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REW
16-03-2010, 00:04
It is quite apparent that both enthusiasm for and knowledge about SL1200s abound here, and I want to try an alternative to my current deck with pitch stability as a key requirement. So, of course 1200s come to mind and therefore this is the perfect place to ask!

How about an SL1210, RB250 modded (wire and weight)? I have read a few thoughts here that this arm may not be best suited, or have I got that wrong?

I tend to prefer MM (despite the obvious clarity of my DL160) for the punch and easy amplification and would probably go Goldring 1042, say, in time

Or, I could buy a standard 1200 and go from there in easy stages, as described herre in detail.

Any views?

jandl100
16-03-2010, 08:10
I'm a newly infatuated 1210 newbie, and I'm sure that more knowledgeable folks will be along soon.

But I must admit that the Denon 103 (or its superior variants) seems to go very well with the deck ... and that may be a worthwhile goal even for a mm lover! ... in which case an RB250 may not be a good move.

I've been more than a bit pleased with the sq that emanates from the stock 1210 arm with a 103, especially once you get a Sumiko headshell and a Herbie LP mat. :)

DSJR
16-03-2010, 08:26
The Rega arms, certainly the older 250/300, seem to prefer a composite or wooden arm-board on some decks. I still don't think the techie with its metal fixings is the right deck for one of these, in the same way that a NAS deck is excellent for a Rega arm as playing height can be set with the fixing collet. Energy travelling down the arm may not be dissipated correctly at the mounting plate, although I have no means of measuring to see if it's a correct assumption.

As said above, the standard arm still has some merit and responds to re-wiring..

mike1210
16-03-2010, 09:13
I had a modded Rega arm on mine (Origin Live Silver) with a Goldring 1042 and to be honest I wasn't feeling it. Much prefer the jelco that's on there now with the Denon DL-160:)

chris@panteg
16-03-2010, 10:26
I have not heard the techie with any type of rega based arm ' but there are so many users now who are singing the same tune ' regarding it as a mismatch ! .

My inclination having heard Marco's 1210 is either the sa750 or based on what Ralph ' and Dave Cawley has told me the SME 309 ' oh and of course the 250st .

DSJR
16-03-2010, 10:47
Oh yeah, the 1042... I personally feel that it's had its day. It started off as a perfect replacement for the Linn K9 when we ex-Linn dealers could no longer get it, but now I feel it to sound a bit leaden in the bass and tinselly in the treble, being bettered IMO by the AT440MLa (a good partner for the techie arm) and Ortofon's. I haven't heard the new Goldrings though, but maybe they're better...

Marco
16-03-2010, 11:25
Nope - I wouldn't put a Rega on a Techy, unless you've got one already and need to use it through lack of funds, or because you've got it and just want to see what it's like.

It can be made to work pretty well though, providing that the right cartridge is used. Something like an AT33PTG, OC-9, Lyra Dorian, or Ortofon 2M Black would do the job. I'd also have the arm rewired, stripped and polished by J7 at Audio Origami - all of which would help remove its rather 'grey' tonality and bland, matter-of-fact musical presentation (when used in the wrong set-up).

Thing is though, that makes it a fairly costly proposition, and rather more expensive than fitting, say, a Jelco SA-250 and AT33PTG, which are 'plug and play' in terms of compatibility with an SL-1200/1210, as well as sounding fantastic.

Dave,

I'm with you 100% on the 1042 - it's vastly overrated and can easily be bettered for the same or not much more money. The current Goldrings are not bad, but a bit bright and toppy sounding.

For me, without question, *THE* best moving magnet cartridges available by a country mile are the current Nagokas, which are absolutely superb, particularly (if you can afford them) the models near and at the top of the range (MP-200 and above). See here for details:

http://www.musonic.co.uk/cartridges-nagaoka-c-4_22.html

Basically, Nagaoka is a huge Japanese conglomerate that manufactures just about everything. Within the company, however, is a tiny audiophile division that specialises in not only their own cartridges, but OEM work, specifically cantilevers for just about every other cartridge firm on the planet. As a result, usually expensive components such as boron cantilevers are available in relatively inexpensive Nagaoka cartridges, which is precisely what makes them veritable 'giant killers'!

