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A friend turned up today played him some tracks etc ,I have ditton 15xr`s he loved them but want`s a bit more bass but want a set thats about the same size as my speakers any ideas?
My old IAS speakers would've fitted the bill. Can't remember the model, they had bass in spades!
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walpurgis
23-03-2018, 21:48
Your friend is likely to be out of luck. Most speakers that size would struggle to better the bass of the Ditton 15XR.
Some seventies AR6's might go a touch lower, if you can find a pair with decent foam cone surrounds. Otherwise, the only others I can think of that go deep for their size are PMC's, but you'd be looking at a fair bit more money.
If he wants a cheap option for bass in quantity and doesn't mind something a fraction bigger, maybe Goodmans Magnums, Wharfedale Dovedale III, KEF Cadenza or Concerto.
One thing you haven’t mentioned is how much he’s prepared to pay, that’s the governing factor as to what he’s able to get, also why go for old speakers when there are plenty of modern designs that perform extremely well for not a lot of money, not only that lots of modern bookshelf speakers are more than capable at the bass end, send him to the nearest Richer Sounds and get him to audition a selection in his price bracket, he’ll no doubt find something to his liking.
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Michael loves music
24-03-2018, 06:40
My tannoy Mercury V1 have plenty of bass
Pigmy Pony
24-03-2018, 10:24
My parents had 15XR's with their Rotel separates, and I always thought they sounded really good.
If you are otherwise happy with the sound and size of them, how about trying a sub with them? Some can be found for reasonable money if you go s/hand.
Michael loves music
25-03-2018, 07:47
The 15 XRs going for good money on eBay !! How much were they new anyone know ?
paulf-2007
25-03-2018, 07:52
The 15 XRs going for good money on eBay !! How much were they new anyone know ?
I have them in the lounge, my main set up is in a dedicated room down the garden. Paid £30 from a member here and on lenco. I've seen them for less on eBay. A sub may help for a subtle underpinning.
Out of intrest if he got a set of Ditton`s would it be worth trying a sound deading sheet inside the cabinet behind the bass unit and abr and would a change of capacitor to a different value also help?
KEF104AB? They do have lots of bass. Not my thing personally, but seem to fit the bill.
57charles
25-03-2018, 12:05
RAM 150 which includes an 8" ABR or for even more bass, the RAM 200 with a 10" ABR. Both are larger than the 15xr but both are vastly superior in every department. Another contender would be Goodmans Achromat Sigma although difficult to find now. They also sport a 10" ABR and have loads of bass although the cabinet finish may not be to everyone's tastes...Finally, B & W DM 14/1400 which are quite compact considering they use 2 x 8" units and provide more accurate bass than all of the aforementioned.
navigator
25-03-2018, 13:09
Your nice spks would make enough for most hifi folk (assuming properly fed). Cornering them will add weight but if more cone is needed it's a sub or bigger cabs .
... also why go for old speakers when there are plenty of modern designs that perform extremely well for not a lot of money
+1
Completely agree - Q Acoustics range spring to mind but there are more contenders for very little cash
(none requiring cone repairs or crossover rejuvenation :lol:
+1
Completely agree - Q Acoustics range spring to mind but there are more contenders for very little cash
(none requiring cone repairs or crossover rejuvenation :lol:
Exactly my thoughts, QA2020i’s if RS have any left we’re only £79, I had a pair for several months and they impressed me so much I invested in the 3050 floor standers which are superb, the 3020s at £149 are excellent value too.
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Lawrence001
25-03-2018, 15:42
Can someone please explain how we got from wanting speakers with more bass than Celestion Ditton 15s to recommending Tannoy Mercury v1s and Q Acoustics 2020is??
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Can someone please explain how we got from wanting speakers with more bass than Celestion Ditton 15s to recommending Tannoy Mercury v1s and Q Acoustics 2020is??
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Most of the modern bookshelf speakers like the QA2020i’s are very capable in the bass area, and surely quality is more important than quantity.
If you want more that’s what tone controls are for.
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57charles
25-03-2018, 16:36
Most of the modern bookshelf speakers like the QA2020i’s are very capable in the bass area, and surely quality is more important than quantity.
If you want more that’s what tone controls are for.
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What are tone controls?
What are tone controls?
I don’t have any either but some do [emoji846]
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Lawrence001
25-03-2018, 17:23
Most of the modern bookshelf speakers like the QA2020i’s are very capable in the bass area, and surely quality is more important than quantity.
If you want more that’s what tone controls are for.
Sent from my iPad using TapatalkFrom my experience you can't match a pair of good sized woofers in a big box with a small modern bookshelf speaker however well designed it is. From the description of the OP I suspect his mate is after something that gives a sense of physical presence to the bass.
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From the description of the OP I suspect his mate is after something that gives a sense of physical presence to the bass.
QA2020i do just that, more than amply ... I use a pair on stands as my main speakers, replacing an aged B&W pair I had since the 80s.
Perhaps Q Acoustics use Voodoo :lol:
QA2020i do just that, more than amply ... I use a pair on stands as my main speakers, replacing an aged B&W pair I had since the 80s.
Perhaps Q Acoustics use Voodoo :lol:
Totally agree, modern designs do extremely well in the bass certainly down to 50hz or so with decent power, if lower than that is required then bigger floor standers are needed, my QA3050 don’t cut off until a little under 30hz in my living room, twin bass drivers per cabinet certainly give the slam when required, if the price (£549) is a bit high there’s their predecessor the 2050i currently selling at £279 direct from QA.
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walpurgis
25-03-2018, 18:01
Size for size and spec for spec, modern speakers don't do things any differently to older examples. It's the laws of physics.
Modern does not necessarily mean better, it just means newer! (and probably Chinese drivers).
Lawrence001
25-03-2018, 18:23
Size for size and spec for spec, modern speakers don't do things any differently to older examples. It's the laws of physics.
Modern does not necessarily mean better, it just means newer! (and probably Chinese drivers).Agreed, I do think things like long throw woofers, stronger magnets, better controlled cones with advanced materials and laser interferometry analysis means less break up and higher volume with lower distortion, but at the end of the day a large woofer in a big box cannot be matched.
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Size for size and spec for spec, modern speakers don't do things any differently to older examples. It's the laws of physics.
Modern does not necessarily mean better, it just means newer! (and probably Chinese drivers).
Cool - will remember to take a tape measure next time I audition speakers (and check their country of origin) :lol:
Objectivism Rules !!!
walpurgis
25-03-2018, 19:01
:scratch:
Michael loves music
25-03-2018, 22:07
Don’t let it worry you Lawrence
Out of intrest if he got a set of Ditton`s would it be worth trying a sound deading sheet inside the cabinet behind the bass unit and abr and would a change of capacitor to a different value also help?
what about my idea ?
walpurgis
26-03-2018, 22:14
what about my idea ?
Why change the cap value? And extra sound deadening will probably adversely affect the already properly tuned speaker.
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2018, 19:14
I'm not quite sure what that means. Extending the frequency response downwards doesn't necessarily give the impression of "more bass". A non-audiophile hump in the upper bass region usually sounds like "more bass" to most people - well it is more - but it isn't accurate and isn't any more extended.
In reality the interaction with the room usually determines what you hear and how you perceive it, particularly at low frequencies. Changing the position of the speakers can have a big impact on what you hear.
Yes, I agree.
I agree.
As Andrew says.
Also, your listening position can make a big difference.
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