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I would say "inedible" is a bit harsh: unappetising, yes! The only reason I knew these were cheap is that I see a lot of local families buying these in bulk. There is a lot of poverty where I live, and I wonder whether there are many other sources of protein as cheap as this.
What they need is educating properly on how to cook for themselves, using simple fresh ingredients, and how to make their money go furthest, then even £1 for some glorified dog food, such as that produced in tins by 'Fray Bentos', would seem expensive.
The worst thing the government ever did (I suspect in the name of political correctness) was abolish home economics in schools!!
Marco.
I am surprised that more people do not make their own sausages. A table-top meat mincer is inexpensive but effective and you can buy a complete kit relatively cheaply. It is not difficult to buy natural or synthetic skins. This was you can choose whatever meat or other ingredients you want. The sausage platt takes a while to master, but it is easy enough to twist off and snip each sausage if that is easier.
Yes absolutely, however when you're already making lots of other things from scratch [and we cook at home constantly], sometimes its good to let a professional take over;)
Marco.
Wow, now that's surprising! :eek:
Me neither, as it's simply not the food culture I was brought up with. It's interesting, however, that you shun it now and seek other styles of food, rather than continue eating it, as is evidenced by other 'Brits' on the food threads here.
You ate what you were given as a child or you went hungry. Simple as that. My mother was from a poor background so pies and offal was perfectly normal food for her but my father grew up in America so he would not touch any of it, and would sort out his own food.
He introduced us to charcoal barbequed steak, burgers, KFC, popcorn with salt and melted butter, Chinese food, proper coffee, and so forth, back when those things were still a novelty in the UK.
Shepherd's pie or hot pot was not really much cop by comparison.
walpurgis
21-03-2018, 14:22
In the case of the standard sausages, I was the human meat reclaimer
Geoff
Is that even legal? I thought cannibalism was banned?
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 14:25
What they need is educating properly on how to cook for themselves, using simple fresh ingredients, and how to make their money go furthest, then even £1 for some glorified dog food, such as that produced in tins by 'Fray Bentos', would seem expensive.
The worst thing the government ever did (I suspect in the name of political correctness) was abolish home economics in schools!!
Marco.
I live in a small (ex) mining village in Nottinghamshire and most of the families I was referring to are elderly mining families. It is not a rich area. Many of these families grow their own vegetables and have allotments. The problem is not that they make poor nutrition choices, but that it is difficult to buy protein cheaply locally. There are plenty of farm shops around but these are expensive and inaccessible without a car. Public transport is appalling and is getting worse. It requires a change of buses to get into town, and there are only a handful of buses a day and the last connection from town to my village is 4pm!
A tin of tuna in the local convenience store is about £1.30. For a quid, a FB pie can be heated quickly and offers a substantial protein rich meal portion for two people. The point I am making is that many families buy these things not because they are good, but because they are cheap and convenient. I know several families who make a monthly group expedition into town on the bus and come back by taxi loaded with tinned stuff and non-perishables.
Geoff
You ate what you were given as a child or you went hungry. Simple as that. My mother was from a poor background so pies and offal was perfectly normal food for her but my father grew up in America so he would not touch any of it, and would sort out his own food.
I totally agree with the bit in bold. More kids today should be so disciplined, rather than parents pandering to their every (often ridiculously faddy) whims! Like I said, there's nothing wrong with pies, done well. Did you mum make good pies, then? :)
I'm really not into offal, other than the odd few kidneys, in a steak and kidney pie, and that's simply because they enrich the overall flavour, along with the gravy produced. Once done, I could happily pick the kidneys out. I can also eat a small amount of liver, if made with a nice sauce. The french do a good recipe using cream and brandy!
He introduced us to charcoal barbequed steak, burgers, KFC, popcorn with salt and melted butter, Chinese food, proper coffee, and so forth, back when those things were still a novelty in the UK.
Interesting... However, burgers have been around in most cities since the 70s (or before), in the form of Wimpy bars. There must've been branches in Liverpool, and IME the good ones were ok, certainly as good as anything produced now by the likes of McDonalds.
Also, in terms of Chinese food, Liverpool has the oldest Chinatown in Britain, and so proper Chinese food would've been available there even before you were born! Therefore, half-decent burgers and proper Chinese food should've been no stranger to any Liverpudlian of your age.
As for charcoal-barbecued steak, were there no Berni Inns in Liverpool? For Berni Inns, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berni_Inn
They specialised in such steaks, and were very much American influenced!
Shepherd's pie or hot pot was not really much cop by comparison.
It is, in its own right, when done well. Depends on your taste preferences, though.
Marco.
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 19:14
Is that even legal? I thought cannibalism was banned?
Don't enquire on the contents of a sausage: you couldn't stomach the answer! :eek:
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 19:19
burgers have been around in most cities since the 70s (or before), in the form of Wimpy bars
Yes it was all very exotic. The bizarre red tomato ketchup dispensers and their brown equivalents (don't ask!). Burgers that looked and tasted like beer mats, and a sausage with cuts on one side marketed as: "The Bender".
Happy days: I think not!
Geoff
Well, the one I used to use in Union St in Glasgow was ok. In what way are the burger offerings today, from the likes of BK or McDonalds, any better?
Marco.
I live in a small (ex) mining village in Nottinghamshire and most of the families I was referring to are elderly mining families. It is not a rich area. Many of these families grow their own vegetables and have allotments. The problem is not that they make poor nutrition choices, but that it is difficult to buy protein cheaply locally.
Fair enough. However, there are still supermarkets, and if you know how to cook, you can pick up some great bargains at the meat counter, when stuff is getting near its sell by date and being significantly reduced in price. Plus, you don't have to buy the expensive cuts. Inexpensive cuts of meat, especially when slow-cooked in a casserole, can be incredibly tasty and made to go far.
