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Dave Cawley
18-03-2010, 17:49
http://www.soundhifi.com/FOURUMIMAGES/dv507.jpg
And this is just the box.............
Dave
'Scuse my ignorance, but how can a dual inertia arm such as this be called "Dynamically Balanced," 'cos you can't, can you?
The Vinyl Adventure
18-03-2010, 17:58
ooo dave, you are a tease... how you getting on with it?
It's true then, you've fallen in love...
But she's mine! Hee hee.
Dave Cawley
20-03-2010, 22:54
I know..............
But she is seeping here tonight!
Dave
Ali Tait
20-03-2010, 23:14
You been getting her a bit excited then?? Ay? ay?
I know..............
But she is seeping here tonight!
Dave
Incontinent? Oh dear.... ;)
Marco.
Dave Cawley
21-03-2010, 12:31
http://www.soundhifi.com/FOURUMIMAGES/dv507ii.jpg
Whist waiting for the Germans to mill out the plate, we did a trial run for height, so not screwed in, or in the right place, but loooook!!
Regards
Dave
chris@panteg
21-03-2010, 12:38
Hi Dave
That's a serious piece of engineering ' it looks almost made for the Techie .
Bet you can't wait to hear it ' Martin's going to be drooling for sure when he see's this;)
http://www.soundhifi.com/FOURUMIMAGES/dv507ii.jpg
Whist waiting for the Germans to mill out the plate, we did a trial run for height, so not screwed in, or in the right place, but loooook!!
Regards
Dave
:eek: :stalks:
What is the price, Dave ?
The Grand Wazoo
21-03-2010, 13:00
:eek: :stalks:
What is the price, Dave ?
http://www.analogueseduction.net/product/Dynavector_DV_507_MKII_Tonearm_D507II
Looks fantastic, Dave, but what we (especially Martin) really want to know is how it SOUNDS - particularly in comparison to the Jelco SA-250 Martin's been using up until now! :)
Incidentally, the LH-18 headshell will have WAY too much mass for the (AT120E or AT-440 MLA cartridge) you've strapped on it.... Try popping on a DL-103 (which will love the high-mass) for some real audio nirvana ;)
Marco.
That's looking nice, Dave. By trial plate, is it cut for a Rega or something? In which case I can understand it being in the wrong place as the effective length is different I believe.
It's going to look even better on my black 1210.
I doubt you can get a handle on its sound yet, can you?
Martin,
What Dave probably means is that the plate he's using at the moment isn't the proper nice one from Germany you'll be getting, but rather a metal sample that's been made to allow the arm to be fitted to the T/T temporarily (still using the correct geometry)... Dave can correct me if I'm wrong :)
Regarding the sound - yeah sure, but some thoughts on his first impressions would be good! :cool:
Marco.
it looks almost made for the Techie
It does indeed. I'd love to see what it looks like on an SP-10. Now THAT would be pure audio porn. :stalks:
Mike_New
22-03-2010, 03:53
This arm scares me!! will my new 11.5lb platter be able to hold up it's weight???
But seriously how much does it weigh? It looks very heavy when compared with all the accepted criteria.
It weighs 1.3kg. On a non-suspended deck, that should be no problem at all.
It weighs 1.3kg. On a non-suspended deck, that should be no problem at all.
It obviously isn't as Dynavector themselves offer it on modded WT Amadeus:-
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac294/Vinylista/dv500_600w.jpg
jandl100
22-03-2010, 09:55
My God - it's amazing that a tiny cantilever can hoik that mass around! :lol:
It does look fantastic, though. :eek:
Doesn't it look good on black!
Yes, yes, I know it's how it sounds that counts but I have lusted after one of these since the age of <20 and I'm excited! :)
Is it any heavier than some of the high mass arms of old such as the Fidelity Research FR64?
Rare Bird
22-03-2010, 13:49
Something tells me that arm will not match that deck sound wise.I remember the Dynavetor arms.
:sofa:
Dave Cawley
22-03-2010, 14:27
I remember the Dynavetor arms. And ?
Dave
Rare Bird
22-03-2010, 18:05
They were not great retriever of the finest detail.Need to be on the right deck.
Dave Cawley
22-03-2010, 18:33
They were not great retriever of the finest detail.Need to be on the right deck.
I really don't remember that and the reviews of the time suggest otherwise. Can you point me in the direction of your sources please? Which decks did they work well on and where is that documented?
