View Full Version : Google Street View..
I went on the above tonight for the first time, as my wife was worried that she and son had been photographed by the travelling cameras as they drove past.. (She hadn't, as it happened).
I then did the nosey thing and typed in some old haunts, starting with the house I grew up in (and spent many years of my early adult life). The close-ups were frightening and gave much food for thought - the front door was open (as was the tailgate of the car parked outside) and I had full view through the hall to the kitchen door. Upstairs at least has been double glazed and the owners have fortunately kept the leaded lights in the sash windows which were such an important part of the house IMO.
Next to our current address. A wonderful view of the front, fortunately not showing the state of the porch paintwork which must be done this year. At the back, at least our car has its number plate fudged out and the garage and neighbour's trees obscure our back garden..
Going to our last home, I was able to zoom in the lounge window and catch glimpses of the ornaments on the "inglenook" style fireplace we had.
Looking at some favourite Nth Welsh haunts had me maudlin and the alcohol didn't help the mood either. The pics were in good enough definition that memories of my childhood came flooding back - I had my happiest childhood memories there.......
The thing is, once the gawping has stopped, do we really want to see UK life this close up? I feel it's an infringement of personal privacy to be honest..
Any thoughts fella's?
Rare Bird
12-03-2010, 21:15
Dave
Gis a link to this street map download lets have a butchers
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 21:15
Yeah, it's a bit odd really, I'm a bit half and half, it's interesting... But I'm not sure I know what it's for? It's certainly a bit invasive ... My step mom has had the drive re-graveled since I was last there about 10 years ago ... :)
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 21:17
You don't have to download just go on google maps ... On the map drag the little man above the zoom bar to where you want to see
Beechwoods
12-03-2010, 21:19
My wife and the kids were pretty much followed home by the Google Streetview car, so there's a sequence of about 4 or 5 local pictures with them in, including one of them opening the front door. I don't see it as sinister, but a sign of the modern age. Britain has more CCTV per capita than anywhere else in the world.
I use Street View to check whether there's a long queue at the baker's... :lol:
No, seriously, Street View is as intrusive any Google products, anyway. That is, a little bit. ;)
aquapiranha
12-03-2010, 22:07
I agree with Nick. I do not see it is an invasion of privacy, but as the shape of things to come. When I look at my son, he 'lives' online, he and his friends know exactly what each is doing nearly all of the time. They do not see it as anything but normal. It is easy to look at it from our more mature POV and see it all as the thin end of the wedge, but we have to allow the future to arrive, we will not stop it, it is coming, whether we like it or not. You can either accept it will happen, or you cannot.
Hi Steve,
Where ya been, dude? You've been rather quiet recently :)
Marco.
aquapiranha
12-03-2010, 22:10
Indeed I have Marco. But I hope to be here more often from now on!
Steve
Spectral Morn
12-03-2010, 22:16
It is an invasion of privacy. I had our house removed from it.
Regards D S D L
aquapiranha
12-03-2010, 22:21
Hi Neil. I can see why you might think that it is, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is just my opinion. I am sure there are good arguments on both sides. For me at least, it is a great help for my plans of world domination.....
Rare Bird
12-03-2010, 22:29
I don't really mind as all our windows & doors are nailed up with planks of wood, i even have a tunnel dug out from under the kitchen floor to the nearest subway..Any bright spark now trying to access that subway hatch will have a nice suprise half the way through it :lolsign:
I'm just dowloading Google Underground View... :lolsign:
Rare Bird
12-03-2010, 22:37
I'm just dowloading Google Underground View... :lolsign:
Google wimbledon common, London you'll find it
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 22:43
What's it actually for?
I'm not entirely agaist it, after all it's only static so you can't be watched ... I just don't really see the point in it... It must have cost an absolute fortune!
Like all of these things, (ID cards, CCTV) if you've got nothing to hide, where's the worry?
