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Gazjam
17-01-2018, 19:37
Must be expensive...right?

Nope.
Under 10 Dollars.
https://downloads.monoprice.com/files/images/Ultra_Slim_Active_HDMI_05.png

Spending more time nowadays on American high end forums and its always interesting to see what trends those guys go with regarding equipment and cables.
Recently upgraded my Moviewatching to 4K, so changes in player, TV, disks and cabling: and as always trying to get best bang for buck.

In American AV forums, this cable company kept coming up...
Monoprice.

A bit of a Cash n Carry for electronics products in that they do most stuff, but their HDMI cables kept coming up in high end forum discussion.
Nowadays cant be faffed with sidegrading and the whole hifi kit "ratrace" so trying to put into effect Kit that I'd be happy livng with and not wanting to change.
Spend so much over the years with that, no more.
Point of all that was I was willing to spend money on cables to GET IT RIGHT...so I could forget about it and move on.

But still..these Monoproce cables kept coming up in discussion.
Only needed 2 cables in my setup, and short length was ok, so willing to push the boat out pricewise.
Had Mark grant HDMIs with my 1080P setup and was more than happy, so that was my baseline.

Took a 30 day trial on a Wireworld Platinum HDMI as I'd read great things about it.
Also read the Monoprice cable was a "Giant Killer"...but how many times have we all read THAT? :rolleyes:

Direct comparison..the ten buck cable was better.
4K 60FPS 4:4:4 HDR 10 rock solid on all sources.
Immediately ordered 2 and called it done.

Google "Redmere Technology"..in fact I'll save you the bother. :)
https://hometheaterhifi.com/q-a/what-is-redmere-technology/

Monoprice bought these guys over and incorporated a revised version of it in their 18Gbps HDMI cables, and shitting crikey it makes all the difference.
AV cabling...Done. :thumbsup:

Oh,
this was the cable sorry!
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590

Notice the markings on the plugs at the end...Source and TV?
Directional HDMI cables...What sorcery is this!

Gazjam
17-01-2018, 22:58
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?56241-Strong-STRONG-reccommendation-for-this-HDMI-cable-genuine-Stepchange-better

struth
17-01-2018, 23:24
If I get any new ones I might get those. Look good

Gazjam
17-01-2018, 23:28
If I get any new ones I might get those. Look good

Naa..
Buy them now, they are better that what you have Grant and not expensive at all.

struth
17-01-2018, 23:36
Ok I will save up and get a few. Cheers

The Black Adder
18-01-2018, 10:06
Where did you buy them from? I can't find anywhere in the UK that sell them. Is it a US amazon thing?

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struth
18-01-2018, 10:29
Where did you buy them from? I can't find anywhere in the UK that sell them. Is it a US amazon thing?

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think its from the makers jo.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590&AID=11051853&PID=3924300&ref=cj&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=11051853&utm_term=Skimlinks-2617611

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 10:45
think its from the makers jo.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590&AID=11051853&PID=3924300&ref=cj&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=11051853&utm_term=Skimlinks-2617611

Yup,
bought direct from Monoprice in the States.
Best bang for buck Ive ever seen with a cable of any type.

struth
18-01-2018, 10:46
actually you can get some from amazon.con too.....just bought one

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 10:47
actually you can get some from amazon.con too.....just bought one

cool.

struth
18-01-2018, 10:49
cool.

the boy bought one for me lol

brian2957
18-01-2018, 11:36
got a link Grant ?

struth
18-01-2018, 11:40
got a link Grant ?

sure brian....

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014ROOB9U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

there are others

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 11:57
£30 though...

$8.99 from Monoprice direct?

struth
18-01-2018, 12:00
one i got was 15 dollars plus import total 20 quid

brian2957
18-01-2018, 12:05
Thanks Grant .

struth
18-01-2018, 12:07
they have upped the price on amazon us and redirected to the uk site :lol: must have spotted the error in their pricing


Grand Total:
GBP 20.65
was mine. wont come til 1st feb tho

brian2957
18-01-2018, 12:12
£30 though...

$8.99 from Monoprice direct?

Got a link mate .

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 12:17
Here you go...

