Pioneer PLC-590 turntable

[karma67]

On moday i will be driving very early from brighton to leeds to pick it up,i do hope its worth it! :doh:
In the meantime heres a few pics from the ebay listing, a lot more to follow!!

https://s26.postimg.cc/wt15172o9/s-l1600.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/cyf3f2v6h/s-l1600bl.jpg

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the arm is a low mass Audio Technica AT 1100,this is coming straight off and will be sold, eagle eyed readers will notice a button missing in the last photo. im sure speedy steve could turn me a new one so an easy fix.

[RobbieGong]

Man after my own heart Jamie, I'd defo have Speedy Steve turn something out. The decks too sweet to leave it :)

[JimC]

Am I missing something, I can only see one Picture...............?

Jim

[karma67]

Man after my own heart Jamie, I'd defo have Speedy Steve turn something out. The decks too sweet to leave it :)

cheers rob,steve is already doing a fantastic job on some bronze counterweights for my zeta tonearm,no doubt he will post some photos when they are finished.


Am I missing something, I can only see one Picture...............?

Jim
yep another 3 :)

[skimminstones]

only one pic showing for me

[RobbieGong]

I reckon a Angus Phonomac treated AT-1010 would have been amazing on this deck Jamie........ ;)

[Bigman80]

I'm really looking forward to the Pics on Tuesday, Mate. I think you have picked up a great DD Turntable. Certainly in terms of looks!!. That meter is beautiful and i must admit to lusting for one for a long time.

I fully expect that once you have set it up, checked it works correctly and play a record, the Rock will become a memory. Glad i found it for you ;)

[Jimbo]

Very Nice.

[Floyddroid]

On moday i will be driving very early from brighton to leeds to pick it up,i do hope its worth it! :doh:
In the meantime heres a few pics from the ebay listing, a lot more to follow!!

https://s26.postimg.org/wt15172o9/s-l1600.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/cyf3f2v6h/s-l1600bl.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/k1myup8bt/s-l1600kjnkl.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/xvbbjrvs9/s-l1600b.jpg

the arm is a low mass Audio Technica AT 1100,this is coming straight off and will be sold, eagle eyed readers will notice a button missing in the last photo. im sure speedy steve could turn me a new one so an easy fix.

Worry not the drive will be well worth it. Having heard Alan Towell's PLC-590 i can assure you it's rather special.

[rigger67]

... eagle eyed readers will notice a button missing in the last photo.

There was me thinking it was a headphone socket :scratch:

Beautiful deck, mate - congratulations.

[Bigman80]

I reckon a Angus Phonomac treated AT-1010 would have been amazing on this deck Jamie........ ;)

Buy a (PM)AT-1010.....Put it on the 590, Sell your other arms and use the profit to buy a real top quality SUT/HA

retire happy.

[RobbieGong]

Buy a (PM)AT-1010.....Put it on the 590, Sell your other arms and use the profit to buy a real top quality SUT/HA

retire happy.

He's right you know ;)

[karma67]

He's right you know ;)

well before you two spend more of my money :D have you compared a zeta to the at-1010?
interestingly they both have an effective mass of 16g.
this is a good read ,click the download bit in blue,

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=19075

it covers both at-1010 and the one on my pioneer.

[Bigman80]

well before you two spend more of my money :D have you compared a zeta to the at-1010?
interestingly they both have an effective mass of 16g.
this is a good read ,click the download bit in blue,

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=19075

it covers both at-1010 and the one on my pioneer.Doesn't cover the Phonomac AT-1010 mate. It's a different animal. I've heard both mate. Modded and standard. Not heard a Zeta though.

[337alant]

Nice turntable Jamie :eyebrows:
Im running one with a SME 3009 mk2 and its great but I do feet the arm is holding the deck back at the frequency ext-reams so Im on the look out for a new arm my self , the Zeta looks really nice IMO

Not a great recording but is shows my turntable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP6RHNBWrt0


Alan

[karma67]

wow Alan :stalks:,its stunning mate,if mine looks like yours i will be very happy!