Beechwoods
12-03-2010, 23:10
Just imagine if you could navigate 18th century London, or Glasgow, or Tolpuddle, in the way you can Google Streetview today... I think that's the point of it :scratch:
Beechwoods
12-03-2010, 23:11
Like all of these things, (ID cards, CCTV) if you've got nothing to hide, where's the worry?
Umpteen governments can already read the newsprint on our paper hat when we're out lounging in the garden, and they're the ones we should really be worrying about!
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 23:22
Like all of these things, (ID cards, CCTV) if you've got nothing to hide, where's the worry?
No disrespect alex,That point of view really gets my bak up... Its point of view that alows the government to introduce these genuinly intrusive things like Id cards.
What if you do have something to hide
these things store your medical records - what about someone with HIV wanting to fund work, an employer might well not give that person the job based on that fact
same goes for people with criminal records, they might not want thier past effecting their future! I have commited crimes (I would think a lot of us have) that I didn't get cort doing but if I had done (they wernt serious) I wouldn't want them affecting my future... Which they very easily could if they were on a I'd card
And what about identity theft
not to mention the most important factor, why should the government be allowed to have a database on all of us.. Where does it end?
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 23:24
Just imagine if you could navigate 18th century London, or Glasgow, or Tolpuddle, in the way you can Google Streetview today... I think that's the point of it :scratch:
I can get that!
But what was googles reasoning?
Google needs viral advertising : mentioning its name everyday for a reason or another, that's the point. ;)
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 23:31
But what did google state as thier reasoning?
Rare Bird
12-03-2010, 23:39
Gawd bless em, just let all these little thing take their courses, not be long before every fart in your life is recorded.
Some people may think they are important & better than others,there not there nothing but nobodies in reality.. some may think they have a private life outside the public domain.The day people realise that they have sad little lives going through everyday repetative régime's the better.I for one refuse to play any of their games.
This is a good book to read cos it wont be too long
Beechwoods
12-03-2010, 23:46
But what did google state as thier reasoning?
This is where it all started: http://www.google.com/press/annc/maps_where20.html
Street View provides users with a rich, immersive browsing experience directly in Google Maps, enabling greater understanding of a specific location or area. ... With Street View users can virtually walk the streets of a city, check out a restaurant before arriving, and even zoom in on bus stops and street signs to make travel plans.
I think that basically Google wanted to differentiate their map offering from everyone else. It's all about 'standout'.
This is a good book to read cos it wont be too long
Only about 11 years if you're stuck in '73 Andre! :lol:
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 23:49
another gem along similar lines -
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51s%2BHFe3XPL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
Rare Bird
12-03-2010, 23:51
Just wait for that day where you get issued with a special card that records every finance you have, savings the lot, you have your wages etc put onto the card, so that every single penny you earn or spend, pay your holidays, buy things etc etc all recorded in national data base..Privacy ha next joke please
Rare Bird
12-03-2010, 23:53
THX 1138
Logan's Run
The Vinyl Adventure
12-03-2010, 23:55
Another good read based on sorta similar lines
http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/Huxley_brave_new_world_small.jpg
Beechwoods
12-03-2010, 23:56
I love THX 1138... sound design by Walter Murch - worth the price of entry alone.
And LUH 3417 is dead foxy too :)
Rare Bird
12-03-2010, 23:59
Another good read based on sorta similar lines
http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/Huxley_brave_new_world_small.jpg
I had the album 'Impressions On Reading Aldous Huxley' on this morning
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 00:00
A new one on me that Andre?
Rare Bird
13-03-2010, 00:02
I love THX 1138... sound design by Walter Murch - worth the price of entry alone.
And LUH 3417 is dead foxy too :)
She had her really long hair shaved off especially for that job..Theres an interview on the DVD
Rare Bird
13-03-2010, 00:03
A new one on me that Andre?
Obscure German prog.
The CD is Austria Record Finder Records ARF099 Digipack
No disrespect alex,That point of view really gets my bak up... Its point of view that alows the government to introduce these genuinly intrusive things like Id cards.