Therefore, as I said, it's much more about education, and knowing how to cook, than anything else. Once you have that knowledge, you can judiciously apply it to save you lots of money, and you'll have little need for buying ready meals and other processed food.
Plus, elderly people have plenty of time on their hands to do some cooking, so there's really no excuse! Not only that, you don't need to eat meat every day.
As a rule, we all eat far too much. You can make huge pots of nourishing soup for next to nothing, using inexpensive vegetables, fresh herbs (which you can grow in your garden or allotment) and stock, and big bowls of pasta or rice for not much money either, so where there's a will, there's always a way:)
The point I am making is that many families buy these things not because they are good, but because they are cheap and convenient. I know several families who make a monthly group expedition into town on the bus and come back by taxi loaded with tinned stuff and non-perishables.
Sure, but cooking home-made food can be just as cheap, or sometimes cheaper, and when you know how to do it properly, it's ALWAYS better, and healthier!
The "group expedition" you mention would be better served going to a supermarket to pick up all the reduced bargains on meat and veg (and other things, too), and then using what's bought to cook proper food at home. You could even do a group buy, and split the cost, then help each other cook it all together.
I've seen that done before, with great success, in small close-knit communities. The main point I'm making here is that there's always a better way of doing something (in this case feeding yourself well), which fits into your budget and lifestyle, if you put your mind to it! :cool:
Marco.
mr sneff
21-03-2018, 19:49
Lol... Never tried them. I rarely entertain consuming processed foods. Where at all possible, I like to *know* exactly what it is I'm eating and where it's come from!
In that respect, I'm as fussy about things like sausages, as I am with pies....
Marco.
Many years ago when I worked in an NHS Pathology laboratory we were approached by trading standards to assess the meat content of beefburgers. This was in the days before BSE. When we cut and stained sections of the beef burgers and examined them under the microscope it was incredible what they contained, bits of bowel, brain, etc., enough to put you off of beefburgers for life.Sausages were probably the same.
Lol - doesn't surprise me one bit, David, which is why I wouldn't go near any of that muck! We should all learn to be a little more discerning in our food choices:)
Marco.
walpurgis
21-03-2018, 19:58
Catering quality bangers 'n burgers are what you want :D.
Why is it that the cheapo sausages in a transport cafe always taste better than anywhere else?
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 20:06
Well, the one I used to use in Union St in Glasgow was ok. In what way are the burger offerings today, from the likes of BK or McDonalds, any better?
Marco.
They are not. All tasteless and processed. There are a lot of places in the USA that still do a decent burger but I am always put off by their growth modified products and chemical additives. If I have no other choice than a chain burger outlet, I would go for a Wendy Burger there, but would much prefer to go to a proper restaurant that make their own patties.
Geoff
I totally agree with the bit in bold. More kids today should be so disciplined, rather than parents pandering to their every (often ridiculously faddy) whims! Like I said, there's nothing wrong with pies, done well. Did you mum make good pies, then? :)
I'm really not into offal, other than the odd few kidneys, in a steak and kidney pie, and that's simply because they enrich the overall flavour, along with the gravy produced. Once done, I could happily pick the kidneys out. I can also eat a small amount of liver, if made with a nice sauce. The french do a good recipe using cream and brandy!
Interesting... However, burgers have been around in most cities since the 70s (or before), in the form of Wimpy bars. There must've been branches in Liverpool, and IME the good ones were ok, certainly as good as anything produced now by the likes of McDonalds.
Also, in terms of Chinese food, Liverpool has the oldest Chinatown in Britain, and so proper Chinese food would've been available there even before you were born! Therefore, half-decent burgers and proper Chinese food should've been no stranger to any Liverpudlian of your age.
As for charcoal-barbecued steak, were there no Berni Inns in Liverpool? For Berni Inns, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berni_Inn
They specialised in such steaks, and were very much American influenced!
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All those places existed then but they were nothing like as ubiquitous as they are now. There was one KFC in the whole of Liverpool, it wasn't located in the city centre, and it cost almost as much then as it does now, it was a real luxury.
And yes Chinatown has been there years, but you're mad if you think everyone in Liverpool went there. A lot of them could not afford it and even more of them would just not eat foreign food at all. There were only 3 Berni Inns in the whole city and I think 2 Wimpey Bars. And getting popcorn was not always straightforward either.
Not just a cost thing (although we only went to the Wimpey on my or my brother's birthdays, so twice a year). KFC maybe twice a year. Plenty of my schoolmates had never had KFC or Chinese food, not because they were poor but because their parents wouldn't even consider trying it.
I miss the old Wimpey bars with the waitress with a doily on and the tomato-shaped ketchup thing. Maybe we'll get them back after Brexit.
Catering quality bangers 'n burgers are what you want :D.
Why is it that the cheapo sausages in a transport cafe always taste better than anywhere else?
Most likely because they're properly geared up for what they do, and do it well (if you like that sort of thing), and when going to these place you won't have high expectations of eating anything of genuine quality. That's not what a greasy spoon is about is it?:D
Marco.
All those places existed then but they were nothing like as ubiquitous as they are now. There was one KFC in the whole of Liverpool, it wasn't located in the city centre, and it cost almost as much then as it does now, it was a real luxury.
And yes Chinatown has been there years, but you're mad if you think everyone in Liverpool went there. A lot of them could not afford it and even more of them would just not eat foreign food at all. There were only 3 Berni Inns in the whole city and I think 2 Wimpey Bars. And getting popcorn was not always straightforward either.
Not just a cost thing (although we only went to the Wimpey on my or my brother's birthdays, so twice a year). KFC maybe twice a year. Plenty of my schoolmates had never had KFC or Chinese food, not because they were poor but because their parents wouldn't even consider trying it.