[karma67]

phew ive just got back.i left at 4am and im shattered,just got the energy to post a few picks before i have a kip! lol
ive given it a quick fettle with good old mr sheen and its looking very clean for its age.

https://s26.postimg.cc/rz5fwenft/IMG_1908.jpg

i left it running for 5 minutes and speed seems very stable without quartz lock on.
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the tonearm is very well made,very dainty.
https://s26.postimg.org/3veo887kp/IMG_1910.jpg

[Macca]

Just need to sort out that missing button and you've got a minter.

[Bigman80]

It's a good un

[karma67]

it would appear untouched inside which is good news too,it also has the secondary arm board under the aluminum plate.
https://s26.postimg.cc/btmverowp/IMG_1912.jpg

[karma67]

some more fiddling tonight lol
the manual says there is no need to oil as it uses oil-less bearings,so i just had to have a look.
what i found is the normal cup and ball bearing,the bearing sits on a white hard disc (delrin? ).
the bearing sleeve in the picture is also dry.
now i can see perhaps that the delrin doesn't need oil but surely the sleeve and cup need some,if only a small drop,
or should i repeat a thousand times till it sinks in, 'pioneer designed the bearing like this,they know what they are doing,leave the bloody thing alone'.

https://s26.postimg.cc/m15vawuqx/IMG_1914_1.jpg

[HackneyRF]

Wow, love it. I want one! ;)

[Ian7633]

The Toshiba has an oiless bearing too, might even be the same motor?, certainly the same as the PL 71's motor.

[Bigman80]

Do as the manual says mate. They knew more about that TT than anyone.

[karma67]

update,
speedy steve has turned me a replacement on/off button so thats sorted :)

https://s26.postimg.cc/68y190vc9/received_10210363452914526.jpg

[karma67]

so everythings is in place now,i have a 5inch square piece of aluminum to make a new tonearm board to mount the zeta on which i will do tomorrow or saturday,then its first listen time!!

[Bigman80]

He's done a grand job

[RobbieGong]

so everythings is in place now,i have a 5inch square piece of aluminum to make a new tonearm board to mount the zeta on which i will do tomorrow or saturday,then its first listen time!!

Great job from Steve there with the aluminium button Jamie - super.

Did you ever consider a nice piece of Ebony for the tonearm board Jamie ? would have been a great way to go in my experience - looks and particularly sonics where every little helps ;) :)

[karma67]

hi rob,yes thats something i would consider,under the 5mm aluminum plate is a block of 22mm mdf,i could substitute that for ebony or even better would be panzerhotz.
i agree steve has done wonders with the button :)

[RobbieGong]

hi rob,yes thats something i would consider,under the 5mm aluminum plate is a block of 22mm mdf,i could substitute that for ebony or even better would be panzerhotz.
i agree steve has done wonders with the button :)

Panzerholz - yep ! A pig to work with apparently but excellent as an application in terms of hifi - plinths, armboards, record weights and the like :D

[karma67]

getting closer!
new aluminum arm board made today.

https://s26.postimg.org/aicelh9k9/IMG_1938.jpg

[Bigman80]

Tease

[karma67]

shes up and running today :champagne:

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[Shovel_Knight]

Looks absolutely fabulous.

[RobbieGong]

Get in there Jamie ! You know it's about evaluation, critical listening and some feedback now dont you ;)

[karma67]

Get in there Jamie ! You know it's about evaluation, critical listening and some feedback now dont you ;)

'gulp' yes i do lol.
for the moment ive got a new cartridge,new tonearm wire and new interconnects to bed in first.
i have had a gut full of critical listening lately,pre denon.
im just happy to be spinning tunes :)

[Bigman80]

Wow. Looks better than I imagined.

C'mon, is it better than the rock ? I know it must be, just want you to say it [emoji23][emoji23]

[karma67]

ha ha well it hasn't pissed all over it for sure (except in looks),but then i wasn't expecting it too,id forgotten the benefits of direct drive over belt drive,rock solid speed,no wobble.

in answer to your question suffice to say im putting the rock up for sale soon.:)

[Ian7633]

That looks stunning, I can't wait to hear it

[Bigman80]

ha ha well it hasn't pissed all over it for sure (except in looks),but then i wasn't expecting it too,id forgotten the benefits of direct drive over belt drive,rock solid speed,no wobble.

in answer to your question suffice to say im putting the rock up for sale soon.:)Haha!!! I knew it!!!

I wouldn't suggest the 590 would piss over the Rock, the rock is a very good unit but the 590 will show its ability in time and you will be one happy listener.

