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montesquieu
05-04-2018, 13:22
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I’m not a great hifi show goer by any means. I do like to go to the odd one every few years, but when I do go it’s usually a bit of an opportunity for smugness (as I’m sure it is for a lot of us here) ... I generally go home chuffed at the idea that what I have at home is far better than some megabucks setups I’ve just been exposed to. It’s extremely unusual for me to be so struck by something at a show that I go and buy it within days.

But there always has to be an exception - and the new Tilmestep 12in tonearm, the T-612, turned out to be one.

I saw it on a stand on the ground floor, the 9in version on one of the new Technics decks, with its distinctive banana shape. I immediately recognised it as related to the Audio Creative Groovemaster II, made in Holland using state of the art hybrid ceramic bearings, with several rave reviews accumulated already.

It was explained to me that Timestep had created an arm based on the Dutch arm (the Dutch build it as you’d expect), with a number of subtle differences: first of all the geometry was 290mm - a straight drop in for people looking to upgrade a 12in Jelco 750L (the Dutch original has a longer spindle to pivot) - a good move I think. In the Timestep version, silver wiring and titanium arm tube are standard (they are plus-cash options on the Groovemaster). And of course there were the 9in and 10in versions (which I believe the Dutch don’t offer), the 9in aimed I guess at use on Technics decks, 10in at vintage Japanese decks like the SP10, and the 12in version aimed at idlers - Garrards, TD124s and Lenco projects - with the 12in in particular focused on users of low compliance cartridges. All the bases covered, with the 12in right up my street in terms of cartridges. Though in fact all of them are suitable for low compliance cartridges - the 12in is 29g effective mass, but even the 9in is 26g.

I did get a quick listen on headphones to the 9in arm, but I had been curious about the Dutch arm for several years and had read pretty much all there is out there about it; the fact that a version of it was now available with support in the UK rapidly made my mind up.

I went home, thought about it, and contacted Hugo of Ammonite Audio the next day to see if he could get me one. It arrived fairly quickly. On unboxing, it was clear that this was pretty well thought out: it comes with the same selection of arm weight + extra weights for different cartridges as the Dutch arm. I ordered the optional SME pattern sliding base (for me an essential rather than an option) - this bolted straight on same the armboard used previously for SME M2-12R and Ortofon RMG 309 Limited. The package included is a very useful laminated protractor, and I had it up and running with my Ortofon SPU Royal N in a matter of minutes. The base is quite a clever thing, the collet can go four different ways (facing up, down, or flipped) to give different combinations of support to the arm pillar depending on how high or low it needs to sit on the plinth and how much travel you need in any direction along the sliding base. Neat!

Probably the most impressive thing about the TT, apart from the smoothness of the bearings, is the titanium arm tube, it’s quite a lovely thing to handle, weighty but well balanced. And the looks are fantastic with that EMT-inspired banana shape.

On listening, I was quite taken aback - this thing has turned out to be one of the best tonearms I’ve ever heard. It almost felt like it made a cheap MM (£45) cartridge sound like an expensive MC (the performance of my Shure SC35C is hilariously good on this arm), while expensive MCs sounded quite superb. My recently acquired Decca-style ’no cantilever' Ikeda 9C III - which takes a huge amount of controlling and can disappoint on an inadequate arm - was quite stunning.

In my opinion it betters my old SME M2-12R by quite a distance (and a Schick 12in I had before that). I have quite a stable of low compliance cartridges - Miyajima Madake and several Miyajima monos in addition to the Ikeda and the Royal N - and it’s been a pleasure to listen, compare and contrast, for hours at a stretch. It seems to bring together control and quietness in the groove with maximum detail extraction and the relaxed, musical quality that I tend to associate with longer tonearms. It’s an intoxicating combination. For some reason it’s been almost wall to wall jazz since its arrival (something about that relaxed, laid back quality?) but it’s very good with classical too. Recording ambience, 3d layering, the finest detail, deep bass - they are all there in spades and in a musical way, not fragmented and deconstructed into constituent parts.