I miss the old Wimpey bars with the waitress with a doily on and the tomato-shaped ketchup thing. Maybe we'll get them back after Brexit.
Absolutely, but the main point I'm making is that much of the stuff you mentioned was already there before your dad introduced you to it!;)
As for the Chinatown thing, the best joints to eat in are (and always were) the cheapest and most basic! I'm talking about glorified cafes with wooden benches and no tablecloths, but full of Chinese folk eating amazing food, very cheaply, not posh westernised restaurants.
Those places existed back then, as they do now, and they were affordable. It the Scousers back then were so insular as not to want to eat 'foreign muck', or too lazy to travel out with of the town centre to find such places, then that was their look out!:eyebrows:
I too miss the old Wimpy bars, with the tomato-shaped sauce bottles, but I suspect that's more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
Marco.
P.S You still haven't told me if you eat anything else but steak and chips:ner:
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 20:36
Fair enough. However, there are still supermarkets, and if you know how to cook, you can pick up some great bargains at the meat counter, when stuff is getting near its sell by date and being significantly reduced in price. Plus, you don't have to buy the expensive cuts. Inexpensive cuts of meat, especially when slow-cooked in a casserole, can be incredibly tasty and can be made to go far.
Therefore, as I said, it's much more about education, and knowing how to cook, than anything else. Once you have that knowledge, you can judiciously apply it to save you lots of money, and you'll have little need for buying ready meals and other processed food.
Plus, elderly people have plenty of time on their hands to do some cooking, so there's really no excuse!
Not only that, you don't need to eat meat every day. As a rule, we all eat far too much. You can make huge pots of nourishing soup for next to nothing, using inexpensive vegetables, fresh herbs (which you can grow in your garden or allotment) and stock, and big bowls of pasta or rice for not much money either, so where there's a will, there's always a way:)
Sure, but cooking home-made food can be just as cheap, or sometimes cheaper, and when you know how to do it properly, it's ALWAYS better, and healthier!
The "group expedition" you mention would be better served going to a supermarket to pick up all the reduced bargains on meat and veg (and other things, too), and then using what's bought to cook proper food at home. You could even do a group buy, and split the cost, then help each other cook it all together.
I've seen that done before, with great success, in small close-knit communities. The main point I'm making here is that there's always a better way of doing something (in this case feeding yourself well), which fits into your budget and lifestyle, if you put your mind to it! :cool:
Marco.
It really is not that easy. Ours is a rural village and the nearest supermarket is a twenty minute car journey on an out of town site. Fine if you have a car, but it takes multiple changes of bus to get to the supermarket and given that the sole bus runs at two hour intervals, a shopping trip can take many hours. I have a spinal injury and find it very difficult if I have to make the journey by bus and carry back more than a few items. I know Wrexham well, as in my early career I was a consultant to the Robert Jones and Agnes Hunt Orthopaedic Hospital in Oswestry and used to stay in Wrexham when working there. It is much more rural here and hard to get to the supermarkets.
As to knowledge of cooking, I would be taking my life in my hands if i suggested to my elderly neighbours how to shop for food or how to cook it. This is still a mining community even though the mines are all closed. Many of the residents are third, fourth or greater generation miners who know how to survive on a tight budget: they have done it all their lives. Many people locally are reliant on food banks and pay day loans.
I agree with you about the excessive quantity of meat people eat. I did not eat meat for nearly 20 years and eat very little nowadays. I am also increasingly wary of chicken due to the contamination of meat and the extensive use of drugs to control infection. There is a family butcher shop in the village, that offer excellent locally farmed meat but they are not cheap. The truth is that you do need some protein and that is not cheap where accessibility is an issue.
Geoff
Absolutely, but the main point I'm making is that much of the stuff you mentioned was already there before your dad introduced you to it!;)
Marco.
Yes, my dad introduced me to those things at a time when most children's dads did not. I never said he invented them. If they were not there already he would have a bloody hard time introducing me to them!
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 20:38
Catering quality bangers 'n burgers are what you want :D.
Why is it that the cheapo sausages in a transport cafe always taste better than anywhere else?
Fat is tasty: that's partly why the mass producers of sausages use so much of it. Greasy spoons buy very fatty sausages!
Geoff
You kill the fat, you kill the burger.
Unless you load it with salt and all sorts of flavour enhancing chemicals.
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 20:45
Many years ago when I worked in an NHS Pathology laboratory we were approached by trading standards to assess the meat content of beefburgers. This was in the days before BSE. When we cut and stained sections of the beef burgers and examined them under the microscope it was incredible what they contained, bits of bowel, brain, etc., enough to put you off of beefburgers for life.Sausages were probably the same.
Anyone remember brawn or faggots. These do not stand up to close scrutiny but my mother loved them and I have vague recollections of eating them as a kid. She also loved tripe and green tripe which I could never stomach! BOOM BOOM!
We used to have brains and faggots for school dinner sometimes.
Their parents never did find out what happened to them...
Yes, my dad introduced me to those things at a time when most children's dads did not. I never said he invented them. If they were not there already he would have a bloody hard time introducing me to them!
Lol - indeed. However, the key point lies within the bit in bold, in that your dad didn't *need* to introduce you to them, because most already existed in your home town, if you knew where to look!
The way you described it earlier, was that such things back then [e.g. Chinese food and chargrilled steaks] were virtually unknown to your average Scouser (including you, until suitably educated by your dad) - and it needn't have been that way if others and you had been a bit more adventurous and aware of what was happening around you!!;)
Marco.
I'd rather just hang on rather than use a public toilet.
I certainly wouldn't walk into one whilst eating.