[struth]

yup, your rock is a nice deck too. lucky to have 2 great decks

[Macca]

That has come up pretty fine, Top job man. Regardless of whether you prefer it to the Rock or not you've got a totally classic bit of Japanese design at its finest and in beautiful condition.

[Beobloke]

Very nice, Jamie - looks fab!


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[337alant]

Jamie
Love that Zeta tone arm 590 Combo, I'm sure it will sound as good as it looks

Alan

[speedracer]

Really interesting, as I am not in general a fan of Jap or any other direct drive turntables I have to say that is about the best looking one I have ever seen, congratulations. I have a Rock Elite also which is being re-worked as we speak with a DC motor/regulator/PSU, a version of spring bellow feet and an unusual twin pivot arm job which I am hoping with lift the performance somewhat, although in stock form it sounds very good too.

[337alant]

Jamie
Any update on the Zeta Pioneer 590 combo I'm interested in this rm myself ?

Alan

[karma67]

hi alan,
nothing major to report,the 590 is running flawlessly and sounding very good with the zeta.if you can get one id recommend it .
i have a tenuto mat on order for the 590 which im keen to try,the only other thing im considering is a panzerholz tonearm board,either on its own or under the pioneer's aluminum plate.

[karma67]

A new addition for the pioneer plc-590 arrived from japan today,purchased from ebay seller realdeal*japan.
It arrived safely with no problems.
So i now have the tonearm that was designed to be the top option for my turntable when new, the pioneer PA-5000. very very rare :eek:

All i can say is its bloody huge! i thought the zeta was big but this thing is much bigger,it looks expertly machined and weighs a ton.

effective length is 250mm with a mounting distance of 236,it also has vta on the fly which is a nice touch.

https://s26.postimg.cc/6yzc8md55/IMG_2133.jpg

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close up of the arm showing the quality of the engineering.

https://s26.postimg.cc/io3bwmm49/IMG_2136.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/luxvg9lzt/IMG_2137.jpg

to get a sense of scale,look how it compares to my dear old alphason :stalks:

https://s26.postimg.cc/k34wldi2h/IMG_2138.jpg

[karma67]

oh i nearly forgot,a nice touch that it comes with the original mounting template and manual,anyone read Japanese? lol

https://s26.postimg.cc/mpp0g1ynt/IMG_2140.jpg

[walpurgis]

Very nice. It's definitely a bit on the big side! :D

[RobbieGong]

Yeah, a big beaut' :)

[Bigman80]

Big is beautiful mate. Stunningly beautiful actually. Well done. Get it mounted!!!!

[karma67]

cheers,thats saturdays job :)

[Bigman80]

cheers,thats saturdays job :)Can't wait to see it mate. I love the Japanese stuff. That arm is right up my street. And the TT. beautiful stuff mate, you must be over the moon.

[karma67]

ive got an idea of what proper free play is on a tonearm now too,even with the new bearings the zeta doesn't float like this one does :cool:

[Ian7633]

Big is beautiful mate. Stunningly beautiful actually. Well done. Get it mounted!!!!

Thanks Olli, I don't get many compliments these days :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Bigman80]

Thanks Olli, I don't get many compliments these days [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]Ha, well neither do I to be fair [emoji23][emoji23]

[337alant]

Jamie thats a lovely tonearm and I think it will suit the 590 better than the Zeta, as good as the Zeta is aesthetically I don't think it look's quite right
The S shaped silver tone arms match the turntable very nicely IMO
I'm using an SME 3009 mk2 on mine and it looks great but not the last word in tone arms IMO and I am considering something better like the micro Seiki MA505 or fidelity Research FR65 or one of the Pioneers like you have


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7359/16187650139_e4cf7645e3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qErWqc)IMG_2242 (https://flic.kr/p/qErWqc) by Alan Towell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/69508926@N05/), on Flickr

Alan

[p147]

Lovely arm and beautifully engineered, its like a work of art. Did it come with the arm wired? What you will find is that the Dynamic Absorber will play a large and positve part in the performance of the arm (As it does with mine, although I have a different arm) and turntable.
Will you be using your current cartridge?
Congratulations and enjoy.

