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Pieoftheday
19-05-2018, 12:02
Anyone watching? I took the dog out and have missed a lot:eyebrows:
The Black Adder
19-05-2018, 12:25
Yep... The kids loved it.
It went on a bit though... Lol
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walpurgis
19-05-2018, 12:30
I've made a point of ignoring it!
nonuffin
19-05-2018, 12:48
I've made a point of ignoring it!
Wise man
Worth it all just to hear the gospel choir, and a fire breathing American pastor socking it to the Royals!
what wedding?
I was going to ask that.
Ninanina
19-05-2018, 14:41
I've made a point to not watch one second of it and have also not watched any news leading up to it, and won't this evening either, as I don't want to know anything about it and could not be more disinterested ;)
I can't stand the lot of them
Beautiful day for it and the troops looked very smart. Good to see it all went off well.
prestonchipfryer
19-05-2018, 14:58
I enjoyed every moment and wish them all the very best in life. Happiness is hard to come by for some in this world. It was lovely seeing all the crowds enjoying the event. :)
They are at complete irrelevance AFAIC. About as interesting as the Kardashians or the Ozbornes are in America. I just can't be arsed with "celebrities" in general and that's all our Royals are to me these days.
Ninanina
19-05-2018, 15:16
They are at complete irrelevance AFAIC. About as interesting as the Kardashians or the Ozbornes are in America. I just can't be arsed with "celebrities" in general and that's all our Royals are to me these days.
My thoughts exactly Andy.. I don't "do" celebs either, they just don't hold any interest to me
It's quite entertaining to spend a few minutes listening to overpaid TV presenters struggling to think of banal things to say throughout the long days and nights of the coverage.
Ninanina
19-05-2018, 16:08
It's quite entertaining to spend a few minutes listening to overpaid TV presenters struggling to think of banal things to say throughout the long days and nights of the coverage.
They are probably bored stiff as well and I can't blame them :doh:
Approximately two billion people just saw a bit of what this country’s all about. Considering the position we find ourselves in, I’d say that was money well spent. You couldn’t buy s target audience that big any other way.
Ninanina
19-05-2018, 17:26
Approximately two billion people just saw a bit of what this country’s all about. Considering the position we find ourselves in, I’d say that was money well spent. You couldn’t buy s target audience that big any other way.
That only proves to me that there were two billion people that had nothing else better to do :lol:
A huge boost to the UK economy apparently - and god knows we need it ...
Despite being a staunch republican I actually enjoyed the spectacular show ... the US preacher was brilliant too.
The British Royal family is a sacred institution. Not individually of course but you salute the rank not the man.
It's part of the glue that binds the country together. 1000 years of shared history and tradition. You start getting rid of that because you don't see the point of it and you'll end up with a country full sociopaths and psychopaths, the whole tribal/social thing will break down.
Pigmy Pony
19-05-2018, 17:56
Try as I might, I can't think of anything to say about this, such is the depth and breadth of my apathy. I suppose the interest shown by the rest of the world has to be a good thing though.
I will say that Princess Meg look nice though. When she was in "Suits" I thought her face was a funny shape, like all her features had fallen to the bottom of her face, but now she looks a lot more normal. :)
And Harry was just a :carrot: dressed up.
So it was a royal wedding. Never even heard of princess meg.
I must be well out of date. Doh
farflungstar
19-05-2018, 18:00
I've spoken with my spanish students (all republican) and say this. If the royal family are in it for themselves then they airways have an eye on two things, the country and their future. A president thinks of himself and only of 5 years. I don't agree with extended family having the life of Riley, but the Queen and her children all do a great deal for the country, for themselves maybe - but we live in it and share the benefits. No monarch wants to reign over a country populated with sick, unemployed, disaffected people. Politicians fuck things up, set the taxes, hold referendums etc. We vote for them and pay for our mistakes. That's democracy. But the one constant eye that guards the future is in the palace.
walpurgis
19-05-2018, 18:20
Our Royals didn't choose to be who they are, they were born into it. I guess they could opt out, but what would happen to them? They'd be vulnerable to every nutter out there, just for being who they are. It's not a situation I'd want to be confronted with.
However, I think it's wrong for an individual or individuals to be put on pedestals and regarded with awe, this is complete nonsense. These people are exactly that, just people and no different to you or I!
The French and Russians found their own solutions. But that's just not British................I expect!
walpurgis
19-05-2018, 18:24
Never even heard of princess meg
Former porn star I believe. :D
The British Royal family is a sacred institution. Not individually of course but you salute the rank not the man.
It's part of the glue that binds the country together. 1000 years of shared history and tradition. You start getting rid of that because you don't see the point of it and you'll end up with a country full sociopaths and psychopaths, the whole tribal/social thing will break down.
And if they get too uppity, we just chop their heads off.
walpurgis
19-05-2018, 18:26
And if they get too uppity, we just chop their heads off.
As Cromwell said.
Not anti royals by any means. The main ones have their uses and are worth their salt And you can't really have them living in a tenement. But, there are far too many hangers on. Tbh I'd have them before politicians.
And that goes for hookers too
chris@panteg
19-05-2018, 18:33
I watched some of it and skipped over a few bits but I'm happy for them both, it's given a lot of people a lift, not a bad thing.
Audio Al
19-05-2018, 18:36
Wedding :scratch: What wedding :scratch::scratch:
narabdela
19-05-2018, 19:44
The French and Russians found their own solutions. But that's just not British................I expect!
Give it time. :whistle:
Not anti royals by any means. The main ones have their uses and are worth their salt And you can't really have them living in a tenement. But, there are far too many hangers on. Tbh I'd have them before politicians.
And that goes for hookers too
I'm not sure what rugby's got to do with it? But yeah, whatever :)
I have zero interest whatsoever in royal babies. weddings, etc. The only things that interested me on TV yesterday were the two cup finals, in Scotland and England! However, even though I'm not a royalist, I wish the couple well and that they have a long, healthy and happy life together.
The thing that pisses me off is the media saturation, which is ridiculously over the top [they're still going on about it now on the news, and no doubt will be all week:rolleyes:], and in particular the automatic presumption that YOU wanted to know every minute detail of the wedding, 24/7 - and worse were 'all excited' about it :doh:
Well listen up... No, we fucking weren't! :nono: And the BBC are the worst culprits for this type of blanket 'frenzy' over anything royal family-related.
They, and the rest of the media, need to acknowledge that the country doesn't SOLELY consist of royal-family fanboys (and girls), and that those people's recent interests (anything *but* the Royal wedding), should've been equally catered for, as there are a damn sight more important things happening in the world, which deserve that type of intensive media scrutiny instead.
Anyway, that aside, good luck to the couple concerned!:cool:
Marco.
If it occupied 90% of the news all year I think you'd have a point but it has only been for a week. If the BBC don't allocate enough time to it they get complaints. For every one of us who is largely indifferent or against the whole thing there are ten who are very keen on it.
You've always got the option not to watch the news whilst it is going on. I mean I've got no interest in the tennis so I don't watch all the Wimbledon coverage which takes over the BBC for two weeks every year but I don't complain about it. World Cup is coming up now and no doubt there are a shedload of people who couldn't get enough of the royal wedding who will have zero interest in that. Does that mean it shouldn't be all over the news for a fortnight? There's got to be a bit of give and take with regard to these things.
I absolutely agree with you Marco, but I’m going to turn your argument inside out. I’m fed up to the back teeth with the enormous attention given in the media to teams of millionaire oafs whose only talent is to be able to run round a field for 90 minutes in their underwear chasing a ball. Day after day, month after month, year after year the media are drenched with their antics and the minutiae of their worthless lives . At least royal weddings only happen every few years, and we won’t get another one for the next twenty years at least.
We'll have a coronation before that though.
I suspect they might show a bit of that on the telly...
walpurgis
20-05-2018, 07:53
We'll have a coronation before that though.
And a funeral or two.
And a funeral or two.
And some more royal babies.
I suppose years ago it was a bit of a ballache but now there are so many TV channels there is no excuse for complaining that it's occupying all the media. Just turn over and watch Wheeler Dealers or Salvage Hunters or something instead.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 08:23
I'm not sure what rugby's got to do with it? But yeah, whatever :)
A rugby playing prostitute? That could get a bit rough, sign me up
walpurgis
20-05-2018, 08:26
I suppose years ago it was a bit of a ballache but now there are so many TV channels there is no excuse for complaining that it's occupying all the media. Just turn over and watch Wheeler Dealers or Salvage Hunters or something instead.