Frankly, their products deserve much wider recognition and exposure than they are currently getting in the marketplace, due to the commercial bias of the Ortofon/AT/Goldring bandwagon created by the hi-fi press. This is what happens when magazines are influenced by the marketing and advertising campaigns of the larger cartridge manufacturers, which is why it pays to think outside of the box and look beyond the end of your nose with hi-fi, in order to find the real gems!! ;)

Marco.

REW
16-03-2010, 11:53
Hmmm, so for a bit of a project to see where it leads in the pitch stable silent background SL1200 world, perhaps I try and pick up a good standard example and try it with my existing DL160, then go from there - re-wire arm, mat, sorbo feet then Jelco and whatever cartridge I land on or the balance of sound requires at that point? Its a plan!

Update - Marco, I missed your post as I typed, so to you (and others) I take the point about the Rega, thanks. Hence the starting point I outline. I remember Nagaoka and their reworked Chilton (IIRC) MP11 and did not realise they still produce carts - I will check the link.

Marco
16-03-2010, 12:39
Hi Ron,

No worries - you're welcome. Btw, where are you from? As AOS is a community of real people, rather than simply a faceless 'Internet board', we like to know that kind of info from our members.

Just a town in the UK or country elsewhere will do - it doesn't need to be anything too specific :)

Cheers! :cool:

Marco.

Jason P
16-03-2010, 13:03
I'll add another to the 'Don't do it!' pile for the Rega arms. I put an OL modded Rega (all the bells & whistles) on mine, and it just wasn't doing it for me. I preferred the stock arm, dullness and all, because it was far more musical.

I've now got a rewired (Origami) standard arm, with Sumiko headshell, KAB damper and brass counterweight - about as trick as you can get a standard arm, without the Funk update, and it's very musical. Maybe not the last word in detail, but it's a 250 arm instead of 400-odd for the Jelco 250 (once you've bought the plate and lead) and 600-odd for the 370. I'm happy with it for now, and you can get it done in stages. I've a spare standard arm I'm looking to sell in good nick, that you could use as a donor for a rewire if you wanted to...

Jason

REW
16-03-2010, 13:48
Thanks for the advice (and offer) Jason. I am keeping an eye on ebay ads at the mo as I need a deck for the journey to begin... I also fancy re-wiring as a DIY prospect, has anyone tried it? Last arm I took apart was a Thorens TP16 years ago and I take lots of motorbike bits apart. I know there are some differences, but still!

Profile updated Marco

Marco
16-03-2010, 13:57
Profile updated Marco


Cheers, Ron! :)

Marco.

Beobloke
16-03-2010, 16:53
I would also tend to advise caution with Regas - either go for a bog standard RB301, which really does sound quite decent for 180, or splash out and go for an RB1000, which is a very impressive beast. I agree with Marco that the RB250/251 only really comes alive once you've given Michell or Audio Origami a fair wad of cash - the trouble is, this will buy you various other arms, all of which I would prefer!

Alternatively, the Jelco SA-250ST would be my more budget choice, or the SA-750D, Roksan Nima or Consonance ST988 if you can afford a bit more. If you're really pushing the boat out then the SME 309 works a treat but I personally wouldn't spend any more on a standard SL-1200.

Cartridge-wise, I do have to jump in and defend the 1042 as I still think it's a lovely thing, with truly delicious treble and a wonderfully smooth, open and detailed midrange. Personally, it would be high on my list.

Marco
16-03-2010, 17:10
Hi Adam,

I was with you 100% up until your last paragraph:


Cartridge-wise, I do have to jump in and defend the 1042 as I still think it's a lovely thing, with truly delicious treble and a wonderfully smooth, open and detailed midrange.