[karma67]

Jamie thats a lovely tonearm and I think it will suit the 590 better than the Zeta, as good as the Zeta is aesthetically I don't think it look's quite right
The S shaped silver tone arms match the turntable very nicely IMO
I'm using an SME 3009 mk2 on mine and it looks great but not the last word in tone arms IMO and I am considering something better like the micro Seiki MA505 or fidelity Research FR65 or one of the Pioneers like you have
Alan

i completely agree alan,


Lovely arm and beautifully engineered, its like a work of art. Did it come with the arm wired? What you will find is that the Dynamic Absorber will play a large and positve part in the performance of the arm (As it does with mine, although I have a different arm) and turntable.
Will you be using your current cartridge?
Congratulations and enjoy.

hi,thanks,yes i the arm is wired and i have the external cable too, i will give it a go with the denon 103sa but i will need to add a bit of extra weight at the rear.

[Bigman80]

i completely agree alan,



hi,thanks,yes i the arm is wired and i have the external cable too, i will give it a go with the denon 103sa but i will need to add a bit of extra weight at the rear.Are you gonna rewire it Jamie? I'm not sure I'd attempt it personally but I do think it's made a difference in every arm I've owned. PS, you've overtaken me in arms now lol

[karma67]

maybe later on mate,i think this time if i dont do it myself i would give angus a go.

[Bigman80]

maybe later on mate,i think this time if i dont do it myself i would give angus a go.Ye, good call. See how it fares and then get an expert on it if necessary. The man knows his stuff.

[paulf-2007]

Quality Jamie, there are certainly some great arms from Japan and still fetching good money.

[Beobloke]

That is a magnificent chunk of metal, although you need to change the headshell - the end of the fingerlift is far too effeminate for the rest of the arm! :D

[karma67]

Ive spent this morning fitting the arm.
Here are my initial thoughts, I love it!!
When you are used to a fixed headshell its like a breath of fresh air using an arm with a detachable one,fitting cartridges is so much easier. the anti-skate is also very nice to use and adjust.The VTA is also very precise and can be adjusted whilst listening,another thing that's brilliant.

https://s26.postimg.cc/dc2fbet95/IMG_2142.jpg

Whats it sound like? Well it doesn't blow the Alphason HR-100 or the Zeta away but then i wasn't expecting it to. it seems to be a bit more transparent than the zeta with a touch more air to the top end,bearing in mind the zeta has fresh wire throughout and the pioneer arm has 38year old cable i would hope a re-wire in the future would take it up a level.

https://s26.postimg.cc/8dewwx7gp/IMG_2143.jpg

With the Denon 103SA in use i was a little concerned about balancing the arm,for cartridges weighing 7g -12g there is when supplied new a sub weight,i dont have this so some careful applying of some lead strip helped me balance the arm.
A quick spin of the hifi news test lp showed resonance to be 11 hz,the zeta was 10 so a little better.

https://s26.postimg.cc/mjuns5q1l/IMG_2144.jpg

The specs for the arm suggest Stevenson alignment,Japanese arms seem to use this alignment a lot,the headshell slots do allow Baerwald or Löfgren B though so i can choose,i went with Baerwald.
This is my first Japanese arm,im very impressed with the level of quality and engineering,they certainly know their stuff,why they were ignored over here for so long is beyond me??

https://s26.postimg.cc/d34ul9qop/karma.jpg

[walpurgis]

Looks excellent Jamie. Suits the turntable very nicely. :thumbsup:

[Ian7633]

Once again Sir James you have posted pure pornography for us to ogle. Fortunately I'm only just up the road from you so I WILL be coming to hear it soon. Top work mate.

[Bigman80]

Yep, I'd keep that one mate. Really looks just right on the TT as you'd expect and once you feel how good a Japanese arm is, there's no going back. Great stuff.

[Jason P]

Quite possibly, IMHO, one of the most goddam SEXY TT/arm combos I've seen. Beautiful. Want.

[RobbieGong]

Quite possibly, IMHO, one of the most goddam SEXY TT/arm combos I've seen. Beautiful. Want.

Aint it just.

When you bagged that Pioneer beauty Jamie, I ached for you to put a good japanese 'S' shaped arm on it, something along the lines of the AT1010 etc and with this one you've nailed it - Gorgeous !

[337alant]

Fabulous combination Jamie weld done :eyebrows:

Alan

[karma67]

Quality Jamie, there are certainly some great arms from Japan and still fetching good money.