Regrettably the toilet habits of some of the non-indigenous personnel we seem to have acquired leave a lot to be desired. I don't think they are keen on using a traditional western toilet. At least not in the traditional western manner.
I know someone who won't actually sit on the lavatory seat in a public loo, for fear of the last user not being clean. He prefers to 'squat' over it in the manner as one would when using a lavatory common in the near and far east.
It really is not that easy. Ours is a rural village and the nearest supermarket is a twenty minute car journey on an out of town site.
Sure, but you're missing the point. You mentioned earlier about a 'group trip' into town to buy cheap tinned food (Fray Bentos pies for £1, etc). Well, my point is that the same 'group trip' into town, or wherever, could be done, but instead to buy (hopefully discounted) fresh produce from somewhere else in the same town.
If you're going to make a journey to go somewhere, then make it worthwhile. You mentioned taxis before, so they could all chip in together to pay for a taxi to the local supermarket and back. Most firms do attractive rates for pensioners.
I have a spinal injury and find it very difficult if I have to make the journey by bus and carry back more than a few items.
Sorry to hear that, so for you that puts a different perspective on things. Have you considered on-line shopping? Supermarkets these days will deliver groceries to your door.
I know Wrexham well, as in my early career I was a consultant to the Robert Jones and Agnes Hunt Orthopaedic Hospital in Oswestry and used to stay in Wrexham when working there. It is much more rural here and hard to get to the supermarkets.
I totally get that, although Wrexham will have changed considerably since you stayed there, and mostly for the better.
As to knowledge of cooking, I would be taking my life in my hands if i suggested to my elderly neighbours how to shop for food or how to cook it. This is still a mining community even though the mines are all closed. Many of the residents are third, fourth or greater generation miners who know how to survive on a tight budget: they have done it all their lives. Many people locally are reliant on food banks and pay day loans.
Sure, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't learn or change their ways if they wanted to, especially as it would be to their benefit in the long run.
It's essentially all about making whatever money you've got go as far as it can, and being as clever as possible with it [home economics]. And I'm sorry, in that respect, I don't buy the notion that the only solution is eating tinned processed food. That's rather lazy thinking.
Being stuck in your ways is no excuse not to try and better your life!
I agree with you about the excessive quantity of meat people eat. I did not eat meat for nearly 20 years and eat very little nowadays. I am also increasingly wary of chicken due to the contamination of meat and the extensive use of drugs to control infection.
Yup, and it's not good for you, especially too much red meat. As for chicken, you're absolutely right, which is why I only buy genuine free-range chicken, which tends to be treated differently, preferably sourced from local farms. My wife is veggie, but she's quite happy to cook it for me:)
There is a family butcher shop in the village, that offer excellent locally farmed meat but they are not cheap.
Then the butcher concerned is not catering properly for the needs of the local community, which you said was largely poor, so one wonders how they've managed to stay in business? :hmm:
Marco.
Word f.... k
What's wrong with the word? Words themselves are largely impotent - it's how they are used and the context that is important.
Do you instead use the words 'sexual intercourse' or coitus'?
amati74(Artur)
21-03-2018, 22:24
What's wrong with the word? Words themselves are laregely impotent - it's how they are used and the context that is important.
Do you instead use the words 'sexual intercourse' or coitus'?People too often use this word as a comma in a sentence. If a foreigner listens to it, it sounds very vulgar.
Sherwood
21-03-2018, 23:22
Sure, but you're missing the point. You mentioned earlier about a 'group trip' into town to buy cheap tinned food (Fray Bentos pies for £1, etc). Well, my point is that the same 'group trip' into town, or wherever, could be done, but instead to buy (hopefully discounted) fresh produce from somewhere else in the same town.
If you're going to make a journey to go somewhere, then make it worthwhile. You mentioned taxis before, so they could all chip in together to pay for a taxi to the local supermarket and back. Most firms do attractive rates for pensioners.
Sorry to hear that, so for you that puts a different perspective on things. Have you considered on-line shopping? Supermarkets these days will deliver groceries to your door.
I totally get that, although Wrexham will have changed considerably since you stayed there, and mostly for the better.
Sure, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't learn or change their ways if they wanted to, especially as it would be to their benefit in the long run.
It's essentially all about making whatever money you've got go as far as it can, and being as clever as possible with it [home economics]. And I'm sorry, in that respect, I don't buy the notion that the only solution is eating tinned processed food. That's rather lazy thinking.
Being stuck in your ways is no excuse not to try and better your life!
Yup, and it's not good for you, especially too much red meat. As for chicken, you're absolutely right, which is why I only buy genuine free-range chicken, which tends to be treated differently, preferably sourced from local farms. My wife is veggie, but she's quite happy to cook it for me:)
Then the butcher concerned is not catering properly for the needs of the local community, which you said was largely poor, so one wonders how they've managed to stay in business? :hmm:
Marco.
My point was not about FB Pies per se, but that the options for getting cheap protein in rural areas are limited and you cannot really get better in protein terms than a £1 pie, even if it is unappetising. Fresh produce is not a problem here as there is a little greengrocer in the village, and many people or their neighbours grow their own fruit and veg. In fact, there are local farmers that will deliver a huge sack of Lincolnshire potatoes for just a few quid. Of course, when the elderly neighbours go into town they do a full shop, not just a pie raid.
The village is not entirely poor, as new housing has brought in younger more prosperous residents. The village butcher survives because of this and because there are more affluent communities nearby and it is possible for shoppers to park easily in the village high street (no parking fees and lots of spaces).
I think the butcher offers good produce at good prices, but it is expensive for local farms to have livestock slaughtered and good rearing practices are more costly. Difficult to compete with the supermarket prices because the products are not comparable. However, you do get people buying sheep heads and pig feet for stews because that is all they can afford
I was in Wrexham a couple of years back and it is hardly rural.
