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chris@panteg
10-05-2018, 07:33
Have you seen the news about this?
The wiring harness from the battery to the fusebox is prone to shorting out and consequently cutting the engine out and even causing a fire in some cases.
Astonishing, but perhaps not that surprising, I recently watched a recent Audionote factory tour which includes Peter Qvortrup's garage, where he talked about modern car design substituting good engineering with cheap electronic gadgets.
I have to agree with him, seems to be happening across the board with modern cars.
narabdela
10-05-2018, 07:43
The wiring harness from the battery to the fusebox is prone to shorting out and....
Would that be why their direction indicators never seem to work? :rolleyes:
Would that be why their direction indicators never seem to work? :rolleyes:
Bravo
chris@panteg
10-05-2018, 08:00
Would that be why their direction indicators never seem to work? :rolleyes:
You know it could well be:D
Stryder5
10-05-2018, 08:06
Would that be why their direction indicators never seem to work? :rolleyes:
It's a German thing, Audi's don't work either!
Yep, I saw it mentioned last night on Watchdog. It's worth noting, however, that it only applies to BMW 3-Series models, from 2007-2011. I believe anything else out with of that is unaffected.
I agree though with your point about 'cheap' electronic gadgets, although when it comes to replacing them on a BMW, they're usually far from cheap! Thankfully, there have been no such issues so far with Mercs.
Marco.
chris@panteg
10-05-2018, 10:58
Marco, you should watch that Audionote factory tour video, Peter Qvortrup is a bit of a Mercedes aficionado and has very strong views on what Mercedes are producing now compared to the early 90s, which he described as a peak of engineering perfection but has gone downhill since, I know many people who would agree.
narabdela
10-05-2018, 11:16
I know many people who would agree.
I'm one of them. A C180 Kompressor (2008) was the most troublesome car I've ever owned...and I've owned three Citroens!
my daughter just got a merc...thats 2 in the family now..and one beemer...good to see everyone doing better than me:lol:
Marco, you should watch that Audionote factory tour video, Peter Qvortrup is a bit of a Mercedes aficionado and has very strong views on what Mercedes are producing now compared to the early 90s, which he described as a peak of engineering perfection but has gone downhill since, I know many people who would agree.
Yup, certainly I would, because I fully acknowledge things have gone down hill since then. Mine is from late 2008, a C350 Elegance CDI (before the Brabus mods). It was a top-spec C-Class, as standard, and one of the last quality Mercs, where the inside isn't 'boy racer', shiny silver plastic-trim heaven!:rolleyes:
Most of the new ones now, I wouldn't touch with a bargepole (too blingy inside and cheap looking for the price), and I don't like the shape, all of which is why my next car is unlikely to be another Merc. It's time I tried a nice Audi or an Alfa, although I plan on keeping my current one for a while yet! :cool:
Marco.
my daughter just got a merc...thats 2 in the family now..and one beemer...good to see everyone doing better than me:lol:
Nah, wait 'till you show them your new mobility scooter!:D:D
Marco.
Nah, wait 'till you show them your new mobility scooter!:D:D
Marco.
cant afford one of those either :( and its getting that i need one... with go faster stripes of course
Ninanina
10-05-2018, 17:20
When I've met Peter Qvortrup on a few occasions we always talk about old Mercs rather than hifi.. he is a lover of the old E class W124's, which is what I had before the Prius, and other older Mercs as they really were very well engineered indeed. My W124 had over 300,000 miles on it when I sold it and I know it's still running today but some of Peter's have 450,000 and above on them
'Modern Mercs' after about 1995 are either not reliable or they are rust buckets.. such a shame
Ninanina
10-05-2018, 18:35
Look at this Reliability Index... The top 6 places go to Japanese makes which is probably no surprise... I have to say that I find that all Japanese cars certainly do not drive the best or are the most comfortable but for sheer reliability they can't be touched
https://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
walpurgis
10-05-2018, 18:46
That's why I tend to buy Suzukis.
I think Daihatsu being at the top may be a bit misleading. They won't have logged many issues, 'cos there are not many about, although they are well made.
Maserati seem to have a bit of a problem. I'd never buy a used one, it's a never-ending list of expensive disasters with those.