Are there any down sides to this arm? Well the only criticism I could make is that it feels rather more cheaply accessorised than an SME - it seems to me that the money has gone into the arm’s performance rather than into bling: the arm lift looks pure Jelco (why reinvent the wheel I guess?), while the arm retaining ‘clip’ is a kind of plastic clothespeg - odd, but it works well. The SME sliding base, while 100% functional and secure is plain and unbranded and feels less substantial than the one on my previous Ortofon; the azimuth adjustment is one bolt rather than the two substantial countersunk bolts on the Ortofon. And for smoothness and adjustability, the dynamic balance of my old Ortofon RMG does take some beating (that has some pretty nice bearings in it too as well as a lovely finish) - the static balance on the Timestep arm by contrast is a strictly manual affair involving fine motor skills to tweak the position of the counterweight.

But these really are just minor quibbles given its performance, and simply demonstrate priorities. All in all, for £1600 including the sliding base, brand new with with warranty, it seems to me to be an out and out bargain, though that doesn’t include a tonearm cable - I’ve been using my trusty Audio Note AN-V silver litz cable which seems to have synergy with the internal silver wiring. No-brainer indeed for us idler nuts.

Incidentally anyone referencing this for using this tonearm with an Ortofon SPU, using the supplied protractor and my Dr Freickert alignment tool, I ended up at 291.5mm for the 52mm collet-to-stylus tip distance on the SPU, rather than the standard 290mm which I assume is based on 50mm.

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Ammonite Audio
05-04-2018, 13:41
Thanks for your kind words, Tom! It is indeed a lovely thing and if I did not already have a 9" Glanz MH-94S arm on the SL-1200GR, it would be sporting one of these. I know that Timestep are looking at speccing a bespoke counterweight as an option, so that it fits under the cover of any Technics SL-1200, instead of the longish weight shown above. That option will be confirmed in due course.

Ali Tait
05-04-2018, 16:07
Interesting Tom, seems an ideal choice for my 401, like the way it looks too.

keith1962
05-04-2018, 18:06
Nice write up Tom. I have the aluminium tubed A.C. GM2 bought direct from A.C. in Holland on my 401 running a Shilabe and it is really very good, especially at the price. I have toyed with the idea of changing it for the Ti tubed version but where do you stop??!!
Might look at a change of cart instead!! Any recommendations to improve on the Shilabe?
BTW, I got Speedysteve to make me a sliding base for mine out of brass as they didn't do their own at the time.

Moko
05-04-2018, 19:47
Sounds a great arm and a very sensible idea to make it the same length as the Jelco to enable people to easily upgrade their arm.

I am in the process of trying to achieve an upgrade on my old Jelco 750L (hence the sale of my Roger Studio 1’s in the ads) but I wonder if anyone has compared this arm to the new knife edge 12” arms from Jelco

Lee Henley
05-04-2018, 20:10
Nice write up Tom, I also had a look at this at the Bristol Show and it catched my eye too. When I finally finish my Lenco project one of these could be making its way to the house.

chris@panteg
06-04-2018, 11:42
Looks great on the 1200GR, interesting arm.

Moko
06-04-2018, 13:54
This May seem a silly question but what’s the point of a sliding base for arms like this?

montesquieu
06-04-2018, 14:02
This May seem a silly question but what’s the point of a sliding base for arms like this?

Flexibility in using different cartridges including fixed heads from the likes of Ortofon or EMT without having to cut a new arm board each time.

montesquieu
07-04-2018, 23:42
Nice write up Tom. I have the aluminium tubed A.C. GM2 bought direct from A.C. in Holland on my 401 running a Shilabe and it is really very good, especially at the price. I have toyed with the idea of changing it for the Ti tubed version but where do you stop??!!
Might look at a change of cart instead!! Any recommendations to improve on the Shilabe?
BTW, I got Speedysteve to make me a sliding base for mine out of brass as they didn't do their own at the time.