What if you do have something to hide
these things store your medical records - what about someone with HIV wanting to fund work, an employer might well not give that person the job based on that fact
same goes for people with criminal records, they might not want thier past effecting their future! I have commited crimes (I would think a lot of us have) that I didn't get cort doing but if I had done (they wernt serious) I wouldn't want them affecting my future... Which they very easily could if they were on a I'd card
And what about identity theft
not to mention the most important factor, why should the government be allowed to have a database on all of us.. Where does it end?
Well we'll have to agree to disagree on this one! ;) I've never seen anywhere a proposal that employers would be able to screen prospective employee's medical history via an ID card :scratch: - maybe a logical jump, but the fact is that already you would be asked on a job application for your medical history - if you lied about it, then that would be deception, surely?
Similarly criminal record - the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act provides for exactly this - if you are convicted of a minor offence (shoplifting, say) then after a defined period, this is wiped from your record, ("spent") and you no longer have to declare it on application forms for jobs, insurance cover etc. A more serious crime such as murder would never become spent, and you would always have to declare your conviction. But again, I don't see how this would make any difference with ID cards - all an ID card would do is enforce you not to be able to lie about your criminal past - if you had spent convictions, nothing would be stored - if you were a murderer, it would - I for one would like that sort of information to be available to say, the owner of a Nursery who was employing someone to look after my daughter... (OK, maybe making the argument emotive is a little underhand, but hopefully you get my point.)
Identity theft is a non-issue - biometrics would see to that - far safer than anything we have at the moment (a picture in a passport or driving licence that could be 10 years + old?)
OK here's a really far out proposal that will get your blood boiling - at birth, every child's DNA should be collected and stored on a national database. This one action would single-handedly bring about an end to unsolved murders, rapes, serious assaults, many property crimes - not to mention putting Jeremy Kyle out of business, because every child would be confirmed as being the offspring of the alleged father (or not) at the time of birth, ensuring that no father would ever end up being duped into providing for a child that is not his, and absent fathers would not be allowed to escape their responsibilities...
Is that 1984 enough for yer? :eyebrows:
Steve Toy
13-03-2010, 00:24
Alex is clearly our resident authoritarian. If you trade freedom for security, Alex, you end up with neither.
As your daughter gets older I hope you teach her to fend for herself rather than wrap her up in cotton wool.
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 00:29
Yep, the idea of that makes me sick! I'd leave the country if the government managed by some miricle to pass that as law
I understand the positives alex and I see my specific examples are a touch flawed... But we are suposed to live in a society where you are inocent until proven guilty! (it's in the bloody magna carta - although since the terorism act that's gone down the shitter). This society of fear where we are suspicious of everyone is not healthy and fundamentaly not human in my view!
Rare Bird
13-03-2010, 00:30
A new one on me that Andre?
Someone kindly put it up in it's entirity
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btw: He made a mistake with title 5, should be 'Malpais Corn Dance'
:)
'The Door of the lighthouse was ajar, they pushed it open & walked into a shuttered twilight. Through an archway on the further side of the room, they could see the bottom of the staircase that led upto the higher floor. Just under the crown of the arch, Dangled a pair of feet. ''Mr Savage!'', Slowly, very slowly like two unhuried compass needles, the feet turned towards the right..North.North-East. East, South-East,South. South,South-West, then pause an after a few seconds, turned as unhuriedly back towards the left.. South. South-West. South, South-East. East'.
The Grand Wazoo
13-03-2010, 00:32
Back to the OP for a mo' if I may.
It strikes me that this is another instance of a commonly occurring theme in our lives. The theme being that things are not generally perceived as being intrusive. ........ until, that is, it intrudes on your own life. In which case you take it as a seriously invasive event.
Surely this means that, on balance, our lives would be better without it?
Who does it actually help?
What is it other than an excercise in 'we're gonna do it 'cos we can' ?