That's what I did. Not Salvage Hunters though, that Drew gets on my tits.
That's what I did. Not Salvage Hunters though, that Drew gets on my tits.
He did me to begin with but I've started to warm to him a bit. He's got a good eye.
Pieoftheday
20-05-2018, 09:43
The Windsor's Royal Wedding with Harry Enfield was very good:)
chris@panteg
20-05-2018, 09:55
The Windsor's Royal Wedding with Harry Enfield was very good:)
That made laugh when Harry's character said for the stag night he's really going to tone it down! Get smashed then maybe a casino, nightclub and a brothel to finish off.
And a funeral or two.
Evan that’s got to be more entertaining than the average football match!
If it occupied 90% of the news all year I think you'd have a point but it has only been for a week.
Seems like a damn sight longer!;)
You've always got the option not to watch the news whilst it is going on. I mean I've got no interest in the tennis so I don't watch all the Wimbledon coverage which takes over the BBC for two weeks every year but I don't complain about it. World Cup is coming up now and no doubt there are a shedload of people who couldn't get enough of the royal wedding who will have zero interest in that. Does that mean it shouldn't be all over the news for a fortnight? There's got to be a bit of give and take with regard to these things.
Sure, I'm all for give and take. The problem for me though, aside from the news, is twofold:
1) Outside of the news, I don't expect to hear about the bloody wedding during programmes that are completely unrelated to it, such like (as happened) during a cookery or sport programme, or on any of the soaps. Keep it *strictly* to the news, or programmes entitled 'Get all your royal wedding news here'.
2) When reporting on it, don't *automatically presume* that those watching are 'cock-a-hoop' about the whole thing, and can't sleep without knowing what the bride's hair will be like, what the style of her dress will be, or some other such banality, as a significant percentage of the audience won't GIVE A FUCK.
Life doesn't revolve around royal weddings. Simples! :cool:
Marco.
P.S Shane, I'll get to your point later. Just going out for Sunday lunch.
2) When reporting on it, don't *automatically presume* that those watching are 'cock-a-hoop' about the whole thing, and can't sleep without knowing what the bride's hair will be like, what the style of her dress will be, or some other such banality, as a significant percentage of the audience won't GIVE A FUCK..
I'm not sure how that would work. Would a reporter be allowed to say, as an aside 'Look, I'm as bored with this as you are, but I've got to pretend to care'? Would that be OK whatever the person was reporting on (Brexit, football, Trump's latest nonsense)? Reporters have to work on the basis that those watching are interested in what they're reporting on. Personally, I never watch the TV news, and switch off the radio news once they've got past the main headlines. I've successfully managed to avoid all coverage of the royal wedding simply by doing more gardening.
walpurgis
20-05-2018, 12:51
I've successfully managed to avoid all coverage of the royal wedding simply by doing more gardening.
Much the same here.
I'm not sure how that would work. Would a reporter be allowed to say, as an aside 'Look, I'm as bored with this as you are, but I've got to pretend to care'? Would that be OK whatever the person was reporting on (Brexit, football, Trump's latest nonsense)? Reporters have to work on the basis that those watching are interested in what they're reporting on. Personally, I never watch the TV news, and switch off the radio news once they've got past the main headlines. I've successfully managed to avoid all coverage of the royal wedding simply by doing more gardening.
I did mean to watch the wedding (or at least have it on in the background while I did something else. But I forgot all about it until Geoff reminded me. So I don't know what category that puts me in. Certainly when I was younger I would have had no truck with it at all but now it does vaguely interest me. I quite like a bit of pomp and circumstance. I usually have The Trooping Of The Colour on too, if I remember that it is happening.
I'm not sure how that would work. Would a reporter be allowed to say, as an aside 'Look, I'm as bored with this as you are, but I've got to pretend to care'? Would that be OK whatever the person was reporting on (Brexit, football, Trump's latest nonsense)? Reporters have to work on the basis that those watching are interested in what they're reporting on. Personally, I never watch the TV news, and switch off the radio news once they've got past the main headlines. I've successfully managed to avoid all coverage of the royal wedding simply by doing more gardening.
Sure, but there's a difference between being interested in something, and obsessed - and automatically assuming that your audience falls into the latter category, by using language which conveys that. Such, as: 'Aren't we all so excited about the wedding tomorrow?', which is something I heard on Good Morning Britain.
Well, actually, no we're not.
Mention the subject, by all means, *if* it's relevant, and deal with it professionally, but don't automatically assume that viewers feel the same way about it as you. That's my point :)
Marco.
I quite like a bit of pomp and circumstance. I usually have The Trooping Of The Colour on too, if I remember that it is happening.
Lol - you're on your own there, then. That's something I'd avoid like the plague... I'd rather sit and watch cricket, and if you knew how I felt about cricket [and how achingly boring, to the point of slitting wrists, I find it], that's saying something! ;)
Marco.
Hi Shane,
I absolutely agree with you Marco, but I’m going to turn your argument inside out. I’m fed up to the back teeth with the enormous attention given in the media to teams of millionaire oafs whose only talent is to be able to run round a field for 90 minutes in their underwear chasing a ball. Day after day, month after month, year after year the media are drenched with their antics and the minutiae of their worthless lives.
I know where you're coming from, to an extent, but would have to dispute the latter. Unless you're watching the likes of 'Match of the Day', or reading the back pages of newspapers, or go looking for football in some other way, I'm not aware of the media 'drenching us in their antics', at anything like the level seen recently with this royal wedding.
Even when watching the news, the sport/football is always separate and tagged onto the end, so easily avoided.
Now if you'd said to me that when the likes of the World Cup is on (which it will be soon), the main TV channels are saturated with football coverage, in the way that the news was recently saturated with discussing the minutiae of the royal wedding, then you'd have a point, and I'd agree :)
However, even when the World Cup is on, you rarely see it completely taking over other programmes, which have nothing whatsoever to do with football, such I've seen this week with the royal wedding - and it's *that* which pisses me off most.
Things should be remain confined to within their relevant context, and so Jimmy, the footy fan, who's no more interested in hearing about royal weddings, during a cookery programme he happens to be watching, than Jeannie, the royal family fan, is interested in hearing about the World Cup, during say, an episode of Eastenders.
Keep things in their proper context. And if you want to descend into nationalistic 'fanboyism' levels, over a particular subject, then ensure that you're preaching to the converted.
That's my point! :cool:
Marco.
Sure, but there's a difference between being interested in something, and obsessed - and automatically assuming that your audience falls into the latter category, by using language which conveys that. Such, as: 'Aren't we all so excited about the wedding tomorrow?', which is something I heard on Good Morning Britain.
That was your big mistake, watching Good Morning Britain.
Lol... Del has it on in the morning to look at the time when she's getting ready for work! Yes, I know, there are plenty of other clocks in the house :doh:
Another example was the BBC's 'One Show', which for the whole week leading up the the royal wedding, hardly discussed anything else. I could go on... It would be just about tolerable if the news was filled with it, but when royal wedding obsession starts seeping into and dominating various other programmes, it's all just too much!
Marco.
I did mean to watch the wedding (or at least have it on in the background while I did something else. But I forgot all about it until Geoff reminded me. So I don't know what category that puts me in. Certainly when I was younger I would have had no truck with it at all but now it does vaguely interest me. I quite like a bit of pomp and circumstance. I usually have The Trooping Of The Colour on too, if I remember that it is happening.
Never have been interested in the Royal family, and never will be though I used to watch that Edinburgh Tattoo thing when I was a nipper. My wife watched most of the live broadcast, and the 'highlights' programme later on, but women are generally more interested in weddings, Royal or otherwise, than blokes are anyway.
Another example was the BBC's 'One Show'
I've often wondered who watched that. Does it still have that ugly bloke, what's his name, Adrian Childs, presenting it?
No, he's left.
I think you're highlighting the problem that if you haven't watched certain TV programmes, you won't have been aware of how much the royal wedding has dominated them in the past week!;)
After all, it's very easy to avoid something you haven't seen... But if you watch those programmes, expecting the content to varied in the usual way, and instead all you hear about is the bloody royal wedding, well, you can see my point?
Marco.
It's a pretty rare event a royal wedding so I guess overkill takes place reporting on it especially in these days of 24 hour rolling news. I am a royalist but I don't bang on about it, history 'innit.
As was commented on earlier we will get Wimbledon shoved down our throats soon and the world cup. Neither of these interest me and along with cricket and rugby I'd rather have experimental bowel surgery than sit through any of it. When we hosted the Olympics in 2012 the BBC opened up BBC3 24 hours to cover it, I know BBC3 is now internet only but if something similar was done for these events they might not irritate people so much, just a thought.
