this through and it looks a tad confrontational. That's not my intention, It's just banter, so no need to club me with one of your (many) empty bottles. :D
Sorry, not havin' that. The implication there is that the reason why kids wouldn't like the taste of wine is because the poor buggers were given the crap stuff. Wine comes under the category "acquired taste" and I don't believe any child would walk past a bottle of Tizer to get at the vino unless it was to do as the grown ups do.
Like dressing up in mummy's frock and shoes.
Is it not possible that the passage of time has given you rose-tinted specs, and you remember the wine tasting soo good, (and the summers were sunnier and the winters snowier) or maybe your memory is slightly addled by 51 years of plonk?
I've just read this through and it looks a tad confrontational. That's not my intention, It's just banter, so no need to club me with one of your (many) empty bottles. :D
I kinda agree, I grew up in France and detest wine .
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walpurgis
21-09-2018, 20:27
I kinda agree, I grew up in France and detest wine
My mother was French and I grew up being given the occasional glass of watered red wine with meals as a kid. Never liked it and still don't. I can cope with a clean tasting dry white wine though.
My mother was French and I grew up being given the occasional glass of watered red wine with meals as a kid. Never liked it and still don't. I can cope with a clean tasting dry white wine though.
I hold living in France responsible for my father becoming a raving alcoholic. He was a Routier ( lorry driver) , I’d often go off with him and lunchtimes were a huge affair in the truck stops , you’d have tables of about 20 truckers sat together all eating from a fixed menu accompanied by jugs and jugs of red table wine , thought nothing of it back then but can you imagine nowadays.
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Sorry, not havin' that. The implication there is that the reason why kids wouldn't like the taste of wine is because the poor buggers were given the crap stuff.
Ha - the point is that when I was growing up and first tasted wine, when I was 5 (during the 70s), the stuff that the general public had access to *was* piss! Blue Nun, anyone?;)
However, as a result of my Italian heritage, and the fact that we had our own (small) vineyard in Italy, within the family home, I was always used to drinking good (genuine) wine, and not plonk.
*Plus*, very crucially, we (Italians) very rarely drink wine without food. It's enjoyed as an accompaniment to a meal. And red wine especially with food, tastes VERY different than when drunk on its own, where it can taste like piss (rather vinegary), especially if it *is* piss!:eyebrows:
Therefore, when I first tasted wine, as a kid, all those factors would've come into play (plus it was mixed with a little water, and so diluted), not least of which the fact that it would've likely gone very well with some gorgeous homemade pasta..... As ever, context is everything!:cool:
Marco.
I kinda agree, I grew up in France and detest wine .
Sure, it's not a prerequisite of growing up in France that you've got to love wine, just as it isn't with whisky, in Scotland. You like what you like. But whatever it is, it's a good idea not to become addicted to it.
Marco.
Blue Nun was piss that's true. Nun's piss probably.
Black Tower now that was a good drop.
Asti Spumante [emoji23]
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I hold living in France responsible for my father becoming a raving alcoholic. He was a Routier ( lorry driver) , I’d often go off with him and lunchtimes were a huge affair in the truck stops , you’d have tables of about 20 truckers sat together all eating from a fixed menu accompanied by jugs and jugs of red table wine , thought nothing of it back then but can you imagine nowadays.
Those places still exist and are alive and well. The 'Les Routiers' truck stops, when done well, have always been legendary and epitomise what's great about French food and wine, stripped of all the pretension and snobbery.
As such, whenever we're in France, those are the first places we head to for lunch. Last time I was in one, you could get a fabulous 3 (sometimes 4) course meal, with at least one bottle of wine, and coffee included, for less than 13€ a head!:eek:
You can easily pay more than that here for a plastic McDonalds.....
Marco.
Blue Nun was piss that's true. Nun's piss probably.
Black Tower now that was a good drop.
Yup, that's true. As back then was Mateus Rosé:)
However, if you try what's posing as such now, under the same label, it *IS* veritable piss!!:spew:
Marco.
Asti Spumante [emoji23]
The funny thing Andy, is that *proper* Asti Spumate (if you like a sparkling sweet wine) is lovely, as indeed is proper Lambrusco, if you taste the stuff that they drink in Italy! Trouble is, the cheap cack they export to the UK [to fuel drunken 'hen nights' and such like], posing as such, gives both a bad name.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
21-09-2018, 21:54
Wish I'd known about "Les Routiers" on my last drive around France. I remember after driving for hours, and all the restaurants having a sign on the door saying "ferme", and motorway services prices taking the piss, we ended up using McDonalds a couple of times. :( Well, we'll know better next time.
Plenty of quality wines available these days for not much money, and I'm still not convinced about this "kids and wine" thing yet, so may I suggest that anyone out there with young children who haven't tried wine yet give them a small amount to try, and describe the reaction on their little faces. :eek:
Wish I'd known about "Les Routiers" on my last drive around France. I remember after driving for hours, and all the restaurants having a sign on the door saying "ferme", and motorway services prices taking the piss, we ended up using McDonalds a couple of times. :( Well, we'll know better next time.
This is what you need, mate: http://www.relais-routiers.com/
Then simply plan in advance where to go. When Del and I are driving to France on holiday, I'll plot a route to our destination deliberately passing through the best ones to eat! Some of them even do cheap, but more than adequate overnight accommodation. Do bear in mind however, that as with anything else, there are good and bad places.
But for good value hotels, we generally use Logis: https://www.logishotels.com/en/
Plenty of quality wines available these days for not much money, and I'm still not convinced about this "kids and wine" thing yet, so may I suggest that anyone out there with young children who haven't tried wine yet give them a small amount to try, and describe the reaction on their little faces. :eek:
In terms of the former, yes more than ever, although there's still some shocking stuff sold in supermarkets for around a fiver (and less), which simply doesn't compare with wines available from specialist retailers, for only a few pounds more.