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590&AID=11051853&PID=3924300&ref=cj&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=11051853&utm_term=Skimlinks-2617611 (https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590&AID=11051853&PID=3924300&ref=cj&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=11051853&utm_term=Skimlinks-2617611)

struth
18-01-2018, 12:38
Here you go...

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590&AID=11051853&PID=3924300&ref=cj&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=11051853&utm_term=Skimlinks-2617611 (https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590&AID=11051853&PID=3924300&ref=cj&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=11051853&utm_term=Skimlinks-2617611)

i got a postage rate of 40$ for 1 cable with then so i went elsewhere

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 12:46
i got a postage rate of 40$ for 1 cable with then so i went elsewhere

Crikey...

I didn't pay that, weird.

struth
18-01-2018, 12:52
20 quid all in isnt too bad if its a good cable. really only need one at moment. not sure how im gonna fit it lol. telly shelf is a wobbly thing

brian2957
18-01-2018, 13:01
I'm getting $44 for delivery on mine .

Covenant
18-01-2018, 17:29
Available in the UK Gaz or did you pay to have it imported?

sq225917
18-01-2018, 17:37
All their cables are great and fully certified

Sherwood
18-01-2018, 17:42
Amazon UK sell having been selling their own brand Redmere cables for some time.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasics-High-Speed-Cable-RedMere/dp/B01JH71NLQ/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1516297057&sr=1-6&keywords=high+speed+hdmi+cable+redmere

Geoff

struth
18-01-2018, 17:42
Can be had from Amazon

Covenant
18-01-2018, 18:03
Thanks chaps but Gaz was specific about the Monoprice one. Not that I know diddly squat about Redmere technology.....

Dawg
18-01-2018, 18:04
Notice the markings on the plugs at the end...Source and TV?
Directional HDMI cables...What sorcery is this!

Just in case anyone does think its witchcraft, the chip is built into the TV end, thats why its bigger and it needs connecting that way round.

struth
18-01-2018, 18:09
Thanks chaps but Gaz was specific about the Monoprice one. Not that I know diddly squat about Redmere technology.....

I meant u can get them monoprice from Amazon U.K. And USA

struth
18-01-2018, 18:10
Notice the markings on the plugs at the end...Source and TV?
Directional HDMI cables...What sorcery is this!

Just in case anyone does think its witchcraft, the chip is built into the TV end, thats why its bigger and it needs connecting that way round.

These ones are active. Whatever that means lol. Got a set coming

Dawg
18-01-2018, 18:11
These ones are active. Whatever that means lol. Got a set coming

Lol, it means they have a chip thats powered doing clever stuff at the tv end.

struth
18-01-2018, 18:18
Duumo but they are called active on them

Sherwood
18-01-2018, 18:30
The performance is down to the Redmere technology and Monoprice are only one of several manufacturers using it.

I am sure the Monoprice cables are as good as the Amazon ones but the shipping and import charges make them poor value for money.

I can recommend the Amazon cables which are well made and perform well.

Geoff

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 18:45
Notice the markings on the plugs at the end...Source and TV?
Directional HDMI cables...What sorcery is this!

Just in case anyone does think its witchcraft, the chip is built into the TV end, thats why its bigger and it needs connecting that way round.

Well...DUH. :)

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 18:47
The performance is down to the Redmere technology and Monoprice are only one of several manufacturers using it.

I am sure the Monoprice cables are as good as the Amazon ones but the shipping and import charges make them poor value for money.

I can recommend the Amazon cables which are well made and perform well.

Geoff

In the context of being better than £500 Wireworld HDMI cables, to me, in my system...I disagree with your take on them being poor value for money.
Sorry Geoff.
Monoprice are the cheapest vendor by the way.

Sherwood
18-01-2018, 18:52
In the context of being better than £500 Wireworld HDMI cables, to me, in my system...I disagree with your take on them being poor value for money.
Sorry Geoff.
Monoprice are the cheapest vendor by the way.

True only if buying in the US or Canada. Look at the UK shipping costs!

Gazjam
18-01-2018, 19:06
Couldn't find anyone in the UK that stocks them unfortunately.
Never got stung for postage the way you guys are.