It's a pretty rare event a royal wedding so I guess overkill takes place reporting on it especially in these days of 24 hour rolling news. I am a royalist but I don't bang on about it, history 'innit.
I think the problem too is that you really need to be a flag-waving Brit, or a rampant royalist, to go 'all giddy' over royal weddings, and because I'm not (being first and foremost Italian, and not in any way a royalist), I simply can't relate to that mentality. If it's your 'bag' though, then fill your boots:)
What I have a (big) problem with, is the BBC (or any other broadcaster) essentially dictating to me what I should be 'excited' about.
As was commented on earlier we will get Wimbledon shoved down our throats soon and the world cup. Neither of these interest me and along with cricket and rugby I'd rather have experimental bowel surgery than sit through any of it.
Indeed, but as I said earlier, I don't see any of those dominating all sorts of other programmes, which have nothing to do with sport, to anything like such an extent as did coverage of the build up to the royal wedding.
I'd be confident that I could sit and watch a cookery programme all way through, and not hear any mention of, say, the Olympics.
That's the difference!:cool:
Marco.
If you're going to watch stuff like The One Show, Good Morning Britain and cooking shows that's that sort of thing your going to get. Those programmes are not aimed at your demographic. They are aimed at people who love weddings, celebrities and royals though.
I watched the FA cup final yesterday and there was no mention of the royal wedding. Then I watched 'Buck Rogers In The 25th Century' and you'd have thought that there was no royal wedding happening so studiously did they ignore the subject.
If you're going to watch stuff like The One Show, Good Morning Britain and cooking shows that's that sort of thing your going to get. Those programmes are not aimed at your demographic. They are aimed at people who love weddings, celebrities and royals though.
Lol - so what if I enjoy their content otherwise, should I just be expected suffer royal wedding mania? The programmes concerned are aimed at people who, at any other time, enjoy their normal content. I never watch the One Show or Good Morning Britain for royal wedding or banal celebrity nonsense.
I watch the One Show sometimes, depending on what guests they have on. If it's someone I like, then I watch it solely for that reason, or if they're covering a social welfare issue that interests me. And Good Morning Britain is simply on in the background whilst Del gets ready for work, although I do like when Piers Morgan, in his inimitable style, is laying into some unfortunate politician:D
The problem, as I've said before, is applying a blanket presumption on the likes or dislikes of your target audience. I should be able to cherry-pick what I want to see with such programmes, without being stopped from doing so, because something I have no interest in whatsoever has taken over the whole programme!
Marco.
If you're going to watch stuff like The One Show, Good Morning Britain and cooking shows that's that sort of thing your going to get. Those programmes are not aimed at your demographic. They are aimed at people who love weddings, celebrities and royals though.
I watched the FA cup final yesterday and there was no mention of the royal wedding. Then I watched 'Buck Rogers In The 25th Century' and you'd have thought that there was no royal wedding happening so studiously did they ignore the subject.
:rfl::rfl::rfl::rfl:
..I’m fed up to the back teeth with the enormous attention given in the media to teams of millionaire oafs whose only talent is to be able to run round a field for 90 minutes in their underwear chasing a ball. Day after day, month after month, year after year the media are drenched with their antics and the minutiae of their worthless lives .
Agree 1000%
If they'd stick to the sports pages and specialist programmes I'd be more than happy ... but unfortunately they don't :(
I agree that all the big events sporting or otherwise are completely overblown by the media, little wonder so many people get pissed off with them. This time next week it will be old news.
I just think the point is two young people got married, good luck and happiness to them.
This time next week it will be old news.
Yep - and it'll be back to Brexit with everything ......
I just think the point is two young people got married, good luck and happiness to them.
Yes, that I agree with, as indeed I said earlier:)
Marco.
Yep - and it'll be back to Brexit with everything ......
Now that's another thing if I hear one more bloody mention of again:steam:
Bores the fucking pants off me does that pish....
Marco.
Agree 1000%
If they'd stick to the sports pages and specialist programmes I'd be more than happy ... but unfortunately they don't :(
Hi Mike,
Could you provide some real-world examples of that, as I must be looking in the wrong places... The only time I've seen that kind of thing is when some 'playboy' footballer, or other sportsman, has been a 'naughty boy', as it were, so his misdemeanours are splattered all over the front pages instead!
Or we'll get it soon, when the English media go overboard, as usual, on England's chances of winning the World Cup!!:doh:
Sometimes I think they should be called the EBC, rather than the BBC;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 17:28
Hi Marco,
Not my argument I know, but here's a real-life example for you...
Mrs. P: "Bollocks! they've took off Coronation Street again to show a live football match featuring teams that only two towns in the whole country give a shit about."
"Never mind, they'll just show Corrie later, or tomorrow or something."
"Oh ok, they're putting it on at 10pm. I'll watch it then."
"Hang on, that clashes with my 'Sheep Diddlers caught on Camera' programme."
"Well record it and watch it after me Corrie is finished."
"So it'll be 11.30 by the time it's finished, and I wanted an early night, what with having to perform brain surgery on that ginger bloke tomorrow. Plus, you know how my programme gets me fired up, and you'll be asleep by then."
But this inconvenience is only for one week every ten years or so, right? WRONG! It happens time and time again, and the Whirled Cup is only gonna be worse.
Hi Mike,
Could you provide some real-world examples of that, as I must be looking in the wrong places...
No problem ... last night's BBC 2 schedule:
8:30 onwards; string of programmes as tribute to John Motson and his sterling work as a football commentator - immediately followed at 10:35 by 'The Damned United' "The story of Brian Clough's 44 day stint as manager of Leeds United Football Club that takes place in 1974 England. "
- at which point I could have turned over to BBC1 to get away from it and be treated to 'Match of The Day' recap of the FA Cup final that was broadcast from 4:10 until 7:40 earlier in the day.
Good enough??
:rfl:
No problem ... last night's BBC 2 schedule:
8:30 onwards; string of programmes as tribute to John Motson and his sterling work as a football commentator - immediately followed at 10:35 by 'The Damned United' "The story of Brian Clough's 44 day stint as manager of Leeds United Football Club that takes place in 1974 England. "
- at which point I could have turned over to BBC1 to get away from it and be treated to 'Match of The Day' recap of the FA Cup final that was broadcast from 4:10 until 7:40 earlier in the day.
Good enough??
:rfl:
Lol, not really, because you said:
If they'd stick to the sports pages and specialist programmes I'd be more than happy...
The examples you've given are all of "specialist programmes" [read as produced to cover their core subject] - and those watching them, one would presume would be interested in that subject.
I'm talking about when a particular subject, say for talking sake, sport, infiltrates or takes over other programmes that have nothing whatsoever to do with sport. For example, if football took over a cookery programme, or whatever, which was what was happening this week, in the run up to the royal wedding, in terms of wedding gossip...
In essence, royal wedding gossip present where it shouldn't be.
That's what my point is about, not the frequency of sport or football programmes on TV, or for that matter material relating to the royal family. I trust you can appreciate the difference? :)
Marco.
Lol, not really, because you said:
The examples you've given are all of "specialist programmes"
Not really - the only one that classes as a 'specialist programme' was 'Match of the Day which is a regular football 'feature'.
The rest was just schedule polluting garbage as far as I'm concerned.
And incidentally John Motson had already appeared in a number of 'normal' programmes to talk about his career ... otherwise I'd never heard of him before.
You're still missing the point, mate... Whilst watching the programmes you've mentioned, it wouldn't have been a surprise for football to have been discussed, as it would've been pretty much a given that those watching them would've been into football, and specifically the topics in question. Yes?
Whereas, royal wedding gossip being discussed on the likes of a cookery programme, would've been a surprise, and more importantly, it would NOT HAVE BEEN A GIVEN that those watching would have been interested!;)
Do you see where I'm coming from now? It's all about ensuring that the programme content is going to be of interest to the vast majority of the target audience, rather than the TV companies dictating to you what you should be interested in.
What I object to mainly, is the presumption that we should all be flag-waving royalists, whether we like it or not!
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 18:17
Wow! 24 hours later, and we're at 8 pages and counting, mostly by folk who don't give a toss about the royal wedding!
Methinks you protest too much :eyebrows:
Lol - any kind of rampant, rather arrogant, bias like that does my head in.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 18:34
All this time that people are devoting to this thread is getting in the way of the important issues, like STD's and explosive diarrhoea.