Honestly, there can be a MASSIVE difference in quality between wines costing a fiver, or 7 or 8 quid. That £2-3 extra is often the difference between drinking something no more than mediocre (or worse), and something truly great!
As for young children drinking wine, as I said, it's context and what you're used to that's important. In that respect, I'd only give them a small amount of red wine, diluted with water, which ameliorates the acidity and makes it more palatable for them, as long as it's taken with food.
It's coincidentally, however, that acidity which makes it compliment certain foods - and which is why if you want to taste wine properly, that's how to drink it.
A lot of kids these days hate vegetables, but that's only because their parents haven't introduced them to the flavour properly (or perhaps don't know how to cook them right in the first place), and it's the same with wine. That's why I didn't spit it out when my mum first gave me some, all those years ago!:)
I'm also a great believer in that if you introduce kids at an early age to a small amount of alcohol, rather than treat is as taboo until they're 18, they're less likely to abuse it later as adults. For that reason, unlike most British kids, alcohol was never a big deal for me (as it was never forbidden), which is why I didn't go running to the first pub to get pissed, once I was legally old enough to drink!
And it's probably why I've grown up to enjoy alcohol in moderation, and not become addicted to it (or indeed anything else for that matter).
Marco.
And if it tasted as bad to you as cabbage, then why did you persevere with it? ;)
If didn't say it tasted as bad as cabbage ...
Nothing in this world tastes as bad as cabbage :lol:
Lol - it's not just tobacco though; it's the 'flavour' of 1000s of chemical poisons, too (unless you smoke roll-ups)!
You have to know the right brand to get you started - after that, the rest is child's play ....
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walpurgis
21-09-2018, 22:43
If didn't say it tasted as bad as cabbage ...
Nothing in this world tastes as bad as cabbage :lol:
I really like cabbage..................and brussel sprouts...........and smelly cheeses.........and cottage cheese......and parsnips! :)
If didn't say it tasted as bad as cabbage ...
Nothing in this world tastes as bad as cabbage :lol:
Well, I love cabbage! Perhaps you're not cooking it right, and boiling it to buggery (which makes it produce that foul 'farty' smell and taste), instead of steaming it, then stirring it in some butter, along with adding a pinch of nutmeg and plenty of ground black [or even white] pepper, before serving it?
Clue: once cooked it should have some bite and texture, and not simply be a pile of sloppy mush;)
Marco.
walpurgis
21-09-2018, 22:48
You have to know the right brand to get you started - after that, the rest is child's play ....
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You got that a bit wrong.
Here you go!
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Well, I love cabbage! Perhaps you're not cooking it right, and boiling it to buggery (which makes it produce that foul 'farty' smell and taste), instead of steaming it, then stirring it in some butter, along with and adding a pinch of nutmeg and some ground black pepper, before serving it.
:lol:
The best way to cook cabbage is to douse it in petrol and apply a blow torch .... or insert a stick of dynamite and light the fuse.
You got that a bit wrong.
Here you go!
http://i63.tinypic.com/2i2bjm0.jpg
Thank the lord I managed to kick that brand into touch a long long time ago .... along with wacky mushrooms and pills that make you talk utter shite for hours :rofl:
I really like cabbage..................and brussel sprouts...........and smelly cheeses.........and cottage cheese......and parsnips! :)
At least you got three right :)
walpurgis
21-09-2018, 23:06
At least you got three right :)
I forgot Marmite.
I forgot Marmite.
That'll be four then ... I love the stuff (and brussel sprouts ... and cottage cheese .. and especially parsnips)
:lol:
The best way to cook cabbage is to douse it in petrol and apply a blow torch .... or insert a stick of dynamite and light the fuse.
Lol... I'd bet you any money you'd love the cabbage we make, so you should visit to test it out. You'll either leave richer or learn something new!;)
Let me guess, you've got bad memories of cabbage from some horrid school dinners you ate, back in the day? That's often the case, but it doesn't have to be that way:)
Marco.
Let me guess, you've got bad memories of cabbage from some horrible school dinners you ate, back in the day? That's often the case, but it doesn't have to be that way:)
Nope ... you only have two guesses left now ... ;)
Sure, it's not a prerequisite of growing up in France that you're going to love wine, just as it isn't with whisky, growing up in Scotland. You like what you like. But whatever it is, it's a good idea not to become addicted to it.
Marco.
Addictions are interesting things. I'm firmly in the camp that some folk are easily addicted and others not so but of course anyone can be.
My son is very easily addicted to pretty much anything he likes or gets benefit from. And is an extreme case I grant you.
Then you get another semi addiction and that's the false idea that you need to take something to excess to get some benefit where you actually don't. In fact it may make it worse. That's probably more common
Nope ... you only have two guesses left now ...
Your mum was a shite cook?:lol:
;)
And your wife since isn't any better, and neither are you?:ner:
Slam dunk!
:eyebrows::eyebrows:
Marco.
Your mum was a shite cook?:lol:
;)
And your wife since isn't any better, and neither are you?:ner:
Slam dunk!
:eyebrows::eyebrows:
Marco.
One guess left - you aren't really doing well at all.....
Educate me then:)
Did a bad man once shove a cabbage up your chuff?:D
Marco.
Im not a lover of cabbage either but my wife did as does my daughter and family My whole family liked it bar me. No real idea the best way to cook but I did it for them the way they asked and it always got eaten.
Pretty sure there must have been better ways to do it tho
How do you cook it, mate?