Why should we have to check a website to see whether our homes, possessions & loved ones have been exposed to the tender mercy of the scumbag criminal element of society & then have an image removed? Surely it should be opt in rather than opt out?
Rare Bird
13-03-2010, 00:38
Back to the OP for a mo' if I may.
It strikes me that this is another instance of a commonly occurring theme in our lives. The theme being that things are not generally perceived as being intrusive. ........ until, that is, it intrudes on your own life. In which case you take it as a seriously invasive event.
Surely this means that, on balance, our lives would be better without it?
Who does it actually help?
What is it other than an excersice in 'we're gonna do it 'cos we can' ?
Why should we have to check a website to see whether our homes, possessions & loved ones have been exposed to the tender mercy of the scumbag criminal element of society & then have an image removed? Surely it should be opt in rather than opt out?
I'll give you an instance of which all this type of thing is unhealty.
Say your on E-Bay & have a serious disagreement with someone who is should i say mentally unstable who needs to take revenge on you for not playing his game, after checkout he has your full details, it is as easy as pile for him to get a deffo location as to where your house is & roughly what it looks like for said person to come pay you a visit .It could be done easy enough without things like this but far more simple with.Believe me there are enough of these fruit cakes about.
The Grand Wazoo
13-03-2010, 00:40
Identity theft is a non-issue - biometrics would see to that - far safer than anything we have at the moment (a picture in a passport or driving licence that could be 10 years + old?)
Sorry Alex - the danger in that statement is that you make the statement.
When the criminals, terorrists or Mossad crack a way into biometric coding (and nothing is more sure than the fact that they will), the reliance on the 'total security' of the system will mean that other methods of security will have been dropped.
You can't beat an element of risk to keep people vigilant and on their toes! - Witness the beyond control spiraling of health and safety measures. Or the death of the Titanic, maybe?
The Grand Wazoo
13-03-2010, 00:52
I'm back on you again Alex, sorry, honest!
OK here's a really far out proposal that will get your blood boiling - at birth, every child's DNA should be collected and stored on a national database. This one action would single-handedly bring about an end to unsolved murders, rapes, serious assaults, many property crimes - not to mention putting Jeremy Kyle out of business, because every child would be confirmed as being the offspring of the alleged father (or not) at the time of birth, ensuring that no father would ever end up being duped into providing for a child that is not his, and absent fathers would not be allowed to escape their responsibilities...
At which point do you hand the adopted child the certificate that tells them their father was a murdering rapist (for example)?
Yep, the idea of that makes me sick! I'd leave the country if the government managed by some miricle to pass that as law
I understand the positives alex and I see my specific examples are a touch flawed... But we are suposed to live in a society where you are inocent until proven guilty! (it's in the bloody magna carta - although since the terorism act that's gone down the shitter). This society of fear where we are suspicious of everyone is not healthy and fundamentaly not human in my view!
I was of course being tongue in cheek, but still, I don't see how the principal of law changes just because we carry ID cards, and it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that we were/weren't involved in a particular crime.
As your daughter gets older I hope you teach her to fend for herself rather than wrap her up in cotton wool.
Because I don't want school teachers to be murderers I'm wrapping my daughter up in cotton wool!? :eek:
Alex is clearly our resident authoritarian. If you trade freedom for security, Alex, you end up with neither.
Not an authoritarian at all, it shouldn't be about state rule, that's not what I am supporting - in my opinion it should be about old fashioned values, where crime, terrorism and dishonesty are not tolerated by society in general, not just because a government says so...
Good here, innit? ;)
I'm back on you again Alex, sorry, honest!
At which point do you hand the adopted child the certificate that tells them their father was a murdering rapist (for example)?
Crikey, I hadn't thought that far ahead, I'm on my second bottle of Rioja!
:scratch:
not to mention the most important factor, why should the government be allowed to have a database on all of us.. Where does it end?
Missed this one first time around - do you think that because we don't yet have ID cards the government doesn't yet have a database on all of us...?