That is a magnificent chunk of metal, although you need to change the headshell - the end of the fingerlift is far too effeminate for the rest of the arm! :D


Looks excellent Jamie. Suits the turntable very nicely. :thumbsup:


Once again Sir James you have posted pure pornography for us to ogle. Fortunately I'm only just up the road from you so I WILL be coming to hear it soon. Top work mate.


Yep, I'd keep that one mate. Really looks just right on the TT as you'd expect and once you feel how good a Japanese arm is, there's no going back. Great stuff.


Quite possibly, IMHO, one of the most goddam SEXY TT/arm combos I've seen. Beautiful. Want.


Aint it just.

When you bagged that Pioneer beauty Jamie, I ached for you to put a good japanese 'S' shaped arm on it, something along the lines of the AT1010 etc and with this one you've nailed it - Gorgeous !


Fabulous combination Jamie weld done :eyebrows:

Alan

Cheers fellas for all the kind comments,im very pleased with it and i think i can safely say i wont be buying anymore turntables and arms now,im done!

But that doesn't stop me fiddling with it,oh no! i finished off another arm board last night to try,this is in panzerholz and i veneered it as being compressed in resin i dont think it wood take a stain very well.
it sounds good,maybe a tad more precise than the aluminum/mdf combo. strangely the manual for the arm recommends just a universal arm board (mdf) when mounting the pa-5000,no aluminum top plate.

https://s26.postimg.cc/daepcl7sp/IMG_2150.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/nkh4bud3t/IMG_2148.jpg

i promise no more pictures for at least a week!:lol:

[Jimbo]

Looks a beauty!

[Bigman80]

Cheers fellas for all the kind comments,im very pleased with it and i think i can safely say i wont be buying anymore turntables and arms now,im done!

But that doesn't stop me fiddling with it,oh no! i finished off another arm board last night to try,this is in panzerholz and i veneered it as being compressed in resin i dont think it wood take a stain very well.
it sounds good,maybe a tad more precise than the aluminum/mdf combo. strangely the manual for the arm recommends just a universal arm board (mdf) when mounting the pa-5000,no aluminum top plate.

https://s26.postimg.cc/daepcl7sp/IMG_2150.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/nkh4bud3t/IMG_2148.jpg

i promise no more pictures for at least a week![emoji38]Jamie, Panzerholz is my material of choice. Better than Ply, birch, aluminium etc. I didn't know how good it was until Angus built my SP10 MK2. your arm board looks great but i kinda miss the ally look [emoji848]

No, I'm wrong, the Panzerholz looks way better. Looks elegant. Great work mate. A top top TT with an equally as impressive arm.

[karma67]

its good stuff oli,i remember making one for my other pioneer tt,its a shame its so bloody expensive!

[Bigman80]

its good stuff oli,i remember making one for my other pioneer tt,its a shame its so bloody expensive!And hard to find too lol

[karma67]

mine arrived today,a long wait but worth it i think based on looks alone,ive yet to hear what it adds to the mix.
very well made and weighs a ton,the pioneer uses a loose bearing on a delrin pad so if the weight does become an issues its easily sorted.

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[Bigman80]

Looks fantastic, Jamie. Still to hear because you haven't tried it? Or because it's not abundantly clear yet?

[CageyH]

Probably because his T/T currently has no cartridge fitted? ;)

[Bigman80]

Probably because his T/T currently has no cartridge fitted? ;)[emoji23][emoji23] that could be it!

[alphaGT]

Beautiful work! Most impressive, you have a real talent! I’ve seen some ‘tables like this for sale elsewhere for a tidy sum, and yours is even better than stock.