And incidentally John Motson had already appeared in a number of 'normal' programmes to talk about his career ... otherwise I'd never heard of him before.
The question you have to ask yourself is would the 'Motty mania', such as you've outlined, have been reciprocated if the football commentator in question had been, say, Archie Macpherson [look him up], and thus if it hadn't have given the English media another chance to wax lyrical about England and all things English?;)
Marco.
All this time that people are devoting to this thread is getting in the way of the important issues, like STD's and explosive diarrhoea.
:lolsign:
Marco.
narabdela
20-05-2018, 18:55
Archie Macpherson [look him up]
No need. Archie was the King of football commentators. Motty was a very poor second, or third, or forth if we're going to include Bob Crampsey and possibly even Arthur Montford.
The question you have to ask yourself is would the 'Motty mania', such as you've outlined, have been reciprocated if the football commentator in question had been, say, Archie Macpherson [look him up], and thus if it hadn't have given the English media another chance to wax lyrical about England and all things English?;)
Marco.
To be honest Marco - I don't give a rat's arse who Motson or Macpherson are, what they do (or did) for a living and what country they might be from, so it's not a question I will be even remotely considering asking.
It interests me about as much as how long it takes a blade of grass to turn into manure .... just hope the BBC don't deem to fill a whole evening with that vexing question.
That's fair enough, mate. I must admit that blatant English bias, in the (supposedly) British media, is one of my MAJOR bugbears [and I see this royal wedding mania partly as evidence of that]... It's long been a 'thing' for me. Anyway, we'll leave that one there for now:)
Marco.
No need. Archie was the King of football commentators. Motty was a very poor second, or third, or forth if we're going to include Bob Crampsey and possibly even Arthur Montford.
Lol - I agree. At least you're suitably open-minded!:D
As an aside, do you think the BBC or ITV would've devoted the same amount of coverage to him or Arthur Montford?;)
Anyway, I've made my point, for now....
Marco.
Has anybody else in the British Isles - nay, the entire world! - worn a sheepskin jacket in the last twenty years?
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 19:16
Jack the old gardener, reporting back to his new employers, the Duke and duchess of Looselabia.
"Right sir, I've put manure under the rose bushes, but we've run out of manure now, so I'll go over to farmer Fred's and get another ton of manure delivered".
After Jack left, the Duchess says "Really Tarquin, that dreadful little man's language is terrible. Can you not have him call it "fertiliser"?
"Doubtful, it's taken me all year to get him to call it manure".
Has anybody else in the British Isles - nay, the entire world! - worn a sheepskin jacket in the last twenty years?
Lol - that's a bit random! :D
Marco.
walpurgis
20-05-2018, 19:17
Has anybody else in the British Isles - nay, the entire world! - worn a sheepskin jacket in the last twenty years?
You never see jean jackets now either.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 19:18
Has anybody else in the British Isles - nay, the entire world! - worn a sheepskin jacket in the last twenty years?
I bet Mike Brewer has a few.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2018, 19:21
You never see jean jackets now either.
I still have a Levi jacket, but I grew too fat for it about 20 years ago.
To be fair to Motty he's also famous for inventing the sheepskin coat so I don't think you can just lump him in with all the other commentators.
Ah, so that's what the sheepskin coat thing was about! Sorry, it flew right passed me, as I'm not a Motty fan.
Marco.
Has anybody else in the British Isles - nay, the entire world! - worn a sheepskin jacket in the last twenty years?
Probably not, though twenty or so years ago I knew a bloke via work who did. Not only did he wear a sheepskin jacket, he was called Vince and he drove a vintage Jag.
Never had a sheepskin coat but I did have an Afghan, I thought it was brilliant but jesus it stank lol
Never had a sheepskin coat or an Afghan but I did have a fur coat turned inside out.
Bought it on the flea market in Liverpool - also found out very quickly why they called it the flea market :lol:
Never had a sheepskin coat or an Afghan but I did have a fur coat turned inside out.
Bought it on the flea market in Liverpool - also found out very quickly why they called it the flea market :lol:
I had an Afghan hound once - they're damned attractive in the dark!
Firebottle
21-05-2018, 18:50
Jack the old gardener, reporting back to his new employers, the Duke and duchess of Looselabia.
"Right sir, I've put manure under the rose bushes, but we've run out of manure now, so I'll go over to farmer Fred's and get another ton of manure delivered".
After Jack left, the Duchess says "Really Tarquin, that dreadful little man's language is terrible. Can you not have him call it "fertiliser"?
"Doubtful, it's taken me all year to get him to call it manure".
:rfl: You are the funniest member on here Steve, please keep it up :thumbsup:
Firebottle
21-05-2018, 18:53
You never see jean jackets now either.
I have a jeans jacket and a jeans shirt, but then I will wear anything. As some of you may know already :D
PS you haven't seen my 'best' trousers yet .......
Pigmy Pony
21-05-2018, 18:57
I had an afghan coat in the early seventies, and it was rather smelly, especially when wet.
One night a pissed young female decided the smell could be improved by tipping a load of patchouli oil over it. When I got home my mother accused me of
"smoking drugs", her logic being that a couple of drug-taking hippies (her words) often came in the shop where she worked, and they smelled exactly the same.
Maybe it's a nostalgia thing, but I still like the smell of patchouli (don't come across it much these days).
I had an afghan coat in the early seventies, and it was rather smelly, especially when wet.
One night a pissed young female decided the smell could be improved by tipping a load of patchouli oil over it. When I got home my mother accused me of
"smoking drugs", her logic being that a couple of drug-taking hippies (her words) often came in the shop where she worked, and they smelled exactly the same.
Maybe it's a nostalgia thing, but I still like the smell of patchouli (don't come across it much these days).
Thank goodness - about as nauseous IMO as 'joss sticks' and any other form of incense! :spew:
You get used to it in churches;)
So are you fond of a royal wedding, Barry?
Marco.
:popcorn::popcorn:
Marco.
stairpost
24-05-2018, 12:49
If this is still the wedding thread, can I just say that I watched and enjoyed every minute of it.
You must be a glutton for punishment then!:ner:
;)
Marco.
You get used to it in churches;)
So are you fond of a royal wedding, Barry?
Marco.
As a republican I have to say "no", and I found the whole build-up to the event tedious in the extreme. However I did watch the highlights later in the day, and have to say when it comes to all the pomp and ceremony, that is one of the things we do do well in this country (and I suppose it is good for tourism). Added to the fact that the weather was bright and sunny - I'm sure a good time was had by one and all. I wish the couple all heath and happiness - as I would for any newlywed couple.
Happy was keen to watch the ceremony - women tend to be more attracted to these events, but of more interest to her emotionally was the fact that the bride's mother is black and descended from slave workers. Seeing Megan's mother in attendance 'resonated' with her profoundly.
the bride's mother is black and descended from slave workers.
Better than being descended from slave dossers, I suppose.
Better than being descended from slave dossers, I suppose.
Not sure I understand what you mean by that?
All he meant was in terms of the 'workers vs. dossers' thing. It was an attempt at humour - unfortunately, however, not one of his better efforts;)
Know what you mean about Happy resonating with the 'black thing'. That was rather profound, as well as it was with Bishop Curry handling the ceremony - all at an event that is historically an all-white affair.
Not into 'pomp and ceremony' though, unless it's about something I care about, and anything royal family-related simply doesn't register. It means nothing to me, nor relates to my culture. A Papal visit to the UK would be far likelier to elicit some feelings of excitement.
Marco.
Not into 'pomp and ceremony' though, unless it's about something I care about, and anything royal family-related simply doesn't register. It means nothing to me, nor relates to my culture. A Papal visit to the UK would be far likelier to elicit some feelings of excitement.
Marco.
It would have to be God Himself to interest me.
Lol..... Try and see it, if you will, from the position of an Italian/Scottish catholic, rather than a British/English protestant/atheist or flag-waving royalist;)
Marco.
I saw the Pope last time he came. Not the one who was in the Hitler Youth, the one who used to be a goalkeeper.
I saw the Pope last time he came. Not the one who was in the Hitler Youth, the one who used to be a goalkeeper.
Jesus saves, but Keegan scores off the rebound, as we used to say.
Lol..... Try and see it, if you will, from the position of an Italian/Scottish catholic, rather than a British/English protestant/atheist or flag-waving royalist;)
Marco.
Ha! I'm just as Catholic, and a lot more Scottish than you!
Jesus saves, but Keegan scores off the rebound, as we used to say.