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 01:11
I suspect to a certain extent they do... But I'm not gonna make it easier for them!
Like all of these things, (ID cards, CCTV) if you've got nothing to hide, where's the worry?
This is the quote of the thread,and the statement made by every abusive government.
You have nothing to hide now,but laws and governments can change and the tools are in place.
Think about it.
Don't give your freedom,rights and privicey away with out a fight it only encourages tyraney.
Rare Bird
13-03-2010, 05:12
Arnt you guys well under control of the watching eye anyway?
We do what we can here but it seems to be comming from all sides right now.
I'm worried for my little Tom's future only 7 months old.
If we don't get our act togather he won't live a life free of opression.
England never regained it's promanance in the world after WWII.
The U.S. may not recover from our crushing debt and cursed apathee,people here feel entitled and that is dangerus."that won't happen here" is the line of the day.
I always ask "WHY? what makes us immune?"
THe usual reply seems to be "the government won't let that happen."
My faith in government is very weak for I have none at all.
I do have faith in people willing to work hard and speak there minds when it's not so easy.That I have faith in.
The little guy in the pictures below has made me rethink the world,and how it will treat him in the future.
My hope is the light of liberty will still exist in some form.
This is the quote of the thread,and the statement made by every abusive government.
You have nothing to hide now,but laws and governments can change and the tools are in place.
Think about it.
Don't give your freedom,rights and privicey away with out a fight it only encourages tyraney.
And also the point is : a Government/State apparatus is NOT an abstract institutional concept. It's a bunch of human beings with the same bad sides and personal interests as anybody else. And even worse : most of the time, they have more education, targeted interest and material means than the average bloke.
Sorry Alex - the danger in that statement is that you make the statement.
When the criminals, terorrists or Mossad crack a way into biometric coding (and nothing is more sure than the fact that they will), the reliance on the 'total security' of the system will mean that other methods of security will have been dropped.
You can't beat an element of risk to keep people vigilant and on their toes! - Witness the beyond control spiraling of health and safety measures. Or the death of the Titanic, maybe?
All duly noted, but I still don't see how not trying to improve the security of our systems makes us in any way safer, and how adding some form of biometrics makes us less safe? A lot of laptops now have fingerprint readers that only allow authorised people to use them, (we have them in my company) which is FAR safer than a password alone - it protects sensitive data from getting into the wrong hands - I don't see a problem, in the same way I don't see a problem in a passport having to be verified by the holder's fingerprint, not just a photograph.
I do take the point intimated (and raised by others) that once the infrastructure is there it could be used for dubious purposes, but then already if you live in a city or large town you are under incredible scrutiny from CCTV cameras, the same with automatic registration number recognition across our road network, your movements are traced and tracked by cash and PIN machines, if you need to clock in at work, by your internet activity - you don't have any privacy to protect any more anyway! :(
And also the point is : a Government/State apparatus is NOT an abstract institutional concept. It's a bunch of human beings with the same bad sides and personal interests as anybody else. And even worse : most of the time, they have more education, targeted interest and material means than the average bloke.
It's also alot like the creation of the A bomb,a small group of people know the whole project.
Yet,hundreds of people did there part in building it not knowing what they are really working on.
A few corupt people reach the very top and contole very secretly a fututre chain of events that will give them totle contol.
It could happen very easily,My adoptive father Donald Wayne Harper never knew the detination system he was working on would play such a roll in ending the war.
Never belive what your told and only a little of what you see.
I'm back on you again Alex, sorry, honest!
At which point do you hand the adopted child the certificate that tells them their father was a murdering rapist (for example)?
Well I guess it would be no different to now - if you are adopted, and want to find out about your biological parents, you could still find out you were the son of a murdering rapist, couldn't you?
I'm being very tongue in cheek in this whole thread (I was in a mischievous mood last night!) and I don't actually want a national DNA register, but there is some logic to the argument for it... ;)
Never belive what your told and only a little of what you see.