Russell

[337alant]

Hope you don't mind me posting in your thread Jamie
Just received a Micro Seiki MA505 tone arm
I have been looking for a replacement arm for my SME 3009 mk2 but funds are tight at the moment due to a family wedding so noticed this one on Samari ebay for £280 so couldn't turn it down
Knocked up a new arm board out of alu plate
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1743/28807894048_be853e03f7_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KTDZfq)IMG_1808 (https://flic.kr/p/KTDZfq) by Alan Towell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/69508926@N05/), on Flickr

Great looking arm
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1735/42632444092_b83f26790d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/27Xhqkw)20180607_220738 (https://flic.kr/p/27Xhqkw) by Alan Towell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/69508926@N05/), on Flickr

Had to fit some extra stainless steel washers superglued together and 3 pieces of copper wire to decouple them from the arm.
Love the arm heat adjustment and locking clamp, also has a nice adjustment on the tracking force anti skating and azimuth
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1730/27812360317_77a382cdb9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JnFBKK)20180607_220707 (https://flic.kr/p/JnFBKK) by Alan Towell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/69508926@N05/), on Flickr

Fitted the denon 103R and its sounding superb, I am really pleased with it much better across the frequency range than the SME which was good in the mids but no so great at the bass and treble
The MA505 sounds transparent and solid as a rock, great treble detail and good bass, mids are as good as the SME 3009
Overall Im buzziing great arm and bargain price for sound quality

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1734/42632446682_a9df838eed_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/27Xhr7b)20180607_220656 (https://flic.kr/p/27Xhr7b) by Alan Towell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/69508926@N05/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1735/42632444092_b83f26790d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/27Xhqkw)20180607_220738 (https://flic.kr/p/27Xhqkw) by Alan Towell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/69508926@N05/), on Flickr
Alan

[RobbieGong]

Lovely arm the Micro Seiki MA 505, love my MA 202 - Happy buzzing ! When it comes together, music sytem buzzing is the best buzzing !

I feel like a bl&&dy bumble Bee these days, thats how it has ya when it all comes together - bzzzzz lol :)

[Ian7633]

Looks magnificent Alan, beautifully engineered arm. I can only echo what Robert said bzzzzzz…..

[Bigman80]

A very nice looking arm and no surprise it's better than the SME. Really suits the TT.

[Jimbo]

Great work Alan and a beautiful looking turntable, now even more so with the MA505. If I am up your way I will be knocking on your door for a listen!

[karma67]

great looking arm alan,theres something about those jap arms that set the tt off.
have you thought about a tenuto mat?

[phonomac]

Mark 1 Tenuto available here if anybody's interested.

Angus

[Ian7633]

Mark 1 Tenuto available here if anybody's interested.

Angus

You have a PM

[337alant]

great looking arm alan,theres something about those jap arms that set the tt off.
have you thought about a tenuto mat?

Thanks Jamie
Does the tenuto mat make a difference ?

Alan

[karma67]

i thought so yes,the pioneers standard mat however is very good i think, so i didnt get a huge sonic upgrade.
to me the difference was a tightening up of the top end,some more detail also came through due to the sheer weight and damping of the mat.

[phonomac]

Mark 1 Tenuto still available

Angus

[karma67]

youd get more people see if you started a for sale thread in the proper section.

[337alant]

Jamie
Did you already try damping your platter with the dynamat as I thought that has a similar effect as the original platter rings a bit
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?33695-Pioneer-PLC-590&highlight=pioneer+plc590

Alan

[karma67]

i was put off using that as i did my old AR turntable with it and although i did indeed notice a difference months later i found the bearing had some play in it,im sure the 2 are not conected,ie the dynamat throwing the platter out of balance,but since then its put me off.

if your concidering the tenuto mat my advice would be go for a new one,they hold there value second hand and the old ones are 3mm,new are 5mm which means for a few more quid its a no brainer.

[337alant]

Jamie
Thanks for the tip I will look into that

Alan

[karma67]

some good news,my PA-5000 tonearm is on its way back from phonomac after having a full strip down,rewire and bearing upgrade,pics to follow,i cant wait to set it up! :cool:

[Bigman80]

some good news,my PA-5000 tonearm is on its way back from phonomac after having a full strip down,rewire and bearing upgrade,pics to follow,i cant wait to set it up! :cool:Good news mate, looking forward to your review of it! Be interested to see how it fares with the PMAT1010!

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[karma67]

yep,the timing is great,the PMAT-1010 mk6 ,if testing goes well should be available later this month,so i have time to get used to the PA again.:cool:

[Bigman80]

yep,the timing is great,the PMAT-1010 mk6 ,if testing goes well should be available later this month,so i have time to get used to the PA again.:cool:Exciting times mate. The right arm makes all the difference. I know Angus spoke well on the Pioneer arm so i expect you to like it. The PMAT is a great arm though so I am really following this closely.