Indeed we did. We were doing memes before there was even a name for it.
stairpost
24-05-2018, 17:07
You must be a glutton for punishment then!:ner:
;)
Marco.
I'm normally just a glutton, so this made a refereshing change :)
Ha! I'm just as Catholic, and a lot more Scottish than you!
Haha - well if you're just as Catholic, how come the chance to see the Pope doesn't interest you?
When one of the previous ones visited Glasgow, during the 90s in the (then) famous 'Popemobile', I went along and enjoyed it:)
Marco.
I wasn't that bothered but there wasn't much to do in those days and it was only a short walk up the road. Same spot we used to go to see Liverpool coming home with the cup. Preferred that to be honest.
Haha - well if you're just as Catholic, how come the chance to see the Pope doesn't interest you?
I'm not that easily impressed. He's just a senior priest, when all's said and done. He doesn't have magic powers or anything.
Minstrel SE
24-05-2018, 18:29
Not interested at all and it was just a normal day for me. To me youve seen the light when things like that fail to interest you.
Its no more important to me than any other wedding that took place that day.
To be quite honest Im more worried about the brainwashed people getting in to it and waving flags. Sorry but my view is that those people need to get a life and a much needed reality check about royalty
I'm not that easily impressed. He's just a senior priest, when all's said and done. He doesn't have magic powers or anything.
Neither does the queen, and yet look at all the ridiculous fuss over her (and her siblings)!;)
Marco.
Not interested at all and it was just a normal day for me. To me youve seen the light when things like that fail to interest you.
Its no more important to me than any other wedding that took place that day.
To be quite honest Im more worried about the brainwashed people getting in to it and waving flags. Sorry but my view is that those people need to get a life and a much needed reality check about royalty
Lol, indeed... We are in full agreement, Martin, but I guess each to his or her own.
Marco.
To be quite honest Im more worried about the brainwashed people getting in to it and waving flags.
I suppose they might accidentally poke someone with them. Or swallow them and choke. But I can't see that it's a major cause for concern?
Minstrel SE
24-05-2018, 19:44
I suppose they might accidentally poke someone with them. Or swallow them and choke. But I can't see that it's a major cause for concern?
I thought Macca M is going to be on seeing what you have written :D look each to their own but its deeper than that really isnt it.
Put them in packing crates and wheel them out when the accountants say there is tourist money to be made. Maybe some of it will make up for the way overprivileged lives these people lead. Bottom line is they live in a bubble so we should just get them out on show when they can pay their way. I dont want photo opportunities about landmines when the arms industry continues apace.
Dont give them a voice on anything important and they really should be paying their way. They are just the odd family at number 42 as far as Im concerned. I would scrap the lot of it and send them down the coal mines.
It perpetuates the class system, inequality and a system rooted in feudalism.
Show me the accounts and we can have a debate about a figurehead or token royalty for the tourists. Get them signing some t shirts in trafalgar square but put them to real work. Im being lenient because it does bring money into the economy but I need to double check what we are paying them from taxes. They dont care about us and I dont listen to damn thing they say :)
There's *so* much there I agree with, but it really warrants a separate thread......
Marco.
I thought Macca M is going to be on seeing what you have written :D look each to their own but its deeper than that really isnt it.
Put them in packing crates and wheel them out when the accountants say there is tourist money to be made. Maybe some of it will make up for the way overprivileged lives these people lead. Bottom line is they live in a bubble so we should just get them out on show when they can pay their way. I dont want photo opportunities about landmines when the arms industry continues apace.
Dont give them a voice on anything important and they really should be paying their way. They are just the odd family at number 42 as far as Im concerned. I would scrap the lot of it and send them down the coal mines.
It perpetuates the class system, inequality and a system rooted in feudalism.
Show me the accounts and we can have a debate about a figurehead or token royalty for the tourists. Get them signing some t shirts in trafalgar square but put them to real work. Im being lenient because it does bring money into the economy but I need to double check what we are paying them from taxes. They dont care about us and I dont listen to damn thing they say :)
I think they do pay their way although these things are not an exact science. In any case it is a job, check out how many official appearances they have to make, the Queen was doing over 200 days a year until recently.
The landmine thing was just Diana. The royals are not supposed to express an opinion on anything political and by and large they don't.
It is a life of privilege in that you don't have to make your own breakfast but the trade off is you will never get to live like a normal person where you can just go down the shops or the pub with no bother. I'm not sure I would swap, all the yachts and polo matches and that would get boring, things you can buy with money are not the important things in life.
Lots of people really love it, here and abroad. Why would I want to ruin it for them? I'm fine with people having and enjoying it all as long as I don't have to do anything.
I've never understood the whole 'class' thing either. Who cares if someone is rich and lives in a big house in the country? Good luck to them. I just get on with my own life.
Pigmy Pony
24-05-2018, 21:34
Yep. Wot Martin said.
Neither does the queen, and yet look at all the ridiculous fuss over her (and her siblings)!;)
She only had the one sibling, who died more than 15 years ago. I think that, world-wide, far more fuss is made over the Pope.
I've never understood the whole 'class' thing either. Who cares if someone is rich and lives in a big house in the country? Good luck to them. I just get on with my own life.
I can understand it as a jealous/envious response (I struggle to distinguish between the two) from someone who is poor themselves, and struggling to cope, but for the likes of most of us, who are comfortably off, I don't understand it either, though I'm fascinated by the nuances of snobbery.
She only had the one sibling, who died more than 15 years ago. I think that, world-wide, far more fuss is made over the Pope.
Yeah, not siblings (wrong word), but anyone of significance attached to the royal family.
In terms of the bit in bold, yes and rightly so. The Pope, through his Christian preaching and innumerable charitable acts worldwide, caring for the needy, connects with and impacts on the lives of far more people. Ultimately, there are many more folk in this world who follow the word of God, than the (rather vulgar) over-privileged lives of the Royals.
Marco.
The Queen is head of the Church Of England. So in that respect she is a bit like the Pope. And the C of E does a load of charity stuff too.
I can understand it as a jealous/envious response (I struggle to distinguish between the two) from someone who is poor themselves...
That's rarely been my experience. The genuinely poor [those with no money or a roof over their heads] are usually far too occupied with trying to survive, and taking care of themselves, to worry about anyone else.
Jealousy (envy is a less insidious and gentler emotion), is usually more something that the working and/or middle-classes are guilty of, whenever they see someone get something that they want, or have succeeded to better themselves in a way that they would have liked, but haven't yet managed.
One of worst examples of that is when working class people with previously little or no opportunities, often living in deprived areas, choose to educate themselves and/or work hard to escape from their surroundings, and if they succeed, it subsequently causes resentment from those around them in the same circumstances, jealous of their success.
'He's no longer one of us, so fuck him', or 'who the fuck does he think he is, trying to be a snob?', is often the rather ignorant and distasteful mantra. Trying to keep someone down, simply because watching them succeed irks you, is a truly abhorrent trait, and one of the worst examples there is of jealousy.
Marco.
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 07:33
That's an excellent post Marco. It reflects my thoughts too.
The Queen is head of the Church Of England. So in that respect she is a bit like the Pope.
Yes, but unlike the Pope, she doesn't go preaching her faith all over the world, continually holding masses, taking the word of God to millions of people. That pretty much guarantees, along with many other things, that there will always be more 'fuss' made of him than the Queen.
Marco.
she is the figurehead of the c of e, not the religious head.
Yes, there is also that small difference. We're not talking about the Archbishop of Canterbury, which would be a rather more valid comparison.
Marco.
That's an excellent post Marco. It reflects my thoughts too.
You may have seen it happening yourself. A simple (and often revealing test) of your susceptibility to feelings of jealousy, is when you hear of someone winning millions of pounds on the National Lottery... Is your very first thought: 'bastard!', or 'good for you'?
I can honestly say, hand on heart, that for me it's always the latter, as I couldn't give the slightest toss how 'better off', financially or otherwise, anyone else is than me. I'm more than happy with what I've got, thank you very much, and always pleased to see others doing well and being happy.
How do you feel when your next door neighbour buys a 'fancy' brand new car, which they've worked hard to pay for, or say, lands a big job promotion, whilst your 'lot' is humdrum in comparison. Are you pleased for them, or jealous, to the point of being resentful?
There will always be someone else 'better off' than you. Live with it, as resenting them for it makes for a very unhealthy mind. Often, therefore, the most valuable gift in life, is one of contentment - and that's something that money can't automatically buy.
Marco.
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 09:00
You may have seen it happening yourself. A simple (and often revealing test) of your susceptibility to feelings of jealousy, is when you hear of someone winning millions of pounds on the Lottery... Is your very first thought: 'bastard!', or 'good for you'?