Lol! :eyebrows:

Where and in what context have you heard a 1042 sound like that? The last one I heard was in a Michell Gyrodec on a rewired RB300, and it sounded bland, thin, mechanical, and about as musically appealing as spending an evening with Hilda Ogden singing classics such as 'The hills are alive with the sound of music' to an audience of (stained) simmet-wearing old men in a Manchester working man's club!

Have you heard any of the new range of Nagaokas - particularly the MP-200 and above? Those knock the 1042 and similar nonsense from Ortofon into a cocked hat! I believe that Noel was quite taken with the MP-500 ;)

Marco.

jantheman
16-03-2010, 17:13
Hi Adam,

I was with you 100% until your last paragraph:



Lol! :eyebrows:

Where and in what context have you heard a 1042 sound like that? The last one I heard was in a Michell Gyrodec on a rewired RB300, and it sounded bland, thin, mechanical, and about as musically appealing as spending an evening with Hilda Ogden singing classics such as 'The hills are alive with the sound of music' to an audience of (stained) simmet-wearing old men in a Manchester working man's club!

Have you heard any of the new range of Nagaokas - particularly the MP-200 and above? Those knock the 1042 and similar nonsense from Ortofon into a cocked hat! I believe that Noel was quite taken with the 500 ;)

Marco.-
Is Hilda available on disc somewhere.....an absolute classic that everyone should own.

Marco
16-03-2010, 17:31
I've got the original and also the 1992 electro-dub, hip-hop remix with guest vocals by Val Doonican.

PM me for copy.

Marco.

The Grand Wazoo
16-03-2010, 18:32
........I remember Nagaoka and their reworked Chilton (IIRC) MP11 ...........


Chilton?
Stanton?

REW
16-03-2010, 19:12
Sorry Chris, I got that wrong it was Stilton Audio reworking of the MP11 that was a budget fave 25 years ago - it was a rebodied version

REW
16-03-2010, 19:15
So, how about a Nima DL160 duo on a 1200 - any idea how different this would sound to my current Tecnodec. Speed stable to a fault, but more authority? Perhaps the standard arm would gain me more in that regard?

The Grand Wazoo
16-03-2010, 19:17
I knew you'd get there in the end!

DSJR
16-03-2010, 21:16
I like the Nima personally, but the price is creeping up since it was launched..

Just get a bloody Jelco 750D with a DL160 or 110, or better still, a BPS Evo III, which should clear away the fuzzy cobwebs hinted at by the slightly bland 160 - IMO of course..

Magna Audio
16-03-2010, 21:45
Ditto the above on an all O.L mooded RB250 but a Pionner PL-71 arm and mat (long story) on a wooden arm board adaptor worked wonders - As does a top of the range Ortofon Royal N SPU (imp matching important too)...

Beobloke
17-03-2010, 10:33
Where and in what context have you heard a 1042 sound like that? The last one I heard was in a Michell Gyrodec on a rewired RB300, and it sounded bland, thin, mechanical, and about as musically appealing as spending an evening with Hilda Ogden singing classics such as 'The hills are alive with the sound of music' to an audience of (stained) simmet-wearing old men in a Manchester working man's club!

Have you heard any of the new range of Nagaokas - particularly the MP-200 and above? Those knock the 1042 and similar nonsense from Ortofon into a cocked hat! I believe that Noel was quite taken with the MP-500 ;)

Marco.

On a Pioneer PLC-590 with SME M2-10 arm, on a standard Technics SL-1210, on a Rega Planar 3/RB300, on various Pro-Jects, on.....well, you get the idea; basically I have always liked the 1042.

As to the Nagaokas, I was impressed by the MP150 and did also like the MP500 but still much preferred the Ortofon 2M Black (as does Noel). Ultimately I think you and I agreed to disagree on our cartridge preferences a while back, so let's leave it at that! ;)

Dave Cawley
17-03-2010, 11:01
Bring on the OC9 and Shelter 501 II !!

Dave

Marco
17-03-2010, 11:03
Lol - that's fine by me, Adam. I just wish that Noel would acknowledge and 'promote' the Nagaokas in HFW as much as he does the bloody Ortofons and Goldrings! :eyebrows:

;)

I heard a 2M Black recently in my system, and thought it excellent, but was ultimately trounced by the 103SA (at I believe around the same price).