I was a witness to a plane crash at an airshow about 12 years ago - that taught me a lot about the media - every news report on TV, Radio, Newspaper was different and not one of them agreed with what I actually saw with my own eyes... or rather my interpretation of what I saw... or saw what THEY wanted me to see... :stalks:
The little guy in the pictures below has made me rethink the world,and how it will treat him in the future.
My hope is the light of liberty will still exist in some form.
They do that to you! Bless him - a cutie - let's hope the next generation don't have to put up with my twisted vision! ;)
All duly noted, but I still don't see how not trying to improve the security of our systems makes us in any way safer, and how adding some form of biometrics makes us less safe? A lot of laptops now have fingerprint readers that only allow authorised people to use them, (we have them in my company) which is FAR safer than a password alone - it protects sensitive data from getting into the wrong hands - I don't see a problem, in the same way I don't see a problem in a passport having to be verified by the holder's fingerprint, not just a photograph.
I do take the point intimated (and raised by others) that once the infrastructure is there it could be used for dubious purposes, but then already if you live in a city or large town you are under incredible scrutiny from CCTV cameras, the same with automatic registration number recognition across our road network, your movements are traced and tracked by cash and PIN machines, if you need to clock in at work, by your internet activity - you don't have any privacy to protect any more anyway! :(
These are only a few of the things that go on in todays society, if you have a bank account you are on the system, if you are paying tax you are on the system we could go on and on in reallity the powers that be have access to eveyrthing if they want to so id cards are only a proof of who you are if you are stopped in the street etc, going back to what Alex said if you have done nothing wrong why worry?
The satalites are always going to be there you are only allowed to see what they let you see, it has been widely known that they can read a newspaper on your lap so big brother is always going to be whatching you from above, but i find Google very interesting but at the same time very disturbing because it's giving all and sundry the chance to see what you have, where you live and what you drive and more.
One of the biggest problems we have is people coming into this country that are never on a system or get registered somewhere who just fall off the radar and are out there doing who knows what, how can these people be tracked or found, if they have a real passport or identitiy to start with, this is where finger printing or eye scanning would be a plus, all this thing with body scanners upsetting certain groups, again if you have nothing to hide then why worry, its only a matter of time before they will make a bomb that will defy these scanners and we will all be afraid to travel on a plane in fear of it being blown up.
So what is the answer to the fact that we have big brother watching over us all the time, you either like it or you don't but there is not much you can do about it.
twelvebears
13-03-2010, 08:16
Personally I love it!
Here's a group of my friends and I on an afternoon out in London (I'm the big bloke on crutches in the middle)http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv187/twelvebears/Picture1.png
twelvebears
13-03-2010, 08:33
Also a small point is the myth that satellites can read papers, number plates etc from space.
In reality, max satellite resolution is about 1m. i.e that's the size of a pixel at that distance. So unless you set out a sign made of 1m square bits og paper, you're safe.
All the high-res stuff you see on Google Earth comes from aerial photography, not satellites.
Also a small point is the myth that satellites can read papers, number plates etc from space.
In reality, max satellite resolution is about 1m. i.e that's the size of a pixel at that distance. So unless you set out a sign made of 1m square bits og paper, you're safe.
All the high-res stuff you see on Google Earth comes from aerial photography, not satellites.
Ah but thats what they want us to think,:lol:
Yes i did know about the aerial photography thing, they used to knock on my door every year to see if i want to buy an aerial photo of my house , but google has put paid to that
DanJennings
13-03-2010, 09:11
another gem along similar lines -
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51s%2BHFe3XPL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
I've made an impact!
I'm still looking for a better copy of that book
pure sound
13-03-2010, 09:27
My son is on it walking home from school. Captured for eternity (or at least til Google feel enough has changed for them to photograph places again). He'll grow older but his image there won't. I'm almost envious.