Geoff
My point was not about FB Pies per se, but that the options for getting cheap protein in rural areas are limited and you cannot really get better in protein terms than a £1 pie, even if it is unappetising.
Sorry, I'd have to strongly disagree. For £1, if you know how to cook, and buy well, or use your own home-grown produce, you can create something with far more nutritional value, and that's infinitely more appetising and healthier to eat than a Fray Bentos pie, full of all sorts of processed crap.
Fresh produce is not a problem here as there is a little greengrocer in the village, and many people or their neighbours grow their own fruit and veg. In fact, there are local farmers that will deliver a huge sack of Lincolnshire potatoes for just a few quid.
So why don't they avail of those facilities, and use that fresh produce, instead of relying on buying processed food? Sorry, I don't get it :scratch:
Of course, when the elderly neighbours go into town they do a full shop, not just a pie raid.
So, as part of that 'full shop' they could buy some fresh produce to cook with, and not just tins of processed food? Again, I don't get it....... :confused:
The village is not entirely poor, as new housing has brought in younger more prosperous residents. The village butcher survives because of this and because there are more affluent communities nearby and it is possible for shoppers to park easily in the village high street (no parking fees and lots of spaces).
Well that's not quite how you pitched things earlier, which was that it was largely an area populated by penniless pensioners!;)
I was in Wrexham a couple of years back and it is hardly rural.
I never said it was. That's not the argument, although ten minutes in a car from town takes you into the countryside, and into some very rural areas.
Marco.
Fat is tasty: that's partly why the mass producers of sausages use so much of it. Greasy spoons buy very fatty sausages!
In certain instances it can be, depending on how it's cooked, and which type of meat it comes from. With sausages, however, the attraction of fat is likelier to be how it increases moisture, and thus influences texture, hence a 'nice juicy banger'!
However, in reality a 'less juicy', drier (but not too dry) and firmer 'banger', with a higher-meat content [and less 'bulking out' ingredients], will be tastier - that is if you prefer the flavour of pure meat, as opposed to that of simply fat and grease!!:spew:;)
The same also applies to burgers. As ever, it's all about achieving the right balance between moistness, texture and flavour.
Marco.
I'm really sorry but I'm sitting here giggling like I'm the classroom again, you lot going on about enjoying a firm, meaty sausage.
That said I bought some sausages from a farm shop once, pork and leek. They looked amazingly good, firm and meaty.....snigger.... but when cooked they were absolutely revolting, never went there again. Where I used to live there was a family butcher who made his own and they were brilliant, so tasty and many varieties too.
If you find a good traditional butcher they are best for produce, wish there was one around here.
I don't find meat to be tasty, apart from lamb, and can't for the life of me understand the following steak has. Vegetables and fish are much tastier and have enormous variety. I have had tasty sausages from our local butcher but after a few bites realised their salt content was several orders of magnitude higher than recommended - straight in the bin with the rest of 'em.
What I find annoying are business jargon phrases:
"I'll circle back to you."
"He reached out to me."
"Not in my wheelhouse."
"I don't have the bandwidth for that."
Ninanina
22-03-2018, 22:19
Thinking 'outside of the box' really grates with me..
bullet points and action plans.
Dashboards, desk rides and top-down implementations.
You can guarantee that the more of this bullshit you find in a business, the worse it is run.
Thinking 'outside of the box' really grates with me..
What about 'lateral thinking', which is essentially the same thing? :)
Marco.
walpurgis
23-03-2018, 08:58
I'm sure that 'in the cool clear light of day' we can see jargon for what it is. :D
It's the utterly risible, pretentious fannies, who think that they sound 'smart' uttering that tosh, who need a damn good slap [preferably with the fat end of a 50lb sledge hammer].
Marco.
walpurgis
23-03-2018, 09:12
Management presentations (boring meetings) in a local authority office are the place to hear that kind of crap. Getting cues from their 'clever' notes and spewing garbage. I've heard loads of it.
Yup, and I've been in sales meetings too, and heard that sort of pish, spouted by folk who think it sounds 'impressive', and makes them come across as if they know what they're talking about, when everyone else is just thinking....:wanker::wanker:
Marco.
Try working for an American company, you 'aint seen nothing by comparison.
Was taking about this with one of my brothers who is quite high up the food chain at a bank. He's firmly of the opinion that if you are taller than average and can stand in front of a room full of people and talk for half an hour without actually saying anything of any interest or relevance, you can go all the way to the top.
Yes I've seen that happen many times. But you must possess a rather 'effusive' and charismatic personality, in order to be convincing enough!
It's amazing what folk will 'buy into', when whatever it is, is being sold to them by someone who's extremely confident in their ability to 'control' an audience;)
Marco.
Haselsh1
23-03-2018, 10:33
"Going forward", what utter corporate bollocks. I worked for three corporate giants for twenty seven years so is there any wonder I am so sodding cynical..? Twenty seven years of being kept in my place to satisfy the shareholders. Anyway, going forward ;)
"non-linear" thinking, gotta be crazy to fall for that.
Here's a contentious one - it makes me cringe when I hear people say 'I got the GIG' or similar. Only old jazzers whose careers ended before 1960 should use this terminology; by law.
Here's a contentious one - it makes me cringe when I hear people say 'I got the GIG' or similar. Only old jazzers whose careers ended before 1960 should use this terminology; by law.
Is that the same as "the gig economy", wherein people work without a formal contract ("zero hours contract")?
'Zero hours contracts'; that phrase in itself pisses me off. If it is really zero hours then you're not working at all so no need for a contract. 'Casual' is what it used to be called, not sure why they had to invent another name for it except that it means dickheads can get all excited about it like it is a new thing.