It needs gently steamed (or sautéed), not boiled. Plus it must be fresh, not frozen. If you're someone who's only ever had boiled or frozen cabbage, then you've not really tasted cabbage - simples:)
You lose half of the flavour, colour (and nutrients) in the water, which gets poured down the sink!:doh:
Marco.
Mostly boiled. I did steam it once but it was inedible. Lol
Lol, have you not got a proper veg steamer? Either that, or you're not doing it right:)
The Chinese know how to treat cabbage, or most other greens for that matter. Steamed Pak Choi, with ginger and garlic, is a delight: https://cooktogether.com/recipe-items/steamed-pak-choi-with-ginger-and-garlic/
Marco.
Lol, have you not got a proper veg steamer? Either that, or you're not doing it right:)
The Chinese now know how to treat cabbage, or most other greens for that matter. Steamed Pak Choi with soy sauce is a delight.
Marco.
Used to have a couple including a Chinese bamboo one
It wasn't one of my successes. Can't be good at everything lok
Indeed. Stick to being our resident Barista! :eyebrows:
Fuck, look at the time.... Time for bo-bos! Hope you can catch a good sleep yourself, mate.
:goodnight:
Marco.
For cabbage haters, or those who can't master the steaming process, here's a nice way to cook it, and which may change your mind towards eating it: https://www.foxandbriar.com/easy-sauteed-cabbage-recipe/
Note the author's previous feelings towards boiled cabbage!;)
Plus, what can also transform cabbage, and give it a different flavour entirely (and texture), is pan-frying some lardons and stirring them in at the end, especially when sautéed, then drizzling a little of the hot bacon fat over the cabbage, before serving. Cabbage and bacon, quite simply, is a marriage made in heaven. Gorgeous!:)
Marco.
Minstrel SE
22-09-2018, 08:29
Ive just bought a pack of Benson Gold and I will tell you why.
Ive never really got addicted to them and can be a social smoker with very long breaks inbetween times. I havent even touched this pack yet and Ive had it for nearly a week.
when the other staff are winding down and partying Im usually sober as a judge (on duty) which is a real bummer I can assure you. I am allowed one beer on a busy night and I will try and enjoy a cigarette. Im gonna have a ciggy.
Theres nothing worse than sitting down with a bunch of merrily drunk and drugged up colleagues when sober as a judge....nothing worse in a social situation :(
Its a way of joining in and its also a hit when work is stressful. I dont want to smoke and do have periods when I just dont enjoy them and give them all away. Its a very social thing with me and usually accompanies alcohol
So I know they are dangerous to health but I fancied a young lady there and she smokes so I thought F it Im joining in :)
I still believe its 90% peer pressure, trying to be cool and then the addiction takes hold in many people....it is a filthy habit and theres no denying that :)
smoking in the workplace :mad:
:eyebrows:
At work I always like to smoke standing next to a no-smoking sign. Fair enough that you can't smoke inside, but telling you where you can and can't smoke outside is taking the piss.
Pigmy Pony
22-09-2018, 09:26
Ive just bought a pack of Benson Gold and I will tell you why.
Ive never really got addicted to them and can be a social smoker with very long breaks inbetween times. I havent even touched this pack yet and Ive had it for nearly a week.
when the other staff are winding down and partying Im usually sober as a judge (on duty) which is a real bummer I can assure you. I am allowed one beer on a busy night and I will try and enjoy a cigarette. Im gonna have a ciggy.
Theres nothing worse than sitting down with a bunch of merrilly drunk and drugged colleagues when sober as a judge....nothing worse in a social situation :(
Its a way of joining in and its also a hit when work is stressful. I dont want to smoke and do have periods when I just dont enjoy them and give them all away. Its a very social thing with me and usually accompanies alcohol
So I know they are dangerous to health but I fancied a young lady there and she smokes so I thought F it Im joining in :)
I still believe its 90% peer pressure, trying to be cool and then the addiction takes hold in many people....it is a filthy habit and theres no denying that :)
Martin, I sympathise with you, I too can't stand to be around pissed people - even if they're 'happy drunks' they just get on my nerves. The answer would seem to be to get drunk too, but I don't do well with alcohol, I don't enjoy it much and hate the after effects. To help me cope in these social situations my booze substitute used to be pill-shaped and come in a variety of shapes and sizes. It was an alternative which became very popular, probably still is, but I'm too old now for all that nonsense. So these days I'm just a boring old fart and stay away.
If having a cig helps you cope, that's great, you just have to be mindful of the insidious nature of nicotine addiction - nobody thinks they're addicted until they are, and even then they will deny it - much like alcohol. Personally I enjoy smoking and I'm not a 'heavy smoker' by any means, but I'm under no illusion - I am addicted to it.
Ive just bought a pack of Benson Gold and I will tell you why.
Ive never really got addicted to them and can be a social smoker with very long breaks inbetween times. I havent even touched this pack yet and Ive had it for nearly a week.
Yup, and therein lays the key! *You* are in control of it, rather than *IT* being in control of you. It's exactly the same with alcohol. Enjoy both responsibly, and you'll be fine. However, one of the most important things in life is to feel happy and contented, as it's good for the soul, so you need to be able to know HOW to enjoy yourself, too!
At the end of the day, we all have our vices:)
I still believe its 90% peer pressure, trying to be cool and then the addiction takes hold in many people....it is a filthy habit and theres no denying that...
That's the indisputable truth! Luckily, even as a teenager, I never felt a need to 'follow the herd' or be part of 'the gang', in order to feel accepted, and instead was happy to do my own thing, and be accepted for it or not.