Marco.

chris@panteg
17-03-2010, 11:28
Hi Marco

What do you think of the shelter 501 ' not heard one myself but maybe get to hear it at the London show next week !

Marco
17-03-2010, 11:46
Hi Chris,

It's a very good cartridge (as are all the Shelter range). I'd certainly use one before I would the likes of a Lyra or Dynavector, as it combines some of the weight, 'tone' and communicative midrange of the 103SA with the filigree detail retrieval of the OC9.

It's actually a bargain (and a bit of a 'giant-killer') at its price I think of around 600. Is that correct, Dave? :)

I think you'd like it, Chris. Would I swap one though for my 103SA? Erm.......no - not quite.

Marco.

chris@panteg
17-03-2010, 11:51
Thanks Marco

Somehow i knew you would say that:) the 103sa does sound rather lovely , with a added mass how would it perform in a 309 ? ' i know Ralph uses a ZU version in his and is very happy with it .

Marco
17-03-2010, 12:28
The ZU version is fantastic, Chris, and very similar to the 'SA' that I use. The 309 would be fine with added mass at the headshell, but not as good as a Jelco SA-750 in this type of application.

Basically, as far as the Denon is concerned, it takes sorting out the crap (highly resonant) plastic body-shell of the 'cooking' 103 before the true potential of its superb generator and stylus assembly is realised. People are beginning to cotton onto this now, which is why there are quite a few companies offering aftermarket body-shell upgrades for 103s, which significantly improve its performance.

Then all one needs to further optimise its performance is a medium to high-mass arm (together with a good SUT), which allow it to work as Denon intended when it was originally released all those years ago - and indeed how it has ALWAYS been used in Japan by discerning audiophiles there and elsewhere around the world.

Unfortunately in the UK we were for years brainwashed by the nonsense that high (and medium) mass S-shaped detachable headshell arms (the sort needed to get a 103 to work properly) were crap, and that low to medium-mass fixed headshell straight tonearms were automatically better, which was bollocks! The industry in the UK was also rather anti-SUT (preferring active MC stages instead) - or perhaps just simply ignorant of the sonic benefits these devices can give in the right circumstances.

It might have been true that such tonearms were not terribly good where 'normal' cartridges were concerned (and to be fair there were some bad examples of these types of tonearms around at the time), but not with something like the DL-103, which was designed in an era where the high-mass route was the defacto 'norm', particularly in broadcasting studios where the partnering turntables and tonearms were built like battleships and resembled more pieces of industrial sculpture than audio equipment!

Therefore, in order to release the full potential of the DL-103, one must (as close as possible) replicate the 'operating environment' within which it was designed to be used, and today that means using a vintage T/T (such as a Pioneer PL-71) or preferably something like a Garrard 301 or 401, Thorens TD-124 or Technics SP10 or SL-1200 - the latter all of which were used in the broadcasting industry at one time, the DL-103's natural home - and in terms of new equipment, a tonearm like the Jelco SA-750 (with a heavy headshell), which is absolutely talior-made for the DL-103.

And we have Mr Cawley to thank for importing them into the UK! :cool:

The fact is, you will not hear the full sonic potential of a DL-103 if used in modern set-ups, and on something ridiculously inappropriate such as an RB250/300/301. Unfortunately though people try it like that, then discover it sounds crap, and blame it on the cartridge rather than the inappropriate partnering ancillaries! :rolleyes:

This is why there is so much misinformation around, and also badly formed conclusions, about the DL-103.

Sorry for rambling on a bit, but I simply wished to expand a little on the question you asked and provide some rationale for my viewpoint :)

Marco.

REM
17-03-2010, 13:01
Interesting stuff, particularly as I might have to retire the ZU 103 early, with great reluctance I should say, due to output issues (long story) and was wondering, is there life after a 103?