Pigmy Pony
23-03-2018, 18:48
Anyone ever see that old Brando film "On The Waterfront"?
Not many people know that it was originally called "Zero Hours Contracts On The Waterfront Gig Economy". The people who put the plastic letters on the cinemas' signage went on strike, and the film company were forced to shorten it.
Pigmy Pony
23-03-2018, 19:18
"Going forward", what utter corporate bollocks. I worked for three corporate giants for twenty seven years so is there any wonder I am so sodding cynical..? Twenty seven years of being kept in my place to satisfy the shareholders. Anyway, going forward ;)
Twenty seven years of suffering these f**kwits? Ouch!
You might find that setting theirs heads on fire, then putting it out with a cricket bat will help with the blue sky thinking.
mightymonoped
23-03-2018, 19:33
Twenty seven years of suffering these f**kwits? Ouch!
You might find that setting theirs heads on fire, then putting it out with a cricket bat will help with the blue sky thinking.
Definitely thinking outside the box there!
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Twenty seven years of suffering these f**kwits? Ouch!
You might find that setting theirs heads on fire, then putting it out with a cricket bat will help with the blue sky thinking.
You'd have to go for a sit down with HR Woman if you did that. Years of corporate enslavement has taught me that is absolutely the worst thing they can do to you. No-one cares about getting sacked but no-one wants to go for the sit down with HR Woman. It's the only thing that keeps everyone in line.
walpurgis
23-03-2018, 22:50
No-one cares about getting sacked but no-one wants to go for the sit down with HR Woman
The last one I spoke to was very nice (quite tasty too). I'd announced that I was leaving and HR and management were trying their best to dissuade me.
Didn't make any difference, I still left. They shouldn't have announced an attractive early retirement option and allowed anybody to put in for it! :)
The last one I spoke to was very nice (quite tasty too). I'd announced that I was leaving and HR and management were trying their best to dissuade me.
Didn't make any difference, I still left. They shouldn't have announced an attractive early retirement option and allowed anybody to put in for it! :)
No those are fine. It's when you go for the 'You did something wrong' meeting. It's surreal, disturbing and desperately tedious all at the same time.
walpurgis
23-03-2018, 23:01
Never went to one of those. I was the white collar union rep and management gave me a wide berth. They didn't like my habit of registering official grievances at the drop of a hat.
Never went to one of those. I was the white collar union rep and management gave me a wide berth. They didn't like my habit of registering official grievances at the drop of a hat.
That's the right tactic and one I use now. I wasn't so smart when I was younger. I was working for one firm where the general manager was clinically insane. I won't put up with any shit so I was 'in the office' a lot.
Eventually the company saw it my way and the general manager was sacked on the spot and escorted off the premises but it went on for about 18 months before that happened.
Pigmy Pony
24-03-2018, 07:32
You'd have to go for a sit down with HR Woman if you did that. Years of corporate enslavement has taught me that is absolutely the worst thing they can do to you. No-one cares about getting sacked but no-one wants to go for the sit down with HR Woman. It's the only thing that keeps everyone in line.
So "HR" is a real job then? I thought it was just one of those obscure job titles that "Crystal Maze" contestants usually had (apologies to any "marketing consultants" and "senior buyers" that might be reading).
So "HR" is a real job then? I thought it was just one of those obscure job titles that "Crystal Maze" contestants usually had (apologies to any "marketing consultants" and "senior buyers" that might be reading).
I never said it was a real job.
First firm I worked for was back when it was still called 'Personnel' and it was just one lady who came in part-time.
Nowadays there are dozens of people in 'HR' departments. No idea what they all do but don't bother to call them after 1500 hrs as they will all have gone home by then.
Pigmy Pony
24-03-2018, 08:17
Hmm, don't think I would want to be hugely unpopular for a living, but a 3pm early dart certainly appeals.
In the 80's and 90's, when I worked in the art studio for a large printing company, I used to look out of the window and see builders, landscape gardeners, painters working outside in the sunshine, and I'd think "lucky bastards, here's me stuck indoors".
These days, when I'm on a scaffold with the rain coming at me sideways, I look in through the window at people sat at desks with shirt sleeves rolled up, and think "lucky bastards".
But I suppose you take the rough with the smooth, no one loves their work all the time. Even porn actors will have times when they're a bit "down" ;)
e. Even porn actors will have times when they're a bit "down" ;)
Nothing a dose of Viagra won't cure :)
I worked for years in cold and frozen storage warehouses. Used to see the office staff go past and think 'Jammy bastards'. You can't beat dossing around sat at a desk, whatever job you're supposed to be doing.
walpurgis
24-03-2018, 08:51
You can't beat dossing around sat at a desk, whatever job you're supposed to be doing.
I used to hate that. Fortunately, I'd only have to do an hour or so before going round whatever outside sites were operating. Much more to my liking.
Pigmy Pony
24-03-2018, 09:18
I used to hate that. Fortunately, I'd only have to do an hour or so before going round whatever outside sites were operating. Much more to my liking.
"Quick, look busy, Geoff's here!" I bet you used to hear that a lot
I never said it was a real job.
First firm I worked for was back when it was still called 'Personnel' and it was just one lady who came in part-time.
Nowadays there are dozens of people in 'HR' departments. No idea what they all do but don't bother to call them after 1500 hrs as they will all have gone home by then.
My first 'proper' job was in what was called 'Establishments', an even older name for what became 'Personnel', then 'Human Resources'. The latter term always reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where the boss is saying 'Our people are our most important resource. After the photocopiers, that is; they're really important'.
One place I worked the HR manager was off for 6 months with 'stress'.
The mind boggles, it really does.