Having the desire to be independent instilled in you [being an individual, not simply a 'number'], at an early age, is actually very important for later in life, in terms of not being easily manipulated or controlled by 'the system'.
That's something more parents today should consider instilling in their children, if they want them to grow up with minds of their own. It's one of the reasons why I'm unwilling to entertain the subliminal mind-control/brainwashing, continually being drip-fed to us today by 'the system', others are seemingly only happy to accept.
Or perhaps they don't even realise that's what is happening....?;)
Marco [forever a free-thinker].
P.S Good like with the girly!
At work I always like to smoke standing next to a no-smoking sign. Fair enough that you can't smoke inside, but telling you where you can and can't smoke outside is taking the piss.
Love it [the non-conformity], and quite right, too!:D
Marco.
One guess left - you aren't really doing well at all.....
:whistle: :popcorn:
Marco.
At work I always like to smoke standing next to a no-smoking sign. Fair enough that you can't smoke inside, but telling you where you can and can't smoke outside is taking the piss.
As a matter of interest would you smoke in the grounds of a hospital though with signs all around forbidding you to do so ?. The other day I saw around a dozen people smoking
at the Royal Free in Hampstead in a smoke free area ! Amazing. Later that day a similar number were standing there non smoking !. So clearly a case of it only takes one and the
rest follow like sheep.
As a matter of interest would you smoke in the grounds of a hospital though with signs all around forbidding you to do so ?. .
Yes, have done, and at the airport too. If they seriously think I'm going to walk half a mile to have a ciggy they are out of their tiny minds. If you're outside them it is going to have zero chance of affecting anyone's health but your own so there is no justification for it beyond persecuting smokers 'for their own good.' And that sort of attitude makes me want to start punching people. I know that's wrong but it's the first place I go.
Yes, have done, and at the airport too.
Some of those signs at airports are there for a reason, due to fuel vapour etc.
My daughter went to vaping and quit smoking, and eventually quit vaping after 2 years or so. I think it is an amazing way for people to ease off tobacco. It works exactly like a smoke machine they use at light shows. So there is plenty of evidence that it’s not harmful. And, no butts on the ground.
But here in the US many states are passing laws against vaping! More of that, “For your own good”, bullcrap. “It has nicotine and that’s a drug, blah blah”, As long as cigs are for sale over the counter, who cares? They are probably just wanting to tax it, to make up for all the taxes they loose when people stop smoking. To screw with the number one method people are using to stop smoking is just wrong, with no studies, or data, they just act on fear mongering nonsense.
Russell
Some of those signs at airports are there for a reason, due to fuel vapour etc.
Well yes but I'm not airside when I'm doing it and you don't often see them stockpiling kerosene on the pavement outside the entrance to the terminal. (Well, maybe in France).
:whistle: :popcorn:
Marco.
Not really sure what you're waiting for Marco - you had your three guesses ..... ;)
My daughter went to vaping and quit smoking, and eventually quit vaping after 2 years or so. I think it is an amazing way for people to ease off tobacco. It works exactly like a smoke machine they use at light shows. So there is plenty of evidence that it’s not harmful. And, no butts on the ground.
But here in the US many states are passing laws against vaping! More of that, “For your own good”, bullcrap. “It has nicotine and that’s a drug, blah blah”, As long as cigs are for sale over the counter, who cares? They are probably just wanting to tax it, to make up for all the taxes they loose when people stop smoking. To screw with the number one method people are using to stop smoking is just wrong, with no studies, or data, they just act on fear mongering nonsense.
Russell
'Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims is the most oppressive.' C.S Lewis.
walpurgis
23-09-2018, 09:42
Kerosene is hardly going to burst into flames with somebody having a fag nearby anyway. If you drop a lit match into some, it will just extinguish the match.
My daughter went to vaping and quit smoking, and eventually quit vaping after 2 years or so. I think it is an amazing way for people to ease off tobacco. It works exactly like a smoke machine they use at light shows. So there is plenty of evidence that it’s not harmful. And, no butts on the ground.
But here in the US many states are passing laws against vaping! More of that, “For your own good”, bullcrap. “It has nicotine and that’s a drug, blah blah”, As long as cigs are for sale over the counter, who cares? They are probably just wanting to tax it, to make up for all the taxes they loose when people stop smoking. To screw with the number one method people are using to stop smoking is just wrong, with no studies, or data, they just act on fear mongering nonsense.
Russell
Vaping is classed as a nicotine product in the UK as well Russell, so effectively banned in all places where cigs are banned - don't look to be any change to that over here either .... despite the Health Services promoting vaping as a effective cessation method :scratch:
Kerosene is hardly going to burst into flames with somebody having a fag nearby anyway. If you drop a lit match into some, it will just extinguish the match.
Would have thought the vapours (from refuelling, etc) would be liable? ... but must admit I've never really given it any thought, not places I visit often...
Would have thought the vapours (from refuelling, etc) would be liable? ... but must admit I've never really given it any thought, not places I visit often...
sure the vapors can explode but you would need to be quite close to a lot of the stuff. i few hundred yards away is fine...a few thousand as you will be outside a teminal is nonsense; its as macca says to put the bad people out of eyesight of good people
Never seems to stop the RAF pilots in old war films, they've always got a fag or a pipe on the go.
If we'd had health and safety and the nanny state back then we'd all be speaking German now.
Never seems to stop the RAF pilots in old war films, they've always got a fag or a pipe on the go.
yup and spitties used gasolene.... i used to work with highly flammable liquids for years and never caused a fire through smoking, and was sometimes really close
Kerosene is hardly going to burst into flames with somebody having a fag nearby anyway. If you drop a lit match into some, it will just extinguish the match.