Marco.
I'm indifferent really. Not interested enough to give it a thought.
That's fine. The key is in not expressing negative emotions towards them. Your response shows that you're happy enough with your 'lot'.
Marco.
'He's no longer one of us, so fuck him', or 'who the fuck does he think he is, trying to be a snob?', is often the rather ignorant and distasteful mantra. Trying to keep someone down, simply because watching them succeed irks you, is a truly abhorrent trait, and one of the worst examples there is of jealousy.
Just as bad, IMO, is someone who has 'made good' looking down on those who, for whatever reason(s), have stayed poor. Both attitudes are summed up by the US writer H L Mencken: 'Rich people can't help thinking that poor people are either lazy or stupid, and poor people can't help thinking that rich people are either lucky or crooked'.
You may have seen it happening yourself. A simple (and often revealing test) of your susceptibility to feelings of jealousy, is when you hear of someone winning millions of pounds on the National Lottery... Is your very first thought: 'bastard!', or 'good for you'?
Certainly not the former; as I never buy Lottery tickets it would be perverse of me to resent someone who does buy them getting lucky. In the case of an exceptionally large win, I do wonder what the winner will do with all that money, and hope that he/she doesn't end up blowing the lot. Not that it's any of my business if they do, of course.
Yes, there is also that small difference. We're not talking about the Archbishop of Canterbury, which would be a rather more valid comparison.
Marco.
The Queen outranks the 'bish. Her title is 'Supreme Governor of the Church of England.'
Although in practice it is the 'bish who runs the show. Nevertheless the Queen is the papal equivalent in the C of E.
The Church of Scotland is a Presbyterian church and recognises only Jesus Christ as 'King and Head of the Church'. The Queen therefore does not hold the title 'Supreme Governor' of the Church of Scotland; when attending Church services in Scotland Her Majesty does so as an ordinary member.
The Church of Scotland is a Presbyterian church and recognises only Jesus Christ as 'King and Head of the Church'. The Queen therefore does not hold the title 'Supreme Governor' of the Church of Scotland; when attending Church services in Scotland Her Majesty does so as an ordinary member.
'The Scotsman is mean, as we're all well aware
And bony and blotchy and covered with hair
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And he hasn't got bishops to show him the way!'
As Flanders and Swann sang.
The Church of Scotland is a Presbyterian church and recognises only Jesus Christ as 'King and Head of the Church'. .
Must get a bit tricky when they need him to make an executive decision, what with him being dead and that for almost 2000 years.
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 13:00
I do wonder what the winner will do with all that money, and hope that he/she doesn't end up blowing the lot.
I personally, would have no bother at all coping with say fifty million. None would be wasted. No daft motor yachts or Bentleys, etc. I'd buy a block of flats or two in a developing area for a start. My day to day life would change quite little from its present state apart from minor modest improvements!
It often occurs to me to feel sorry for those who have invested huge amounts in classic and vintage car collections. Can they not see what the future holds? The things will become unusable museum pieces before long and be next to worthless.
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 13:12
Must get a bit tricky when they need him to make an executive decision, what with him being dead and that for almost 2000 years.
He was Jewish wasn't he? He certainly wasn't a Christian. As far as I can see, he just went around persuading others to become one. As in, believe in what he had to offer.
Must get a bit tricky when they need him to make an executive decision, what with him being dead and that for almost 2000 years.
not really. they have a hotline;)
I personally, would have no bother at all coping with say fifty million. None would be wasted. No daft motor yachts or Bentleys, etc. I'd buy a block of flats or two in a developing area for a start. My day to day life would change quite little from its present state apart from minor modest improvements!
It often occurs to me to feel sorry for those who have invested huge amounts in classic and vintage car collections. Can they not see what the future holds? The things will become unusable museum pieces before long and be next to worthless.
This is really confusing. Why would you buy a block of flats? And in what universe will something like a Ferrari Daytona ever become worthless?
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 13:49
This is really confusing. Why would you buy a block of flats? And in what universe will something like a Ferrari Daytona ever become worthless?
Flats as an investment.
The Ferrari will become a large doorstop when service stations cease selling petrol, as they will eventually.
Flats as an investment.
The Ferrari will become a large doorstop when service stations cease selling petrol, as they will eventually.
Like horses did when the internal combustion engine came along? You can't buy hay anywhere now.
I know what your saying but you will always be able to get petrol even when petrol engine cars become a minority hobby interest.
I'd also suggest that the top end of antique cars will always be valuable even if there was no way to run them. A lot of them are already museum pieces because they are too valuable to be driving them about.
And if you'd won a fifty million on the lottery why would you need an investment? If you spent like a drunken sailor you'd still not run out of money before you copped it.
I'd be tempted to do a 'Brewster's Millions' and see how fast I could get through it :D
Petrol will always be available in the future, but at a price, so only for those who can afford it. You will probably have to buy it from a hardware store/ironmongers; just as one did in times past.
The maintenance of out-dated technology is usually available at a price: solid tyres for collectors of 1920's cars; 8mm cine film; 35mm photographic film; magnetic recording tape; pick up cartridges to replay 78rpm records, etc.
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 14:05
You both know what I was getting at.
When fuel becomes largely unobtainable for say a run to the coast and back. Cars like the Ferrari will as I said, become museum pieces with little practical use.
Sure, there'll be those who want one, same as there are blokes who keep steam traction engines (at great cost), for the odd event and trundle round the countryside (probably with a support crew following in a big van). Not ideal for dropping the kids at school each day though :).
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 14:11
And if you'd won a fifty million on the lottery why would you need an investment? If you spent like a drunken sailor you'd still not run out of money before you copped it.
It's my nature. And it sets future family generations up financially (I'd probably set trusts up).
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 14:13
Vinyl records...
Museum pieces! :lol:
The Queen outranks the 'bish. Her title is 'Supreme Governor of the Church of England.'
Although in practice it is the 'bish who runs the show. Nevertheless the Queen is the papal equivalent in the C of E.
That wasn't my point, though. Joe said that there was more 'fuss', worldwide, made of the Pope than there was of the Queen. I agreed, and gave valid reasons for why that was the case.
Therefore, it's not about who's head of what, but who commands the most public attention overall, worldwide. And rightly so, that's the Pope.
Marco.
I suspect the problem will be the roads being filled with little electric 'city cars', so the only way one could enjoy the performance of a Ferrari etc. would be under the artificial conditions of a race track.
It's my nature. And it sets future family generations up financially (I'd probably set trusts up).
That's what I would do.
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 14:21
I suspect the problem will be the roads being filled with little electric 'city cars', so the only way one could enjoy the performance of a Ferrari etc. would be under the artificial conditions of a race track.
Probably.
I expect electric cars will eventually be self driving and will power from induction loops under the road surface, only needing charging for areas off this 'grid'.
Just as bad, IMO, is someone who has 'made good' looking down on those who, for whatever reason(s), have stayed poor.
I agree that both attitudes are abhorrent, but IMO, deliberately trying to stop someone bettering themselves, by directly or indirectly stifling their progress, particularly if you have some sort of control over them, is worse.
Simply looking down on someone is bad, as in the way some ignorant folk do with tramps, but in most instances won't stop anyone from bettering themselves.
Marco.
I suspect the problem will be the roads being filled with little electric 'city cars', so the only way one could enjoy the performance of a Ferrari etc. would be under the artificial conditions of a race track.
Or simply live in somewhere like north or west Wales, or up in the north of Scotland, basically anywhere that's largely divorced from the control or restrictions of commercial life., and thus where the roads are largely empty.
Even if I live long enough for electric cars to become the norm, and I was still able to drive, I'd be the one going to the 'specialist shop' for some petrol, with which to fuel my combustion-engine car - no matter the cost.
Quite simply, some principles are worth defending!;)
Marco.
had a shot of a supermarket buggy yesterday. couldnt face walking... goes quite good... must get one lol
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 14:55
had a shot of a supermarket buggy yesterday. couldnt face walking... goes quite good... must get one lol
Has it got a 'sport mode' button? :D
Has it got a 'sport mode' button? :D
Rattled along in the aisles lol... gonna have to get one soon the way things are going... vinyl will have to be sold...doh
walpurgis
25-05-2018, 15:29
No hope of improved mobility as your weight goes down then Grant?