Pigmy Pony
24-03-2018, 10:01
A friend of mine's wife used to work for a big insurance company, with a job title that didn't make any sense. One time, when we were arranging to go on a motorcycle rally, she said she had no holiday days left, but she could throw a sicky for a couple of days, as she hadn't done this for a few months :eek:
And she would get full pay for this!
Pigmy Pony
24-03-2018, 10:16
A couple of weeks after my 60th birthday, I received an NHS "shit kit", which checks for bowel cancer. Apparently everyone over 60 will gat one of these.
8 Weeks on, I've still not got round to it.
And what about the poor buggers at the other end, who have to deal with it? I can just see them going on "The Chase": "And what do you do for a living?" "I er, work in Human Resources".
The more I think about it, the more I love my own job
A couple of weeks after my 60th birthday, I received an NHS "shit kit", which checks for bowel cancer. Apparently everyone over 60 will gat one of these.
8 Weeks on, I've still not got round to it.
And what about the poor buggers at the other end, who have to deal with it? I can just see them going on "The Chase": "And what do you do for a living?" "I er, work in Human Resources".
The more I think about it, the more I love my own job
How long have you been constipated?
Mike Brewer again. Can't forgive him this one: Arseting for Asking!
A couple of weeks after my 60th birthday, I received an NHS "shit kit", which checks for bowel cancer. Apparently everyone over 60 will gat one of these.
8 Weeks on, I've still not got round to it.
And what about the poor buggers at the other end, who have to deal with it? I can just see them going on "The Chase": "And what do you do for a living?" "I er, work in Human Resources".
The more I think about it, the more I love my own job
I belong to a forum where the senior memebr used to joke about posting his 's***' to Nottingham.
I am now in the same boat as you , where the envelope with all the essential stuff you need to send some of yours off, has been unused !!
Oh well , must get to it one day!!
Having been farming for 45 yrs , what I wouldn't give for a sit down job (and not one bouncing up and down on a bloody tractor seat !!!) because my feet are about fecked lol
I can never understand why people are so squeemish about performing a faecal smear test. Obviously you are not obliged to do it, but it is, IMO, much better to keep an eye on things whilst something can be done about it, rather than leave it until it is too late.
I belong to a forum where the senior memebr used to joke about posting his 's***' to Nottingham.
I am now in the same boat as you , where the envelope with all the essential stuff you need to send some of yours off, has been unused !!
Oh well , must get to it one day!!
Having been farming for 45 yrs , what I wouldn't give for a sit down job (and not one bouncing up and down on a bloody tractor seat !!!) because my feet are about fecked lol
tractor keeps your bowels right... all that bouncing
Minstrel SE
26-03-2018, 19:31
I dont know about that but I suppose we should all be in for a prostate test. Im afraid that Im a very much a dont touch me and I dont want to know any bad news type person.
I must work on how to get over that
Anyway dont mention HR departments to me. They have completely changed so they dont even care about staff anymore. There used to be some pretence they cared....now they cant wait to sack people because they enjoy it.
I dont know about that but I suppose we should all be in for a prostate test. Im afraid that Im a very much a dont touch me and I dont want to know any bad news type person.
I must work on how to get over that
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That's me too. Except for the getting over it bit.
I dont know about that but I suppose we should all be in for a prostate test. Im afraid that Im a very much a dont touch me and I dont want to know any bad news type person.
Wuss!:ner: ;)
Far better knowing exactly what's going on in your body, so you can address any problems necessary before it's too late, than blindly burying your head in the sand! This is one area where women have every right to laugh at squeamish men, as they're so used to being intimately examined for all sorts on a regular basis!
Man up, muchachos, and get yourselves checked over if necessary!! :exactly:
Marco.
depends on the tests ;) but yes in general men are getting better, and thus are closing the gap age wise at death averages.
After saying that, especially once you get to a certain age, its sometimes better not to know too much.
I dont know about that but I suppose we should all be in for a prostate test. Im afraid that Im a very much a dont touch me and I dont want to know any bad news type person.
I must work on how to get over that
Anyway dont mention HR departments to me. They have completely changed so they dont even care about staff anymore. There used to be some pretence they cared....now they cant wait to sack people because they enjoy it.
My doctor asked me about 8 months ago if I wanted a prostate examination but I declined . I wear rubber gloves most days on the farm , so didnt want to face it :rolleyes:
After saying that, especially once you get to a certain age, its sometimes better not to know too much.
Why - if you can still do something about it, which results in improving the quality of the life you still have left? :)
What you're advocating is akin to deliberately using speakers that effectively just 'edit' recordings, to make them sound 'nice', rather than tell you what's actually there...;)
I'm afraid when it comes to either medical issues or hi-fi, I always seek the truth!
Marco.
Firebottle
27-03-2018, 05:48
I dont know about that but I suppose we should all be in for a prostate test.
Get tested. You might even be lucky and have a young attractive (female) trainee do the digit test, as I did.
I could tell the difference after the consultants finger :D
All joking apart it really is better to know with the prostate. A simple blood test will show raised levels of PSA then things can be followed on from that.
I have early stage prostate cancer but of the very slow growing kind and recently learnt that my 87 year old uncle has had it for 30 years without treatment.
You could be unlucky and get the aggressive form but you could also die with it rather than from it, as I suspect will be the case with my uncle, and me hopefully.
You might even be lucky and have a young attractive (female) trainee do the digit test, as I did.
I could tell the difference after the consultants finger :D
I could comment on that, but I won't!:eyebrows:
Marco.
walpurgis
27-03-2018, 08:46
Prostate trouble is no fun, I can tell you. I've lived with recurring prostatitis for over forty years, I was unusually young when it first manifested itself. It made me feel very low at times and it can be seriously life impacting. Fortunately, for the last twenty or more years it's been less severe and only flares up occasionally. Also fortunately, my PSA test results (of which I've had many) have been 'normal'.