So what affect does the sun beating down on a metallic sstructure full of kerosene, with a built in ventilation system and a system designed to avoid over pressurisation have? There is a reason you can’t smoke airside, even though Jet A1 is relatively safe.
People that smoke next to no smoking signs in order to “rebel” make me laugh....
So what affect does the sun beating down on a metallic sstructure full of kerosene, with a built in ventilation system and a system designed to avoid over pressurisation have? There is a reason you can’t smoke airside, even though Jet A1 is relatively safe.
People that smoke next to no smoking signs in order to “rebel” make me laugh....
Rebel? Rebel against what?
walpurgis
23-09-2018, 09:59
I think we should rebel against people that think we shouldn't rebel. It's a basic principle of freedom. :)
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but smoke? no way jose
Rebel? Rebel against what?
Being told where you can or cannot smoke.
Obviously as a smoker, half a mile could be a bit much to walk at some stage....
As a non-smoker who has seen the effect the habit has on people close to me, I am quite happy that there are smoking zones so that I don’t have to put up with other peoples dirty habits.
Being told where you can or cannot smoke.
Obviously as a smoker, half a mile could be a bit much to walk at some stage....
As a non-smoker who has seen the effect the habit has on people close to me, I am quite happy that there are smoking zones so that I don’t have to put up with other peoples dirty habits.
No, I just do it to piss off self-righteous wankers. Although I should point out that even outside I will smoke well away from any non-smokers, and not stand right in the entrance.
It's a shame they don't concentrate their energies on something that is actually very harmful, like diesel emissions. Maybe if they'd done that there wouldn't be so many asthmatics around. I suppose that hits them too close to home though.
nonuffin
23-09-2018, 10:35
From age 16 you can: (Scotland)
Leave school
If you are 16 between 1 March and 30 September you can leave after 31 May of that year. If you are 16 between 1 October and the last day of February you can leave at the start of the Christmas holidays in that school year
Leave home
Without your parent or guardian's consent
Get married
Enter into a civil partnership
Consent to lawful sexual intercourse
Get a full-time job and pay National Insurance
Get the National Minimum Wage
At the rate for 16 and 17 year olds
Get a skin piercing, without parental consent
Under 16s need to be accompanied by a person with parental rights and responsibilities, who gives written consent to a piercing
Apply for a 10-year passport
Be legally responsible for babysitting
Buy a pet
Enter into a legally-binding contract
If you are under 16, you can also do this if the contract is usual for someone of your age and its terms are not unreasonable
Get access to adoption records
If you are adopted
Record a change of name officially
Without parental consent
From age 16 you could:
Be prosecuted in the District, Sheriff or High Court
Under 16 you can be prosecuted in either the Sheriff Court or High Court, but only on the instructions of the Lord Advocate
Be sent to a Young Offenders' Institution
From age 16 you must:
Pay a full fare on buses and trains
Unless you have a concession card
From age 16 you can:
Consume beer, wine or cider
With a meal in a restaurant
Hold a licence to pilot a glider
Hold a licence to drive a moped
Buy National Lottery tickets and bet on the football pools
Buy Premium Bonds
Consent to medical treatment
If you are under 16 you can also consent to medical treatment if you are capable of understanding the nature and possible consequences of the procedure and treatment
Join the Armed Forces
Army, Navy and Air Force (most trades)
Not as an officer
Need parental consent (if under 18)
Can apply from 15 years 9 months
Stand for election as a Community Councillor:
16 is the recommended minimum age at which you can stand for election as a Community Councillor
From age 17 you can:
Hold a licence to drive a car, small motorcycle or tractor
Hold a private pilot's licence for an aeroplane
Give blood
Train to be an officer in the Armed Forces:
Army from 17 years 9 months
Navy from 17 years
Air Force from 17 years 6 months
Train to be non-commissioned aircrew in the RAF
but smoke? no way jose
Always amazed me that you can legally have sex at the age of 16, but you are not allowed to watch even simulated sex in the cinema or via recorded programmes on DVD until you are aged 18.
nonuffin
23-09-2018, 10:44
It's a shame they don't concentrate their energies on something that is actually very harmful, like diesel emissions. Maybe if they'd done that there wouldn't be so many asthmatics around. I suppose that hits them too close to home though.
Quick to put messages on fag packets saying that smoking kills, yet you never see any vehicle with the same slogan saying "Vehicles kill", which they do.
When they decided to de-brand all fag packets, they never once considered the poor shop assistants who are doing Stevie Wonder impersonations standing in front of the sea of identical packets looking for your brand and fighting with the sliding doors which never stay still, asking for the third time which ones you want. Poor buggers.
Quick to put messages on fag packets saying that smoking kills, yet you never see any vehicle with the same slogan saying "Vehicles kill", which they do.
When they decided to de-brand all fag packets, they never once considered the poor shop assistants who are doing Stevie Wonder impersonations standing in front of the sea of identical packets looking for your brand and fighting with the sliding doors which never stay still, asking for the third time which ones you want. Poor buggers.
Yes those idiotic cupboards they have to hide it all in. The whole thing is so retarded it doesn't really bear thinking about.
nonuffin
23-09-2018, 10:53
As a matter of interest would you smoke in the grounds of a hospital though with signs all around forbidding you to do so ?. The other day I saw around a dozen people smoking
at the Royal Free in Hampstead in a smoke free area ! Amazing. Later that day a similar number were standing there non smoking !. So clearly a case of it only takes one and the
rest follow like sheep.
At our hospitals they have installed an exclusion zone encompassing the entire estate of the hospital, while at the same time the cars, buses, taxis and ambulances pass in front of the main entrance pumping out fumes by the ton. That really is double standards in my book and if I stuffed all 20 fags in my mouth and smoked it would be infitessimally small by comparison.