Monoprice has a UK outfit, but no HDMI cables.
https://www.monoprice.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3vH2ipri2AIVy7ftCh0IFAZrEAAYASA AEgI5xPD_BwE

Be good if there was a UK stockist, but alas no. (least that I could find!)

Can only speak to the Monoprice ones, as those were the ones reccommended on American AV forums and the only one I've tried.
To me its as good an HDMI as you'll ever need, it bettered a Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 with my new AV setup.

Was prepared to buy one, but the Monoproce was better.
I say suck up the postage and get one. :)

struth
18-01-2018, 19:07
Getting mine from Amazon us for total of £20 delivered. More than I would usually spend but hey ho

Covenant
18-01-2018, 19:21
It looks to me like the long lengths of the Amazon basic HDMI cable has the Redmere gubbins and the shorter lengths don't. If you switch between the various cables the word Redmere disappears. I think they probably don't put it in the shorter cables cos it is not required...

Sherwood
18-01-2018, 19:54
It looks to me like the long lengths of the Amazon basic HDMI cable has the Redmere gubbins and the shorter lengths don't. If you switch between the various cables the word Redmere disappears. I think they probably don't put it in the shorter cables cos it is not required...

Probably, but my Amazon HDMI cable is a 4.5m Redmere rated at 18gb. Cost £7.99 delivery included. Works really well with my 32" AOC 4k PC monitor at 60Hz refresh.

True the Monoprice costs only $8 but shipping is 5 times the purchase price.

Geoff

Covenant
19-01-2018, 08:55
I think I will sit on the sidelines for this one. It seems to me that the Redmere technology is great for long cables but if you have three foot hdmi cables between AV amp and telly like me, then its not going to make a huge difference.
I will wait for a few more comments on here when you have fitted them.

The Black Adder
19-01-2018, 10:22
I've just got suppiled cheapo ones... But I only need two of 1m or there abouts. Would there be any point I wonder?

I can't find any of 1m, they are all 14ft and whatnot.

Sherwood
19-01-2018, 11:47
I've just got suppiled cheapo ones... But I only need two of 1m or there abouts. Would there be any point I wonder?

I can't find any of 1m, they are all 14ft and whatnot.

http://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-thin-wire-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3012.html

The Black Adder
19-01-2018, 12:09
Ah.. cool.

Ta :)

Gazjam
19-01-2018, 12:24
http://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-thin-wire-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3012.html

good find. :thumbsup:

Sherwood
19-01-2018, 12:36
good find. :thumbsup:

You're welcome. They do an even cheaper High Speed HDMI Cable using ultra thin cabling which may be a solution for those with wall mounted tvs with little cable clearance. Not sure that it has the Redmere chip but the specs would suggest so.

http://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-ultra-slim-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3003.html

Geoff

PS> It is not Redmere, it is a passive cable but the specs look good.

Marco
20-01-2018, 15:32
http://www.cabledepot.co.uk/1m-thin-wire-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3012.html

Hi Geoff,

Are those essentially the same (all but in name) as the Monoprice ones Gaz originally linked to? :)

Marco.

Marco
20-01-2018, 15:37
Gaz, it's sound/sensible recommendations like this, about these cables (and your outlook below), which make you a credit to AoS!


Nowadays cant be faffed with sidegrading and the whole hifi kit "ratrace" so trying to put into effect Kit that I'd be happy livng with and not wanting to change. Spend so much over the years with that, no more.


...some folk discover it early, some late, and some never.... ;)

Marco.

Sherwood
20-01-2018, 16:05
Hi Geoff,

Are those essentially the same (all but in name) as the Monoprice ones Gaz originally linked to? :)

Marco.

I believe so. At least the first one. I think they are worth considering even for short runs as the cables are really thin and flexible. In fact on my Amazon 4.5m Redmere I cannot really believe that they can fit 19 strands into the cable. Redmere has been around for yonks and I think its merits are proven. The thing to look out for is the bigger plug at the monitor end to accommodate the Redmere chip, and the specs, 18gbps through HDMI2.0.