Oh. And be careful when having the prostate finger check. If he has both hands on your shoulders when doing it, there's something funny going on! :eek:
What about if all that 'agitation' down there makes you pop one off [a wee farty]?:D
Marco.
What about if all that 'agitation' down there makes you pop one off [a wee farty]?:D
Marco.
As long as its not a [runny farty]
Apologies -dairy farmers have a lot of shyte bases happenings of the animal variety!!:)
not pleasant but no as bad as you think
Minstrel SE
27-03-2018, 13:29
Prostate trouble is no fun, I can tell you. I've lived with recurring prostatitis for over forty years, I was unusually young when it first manifested itself. It made me feel very low at times and it can be seriously life impacting. Fortunately, for the last twenty or more years it's been less severe and only flares up occasionally. Also fortunately, my PSA test results (of which I've had many) have been 'normal'.
Oh. And be careful when having the prostate finger check. If he has both hands on your shoulders when doing it, there's something funny going on! :eek:
Thanks for that :) We are already wary of being touched and certainly in that way
Is there no sense of something wrong without the examination. Cant they just do a scan of the behind?
I already have a funny relationship with doctors. I very rarely have to go. I find them very stand offish and the last one I had was just a stuck up snob really. I find them a necessary evil and could probably self diagnose in most instances. I mainly go in for cosmetic surface issues and they do damn all about that because it doesnt seem serious enough to them.
The thought of that sort of examination just leaves me cold. it cant be any fun for them either and I cant imagine the doctors Ive seen doing it. They probably have a nurse to do it...actually I would be more comfortable with a nurse doing it...no not what you are thinking..... a male nurse or otherwise.......just a lets get on with it then and not bother the GP.
I would sort of prefer a prostate centre where someone is doing it all day...what a job eh
Thanks for that :) We are already wary of being touched and certainly in that way
Is there no sense of something wrong without the examination. Cant they just do a scan of the behind?
I already have a funny relationship with doctors. I very rarely have to go. I find them very stand offish and the last one I had was just a stuck up snob really. I find them a necessary evil and could probably self diagnose in most instances. I mainly go in for cosmetic surface issues and they do damn all about that because it doesnt seem serious enough to them.
The thought of that sort of examination just leaves me cold. it cant be any fun for them either and I cant imagine the doctors Ive seen doing it. They probably have a nurse to do it...actually I would be more comfortable with a nurse doing it...no not what you are thinking..... a male nurse or otherwise.......just a more matter of fact lets get on with it then and not bother the GP.
I would sort of prefer a prostate centre where someone is doing it all day...what a job eh
my docs are women so not as much of an issue. they are kind and put you at your ease.. had some that were not tho
Always reminds me of 'Fletch' with Chevy Chase, where he has the prostrate exam and starts singing 'Moon River'.
Always reminds me of 'Fletch' with Chevy Chase, where he has the prostrate exam and starts singing 'Moon River'.
wont be many doing that :eyebrows:
Being a little like Martin , I rarely ever went to the Docs. We had a clown at our local that was nothing more than a c word . My first visit -he just sort of squinted with head on one side , in the chair , and asked me what I have come for.
Having had glandular fever very badly as a 17 yr old , I had cold sores all over my face then and had recurring bouts when run down.
Told him I had herpes virus on my face and he told me -I'd asked what you'd had come for and not a diagnosis!!:rolleyes: Was basically rude and arrogant and I left feeling like a puppy with my tail betwen my legs . Put it down to me being a bit manic and not trying to waste Docs time!!
My neighbour had the same expeirience and many others I met !!
But in the main over the years ,I have had little cause to complain about any of my doctors and even now I changed practice, because of the arrogant barsteward , who I refused to see:)
You have to remind them who pays their wages, that tends to take the starch out of them pretty quick. Doctors are not used to people standing up to them or reminding them where their £100K a year is coming from.
You have to remind them who pays their wages, that tends to take the starch out of them pretty quick. Doctors are not used to people standing up to them or reminding them where their £100K a year is coming from.
gave a male doctor a piece of my mind once when he got cheeky with me. He was nice as ninepence after that...mainly because i was right and he was wrong i think. i wasnt rude just took him down a peg with logic.
he gave me a row for seeing him as an emergency as it wasnt as it transpired. i told the dick, how was i supposed to know i wasnt having a heart attack without consulting him? wait a few hrs till I died?
You have to remind them who pays their wages, that tends to take the starch out of them pretty quick. Doctors are not used to people standing up to them or reminding them where their £100K a year is coming from.
Hear, hear! Don't take any pish from *anyone* - no matter WHO they are, is my motto. As others have said, a lot of doctors are snooty bastards, who are too full of their own self-importance [mainly the men, I find]. which is so typical of academic types, devoid of any people skills!:rolleyes:
So the best plan is to let them politely know from the off, that they're not dealing with a numpty!;)
It's one thing having the intelligence to pass the relevant medical exams, to qualify as a doctor, and quite another to have a nice 'bedside manner'...
And IMO, the best doctors are always those who excel at the latter and can put their patients minds at ease. The same also applies with teachers, which is one of the reasons why my wife succeeds so much (as she's really good with kids, always friendly, smiley/even-tempered, and also knows the subjects she teaches inside out).
I've not been to the doctor for over 10 years (since I was diagnosed with a spinal tumour and went through the process of successfully dealing with that and the following checkups), and it would've been about 15 years before that since I was last there. I'm very rarely ill [take no regular tablets for anything, no aches or pains], but I guess I should go for a check up again ('MOT]) just in case. I'd certainly have no qualms about that :cool:
However, never feel intimidated by a doctor, as that's not what they're there for. They're there to help YOU, not massage their egos!
Marco.
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