Yes same here, and most of the buses are so clapped out they pump out a smokescreen that would hide a flotilla.
its because smoking has been prohibited and vehicles have not, so if they dont ban then they are open to lawsuits.
Not really sure what you're waiting for Marco....
The answer?:)
Or are you....
https://youtu.be/qsjzcT1QKYs
:D
Marco.
The answer?:)
Or are you....
:D
Marco.
The answers fucking simple mate - I hate cabbage, always have ...... end of.
Not really sure why you are banging on about it for so long - it's only cabbage ... other brassica are available :lol: :rofl: :lol:
The answers fucking simple mate - I hate cabbage, always have ...... end of.
Have you only had it boiled to buggery, though?:D
If so, you haven't *actually* tasted cabbage, just green mush!:ner::lol:
;)
Marco.
Hahaha... Lunch calls, and some nice steamed, buttery, peppery, properly-cooked cabbage awaits!:D:eek:
MMMmmm... YUM, YUM!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
23-09-2018, 14:23
The answers fucking simple mate - I hate cabbage, always have ...... end of.
Not really sure why you are banging on about it for so long - it's only cabbage ... other brassica are available :lol: :rofl: :lol:
I bet you feel the same about horse manure, Mike. A lot of people feel the same way about it, but I think they're not giving it a fair go.
The trick is to steam it for a VERY short time -don't boil, it'll just turn to slop. Then while it's still hot add some ground ginger and some previously pan-fried diced onion. Some prefer to feed the ginger and onion to the horse, to give it time to marinade in the horse's gut, but I found the results to vary quite a bit as different horses do different size shits.
The only problem is that it can be a little low on nutrients, so serving with dog vomit can restore some protein and iron.
Sorry Marco, couldn't resist! Personally I only like Savoy cabbage, and even that doesn't seem as good as it used to, a lot less green for some reason.
I love cabbage, or collards, pretty much any kind of greens, as long as they are cooked with a large piece of pork side meat! That is the trick to good greens.
Russell
Pigmy Pony
23-09-2018, 17:23
As with everything. If you start with crap ingredients, the meal is doomed, no matter how handy you are in the kitchen.
I've just got back from a carvery meal, and I'd say it's the best I've ever had. And all the ingredients seemed to be of a high quality, at least for an uneducated oik like me. There were so many different things to choose from, and I chose ALL of them. Honestly the plate was piled so high you could ski down it in the winter.
Now I'm back home, with the laptop resting comfortably on my greatly enlarged belly. Too full for a dessert, so I'll give it an hour then go seek out some ice cream. :)
Stratmangler
23-09-2018, 17:33
Did someone mention horse manure?
https://i.postimg.cc/s24byf8D/Man_Yoo.jpg
Pigmy Pony
23-09-2018, 17:42
Probably very tasty, but the presentation could be better.
As with everything. If you start with crap ingredients, the meal is doomed, no matter how handy you are in the kitchen.
Generally that's true, although good cooks can also make the best out of mediocre ingredients, simply by knowing how to 'cheer them up'/maximise the flavour:)
A good example is bog-standard (battery farmed) supermarket chicken, which on its own, tastes of cardboard, but cooked well, with a nice sauce/gravy, to lift the blandness, and/or the judicious use of herbs and spices, said 'chicken' is transformed into something that's approaching edible!
I've just got back from a carvery meal, and I'd say it's the best I've ever had. And all the ingredients seemed to be of a high quality, at least for an uneducated oik like me. There were so many different things to choose from, and I chose ALL of them. Honestly the plate was piled so high you could ski down it in the winter.
Lol... Now you see that's a personal bugbear of mine! Firstly, greedy-guts, I hope you ate it all, and didn't waste any because 'your eyes were bigger than your stomach' (as my mum used to say);)
Secondly, I *really* hate plates piled up high with food, so that everything is all crammed together in one big 'homogenised mess'.
I just think it looks bad [as I'm someone who values nice presentation, otherwise I can find food distinctly unappetising], plus it makes you feel obliged to finish it all, which is the easiest way to eat more than you need, and end up a porker....
With a carvery, I prefer to start off with small amounts of food on my plate, which I know I'll eat, then go back for more, once that's finished, and repeat the process until I'm sated. After all, rationing isn't in place, and the next lot of grub will be both fresher and warmer than the food mountain that's growing cold on your plate!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
23-09-2018, 18:35
Leaving some food uneaten on my plate? Really? We haven't met have we? :) I NEVER leave anything, and always know what I can and cannot manage. I come from a time when food wasn't wasted, and I never do. One of the worst sounds to me is the sound of food being scraped into a bin. Winds me up.
I certainly piled it high, but it didn't turn into a mass of crap, any more than the Sagrada Familia is a pile of rocks. And In any case I'm not too worried about how photogenic my meal is. It's only 24 hours from toilet, for God's sake (I could hear Gene Pitney singing that last bit). I have always had a good appetite, and don't need my food to look pretty to tempt me.
And if I cared what others thought of my "foodus operandi" I'd be more concerned about being "that greedy pig who's going back yet again for more - maybe he doesn't get fed at home"
So there! Now where's that ice cream?
:D:D
Just shows how we're different! Glad you don't waste food, as it makes my blood boil, especially the fat bastards who pile their plates up high, then leave half of it, which often happens at carveries, with the desserts, (as they've usually stuffed themselves to the gunnels by then)!:steam:
I'd make the greedy fuckers pay for their wastage!!