I like it. I'm fascinated by places. there's nothing I couldn't see anyway if I wanted to jump in my car & drive to a particular place. I've also found it useful to visualise places before I go to them. Before my trip to Lisbon last year, I'd already looked at the street my cut price hotel was in and at the walk from there to where the show was. I also like looking back at places I've visited on holidays etc.
aquapiranha
13-03-2010, 09:52
Bloody hell guys! some SERIOUS paranoia on this thread...
google is not (at least I doubt it is) a govt. agency hell bent on revealing you all for the terrorist scum that you may be.... what possible reason would there be for them to publish this 'information' in the public domain even if it were?
As for showing everyone what car you drive, the majority of people I know WANT to show off a new car to all and sundry when they get one..
This kind of knee jerk reaction is exactly what I would expect tbh. as for science fiction visions of a future filled with order and no privacy, well, if we were to believe science fiction we would all be living on the moon by now and driving flying cars!
get a grip
:lol:
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 13:25
Google is just a minor example of something that a lot of people see as a privacy infringment. It has just triggered the rest of peoples paranoia.
I personally think paranoia is understandable. Alexes toungue in cheek comments actually demonstrate the level of fear that has been premoted through the media in this country!
His comments about his daughters teachers possibly being peados for example - I wonder if when alex was a little lad at school did his parents worry about such things, what about thier parents did they worry in the same way... Well maybe they did, I imagine being a parent does make you worry... But not like in today's society - There has always been peadophiles and rapist and murderers, but these days we are lead to belive there is one in every street. The media latches so firmly on to these worrys and concerns we have as they sell papers. There's 60 million people in this country yet the minute percentage we hear the majority about are the worst criminals (and polititians ... Same odds I guess?). (Even celebrity culture breeds concerns - every time Ashley cole is mentioned hannah asks if I would cheat on her!) The speed of today's media means that false information and false negativity is peddled before any kind of official statements are made and because it's been going for so long the majority just belive the worst without any evidence...
Now with all this fear going on the government are likely to bring in more measures to "protect us" after all if we are scared then that's what we will want so it will win votes.. Then the more these measures are brought in the more we belive we need them - alexes responses are the perfect example!(however tongue in cheek they were intended) Then one day before we know it we have millions of CCTV cameras and laws that's contradict the basic foundations of our justice system ... Oh wait, that's happend already! What is next? If it does carry on we could end up being monitored all day every day it's not a long leap to suggest that our travels could be monitored by the mobile phones we all carry... Next we are chipped at birth... If we could be tracked all day everyday then how could we possibly commit crimes? ... Ok that is a far leap, but alexes comments suggest there are people who either wouldn't complain about that or wouldn't care either way!
Fear is taking over society, I'd just rather be fearful of the result of the fear than be fearful of the murderer who doesn't live down my street! The alternative is of course apathy... And that in my view is even worse!
Steve Toy
13-03-2010, 13:47
Brilliant post Hamish. You've just saved me half an hour at least!
In summary, this government under Blair learnt how to manipulate the media and the electorate as a whole in order to create a need. That need for extra security and a curtailing of libery is fear - fear of climate change, terrorism, paedophiles and other bogeymen.
(Even celebrity culture breeds concerns - every time Ashley cole is mentioned hannah asks if I would cheat on her!)
Does she think you fancy him?
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 14:34
Hehe, yeah, I'm all about the hot footballers me!!!
Hehe, yeah, I'm all about the hot footballers me!!!
I Vote John Terry for prime minister
So Well Spoken Hamish,
Hats off!
Nothing to add to that.
So you think the "news" (TV and papers) have replaced "religion" in the role of the "opiate of the people" ? :scratch:
Quite possible.
Brilliant post Hamish. You've just saved me half an hour at least!
In summary, this government under Blair learnt how to manipulate the media and the electorate as a whole in order to create a need. That need for extra security and a curtailing of libery is fear - fear of climate change, terrorism, paedophiles and other bogeymen.
Here G.W.B. played the same song as you priminister.