Dave
The Vinyl Adventure
22-03-2010, 18:39
Andre's got his green eyes plugged in I recon ;)
Dave Hewitt
22-03-2010, 18:56
If this arm sounds only half as good as it looks its going to be stunning.
Dave.ps Marco these bloody sandals are killing me.
They were not great retriever of the finest detail.
Not my experience.
Rare Bird
22-03-2010, 20:16
They were not great retriever of the finest detail.Need to be on the right deck.
I really don't remember that and the reviews of the time suggest otherwise. Can you point me in the direction of your sources please? Which decks did they work well on and where is that documented?
Dave
Cut the attitude for starters Dave. I had one in the late 80's.Not that it matters cos you apparently know everything
Rare Bird
22-03-2010, 20:18
Andre's got his green eyes plugged in I recon ;)
Whats that suppose to mean?
Andre, don't.... ;)
The arm is several generations on from the rather poor performing model tested by Martin Colloms in the eighties - as I was forcibly reminded a few weeks ago.
The arm looks interesting and very strange too. That in itself will get a positive reaction. Perhaps that's all it needs. I await the results with genuine interest. the rest of us can lust after a Jelco 750...
The Vinyl Adventure
22-03-2010, 22:51
Whats that suppose to mean?
It means I was having a bit of fun, Il take it back and apologise if it's not gonna be taken that way!
Dave Cawley
22-03-2010, 23:06
OK Andre, I wasn't remotely rude to you, but you certainly are to me. So just answer one question please ? "Which decks did they work well on and where is that documented?"
Clearly you, and not I are the expert here.
Dave
twelvebears
23-03-2010, 07:04
Cut the attitude for starters Dave. I had one in the late 80's.Not that it matters cos you apparently know everything
Andre. Having met Dave I now know that his tongue is very firmly in cheek most of the time so try not to take things personally. I know how easily things can come across the wrong way when typed rather than spoken. :grouphug:
as I was forcibly reminded a few weeks ago.
What did you hear and in what context, Dave?
The Vinyl Adventure
23-03-2010, 10:13
I can't understand why people are questioning martins decision to get this arm, from what I have read he has always wanted one and he realised a dream .. It might be a match made in heaven! Why not find out how well it works before raining on his parade? He is obviously very pleased with his choice so far and let's face it if anyone will make it work it's going to be the one person in this country who probably knows the most about the 1210! I haven't met dave, but have spoken to him on the phone numerous times - his advice has been solid to the point of detrimental to his profit margins! Give the guys a chance... I'm sure martins wieghed up the chances of something not being perfect before
he bought his dream bit of hifi!
Just my 2c ... I for one am fasinated by this project, and would love the oportunity to own something so individual!!
chris@panteg
23-03-2010, 10:39
I think all the speculation is not helpful ' and Martin clearly has a passion for this arm and a an itch that needs scratching :)
Can i borrow a line from Tony Blair ' Lets wait and see shall we ' or is that against the forum ethos :rolleyes:
The Vinyl Adventure
23-03-2010, 10:45
borowing a line from tony blair is probably against the ethos yes... :lol:
chris@panteg
23-03-2010, 10:49
Oh god I can feel the hand of history or Marco's/steve's upon my shoulder's ;)
Don't worry, Hamish. I've heard the DV-501, DV-505 and DV-507II on several occasions and I know it's a good sounding arm. The only proviso is that it likes a solid deck such as the Techie as it's really too heavy for most suspended designs.
There is a certain 'rightness' about its engineering design and the bi-axial geometry. You can just look at it and see where Dynavector are coming from. Yes, it's a gantry of an arm with further damping when tracking the groove horizontally (but that's a gradual movement), but there is very little mass to shift when tracking warps vertically. Thus its reputation for good tracking in general and compatibility across a wide spectrum of cartridges.
It plays music with a certain 'rightness' but without the edginess of some arms that enhance the perception of detail without there actually being any more.
Rare Bird
23-03-2010, 11:02
I can't understand why people are questioning martins decision to get this arm, from what I have read he has always wanted one and he realised a dream ..
Just poped on to put my 2 Cent before i dissapear for good, but thats another matter.
As the aboveis obviously aimed at me. For your information & Cawleys..I used to have the original version of Martins arm yonks ago, & i can't really see much of a difference with the Mk.II tbh! I had this fitted to four turntables & was only happy with one partnership.The reason for my original remark was that one of the turntables was the early '70's Technics 'SL110' (A better TT than the '1210' IMHO) didnt sound right, the best out of the four was the Luxman 'PD300'..Doesnt take a brain surgeon to work out why it was better match. Sorry Dave but i don't base findings around reviews.
chris@panteg
23-03-2010, 11:03
It plays music with a certain 'rightness' but without the edginess of some arms that enhance the perception of detail without there actually being any more.