Anyway, I bet when you have folks round for lunch or dinner, you bring out plates of food to the table, already filled with what you've 'guessed' is going to be enough for them, or what they'd have picked (say, veg-wise) from the selection offered, rather than supplying them with empty plates, and a some bowls filled with whatever food is being served, so that they can help themselves?
The former is a very British thing, and the latter is the continental way;)
I really hate folk trying to predict what I'm going to eat! Biggest bugbear? My plate piled up high with potatoes, as Brits are obsessed with them (I don't take many, preferring veg instead), and then feeling obliged to eat them all, so as not to offend.....!:doh:
Marco.
Being a chap blessed with an " ample physic " as Alan Shaw of Harbeth fame once called me I rather enjoy the extreme looks of panic on the faces of restaurant staff in the eat all you can style establishments when I walk in. In actual fact I have quite a small appetite and only eat modest meals just twice a day ( this down to my faulty metabolism ).
Being a chap blessed with an " ample physic " as Alan Shaw of Harbeth fame once called me I rather enjoy the extreme looks of panic on the faces of restaurant staff in the eat all you can style establishments when I walk in.
Ha - love it, Ian!:D:eyebrows:
Btw, did you tell AS he was a cheeky bastard?;)
Marco.
Ha - love it, Ian!:D:eyebrows:
Btw, did you tell AS he was a cheeky bastard?;)
Marco.
Alan comes across as a very thoughtful and considered type but I have seen his desk upended and the thick black lines from his expensive Mercedes tyres when he is feeling miffed. As I was just a humble employee I felt it best not to provoke him into a paddy.
He was very interested in my bass rig from my band days, that was until he lifted the twin 15" Electrovoice cab and put his back out, oh how we laughed.
:D:D
Just shows how we're different! Glad you don't waste food, as it makes my blood boil, especially the fat bastards who pile their plates up high, then leave half of it, which often happens at carveries, with the desserts, (as they've usually stuffed themselves to the gunnels by then)!:steam:
I'd make the greedy fuckers pay for their wastage!!
Anyway, I bet when you have folks round for lunch or dinner, you bring out plates of food to the table, already filled with what you've 'guessed' is going to be enough for them, or what they'd have picked (say, veg-wise) from the selection offered, rather than supplying them with empty plates, and a some bowls filled with whatever food is being served, so that they can help themselves?
The former is a very British thing, and the latter is the continental way;)
I really hate folk trying to predict what I'm going to eat! Biggest bugbear? My plate piled up high with potatoes, as Brits are obsessed with them (I don't take many, preferring veg instead), and then feeling obliged to eat them all, so as not to offend.....!:doh:
Marco.
In China its only good manners to leave some food on the plate:ner:
Excellent, I shall tell my hosts next time that I'm adopting the 'Chinese approach' to dining, or pop the unwanted tatties in Del's handbag:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
24-09-2018, 07:18
In China its only good manners to leave some food on the plate:ner:
It's also perfectly ok for them to hawk up and spit out huge grolleys in public. I won't be taking etiquette advice from them, or any other tiger farmers*
*Source UN Chronicle
My ex mother-in-law used to reach older my shoulder and add food to my plate while I was still eating! And what’s worse, she was a terrible cook! She made a roast, potatoes, and NO GRAVY? And had to saw the roast into planks with a carpenter’s hand saw!
So! We’ll just go out to eat, problem solved! But wait, my ex father-in-law wanted to argue the check with the manager every time, embarrassing me to no end. I could write a book about the worst in-laws in the world, but I’ll save that for another time. Needless to say I don’t miss them, not even a little. However, my ex was a very good cook! I guess that’s why they cried so loud at our wedding?
Russell
Pigmy Pony
24-09-2018, 08:04
My ex mother-in-law used to reach older my shoulder and add food to my plate while I was still eating! And what’s worse, she was a terrible cook! She made a roast, potatoes, and NO GRAVY? And had to saw the roast into planks with a carpenter’s hand saw!
So! We’ll just go out to eat, problem solved! But wait, my ex father-in-law wanted to argue the check with the manager every time, embarrassing me to no end. I could write a book about the worst in-laws in the world, but I’ll save that for another time. Needless to say I don’t miss them, not even a little. However, my ex was a very good cook! I guess that’s why they cried so loud at our wedding?
Russell
:lol: Eating out with the in-laws is just the worst!
Some of Mrs. P's family always order steak, and it's never done the way they want it. Underdone, overdone, too tough, too fatty. And I have to sit across from them, with faces like bulldogs licking piss off a thistle. I say, "Why don't you just order something else?" "Oh no, I like a good steak". Like a good whinge more like.
walpurgis
24-09-2018, 08:05
It's also perfectly ok for them to hawk up and spit out huge grolleys in public
That's the norm here. I can always tell when I'm getting near home by the amount of gob on the deck! You can even find the occasional dump here and there.
Pigmy Pony
24-09-2018, 08:23
That's the norm here. I can always tell when I'm getting near home by the amount of gob on the deck! You can even find the occasional dump here and there.
And we supposedly have more CCTV than any country in the world. CCTV + lazy policing = bog all done about anything. If it were up to me I'd track down the culprits, give 'em a good slapping and make them take their turds home. In their pockets, with nothing to put it in.
:lol: Eating out with the in-laws is just the worst!
Some of Mrs. P's family always order steak, and it's never done the way they want it. Underdone, overdone, too tough, too fatty. And I have to sit across from them, with faces like bulldogs licking piss off a thistle. I say, "Why don't you just order something else?" "Oh no, I like a good steak". Like a good whinge more like.
I honestly don’t think I could work in a restaurant. I always leave a good tip, when deserving, and try to be as easy to get along with as possible. But if I had to deal with people like I’ve been out to eat with, I’d be physically ejecting them from the premises! And I fear my tips would suffer.