When I've met Peter Qvortrup on a few occasions we always talk about old Mercs rather than hifi.. he is a lover of the old E class W124's, which is what I had before the Prius, and other older Mercs as they really were very well engineered indeed. My W124 had over 300,000 miles on it when I sold it and I know it's still running today but some of Peter's have 450,000 and above on them
'Modern Mercs' after about 1995 are either not reliable or they are rust buckets.. such a shame
I've had three Mercs, a W123 and two W124's. I have very fond memories of them, very comfy and great to drive. Sadly they all rusted badly and with the bad reputation the later models had I changed to an Audi S6. Really nice car with huge gobs of grunt but fragile and complex front suspension. Current nugget is a BMW 325ci. BMW recalled it last year for a new airbag module. They collected it, did the work, valeted it and bought it back, pretty good service I thought.
My last E class 300TE
http://i68.tinypic.com/rvx1c1.jpg
My brother works for a car recovery company. The vast majority of their business comes from recovering cars from BMW/Mini, VAG, Daimler Benz and JLR with electrical problems. Hardly any business from the Japanese!
Ninanina
10-05-2018, 22:47
My brother works for a car recovery company. The vast majority of their business comes from recovering cars from BMW/Mini, VAG, Daimler Benz and JLR with electrical problems. Hardly any business from the Japanese!
Exactly Shane.. most Japanese cars are super reliable..
I have a friend car mechanic and he says there are the Japanese cars for reliability and then everything else...
walpurgis
10-05-2018, 22:54
I have a friend car mechanic and he says there are the Japanese cars for reliability and then everything else...
That probably applies to most Japanese products, like electronics and cameras for instance.
Hi Bev,
'Modern Mercs' after about 1995 are either not reliable or they are rust buckets.. such a shame
Whilst I agree that things have gone downhill recently, compared with what was produced in the era you've mentioned, the above isn't universally true. My 2008 Merc is neither a "rust bucket", nor unreliable - quite the opposite! ;)
That's not to say though, it's overall as well built as W124s were... Trouble is, I found those as ugly as sin, and were most often driven by boring old men!
Marco.
Ninanina
10-05-2018, 23:10
and were most often driven by boring old men!
Marco.
Well I'm not a boring old man but I am sure some 'modern' Mercs are ok .. actually Colin is thinking of a Merc estate.. maybe an E Class 7G-Tronic diesel.. when he comes to sell the Land Cruiser.. and I'm sure it will be lovely
Well I'm not a boring old man but I am sure some 'modern' Mercs are ok .. actually Colin is thinking of a Merc estate.. maybe an E Class 7G-Tronic diesel.. when he comes to sell the Land Cruiser.. and I'm sure it will be lovely
Indeed not, which is why I said "most often", not always;)
I just like cars that have a bit of style/sexiness and sportiness to them, which is why I love Alfas, and when it comes to Mercs, the older models you're referring to, regardless of how well they were built, IMO, were no lookers. Of course for some, that wouldn't have been important:)
A 1990s C-Class Merc:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/Kvdtah.jpg
Boxy, plain, soulless and rather 'conservative' looking (albeit very well built). No-one under 60, still in possession of a pulse, would drive one:D
Mid-2000s Merc C-Class:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/qxnv0H.jpg
Sleeker, sportier, much more stylish, and generally driven by people who aren't 'dead' yet!:eyebrows:
2017 Merc C-Class:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/ncVZjK.jpg
Rounded, bulbous, and 'American-like' in the wrong way. Just a bulky, blingy big bus! :spew::nono:
Clearly styled by some clueless old fart, trying to make it look 'cool' and more appealing to younger drivers (to challenge its main competitor, the 3-Series Beemer), and ended up creating something about as 'cool' as Ann Widdecombe.
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
11-05-2018, 17:03
I feel I should speak up for boring old men.
I don't drive an old Merc and I can be boring as f**k without breaking a sweat. :)
I drive a Honda Civic and the list of things that have gone wrong on it is shorter than my man-bits on a cold day (actually a lot shorter as my man-bits are pretty impressive all year round).
The drive though could be better, when pressing on the handling is at best "interesting". Still, reliable car, big knob, so shouldn't grumble.
Lol, what are you like!:D:D
Marco.
P.S I've never found you boring.
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