Great idea on the sliding base I'm sure Steve did a super job. Maybe Audio Creative would sell you a Ti arm wand? I'm sure someone like J7 or Angus could stick it on for you.

As for improving on the Shilabe that's a tough one ... I moved to it from an Audio Note Io which I previously thought was about the best I could sensibly lay my hands on (given the need for a top-quality, specialist SUT to get the best out of it), somehow I felt the Shilabe did all the hifi stuff just as well, but was more musical / holistic in how it did it. After a Kansui (which I'm not sure was an upgrade as such, just another flavour from the Shilabe) I've ended up with a Madake which is a truly stunning cartridge, outpointing even my other two 'star' cartridges, an SPU Royal N (a model I've owned three times now - keep coming back to it) and my recently acquired Ikeda 9C III which is also a fabulous cartridge in its directness and immediacy, but somehow the Madake just eases ahead in its effortlessness.

The only cartridge I've heard in my system that I'd truly put on a par with the Madake is the Ortofon SPU 95th Anniversary. I'm currently racking my brains as to how I can afford a 100th Anniversary SPU when they get released in May at Munich High End. No doubt most of them will pass into the hands of collectors [pauses to spit on the ground] who will never play them but keep them in an air-conditioned cupboard somewhere. But who knows maybe somebody somewhere will want to sell their 95th Anniversary off to raise funds for one.

WESTLOWER
09-04-2018, 10:14
I had to visit Tom's place yesterday on some other business aside from Vinyl music reproduction, but, inevitably, within a couple of minutes of stepping foot in the house, the old Thorens TD 124 Idler was spinning!

So I had the pleasure of enjoying a taste of what the Timestep T-612 tonearm arm can deliver.
The arc of the arm tube is just beautiful, a really lovely thing. I have to say, it did intimidate me slightly so I politely declined Tom's offer for me to spin a record with it. Maybe it was the the Arc of the arm or the
cantilever-less cartridge that was sitting proudly at the end of it.. anyhow it threw me and I declined!
Funny how we get used to our own set ups and then others equipment seems scary (I've had this with people who visit my place and confront the task of the dreaded unipivot handling:rolleyes:

Paired with Tom's other new toy, (there are a few) an Ikeda 9C III, cantilever-less design MC cartridge, the Tilmestep T-612 tonearm, was a perfect partner for such a cartridge, indeed it was also a great partner with the other cartridge Tom employed during my visit, the Ortofon SPU Royal N moving coil.

It was with the Ikeda 9C III the real magic appeared though. The Timestep T-612 being a 12'' arm was relaxed but no slouch and helped deliver simply amazing dynamics from this cartridge and a truly sumptuous midrange. It was very special. Was it the arm or the cartridge that was shining? Well both. On another Tonearm the AT 1010,
Tom assured me the Ikeda 9C III cartridge was pretty poor. It takes quite an arm to control this special cartridge, which the Timestep T-612 did with real authority.

We had previously in the session played a CD of The Ray Brown Trio Solar Energy, Concord Jazz, with the fabulous Gene Harris on piano, using Tom's CD / DAC set up (a very nice CD/DAC combination indeed!!) and it really was fantastic, just great timing, music swinging, the toe was tapping.

Off Tom went and had a rummage in his racks and pulled out a Vinyl cut of the same Ray Brown record.
(always a nervy thing to do comparing A/B CD to vinyl, too many variables)
The needle dropped, Oh Sweet Lordy!! the music basically burst into life, one of those moments where you just nod your head and mutter, 'there it is!" I can't do all that Audiophile jive talk, but the music got squeegeed
like someone had put a defibrillator on the music, but not just the extremes, the subtle beauty was all still present.