Obviously I had thought of the AT 33ptg and the Lyra Dorian as contenders at each end of the potential affordability range but had forgotten about the Shelter, however the Sound HiFi website is a little contradictory regarding the output level of the 301 and 501 mentioning figures of 0.3, 0.4, and 0.5mv!, so question is, anyone know the correct figure?

If the Shelter's o/p is nearer the 0.5 end of the scale then it could definitely on the wish list.

Cheers:cool:

Dave Cawley
17-03-2010, 13:10
Let's hear the long story first?

Dave

REM
17-03-2010, 20:18
Let's hear the long story first?

Dave


The long story relates to the length of time it took to get my new preamp to be built and shipped over from the US of A, basically if it could go wrong it did but it's here now and sounding rather nice.

However, the demo unit which I was using until 'my' amp arrived is fitted with on-board SUTs meant for very low output m/cs like SPUs etc., whereas my amp has the standard phono stage intended for use with 'normal' low o/p mcs. The ZU 103 with its 0.3mv o/p falls right between the two, there being almost too much gain with the SUTs but not quite enough with the standard input, the ZU works perfectly well but a tad more gain would be nice hence the reason for me considering changing the cart.

The more searching on the interwebs you do the more figures you come up with for the o/p voltage of the Shelters so can you, or anyone, shed some definitive light on the subject?

Cheers.

DSJR
17-03-2010, 20:59
Sumiko Blackbird - clean sounding with no sharpness up top or sogginess lower down, good tracking, fragile in handling 'cos there's no body, but a clear step ahead of the denon 110/160 and the excellent value, but slightly cruder BPS..

Dave Cawley
17-03-2010, 23:10
Too much gain, unlikely? What is the unit question? We are talking about less than 2dB?

Regards

Dave

REM
18-03-2010, 00:29
Too many Dave's here, so DSJR first, thank you for the advice but I am talking low output mc cartridges into high gain mc cartridge phono stage here, not high output mc's into mm stages. FWIW I have used Sumiko BPS (with previous amp) for many moons and rate said cartridge very highly, given that it costs less now than it did a decade ago it should be on the top of the SPPV for anyone looking for a good 'band for the buck' cart. IMHO.

Sound HiFi Dave, don't really know what you mean by the 2db statement, my question simply refers to the lack of any definitive information regarding the voltage output of the Shelter cartridges, the more poking about on the web you do the more conflicting information you get.

Cheers

chris@panteg
18-03-2010, 01:26
The ZU version is fantastic, Chris, and very similar to the 'SA' that I use. The 309 would be fine with added mass at the headshell, but not as good as a Jelco SA-750 in this type of application.

Basically, as far as the Denon is concerned, it takes sorting out the crap (highly resonant) plastic body-shell of the 'cooking' 103 before the true potential of its superb generator and stylus assembly is realised. People are beginning to cotton onto this now, which is why there are quite a few companies offering aftermarket body-shell upgrades for 103s, which significantly improve its performance.

Then all one needs to further optimise its performance is a medium to high-mass arm (together with a good SUT), which allow it to work as Denon intended when it was originally released all those years ago - and indeed how it has ALWAYS been used in Japan by discerning audiophiles there and elsewhere around the world.

Unfortunately in the UK we were for years brainwashed by the nonsense that high (and medium) mass S-shaped detachable headshell arms (the sort needed to get a 103 to work properly) were crap, and that low to medium-mass fixed headshell straight tonearms were automatically better, which was bollocks! The industry in the UK was also rather anti-SUT (preferring active MC stages instead) - or perhaps just simply ignorant of the sonic benefits these devices can give in the right circumstances.

It might have been true that such tonearms were not terribly good where 'normal' cartridges were concerned (and to be fair there were some bad examples of these types of tonearms around at the time), but not with something like the DL-103, which was designed in an era where the high-mass route was the defacto 'norm', particularly in broadcasting studios where the partnering turntables and tonearms were built like battleships and resembled more pieces of industrial sculpture than audio equipment!