Martin ' i feel this is the difference between the early Ekos over the Ittok , and i have owned both arm's .
Just poped on to put my 2 Cent before i dissapear for good....
Please don't ;)
Marco.
The Vinyl Adventure
23-03-2010, 18:52
Just poped on to put my 2 Cent before i dissapear for good, but thats another matter.
As the aboveis obviously aimed at me. For your information & Cawleys..I used to have the original version of Martins arm yonks ago, & i can't really see much of a difference with the Mk.II tbh! I had this fitted to four turntables & was only happy with one partnership.The reason for my original remark was that one of the turntables was the early '70's Technics 'SL110' (A better TT than the '1210' IMHO) didnt sound right, the best out of the four was the Luxman 'PD300'..Doesnt take a brain surgeon to work out why it was better match. Sorry Dave but i don't base findings around reviews.
it wasnt my intention to offend andre... to be honest i thought i had read a few negative from dave to but im not sure now if i had mis read ... dont leave on my account, i just wont say anything contriversail in your direction again if its likely to get you wound up
Dave Cawley
23-03-2010, 21:23
Guys, if you read this thread carefully, all those actually qualified to express an opinion, are all for the Dynavector!
Dave
twelvebears
23-03-2010, 21:31
Personally I think that any design with the kind of history of the Dynavector, which is still around after all these years AND commanding a price which makes and SME Series V look like a bargain, MUST be worthy of serious respect.
It would take a braver man than I and one with recent personal experience to start casting aspersions....
Would tend to agree with all of the protagonists above. I've always wanted to try the (then) 505 with an EMT. My only reservations (apart from price) has been the short, vertical moving, arm stub. Doesn't it exacerbate warp wow? (For us mere mortals who have less than perfectly flat records)
Regards
It actually handles warps very well since the stub arm has very low mass. What you would expect to hear is that there would be effects as a result of the stylus rake angle changing by more than a standard long arm. In reality, it doesn't seem to be noticeable.
It'll be interesting to see what the listeners think of low-bass reproduction as the horizontal inertia is so high. I have actually heard it's ancestor several times and haven't based my opinions "just" on reading a review - OK?
I await the results (on a modern system) with interest!
It definately has the right look on the Techie!
I'm driving down to Dartmouth tomorrow with my Technics deck for the Dynavector to be fitted. Because I have an early arm plate this will represent a plate upgrade too, the new style from the German company.
I'm not sure how much we'll be able to evaluate down at Sound Hi-Fi due to Dave's cat chewing his tweeters. Hopefully he has a spare pair of speakers?!
I salute the Jelco SA-250ST as a damn fine arm, one that has given me a great deal of pleasure. I am sure Hamish (who will be there tomorrow too) will enjoy it very much.
Sounds fun I hope it really works for you
chris@panteg
12-04-2010, 09:47
Hi Martin
I would say you are to be saluted ' for going for this Beast of an arm ' and pushing the Techie 1210 to its limit , i mean up to now the SME V has been the most high end arm fitted ? .
I am sure its going to be a revelation for you ' hope it go's well:)
Hi Martin and Hamish,
Enjoy your day down at Dave's, as I know you will :)
Marco.
P.S Make sure you try some of Jill's amazing home-made cake! ;)
The Vinyl Adventure
12-04-2010, 20:11
:lol: cheers buddy, early start and about 7 hours total on the train over the day is a bit of a bummer but I'm entierly sure it will be worth it!
Likewise I'm in the hands of the A303 but hopefully it'll be a good drive. Really looking forward to it and, of course, there'll be a full report afterwards. I've already posted a prequel :)
The Vinyl Adventure
13-04-2010, 06:33
Well, I'm sat at Cheltenham, first change,17 minutes delayed which fucks up my second conection at Exeter quite nicely! Public transport in this country is crap! And I'm so cold!!!
No worries, I'm having a coffee and rather nice bacon roll after an excellent drive :)
Citation16
23-04-2010, 01:11
The arm looks like a serious contender.
Set up seems intimidating while I wonder what all the different adjustments do...
In a ny case, bravo for the purchase; cant wait to read comments on what it sounds like...
Citation, my arm review is here http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6044
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