Geoff

Marco
22-01-2018, 13:31
Cheers, mate. I'll check it out :thumbsup:

Marco.

montesquieu
22-01-2018, 22:32
Any of this apply to USB cables? I need long ones.

Don't have HDMI cos I don't have a TV or any video-related stuff.

struth
22-01-2018, 22:38
If u go over 5 metres then get a repeater cable. I use a 10 metre one and it works great

struth
27-01-2018, 16:20
Mine from Amazon USA. (Monoprice active hdmi) came. Installed and think its a deffo improvement. Have file of battleship via Amazon prime is very nice as is the audio extracted from the hdmi and bluetoothed to my Dac and headphones.

£20 all in so not disastrous

Covenant
28-01-2018, 12:14
Despite saying I would wait, the £10 Redmere cable from Cabledepot was too much of a temptation and I bought one.
I normally use the tuner inside my TV but if I need to record I switch to the Talktalk set top box. The picture was decidedly inferior when the set top box was used but the Redmere cable makes a considerable difference on HD.
A surprising and good result. Well done to Gaz and Geoff.

Sherwood
28-01-2018, 12:18
Despite saying I would wait, the £10 Redmere cable from Cabledepot was too much of a temptation and I bought one.
I normally use the tuner inside my TV but if I need to record I switch to the Talktalk set top box. The picture was decidedly inferior when the set top box was used but the Redmere cable makes a considerable difference on HD.
A surprising and good result. Well done to Gaz and Geoff.

Redmere clearly improves on HD performance. However, I think the biggest difference for me was with HDR performance. Colours were better differentiated.

Geoiff

WAD62
09-02-2018, 09:01
Redmere clearly improves on HD performance. However, I think the biggest difference for me was with HDR performance. Colours were better differentiated.

Geoiff

Hi Geoff, have you had it running with 4K HDR?

Sherwood
09-02-2018, 09:27
Hi Geoff, have you had it running with 4K HDR?

I am using mine with a 32" 4k AOC pc monitor and the performance is excellent. I do a lot of writing and spreadsheet work. On this monitor I can have 3 a4 pages side by side even larger than the original a4 pages, or an a4 page side by side with a large spreadsheet. Even though the fonts are tiny, they are so clear. The new cable has added clarity to the mix.

I haven't yet switched to a 4k tv, but my friend bought one of these cables for his 55" 4k tv. Big overall improvement with better colour saturation.

Geoff

Geoff

dowser
10-02-2018, 13:34
I run an old Panasonic 50” plasma - with rpi2 OSMC/Kodi as a source high quality HD media sometimes gave red dots on any input except the first (and even then during busy scenes they sometimes appeared over the blacks) - I ordered 2 redmere cables off Aliexpress at US$10 each delivered on the back of this thread. Thanks - problem solved for Kodi :)

Gazjam
10-02-2018, 17:33
Great to see others getting the benefit from these cables.
Happy 'bout dat. :thumbsup:

WAD62
11-02-2018, 18:41
Mine from Amazon USA. (Monoprice active hdmi) came. Installed and think its a deffo improvement. Have file of battleship via Amazon prime is very nice as is the audio extracted from the hdmi and bluetoothed to my Dac and headphones.

£20 all in so not disastrous

Bought a couple from here, same shipping as 1...postage 8.72, import tax 6.45, and 7.50 per cable

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381465848809

The Black Adder
11-02-2018, 19:04
Somebody posted a UK site where you can buy them... Or did I dream it?

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Sherwood
11-02-2018, 19:11
C'est moi!

The Black Adder
11-02-2018, 19:12
Ah.. Lol. Where did it go? ... Or is Tapatalk playing up... Lol

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Marco
11-02-2018, 19:47
Here: https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/2m-thin-wire-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3013.html

They're *not* the same as the Monoprice ones though, Jo. I bought two, and did a comparison between those and some Monoprice ones, all used in the same application, and the latter are notably better.

This is currently the best place to get the Monoprice ones from: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RONTRK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=skim0x3274-20&smid=A4PPL3N7I3N7V&th=1

I'll be doing a write-up tomorrow on the subject! :)

Marco.