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[karma67]

My Pioneer PA-5000 tonearm had been with Angus having some work done,it returned this week and yesterday i fitted it,i been listening to it today since 6am,its now 1.39pm so what does that tell you! :D

The arm was sent to Angus for a re wire and check up originally but after chatting it was decided whilst he had it to completely strip it down and rebuild it.
Angus has worked his magic and fitted a ceramic hybrid main lateral bearing with tighter tolerances,the others were still in good shape and were left,the pivot pins for these were re-surfaced and polished.
The arm tube was damped internally and re-wired using KAB Superflex, (the one that's like a wet noodle!) it was then reassembled and the bearings were given their final adjustment.
A lovely machined sub weight was also added to the list of jobs,the PA-5000 originally came with one to allow heavier cartridges to be used.

Whilst fitting the cartridge (ART-7) i was very impressed with the free play,with the arm balanced only the lightest of breath was needed to send the arm moving across the platter,similarly vertical movement was also miles better than before.

Angus also supplied an arc protractor using Uni-din geometry,ive not tried this before,ive always used Loëfgren A or Baerwald as its commonly known.
Alignment was very simple,get the cartridge square in the headshell and the stylus to follow the arc line and job done!

https://i.postimg.cc/rmNpRhB2/IMG-2660.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/8ChpxKPf/IMG-2668.jpg

Sub weight fitted,you cant tell from the photo but theres a lovely machined pin that locks the main weight to the sub weight.

https://i.postimg.cc/4ynT4BZ5/IMG-2670.jpg

So as i said ive been listening to vinyl for nearly 9hrs,the tonearm for all the work thats been done has moved up a level,its greatly improved over the standard example,i suspect it will improve more as things bed in.

it sounds divine!,Im not one for using words like inky black or micro detail blah blah blah suffice to say on complex jazz i can follow all the instruments with ease,nothing sounds harsh or bloated,it just sounds 'right' iam very very happy with this tonearm!
Many thanks Angus for all your hard work :cool:
some more photos...

https://i.postimg.cc/ncjt6R3V/IMG-2677.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Qtx2S0B3/IMG-2678.jpg

[walpurgis]

Looks very nice mate.

[Bigman80]

The man is the maestro as far as tonearms are concerned. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Guru.

Really nice looking arm and I am really pleased it's doing the job for you. I heard from Angus about his PMAT-1010 MK6 and I am very excited to hear that. I know you have one in the pipeline so a comparison of the two will be a great read, I'm sure.

Enjoy it mate and congratulations

[RobbieGong]

Sweet Jamie,

Been 'hi-fi-ing' with Angus for years - love his work, knowledge and guidance. He's defo a key part in optimising your componentry towards getting the best out of your system,

wouldnt be where it is without him.

That tonearm is a real looker, importantly it'll really shine sonically now it's had the PhonoMac treatment - enjoy :)

[karma67]

Cheers fellas,next up is to get the Sony up and running

[Bigman80]

Cheers fellas,next up is to get the Sony up and runningThat's the one mate. Exciting times!!

[Primare]

My Pioneer PA-5000 tonearm had been with Angus having some work done,it returned this week and yesterday i fitted it,i been listening to it today since 6am,its now 1.39pm so what does that tell you! :D

The arm was sent to Angus for a re wire and check up originally but after chatting it was decided whilst he had it to completely strip it down and rebuild it.
Angus has worked his magic and fitted a ceramic hybrid main lateral bearing with tighter tolerances,the others were still in good shape and were left,the pivot pins for these were re-surfaced and polished.
The arm tube was damped internally and re-wired using KAB Superflex, (the one that's like a wet noodle!) it was then reassembled and the bearings were given their final adjustment.
A lovely machined sub weight was also added to the list of jobs,the PA-5000 originally came with one to allow heavier cartridges to be used.

Whilst fitting the cartridge (ART-7) i was very impressed with the free play,with the arm balanced only the lightest of breath was needed to send the arm moving across the platter,similarly vertical movement was also miles better than before.