No hope of improved mobility as your weight goes down then Grant?
not much.. getting worse i think. but i will persevere
I don't think the monarch really 'rules' these days but I totally agree positions like 'head of the church' and 'head of state' ( I use these terms loosely but hopefully you know what I mean) should not be decided by bloodline. What's the point of the PM having regular meetings with the monarch who may well have a lower than average IQ or level of interest, colossal waste of time. What's going to happen when we get the first aetheist monarch.... Silly me, he/she will just go to church and pretend like I suspect a lot of royals do anyway.
Pigmy Pony
25-05-2018, 20:17
'The Scotsman is mean, as we're all well aware
And bony and blotchy and covered with hair
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And he hasn't got bishops to show him the way!'
As Flanders and Swann sang.
Joe, you're really spoiling us with all these literary nuggets tonight!
Do you know any poems about the poor, lazy, stupid man from Chorley who was happy with his lot but wishes his cat wasn't such a sofa-shredding little turd?
Pigmy Pony
25-05-2018, 21:00
Or simply live in somewhere like north or west Wales, or up in the north of Scotland, basically anywhere that's largely divorced from the control or restrictions of commercial life., and thus where the roads are largely empty.
Even if I live long enough for electric cars to become the norm, and I was still able to drive, I'd be the one going to the 'specialist shop' for some petrol, with which to fuel my combustion-engine car - no matter the cost.
Quite simply, some principles are worth defending!;)
Marco.
The empty roads of North wales are probably a legacy of "The Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban", Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom. Remember him? He was mental for sure, properly MENTAL, with an exclamation mark at the end. He was the guy who got a fellow officer to shoot him with a taser to show how safe they are.
And I doubt that the parents of a 40 year old motorcyclist killed on the roads of North Wales will have been too impressed by Dick using pictures of their son's decapitated head being used at a road safety summit without consulting them first. In fact, the graphic nature of his death had until then been kept from them.
Honorary druid Richard also climbed the scaffolding outside the headquarters to break into his own office to highlight the poor security there.
He did retire about ten years ago, but his successors aren't necessarily any more normal. I for one will stay this side of the border whenever I feel a Barry Sheene ride coming on.
Joe, you're really spoiling us with all these literary nuggets tonight!
Do you know any poems about the poor, lazy, stupid man from Chorley who was happy with his lot but wishes his cat wasn't such a sofa-shredding little turd?
There was a poor man from Chorley
Whose cat tried his patience sorely
Though happier than most
The cat spurned his scratching post
And did an impression of Paul Morley.
Pigmy Pony
25-05-2018, 21:14
:rfl: Thanks Joe, that's brilliant!
The weekend starts here!
The empty roads of North wales are probably a legacy of "The Mad Mullah of the Traffic Taliban", Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom. Remember him? He was mental for sure, properly MENTAL, with an exclamation mark at the end. He was the guy who got a fellow officer to shoot him with a taser to show how safe they are.
And I doubt that the parents of a 40 year old motorcyclist killed on the roads of North Wales will have been too impressed by Dick using pictures of their son's decapitated head being used at a road safety summit without consulting them first. In fact, the graphic nature of his death had until then been kept from them.
Honorary druid Richard also climbed the scaffolding outside the headquarters to break into his own office to highlight the poor security there.
He did retire about ten years ago, but his successors aren't necessarily any more normal. I for one will stay this side of the border whenever I feel a Barry Sheene ride coming on.
Indeed, and not good. I also take your point about mad 'Brainstorm'. However, the reality is, the vast majority of north Wales consists of hills and fields, where there are more sheep than people... And *that* is why the roads are mostly empty. Makes it a joy owning a performance car, which can handle being thrown around corners, as you often get the roads to yourself!:eyebrows:
Wrexham's the biggest town there, by a country mile, and the rest is hillbilly land. South Wales, with Cardiff and Swansea, is a different kettle of fish. However, I like it that way, and to an extent living 'off grid', certainly in comparison with somewhere like London or Birmingham, which isn't my cup of tea at all. I abhor overcrowding and constant busyness.
Keep me as far away as possible from the ravages of the 'rat race'!! :exactly:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
26-05-2018, 12:53
I agree North Wales is a beautiful part of the world, and the roads are a petrol head's dream. But most of the really goods roads are strictly enforced, like Cat & Fiddle, Devil's Bridge and North Yorks moors, with unmarked cars and even helicopters, for god's sake!
An exception may be around Glencoe, probably because blanket roads policing there is not economically viable due to the remoteness. I haven't been there for a few years, so that may have changed too.
Something else I've noticed in recent years on some major routes (I'm thinking of A9 Perth to Inverness here) is the 40mph speed limit for HGV's. I don't see how the massive traffic queues behind these lorries, all desperately trying to overtake at the earliest opportunity can possibly promote road safety.
Sorry I seemed to have moved a long way off topic here, so I'll just add that HRH has a pretty nice gaff up that way. :)
Wish i lived there... much warmer than this goddamned excuse of a country [emoji23]. I mean its mostly sunny today and nearly june and its bloody cold still. Doh!
Pigmy Pony
26-05-2018, 13:15
Yeah but you've got some fantastic bridges, Chewing the Fat on New Years Eve and a nice rock that Rob Roy jumped off. Shame your neighbours are such tossers (I know, I'm one of them).
walpurgis
26-05-2018, 13:16
Warmest spot in the country here usually.
Personally, I'd nuke it (after I moved out obviously :)). It's a stinky, grubby, dump full of scumbags!
John Betjeman felt the same way about Slough, which is near identical to here and only down the road. Leicester is much the same, but further away.
Some places have no redeeming characteristics at all and just don't deserve to exist.
I agree North Wales is a beautiful part of the world, and the roads are a petrol head's dream. But most of the really goods roads are strictly enforced, like Cat & Fiddle, Devil's Bridge and North Yorks moors, with unmarked cars and even helicopters, for god's sake!
Sure, but there's not much fun in going fast in a straight line, so for me, "really good roads" aren't the main roads or dual-carriageways, but rather than back roads in the country... Far more fun haring down those at 60-70mph, throwing the car round corners, testing its sports tyres and suspension, than doing 100mph (to get any kind of thrill) on straight main roads, and losing your licence to boot!
I can get properly out in the sticks here, within no more than half and hour's drive , and at most times of the day have the roads pretty much to myself, whilst enjoying some truly fantastic scenery, so what's not to like?:D
Something else I've noticed in recent years on some major routes (I'm thinking of A9 Perth to Inverness here) is the 40mph speed limit for HGV's. I don't see how the massive traffic queues behind these lorries, all desperately trying to overtake at the earliest opportunity can possibly promote road safety.
It's utter bollocks, of course, and promotes completely the opposite! :doh:
Fortunately, in a car like mine, with pretty explosive acceleration (which is the whole point of why I own something like that), I can overtake trucks quickly enough before anyone really notices, as long as there's enough straight road ahead to safely achieve the manoeuvre, and I keep an eye out for unmarked police cars and speed cameras...;)
Staying stuck behind huge lines of crawling traffic is not something I'm prone to doing, unless there really is no other option!
Marco.
Warmest spot in the country here usually.
Personally, I'd nuke it (after I moved out obviously :)). It's a stinky, grubby, dump full of scumbags!
Yes, that's the scummy parts pf London, all right. But what about the rest of the UK?;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
26-05-2018, 13:26
Begs the question: Would you rather live in a shit-hole with a nice view, or live in a really nice house with a view of other shit-holes?
walpurgis
26-05-2018, 13:26
Yes, that's the scummy parts pf London, all right. But what about the rest of the UK?;)
Marco.
Britain is a beautiful place taken as a whole. It's just the bits with people in that suffer.
Lol - you mean the heavily populated bits? Yes, well I avoid those like the plague!:eyebrows:
I've always hated queues and crowds, and incessant busyness. I like being relaxed and chilled out. I have to admit to detesting the drive down to Dover, whenever we go abroad in the car, once we leave the relative peace and serenity of the M54, and hit the M6 at Birmingham.
Honestly, it's like you've crossed the border into another world!!
And things get progressively worse the further south you go, until one experiences the 'utter joy' of the M25........... I honestly couldn't cope if I had to face that shit [permanent traffic chaos and being stressed out to buggery] everyday:nono:
Marco.
Begs the question: Would you rather live in a shit-hole with a nice view, or live in a really nice house with a view of other shit-holes?
Neither. A nice house with a decent enough view. Of course a great view would be better, but one can't have everything!;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
26-05-2018, 13:45
Sure, but there's not much fun in going fast in a straight line, so for me, "really good roads" aren't the main roads or dual-carriageways, but rather than back roads in the country... Far more fun haring down those at 60-70mph, throwing the car round corners, testing its sports tyres and suspension, than doing 100mph (to get any kind of thrill) on straight main roads, and losing your licence to boot!