User211
11-02-2018, 20:07
Sold by Gizmo Dorks. A name so excellent a purchase is surely mandated

Ordered.

Sherwood
11-02-2018, 20:30
Ah.. Lol. Where did it go? ... Or is Tapatalk playing up... Lol

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Yes, I wondered that? Not the first time one of my posts has "disappeared".

Geoff

walpurgis
11-02-2018, 20:32
Yes, I wondered that? Not the first time one of my posts has "disappeared".

Geoff

Must be Tapatalk. Nobody's deletes posts at this end (unless there's misbehaviour :)).

cyclopse
11-02-2018, 20:37
Mine arrived a few days ago. Shouldnít be any import duty because the unit price is very low.

Out with the Silver Starlight 5 and the Monoprice replaces it. Definitely on a par with the Wireworld. I think contrast is better with the Monoprice and blacks are well blacker.

A sure bargain in the AV world.

Sherwood
11-02-2018, 20:42
Here: https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/2m-thin-wire-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3013.html

They're *not* the same as the Monoprice ones though, Jo. I bought two, and did a comparison between those and some Monoprice ones, all used in the same application, and the latter are notably better.

This is currently the best place to get the Monoprice ones from: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RONTRK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=skim0x3274-20&smid=A4PPL3N7I3N7V&th=1

I'll be doing a write-up tomorrow on the subject! :)

Marco.

I disagree. I am also surprised that this forum has just discovered Redmere as it has been around for more than a decade. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk3tjPbUojw

Redmere are to be credited with bringing the price down and making the tech more accessible. I bought one of the long Monoprice cables (5m) back in 2011/12 for a home theatre (projector) setup in Malawi. It was good but the UK one I bought recently is as good.

Geoff

The Black Adder
11-02-2018, 20:52
Ah, thanks, Geoff.

Hmm, I missed macro's reply. Sorry Marco.

Okay, both are red-thingie. I would have thought that they would be the same?

On another note... I am wondering if my olde telly circa 2007 would be able to use it... If so, would it make a difference?





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WAD62
11-02-2018, 21:03
This is currently the best place to get the Monoprice ones from: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RONTRK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=skim0x3274-20&smid=A4PPL3N7I3N7V&th=1
Marco.
Unfortunately they're out of stock! Hence ebay...looks like there's been an AOS rush! ;)

Marco
11-02-2018, 23:26
I disagree. I am also surprised that this forum has just discovered Redmere as it has been around for more than a decade. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk3tjPbUojw

Redmere are to be credited with bringing the price down and making the tech more accessible. I bought one of the long Monoprice cables (5m) back in 2011/12 for a home theatre (projector) setup in Malawi. It was good but the UK one I bought recently is as good.


Fair enough. You tell it as you see it. I see it differently, with the version available from Cable Depot causing images to look a little 'fuzzier' than the Monoprice, and with colours less 'solid' and well-defined [full review tomorrow on a separate thread].

Aside from that, I prefer the plugs used on the Monoprice and the fact that the cable used (or outer sheathing) is much thinner, thus making the overall HDMI lead even easier to hide.

I've only recently got into home-cinema, and bought a 4K flat-screen TV, and so would've had no reason until now to experiment with HDMI cables, hence why I'd not discovered the Redmere thing sooner.

Marco.

Marco
11-02-2018, 23:33
Unfortunately they're out of stock! Hence ebay...looks like there's been an AOS rush! ;)

Ah I see... For the moment then, the original link might be the best place to order from: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13590&AID=11051853&PID=3924300&ref=cj&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=11051853&utm_term=Skimlinks-2617611

Marco.

Sherwood
12-02-2018, 09:30
Fair enough. You tell it as you see it. I see it differently, with the version available from Cable Depot causing images to look a little 'fuzzier' than the Monoprice, and with colours less 'solid' and well-defined [full review tomorrow on a separate thread].

Aside from that, I prefer the plugs used on the Monoprice and the fact that the cable used (or outer sheathing) is much thinner, thus making the overall HDMI lead even easier to hide.

I've only recently got into home-cinema, and bought a 4K flat-screen TV, and so would've had no reason until now to experiment with HDMI cables, hence why I'd not discovered the Redmere thing sooner.