Angus also supplied an arc protractor using Uni-din geometry,ive not tried this before,ive always used Loëfgren A or Baerwald as its commonly known.
Alignment was very simple,get the cartridge square in the headshell and the stylus to follow the arc line and job done!

https://i.postimg.cc/rmNpRhB2/IMG-2660.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/8ChpxKPf/IMG-2668.jpg

Sub weight fitted,you cant tell from the photo but theres a lovely machined pin that locks the main weight to the sub weight.

https://i.postimg.cc/4ynT4BZ5/IMG-2670.jpg

So as i said ive been listening to vinyl for nearly 9hrs,the tonearm for all the work thats been done has moved up a level,its greatly improved over the standard example,i suspect it will improve more as things bed in.

it sounds divine!,Im not one for using words like inky black or micro detail blah blah blah suffice to say on complex jazz i can follow all the instruments with ease,nothing sounds harsh or bloated,it just sounds 'right' iam very very happy with this tonearm!
Many thanks Angus for all your hard work :cool:
some more photos...

https://i.postimg.cc/ncjt6R3V/IMG-2677.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Qtx2S0B3/IMG-2678.jpg

Great commitment Jamie! And nice photos too. Yours PLC looks gorgeous!
BR,
Ivo

[Primare]

I couldn’t resist to post mine with PA-1000 arm:) . Hope you don’t mind. Have been waiting too long for this TT.

http://i.imgur.com/FIFJEdi.jpg

[karma67]

Not at all mate,the more of these turntables the better :)

[Beobloke]

I couldn’t resist to post mine with PA-1000 arm:) . Hope you don’t mind. Have been waiting too long for this TT.

http://i.imgur.com/FIFJEdi.jpg

Very pretty - I like the P-D1 too!

[Ian7633]

Any mods around to deal with all this pornography :D

[337alant]

Very nice indeed, the pioneer arm looks good as well I was toying with buying one of those arms as well :eyebrows:

Alan

[Hifidog]

Cheers fellas for all the kind comments,im very pleased with it and i think i can safely say i wont be buying anymore turntables and arms now,im done!

But that doesn't stop me fiddling with it,oh no! i finished off another arm board last night to try,this is in panzerholz and i veneered it as being compressed in resin i dont think it wood take a stain very well.
it sounds good,maybe a tad more precise than the aluminum/mdf combo. strangely the manual for the arm recommends just a universal arm board (mdf) when mounting the pa-5000,no aluminum top plate.

https://s26.postimg.cc/daepcl7sp/IMG_2150.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/nkh4bud3t/IMG_2148.jpg

i promise no more pictures for at least a week!:lol:

I have just bought a pa 5000 for my 590 to replace the infinity black widow (FS btw). Did you get a template or did you have suitable armboard to copy from? My infinity is mounted via the SME aluminium board.

[karma67]

No I made it myself from the arm mounting distance of 236mm

[Hifidog]

I've just picked up a pa 5000 for my old 590. As your armboard already cut for the arm. I have an SME and blank MDF board. Can't wait to get this mounted.

[Barry]

Very pretty - I like the P-D1 too!

What is the advantage of having a vertical disc-reading mechanism?

[Hifidog]

Could you share Angus's contact details with me as I would him to give my PA5000 the same treatment. I really need the sub weight too as I'm tracking too high and have a few carts I wish to use.

[RobbieGong]

Could you share Angus's contact details with me as I would him to give my PA5000 the same treatment. I really need the sub weight too as I'm tracking too high and have a few carts I wish to use.

pm sent Martin

[Beobloke]

What is the advantage of having a vertical disc-reading mechanism?

It stops dust falling onto the laser?!

[karma67]

i thought id take the old girl out for a spin,not bad at all!
https://i.postimg.cc/853ttt0N/IMG-2945-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf27dGgq/IMG-2944-1.jpg

[Jimbo]

What differences do you find between the Pioneer and Sony. I would be interested in your appraisal of both Jamie. Please direct me elsewhere if you have already written this up.:)

[karma67]

i think the main difference at the time of the swap over jimbo was the arm,the at-1010 is better suited to the art-7 than the pioneer,for all the pioneers heft its actually a low mass arm.
now im using the at-1010 on the pioneer its not blatant to me which TT is better,it may get clearer when i switch back to the sony.
for now im happy to enjoy and get use to again the pioneer.

[Jimbo]

Nice to have two great turntables. Maybe one day you may get to hear a great belter?:)

[antonio]

I was interested to hear how the AT arm was on the Pioneer. Looks good on the Pioneer as well.