Russell
Excellent, I shall tell my hosts next time that I'm adopting the 'Chinese approach' to dining, or pop the unwanted tatties in Del's handbag:D
Marco.
if you clear your plate there they take it as an insult that they never gave you enough food.
if you clear your plate there they take it as an insult that they never gave you enough food.
Exactly my point, so therefore, as a host, don't try and predict how much I'll eat!;)
Put some food out on the table, and I'll help myself, and then be in control of when I've had enough:)
Marco.
That's the norm here. I can always tell when I'm getting near home by the amount of gob on the deck! You can even find the occasional dump here and there.
Jeez, there are some right filthy animals where you live, mate.... :rolleyes:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
24-09-2018, 08:57
if you clear your plate there they take it as an insult that they never gave you enough food.
Might explain the portion sizes at my local Chinese takeaway. Me and Anita often share, as there is too much for one person.
Does you two meals though, which is good:)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
24-09-2018, 09:05
Does you two meals though, which is good:)
Marco.
Yes absolutely, and I've no intention of telling the proprietor this - don't want to spoil a good thing. :)
Lol - I think they'll know full well, as it'll all be costed out and factored into the equation, for securing your repeat custom. The profit margins in the takeaway food business are excellent (I know this from experience, as my parents ran fish & chip shops for years), so the cost of any 'excess food' can easily be absorbed.
The reality is that if a food takeaway business is being run properly (and profitably), then there is no valid reason not to give customers more food than most of them will eat in one meal, knowing that if the quality is good, they'll soon be back for more, which they're unlikely to do if they're left feeling 'shortchanged'...;)
Our local Indian takeaway offers a deal whereby, for an extra £1.65 (baring in mind that most of their main curries are under £6, as standard), you can 'go large' with the main curry, whether it be chicken, lamb, veg or whatever, and you get an extra medium-sized container, jam-packed FULL of whatever curry it is you've ordered - baring in mind too that their standard containers are twice the size of the ones that the likes of rice normally comes in, and they're also filled to the brim!:eek:
So for less than £8, you're getting a huge container full of (top-notch) curry, plus an extra medium-sized one. Therefore, with rice (which is similarly plentiful) and a Nan bread, there's usually enough food for me, for THREE meals, never mind two!:D
And clearly it's profitable, as they've been doing it here for years:)
Marco.
Minstrel SE
29-09-2018, 15:30
Yep cigs have gone....did it for a week and gave away half the pack, finally giving the rest of them to a random bloke in the pub
Couldnt taste them in the end (and these were benson Gold) wasnt getting much out of them and definately wasnt enjoying them. All it did was make the back of my lungs feel iffy.
Peer pressure eh? I will just stick to the booze and horse tranquilizers...only joking :)
Filthy habit :)
Pigmy Pony
29-09-2018, 16:50
That reminds me of a TV programme I saw a while ago, where there was this young bloke who took horse tranquilisers (ketamine) recreationally.
Anyway, he was asked what his normal dosage was, then they gave that amount to a horse (obviously the horse was being prepped for some procedure, otherwise that would be just cruel)… and the horse went down like a sack of shit. The bloke was astounded, and vowed never to take the stuff again, but you just know he would be bragging about it in the pub that night.
walpurgis
29-09-2018, 17:03
Yep cigs have gone....
Filthy habit :)
Well done Martin. Now you'll have a bit more cash to put towards your other filthy habits! ;)
That reminds me of a TV programme I saw a while ago, where there was this young bloke who took horse tranquilisers (ketamine) recreationally.
Anyway, he was asked what his normal dosage was, then they gave that amount to a horse (obviously the horse was being prepped for some procedure, otherwise that would be just cruel)… and the horse went down like a sack of shit. The bloke was astounded, and vowed never to take the stuff again, but you just know he would be bragging about it in the pub that night.
ketamine is technically an anesthetic not a horse tranquilizer ... it is used also for an antidepressant too but in much smaller doses ... vets do use it as well as they do many human drugs.
Pigmy Pony
29-09-2018, 17:16
Neigh..surely not!
sq225917
29-09-2018, 18:10
I know a couple of vets who use it...
Pigmy Pony
30-09-2018, 10:14
ketamine is technically an anesthetic not a horse tranquilizer ... it is used also for an antidepressant too but in much smaller doses ... vets do use it as well as they do many human drugs.
What's the difference between anaesthetic and tranquiliser?
walpurgis
05-11-2018, 22:28
On a whim, I ordered some chocolate flavour vape liquid. It's a bloody peculiar taste, rather thick and rich, but hardly anything like chocolate at all. Won't bother with that one again!
Pigmy Pony
06-11-2018, 17:02
What's wrong with tobacco flavoured vaping? World's going mental. If I wanted chocolate flavour I'd just eat an Aero.
walpurgis
06-11-2018, 17:17
What's wrong with tobacco flavoured vaping? World's going mental. If I wanted chocolate flavour I'd just eat an Aero.
The point being that it's not smoking, so can taste of anything. I have the tobacco flavour, it's OK. But so are some of the alternatives.
Pigmy Pony
06-11-2018, 17:22
I imagine dog turd flavour could help you quit. :)
I’ve still not had a ciggy since stopping about 6 weeks ago [emoji16]
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Well done Andy. You should be proud.
Pigmy Pony
08-11-2018, 07:54
Yes, that is good going. And how long since you gave up the NS1000Ms? That must be tough too.
Ah well you see it was the trauma of letting the Yamaha’s go that helped me forget the addiction.
Pigmy Pony
08-11-2018, 19:02
Ah yes, punch yourself in the face to distract yourself from the itchy ballbag. :D
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