Marco.

I would send that cable back. You shouldn't have those problems even with a basic HDMI cable. I guess one of the downsides of the Redmere cables is that they are prone to damage precisely because the cables are so thin.

Geoff

Marco
12-02-2018, 11:07
Lol - it's not damaged in any way!

It works perfectly well (as does the other lead I bought from the Cable Depot), and is extremely effective. It's just not as effective, to my eyes, as the Monoprice one, which as outlined, simply does things a bit better. Had I not compared it with the Monoprice version, I'd have been delighted.

Bear in mind that I'm as fussy about optimizing the picture quality on my TV, as I am the sound I hear through my speakers (and that my eyesight is as good as my hearing acuity)!;)

Marco.

Gazjam
12-02-2018, 20:55
All cables arenít created equal...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg

Sherwood
12-02-2018, 21:29
All cables aren’t created equal...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg

True, but a lot of cables are made in the same factory and price has little to do with quality. Not convinced, check this out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHjkb1m7Y7s&t=1062s

Geoff

Gazjam
12-02-2018, 22:48
As in a ten quid cable (before HM Customs sinks its teeth in) beating a £500 one?
Your absolutely right!
(I’ve personally directly compared the two btw)

T’was being Ironical... :)

Monoprice do YouTube vids too...

hk3tjPbUojw

struth
12-02-2018, 23:16
As in a ten quid cable (before HM Customs sinks its teeth in) beating a £500 one?
Your absolutely right!
(I’ve personally directly compared the two btw)

T’was being Ironical... :)

Monoprice do YouTube vids too...
https://youtu.be/hk3tjPbUojw

Was a great find afaic and happy to have upgraded my pic for a few quid.

Sherwood
12-02-2018, 23:22
As in a ten quid cable (before HM Customs sinks its teeth in) beating a £500 one?
Your absolutely right!
(I’ve personally directly compared the two btw)

T’was being Ironical... :)

Monoprice do YouTube vids too...
https://youtu.be/hk3tjPbUojw

Yes, as I said, I bought one of the Monoprice Redmere cables around 6/7 years ago. You will see from that video there were selling (though not manufacturing) Redmere way back.

Geoff

Marco
12-02-2018, 23:29
Embedded yer YouTube video for you, Gaz :cool:

Marco.

Gazjam
13-02-2018, 00:01
Yes, as I said, I bought one of the Monoprice Redmere cables around 6/7 years ago. You will see from that video there were selling (though not manufacturing) Redmere way back.

Geoff

Cool.
As you said Geoff, price can (happily) have not a lot to do with quality, thats whats worth putting out there so we all can benefit!
Sometimes these things come up that are worth reminding folk about.

Redmere was an Irish company, who came up with the technology and licenced it to various companies, first being Radio Shack (Tandy) I think?

Like all cable manufactureres (and resellers)...all are not equal, despite selling technically the “same thing”.
https://dynamicmedia.zuza.com/zz/m/original_/4/b/4b925841-c2e4-4555-9c06-6e5399c0d035/Troyer2___Gallery.jpg

WAD62
13-02-2018, 13:43
Lol - it's not damaged in any way!

It works perfectly well (as does the other lead I bought from the Cable Depot), and is extremely effective. It's just not as effective, to my eyes, as the Monoprice one, which as outlined, simply does things a bit better. Had I not compared it with the Monoprice version, I'd have been delighted.

Bear in mind that I'm as fussy about optimizing the picture quality on my TV, as I am the sound I hear through my speakers (and that my eyesight is as good as my hearing acuity)!;)

Marco.

2 * 6' Monoprice active on way from US, and 1 * 6' active on way from cable depot...I'm looking forward to their arrival, as Blade Runner 2049 has just popped through the door...:eyebrows:

Simon_LDT
13-02-2018, 14:56
Inspired by this thread I've ordered 2 Monoprice cables, 1 for the AV and 1 for my Sky box. I'm assuming I only need 1 in the chain, going to the TV? Reason I ask is because I have an HDMI cable going from my Oppo's output into the surround sound processor, and then a cable from the processor to the TV. I'm aiming to replace the latter so that the Redmere chip is at the TV end.