I can get truly out in the sticks here, within no more than half and hour's drive from Wrexham, and at most times of the day have the roads pretty much to myself, whilst enjoying some truly fantastic scenery, so what's not to like?:D
It's utter bollocks, of course, and promotes completely the opposite! :doh:
Fortunately, in a car like mine, with pretty explosive acceleration (which is the whole point of why I own something like that), I can overtake trucks quickly enough before anyone really notices, as long as there's enough straight road ahead to safely achieve the manoeuvre, and I keep an eye out for unmarked police cars and speed cameras...;)
Staying stuck behind huge lines of crawling traffic is not something I'm prone to doing, unless there really is no other option!
Marco.
Yes you can overtake quickly and safely with a rapid car if you are the one directly behind the lorry. The problem comes when you have to pass several cars as well. It takes just one driver deciding to do the same just as you're tearing up past him to leave you with nowhere to go.
Picture it. He looks in his mirror. nothing there. Pulls out and in those couple of seconds there has suddenly materialised a fast car. As Sheldon would say, Two cars occupying the same space is a physical impossibility, which will soon be resolved by fiery vehicular death. I know, cos it's happened to me, and my bike being able to go from 0 to 60 in three and a bit seconds isn't much help. Food for thought.
Pigmy Pony
26-05-2018, 13:47
Sorry, I wasn't clear there, the death bit didn't happen, it was just a "moment", which stayed with me for a while.
walpurgis
26-05-2018, 13:54
Sorry, I wasn't clear there, the death bit didn't happen, it was just a "moment", which stayed with me for a while.
Yes. I had the occasional 'moment' when I was riding quick bikes.
Yes you can overtake quickly and safely with a rapid car if you are the one directly behind the lorry. The problem comes when you have to pass several cars as well. It takes just one driver deciding to do the same just as you're tearing up past him to leave you with nowhere to go.
Picture it. He looks in his mirror. nothing there. Pulls out and in those couple of seconds there has suddenly materialised a fast car. As Sheldon would say, Two cars occupying the same space is a physical impossibility, which will soon be resolved by fiery vehicular death. I know, cos it's happened to me, and my bike being able to go from 0 to 60 in three and a bit seconds isn't much help. Food for thought.
Oh yes, I know. That's why I prepare myself for the worst and often sound my horn/put on my full beam, when overtaking, to warn other drivers I'm coming. At the end of the day, sometimes you have to take carefully calculated risks, if you want to get anywhere quickly, and not spend hours stuck in traffic.
I simply don't have that sort of patience!
Marco.
Sorry, I wasn't clear there, the death bit didn't happen, it was just a "moment", which stayed with me for a while.
And there was me thinking we finally had proof of life after death.
Pigmy Pony
26-05-2018, 16:22
And long may it continue to work for you. I think the most important "preparation" is to ensure you have somewhere to go if things turn to shit. Bikes are more able in this respect due to their ability to squeeze through smaller gaps. I know I'm stating the obvious, but I know only too well that when the "red mist" descends, common sense can go out of the window.
I'm sounding like the fun police, but I'm really not. If you have a fast motor and never use its potential, then what's the point? Just want you to stay safe mate. :)
Pigmy Pony
26-05-2018, 16:35
And there was me thinking we finally had proof of life after death.
There once was a man called Joe, he
Was chatting with a dead bloke called Pony,
He asked "Is there much laughter,
In the hereafter",
Pony said, "No, just a lot of shit poetry".
And long may it continue to work for you. I think the most important "preparation" is to ensure you have somewhere to go if things turn to shit. Bikes are more able in this respect due to their ability to squeeze through smaller gaps. I know I'm stating the obvious, but I know only too well that when the "red mist" descends, common sense can go out of the window.
I'm sounding like the fun police, but I'm really not. If you have a fast motor and never use its potential, then what's the point? Just want you to stay safe mate. :)
Sure yeah, cheers. And I'd also extend that to you, whenever you're on the road :cool:
I completely agree about having somewhere to go. I try to plan for that as much as possible, by continually monitoring gaps in the traffic, whilst I'm overtaking.
I also usually always do it in short bursts, by overtaking no more than a few cars at a time, then slipping into a gap, slowly edging myself forward in the queue, and by applying the minimum amount of speed possible to get the job done, and rarely overtaking long lines of traffic at once, at very high speed.
As you say, it's all about giving yourself as much chance as possible to survive if things should go tits up.
Let's not forget too, that if in the first place some idiots didn't just sit behind trucks and other slow-moving vehicles, because they're too 'scared' or can't be bothered overtaking them, then some of these tailbacks wouldn't occur - or they'd be a damn sight shorter!!
It never ceases to amaze me sometimes how inept and lacking in confidence some drivers are, and how they're just seemingly content to 'pootle along' in a little world of their own, oblivious to what's going on around them :doh:
Marco.
RobbieGong
26-05-2018, 22:19
Motorway driving is a doddle, been doing it for donkeys years.
Being originally from Leeds, I've done the long M1 run from London to Leeds and back too many times to mention.
With one of my daughters now at Uni in Nottingham, we're regularly London to Nottingham and back these days.
Keep your distance, watch your speed, use your mirrors before making any manouvre needless to say particularly before overtaking.
And as my Dad always said since we were kids, 'read the road !' ie: anticipate and never assume the obvious :nono:
I'd add to that lot, drive to the conditons of the road - Times I've seen 'nutters' hammering it along the fast lane in the wet :eek: :mental:
walpurgis
26-05-2018, 22:21
It never ceases to amaze me sometimes how inept and lacking in confidence some drivers are, and how they're just seemingly content to 'pootle along' in a little world of their own, oblivious to what's going on around them :doh:
Marco.
I 'pootle along' these days. Fed up with getting busted for speeding! :rolleyes:
Lol... But I'd hazard a guess you're still fully aware of what's going on around you, not seemingly in a vacant stupor!
Marco.
walpurgis
26-05-2018, 22:43
Lol... But I'd hazard a guess you're still fully aware of what's going on around you, not seemingly in a vacant stupor!
Marco.
As a bloke who rode bikes pretty fast and also cycled to work until shortly before retirement, I'm very aware of what's going on around me. You don't last long on two wheels if you're clueless! And yes, I still know how to chuck a car about if I want to (and sometimes do). :)
Firebottle
27-05-2018, 09:51
Keep your distance, watch your speed, use your mirrors before making any manouvre needless to say particularly before overtaking.
And as my Dad always said since we were kids, 'read the road !' ie: anticipate and never assume the obvious :nono:
I'd add to that lot, drive to the conditons of the road - Times I've seen 'nutters' hammering it along the fast lane in the wet :eek: :mental:
Excellent advice Rob, if only all the other eejits on the road would do the same.
I'd much rather be in the middle lane (when the left lane is full) with a gap in front than boxed in with the 'no time to breathe' brigade in the right lane.
As a bloke who rode bikes pretty fast and also cycled to work until shortly before retirement, I'm very aware of what's going on around me. You don't last long on two wheels if you're clueless! And yes, I still know how to chuck a car about if I want to (and sometimes do). :)
That's what I thought, mate. Couldn't envisage you being inflicted with doddery, indecisive, old fart syndrome quite yet!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
27-05-2018, 09:53
Motorway driving is a doddle, been doing it for donkeys years.
Being originally from Leeds, I've done the long M1 run from London to Leeds and back too many times to mention.
With one of my daughters now at Uni in Nottingham, we're regularly London to Nottingham and back these days.
Keep your distance, watch your speed, use your mirrors before making any manouvre needless to say particularly before overtaking.
And as my Dad always said since we were kids, 'read the road !' ie: anticipate and never assume the obvious :nono:
I'd add to that lot, drive to the conditons of the road - Times I've seen 'nutters' hammering it along the fast lane in the wet :eek: :mental:
The French "autoroutes" are quite good, they have a 130kph limit in normal conditions, and 110kph in the wet. Most of it (outside of Paris) is two lanes, and works well.If you're barrelling along in the fast lane and come upon a slower car, they almost always get out of the way sharpish. Unlike British motor ways where people stubbornly stick to their favourite lane, for fear of "losing their place".
Also, because of the toll roads, most motorists will stick with the lesser roads for local journeys, unlike us who will use the motorway to hop from one junction to the next.
It's always a real comedown when returning to the UK with its four full-to-bursting lanes and endless roadworks.
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