Both partys here are now filled with corupted inbreads.
The progressive movement started under Woodrow Wilson
became impowered during the 1960's with backing from comunist Russia.
and resurfaced with the Clinons and now Obama.
If you really want to understand U.S. poitics Glen Beck is a good place to start.
The UK and the USA seem to be going the way of the French,OK I said it.
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 18:43
I would say the majority of people in this country pick up some kind of paper on the way to work and then spend the evening in front of the stupid box... I would also say that the majority of people don't question what they read or see on the news.
The only television that it's possible to get any sence out of as to what is going on in this country is "question time" everything else in the media in my view is untrustworthy, as they all have thier own agendas.
Even politics is now more about the media now they are practically trying to tap into the celebrity culture, not to mention using the media to fight their battles!
And in a world where the lives of footballers wives, pop stars and katie price (whatever she is) gets people interested enough to buy the likes heat by the ton- and the x factor gets more votes than the general election...
I'd say religion ranks pretty low for the majority (with obvious exceptions)
I'd say religion ranks pretty low for the majority (with obvious exceptions)
:sofa::popcorn:
Rare Bird
13-03-2010, 18:52
I would say the majority of people in this country pick up some kind of paper on the way to work and then spend the evening in front of the stupid box... I would also say that the majority of people don't question what they read or see on the news.
The only television that it's possible to get any sence out of as to what is going on in this country is "question time" everything else in the media in my view is untrustworthy, as they all have thier own agendas.
Even politics is now more about the media now they are practically trying to tap into the celebrity culture, not to mention using the media to fight their battles!
And in a world where the lives of footballers wives, pop stars and katie price (whatever she is) gets people interested enough to buy the likes heat by the ton- and the x factor gets more votes than the general election...
I'd say religion ranks pretty low for the majority (with obvious exceptions)
Hamish i hate TV with a passion, i can safely say i never bought a newspaper in my life..I see things on TV like the private lives of stars & well known celebrities,,While ever people are making them rich by watching these shit programmes, buying magazine or what ever the tossers make they will be branded famous/richer, there no body **NO-BODY** you hear
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 19:18
I would prefer to agree with you Andre... But unfortunately the reality isn't that simple is it. The fact remains these pointless celebritys have become as well known as they have because the majority of people in this country have paid for them to be there... It's sad but it's true! Nobodys they maybe, but the are rich nobodys who unfortunatly inspire a lot of interest in people!
Like all of these things, (ID cards, CCTV) if you've got nothing to hide, where's the worry?
The 'The nothing to hide argument'
From wired...
"If I'm not doing anything wrong, then you have no cause to watch me."
"Because the government gets to define what's wrong, they can keep changing the definition to suit."
"Because you might do something wrong with my information."
Furthermore...
Who watches the watchers? Privacy protects us from abuses by those in power and control. For example, If you had a phone with a light on it that lit up every time the government was listening in on you, would you disable the light ?
Spectral Morn
13-03-2010, 20:45
We are seeing the removal of Cash from society. First the cheque will go (going), then Cash. More and more people shop/buy using PayPal, credit and debit cards....its so much easier than *that awful cash stuff* How ? :scratch: Ah you will leave a record of all your activity....so its (cash) only bad from a government point of view. With electronic money only, they can truly know everything, and control us, more effectively.
" And he requires everyone-small and great, rich and poor, free and slave-to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast's name or the number of his name" Revelation 13 v16
Contactless technology, digital, chipping and the removal of cash all point to the above passage. Its coming...real soon. Without a card (how long before the card is seen like cash and a micro chip is the preferred, enforced alternative..because its safer....then all your details go on it...because its safer) or chip you will be unable to get anything, services, food etc. And the powers that be will follow your every move...Paranoia ? Nope, its coming, or here all ready.
Regards D S D L
The Vinyl Adventure
13-03-2010, 20:54
Well there you have it, quotes from wired to the bible... Case closed I say :)
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