Therefore, in order to release the full potential of the DL-103, one must (as close as possible) replicate the 'operating environment' within which it was designed to be used, and today that means using a vintage T/T (such as a Pioneer PL-71) or preferably something like a Garrard 301 or 401, Thorens TD-124 or Technics SP10 or SL-1200 - the latter all of which were used in the broadcasting industry at one time, the DL-103's natural home - and in terms of new equipment, a tonearm like the Jelco SA-750 (with a heavy headshell), which is absolutely talior-made for the DL-103.

And we have Mr Cawley to thank for importing them into the UK! :cool:

The fact is, you will not hear the full sonic potential of a DL-103 if used in modern set-ups, and on something ridiculously inappropriate such as an RB250/300/301. Unfortunately though people try it like that, then discover it sounds crap, and blame it on the cartridge rather than the inappropriate partnering ancillaries! :rolleyes:

This is why there is so much misinformation around, and also badly formed conclusions, about the DL-103.

Sorry for rambling on a bit, but I simply wished to expand a little on the question you asked and provide some rationale for my viewpoint :)

Marco.

Marco ' thats a powerful and persuasive point of view .

You certainly are very passionate about this old plodder (noel keywoods description not mine lol):)

as i have so little experience of the 103 ' i can only say i am curious about the damn thing , it certainly had a sound and presentation which reminded me of the IO ' that lucid seductive mid band ' which draws you into the music.

I think i want to hear it again ' and the shelter 501 as Dave makes a good case for it as a good match for his SP10/SMEV .

chris@panteg
18-03-2010, 01:29
BTW i just had a late night sesh on the Guinness ' so still up and wide awake ' sort of and smashed ' hic

Barry
18-03-2010, 01:39
Having just typed Shelter 501 II into Google, I find the sensitivity to be quoted as 0.4mV (at 5cm/s) 70% of the time and 0.5mV elsewhere.

Really this is of little consequence; no step up device is that critical. As Dave has said, 2dB is negligible compared to the ~80dB dynamic range of the record. It is more likely an indication of cartridge manufacturing tolerance. All that really matters is that both channels have the same sensitivity.

Just go ahead and buy with confidence. :)

Marco
18-03-2010, 07:16
Hi Chris,


Marco ' thats a powerful and persuasive point of view .

You certainly are very passionate about this old plodder (noel keywoods description not mine lol)


Lol - that's because he doesn't know any better! If he'd heard the comparison between his beloved Ortofon 2M Black (an example of which Shuggie brought round to mine recently) and my 103SA, he certainly wouldn't be referring to the latter as an "old plodder" ;)

I suspect that description applies to him rather more than the Denon! :lol:


as i have so little experience of the 103 ' i can only say i am curious about the damn thing , it certainly had a sound and presentation which reminded me of the IO ' that lucid seductive mid band ' which draws you into the music.


I agree, although the IO is rather more finessed, but it's the Alnico magnet factor which is giving that effect! Everything I hear from speakers to cartridges that uses Alnicos has that certain magic about it....


I think i want to hear it again ' and the shelter 501 as Dave makes a good case for it as a good match for his SP10/SMEV .


The 501 is superb, but quite a different beast again from the 103SA. There are some similarities, as I mentioned earlier, but it doesn't have the 'Alnico magnet magic thing' going on :)

Marco.

Ammonite Acoustics
18-03-2010, 07:38
Hi Chris,

Lol - that's because he doesn't know any better! If he'd heard the comparison between his beloved Ortofon 2M Black (an example of which Shuggie brought round to mine recently) and my 103SA, he certainly wouldn't be referring to the latter as an "old plodder" ;)

I suspect that description applies to him rather more than the Denon! :lol:

I have to agree. I'd not heard any flavour of DL103 before visiting Marco, but his 103SA was rather stunning - far from the plodding old nail that I expected. Scalford Hall simply confirmed the experience. I can very much see me getting a 103SA soon, assuming that any are still to be had for sensible money.

Dave Cawley
18-03-2010, 08:02
The 501 is superb, but quite a different beast again from the 103SA.