And there it is indeed, The Tilmestep T-612 'Banana' tonearm, paired with something I'd never experienced before
a Cantilever-less design MC cartridge. A terrific combo, as indeed are Ray Brown and Gene Harris.
Audio Bliss!

keith1962
10-04-2018, 16:52
Thanks for the info Tom. One way or another a change from the Shilabe would be expensive and I am not sure the Madake (for example) would be that much of an improvement. The SPU Royal N would probably be more of a side step. Might look at keeping the Shilabe and looking for something like a used SPU Royal or A95 if any come up as I like that look in the wood headshell. Have you seen the new SPU wood in the A style headshell?

montesquieu
10-04-2018, 19:37
Thanks for the info Tom. One way or another a change from the Shilabe would be expensive and I am not sure the Madake (for example) would be that much of an improvement. The SPU Royal N would probably be more of a side step. Might look at keeping the Shilabe and looking for something like a used SPU Royal or A95 if any come up as I like that look in the wood headshell. Have you seen the new SPU wood in the A style headshell?

I have tenatively thought of selling the Madake to fund the latest SPU 100th anniversary due out in May but then I put it on and change my mind ...

Yes the SPU Wood is realy cool but you'd need an adapter ... they are available though. Tempting just for a bit of fun.

How about this for an upgrade to the Shilabe - Miyajima step-up tailor made for it has just appeared in the classifieds ....

Patrick Dixon
11-04-2018, 08:32
I am interested to know if this has been tried with a Decca (C4E specifically) and how well it works.

montesquieu
11-04-2018, 12:10
I am interested to know if this has been tried with a Decca (C4E specifically) and how well it works.

The Ikeda cartridge is similar in design - it has no cantilever but is connected straight up into the coils via a short bridge - and has similar qualities of immediacy. In general unipivots are recommended for these as the majority of gimballed arms seem to struggle with the energy a Decca puts out (and I think the Ikeda is the same, it really struggled in an otherwise rather good arm, the AT 1010), but the Timestep not just copes with the Ikeda but actually lifts it. I'm not experienced enough with Deccas to answer but my guess is it would work similarlly.

Patrick Dixon
11-04-2018, 17:27
Thanks. It sounds interesting ...

montesquieu
16-04-2018, 16:28
Well this has set the cat among the pigeons ... as luck (or fate) would have it an offer came along that I couldn't refuse, for the 12in version of the 9in Ikeda IT-345 CR1 arm I already own .. the IT-407. After verifying its provenance (I had a fairly long list of questions for the seller), the only think I could do was to nab it.

Retailing at almost six grand to the Timestep's £1600 you'd expect it to be a slam dunk in the performance department but it's not nearly as simple as that. It has an effective mass of 20g without headshell - which is less than the 9in version of the Timestep and very possibly less than the chromed 9in Ikeda (there are no official figures) - as well as being a whopping 9g less effective mass than the Timestep 12in arm.

It's a tribute to just how good the Timestep's bearings, wiring and balance are that their relative performance is pretty much down to whether the cartridge likes that additional tonearm mass or not. It was clear that the Miyajima Madake prefers the heavier arm. The Ikeda 9C III (shown in the pics), as you'd expect, goes the other way it sounds totally at home. SPU seems to have no preference. The vintage SAEC C3 I picked up recently (that I was so impressed with) was kicked up a further notch - not as low compliance as the other cartridges, it was clearly more at home in the less massy arm. Like the SPUs, the Miyajima monos are pretty agnostic, essentially sounding superb in both.

There are other differences too .. the Timestep is static balance, depending (like the majority of tonearms) on gravity to provide the tracking force, whereas the Ikeda has dynamic balance, a spring mechanism providing the downforce (as with the FR64/FR66 before it). I was able to bring the Madake up to par on the lighter arm by slightly increasing the spring downforce. All in all it looks light a sleeker, lighter, more delicate arm and that's how it feels when you handle it too.

Anyway I've been swapping them over back and forth for a few days now scratching my head ... I just can't figure which of them I like best and it's not something I suspect I'll resolve lightly. I might even need to keep both! (I have been tentatively pondering an SP10 project, out of curiosity as I've never owned one).