Quite different, and for a good reason. They both have their place. Like Marco I have the choice of using any cartridge I like, and I choose the Shelter and Marco chooses the Denon.

I'm none the wiser why any phono stage would baulk at a mere 2dB difference (as Barry agreed)

Regards

Dave

Marco
18-03-2010, 08:21
Shuggs,

I actually really liked your 2M Black, which was much better than I expected for a modern cartridge. It was smooth and 'velvety' in its presentation, but also very detailed and musically communicative, which is the sort of thing I like, rather than the bright, sterile, toppy-sounding creations foisted upon us nowadays, passed as being 'accurate' :rolleyes:

However, it just lacked that magic and rather beguiling emotive element and 'analogue loveliness' which the 103SA (set-up and partnered properly) ekes out of the grooves with seemingly the minimal of effort...

If you like it, you should really snap one up A.S.A.P before they all sell out :)

Dave,


Quite different, and for a good reason. They both have their place. Like Marco I have the choice of using any cartridge I like, and I choose the Shelter and Marco chooses the Denon.


Indeed. However, after hearing Barry's (conical version) EMT XSD-15 recently with the Jelco on my T/T, which wasn't even set-up properly, I know what my future cartridge will be. However, to get the geometry right (as the cartridge is fixed to the headshell in a set position, and therefore alignment adjustment is impossible), I suspect I'll also have to buy an EMT arm (and TSD-15 cartridge) to match, so doubt I'll get much change from 2.5k for them both! :(

Anyway in due course, along with Martin's Dynavector, that'll be your next tonearm challenge to fit onto an SL-1210 ;)

Marco.

Dave Cawley
18-03-2010, 10:19
We can make an arm plate to get the EMT cartridge in the right place on the Jelco. We have just completed the drawings for Martin's Dynavector.

Regards

Dave

REM
18-03-2010, 11:01
I'm none the wiser why any phono stage would baulk at a mere 2dB difference (as Barry agreed)

Regards

Dave

Hi Dave,

Now I see what you meant about the 2db bit, thanks for the enlightenment! The phono stage doesn't baulk at the 2db difference at all, it is designed for carts down to 0.3mv so the 103 just suits it, at the low end of its usable range, but I'm thinking it might be better to try something with a slightly 'beefier' output.

Cheers

Marco
18-03-2010, 11:08
We can make an arm plate to get the EMT cartridge in the right place on the Jelco.

Aha.... I wasn't sure that was possible. Nice one, Dave - now that makes things a whole lot easier!! :)

Marco.

Dave Cawley
18-03-2010, 11:13
Hi Ralph: Honestely, it does dot matter!

Hi Marco: You are welcome!

Dave

Marco
18-03-2010, 11:16
Cheers, Dave! I'll discuss the details with you nearer the time... What sort of info would you need to do the job? :)

Regarding Ralph's query, perhaps he considers that he might have a gain issue?

Marco.

Dave Cawley
18-03-2010, 11:57
He might, but it isn't

Dave

Marco
18-03-2010, 12:51
Cool. What sort of info, Dave, would you need to make an armplate up for the EMT?

Just so I know what to supply you with when the time comes :)

Marco.

Dave Cawley
18-03-2010, 14:12
The best way would to let me borrow it! If you are luckey I'll let you have it back with a new plate?

Regards

Dave

Marco
18-03-2010, 14:22
Haha... Ok, noted - that's a plan then! :)

Marco.

REM
18-03-2010, 15:11
Hi Ralph: Honestely, it does dot matter!


Dave

Rightey-o, duly noted, proposed purchase of new cartridge postponed;).

Cheers

Dave Cawley
18-03-2010, 15:36
I'm totally lost old chum!

Dave

MartinT
21-03-2010, 22:17
The best way would to let me borrow it!

Watch this one, Marco. He's already had my Dyna, now he wants your EMT. I know his game...

Marco
21-03-2010, 22:20
Aye, he's always had a shifty look about him! :eyebrows:

Marco.

Dave Cawley
21-03-2010, 22:34
EMT and Dyna, mmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!