I did manage to dig into the history a bit ... the new arrival in its satin finish is a fairly early example, possibly made by Ikeda himself, most likely in the early 90s ... he certainly personally made all the cartridges that bear his name before 2011, when he sold off the business and retired. (He must be well in his 90s now). My 9in Ikeda is a post-2011 model with a few small design changes, heavier as I mentioned. This is still with Angus (Phonomac) for fettling so it will be facinating to compare the two, made 20 years apart, when it arrives back.

One thing I can say is that the Timestep has not been in the least embarrassed by the comparison and scored a few clear wins with certain cartridges - it also handles more securely I think and that titanium arm tube is really quite something, to set against the Ikeda's soft satin steel. One plus for the Ikeda though - the overhang at the back is a lot less, and I can get the lid on again ....

Anyway some piccies:

https://i.imgur.com/dJ9QkbT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0FrQjTR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1dCBTas.jpg

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montesquieu
16-04-2018, 17:30
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Bigman80
16-04-2018, 17:56
That's an enviable collection you've got there,Tom.

I think I prefer the looks of the timestep Banana arm. I'd love to try one of those 9TT carts, I think I'd like them.

WESTLOWER
16-04-2018, 18:55
The Ikeda 12" sure is a stunner. What beautiful synergy with the 9C III cartridge. Just Perfect.
It will be interesting when you put the 9" version in next to it, different flavour or too similar!
Can't wait for the next instalment...

Mike Reed
16-04-2018, 21:13
I'm a little speechless at this latest chapter from the 'Chronicles of Tom'. I have to say that in appearance neither arm floats my boat, but I'm just so used to straight armed 12 inchers, I 'spose. Having said that, the Timestep one is a genuinely higher mass one (like the Glanz), and is so obviously suited to Miyajimas, the SPU and presumably, Koetsus. Not sure how that arm-rest works, though. The Ikeda arm looks to have a simple but effective clip like my PU7, but the Timestep one looks like a big black peg ! Your pic. without it suggests that it's removable, which is odd.

Presumably the arm only comes with detachable head-shell, Tom and I wonder what other mounts are available. I have to say that the price is pretty good for that performance and may reflect the fact that it's made in Europe rather than Japan. I assume that the wiring is two piece, as in SME, but wonder what kind of coupling connector is used.

Look forward to more investigative audio journalism, Tom; great stuff !

montesquieu
16-04-2018, 21:52
I'm a little speechless at this latest chapter from the 'Chronicles of Tom'. I have to say that in appearance neither arm floats my boat, but I'm just so used to straight armed 12 inchers, I 'spose. Having said that, the Timestep one is a genuinely higher mass one (like the Glanz), and is so obviously suited to Miyajimas, the SPU and presumably, Koetsus. Not sure how that arm-rest works, though. The Ikeda arm looks to have a simple but effective clip like my PU7, but the Timestep one looks like a big black peg ! Your pic. without it suggests that it's removable, which is odd.

Presumably the arm only comes with detachable head-shell, Tom and I wonder what other mounts are available. I have to say that the price is pretty good for that performance and may reflect the fact that it's made in Europe rather than Japan. I assume that the wiring is two piece, as in SME, but wonder what kind of coupling connector is used.

Look forward to more investigative audio journalism, Tom; great stuff !

The arm clip - yes it's like a large clothespeg and it works really well! It's weighty enough to keep the arm down when changing cartridges. It's the opposite of fiddly and works well with the aesthetic of the arm.

Yes both are the usual Ortofon/SME detachable 4-pin headshell/screw up collet. Not sure you'd want any alternative mounts, the only other removable headshell system with any widespread traction these days is the 'diamond' 4-pin layout EMT arrangement but since you can get EMT cartridges with an SME fitting nowadays you aren't really missing out. The connector on the base of both arms is a standard 5-pin connector (per SME/Linn/Ortofon/Jelco etc) - any standard arm cable will do as I mentioned I've been using an Audio Note AN-V silver litz arm cable that I've had for ages, using it on both arms. Both arms are internally silver-wired.