Good that these are 4k supported too as it'll mean I already have cables in place for when I eventually upgrade to 4k.

Covenant
15-02-2018, 08:10
Here: https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/2m-thin-wire-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3013.html

They're *not* the same as the Monoprice ones though, Jo. I bought two, and did a comparison between those and some Monoprice ones, all used in the same application, and the latter are notably better.

This is currently the best place to get the Monoprice ones from: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RONTRK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=skim0x3274-20&smid=A4PPL3N7I3N7V&th=1

I'll be doing a write-up tomorrow on the subject! :)

Marco.

Did this happen? Can't find it if it did.

WAD62
15-02-2018, 11:32
Did this happen? Can't find it if it did.

...nor I...Marco!? ;)

Marco
15-02-2018, 16:23
Not had time yet, chaps, to type up my findings. Will do, as soon as I can.

I can say with some confidence though that, IMO, the Monoprice cables are the superior items, but there's not a massive amount in it - both are excellent, as both use Redmere technology, which is key to the superb performance that they offer :)

Marco.

WAD62
15-02-2018, 16:41
Not had time yet, chaps, to type up my findings. Will do, as soon as I can.

I can say with some confidence though that, IMO, the Monoprice cables are the superior items, but there's not a massive amount in it - both are excellent, as both use Redmere technology, which is key to the superb performance that they offer :)

Marco.

My cable depot active has arrived, it will not display any image from my blue ray player, probably due to it being set to 4:4:4, put the supplied one back in and no problem, back to 4K HDR...the labelling on the cable depot one has 'Ethernet', whereas the supplied panasonic one states '2.0'.

It may be faulty, I'll test it with a lower resolution source...

struth
15-02-2018, 16:43
actives have to go in right way round, just in case you didnt know. it should work any way otherwise. the ethernet is a misnomer as its never used.

WAD62
15-02-2018, 16:55
actives have to go in right way round, just in case you didnt know. it should work any way otherwise. the ethernet is a misnomer as its never used.

I know...cable can't support 4:4:4, so I'll use it with my laptop as it's light to carry around, bring on the monoprice...

P.S. It's working with my old DVD/720p combo upstairs

struth
15-02-2018, 17:07
4-4-4 is the lum, chroma mix ie 4k tv. did it say it was 4k viable on the site?

WAD62
15-02-2018, 17:21
4-4-4 is the lum, chroma mix ie 4k tv. did it say it was 4k viable on the site?
There was little info except high speed, active, and 18gb...anyway fingers crossed for the monoprice, both Marco and Gaz got 4.4.4 from theirs...

FYI my UB900 blue ray can be set to either 4k 4.4.4 10 bit, or 4k 4.2.0 8 bit, if it can't support 10 bit, and the supplied one can then it's off to the lap top bag with it ;)

Sherwood
15-02-2018, 17:49
My cable depot active has arrived, it will not display any image from my blue ray player, probably due to it being set to 4:4:4, put the supplied one back in and no problem, back to 4K HDR...the labelling on the cable depot one has 'Ethernet', whereas the supplied panasonic one states '2.0'.

It may be faulty, I'll test it with a lower resolution source...

I am sure that you know already, but have you double checked directionality. Even non Redmere cables can do 4k over short lengths.

Geoff

Sherwood
15-02-2018, 17:54
Just to add, Ethernet over HDMI cable are fully backwards compatible. See this:

https://www.mycablemart.com/help/hdmi_which_one.php

Geoff

WAD62
15-02-2018, 19:14
I am sure that you know already, but have you double checked directionality. Even non Redmere cables can do 4k over short lengths.

Geoff
As discussed on another thread you're not using yours with a 4K HDR TV, but with a lower res monitor...for 4k it needs to be at least 2.0a/b HDMI AFAIK

And yes I have grasped the concept of the 'TV' end of the cable...;)

Sherwood
15-02-2018, 19:19
As discussed on another thread you're not using yours with a 4K HDR TV, only with a lower res monitor...for 4k it needs to be at least 2.0a/b HDMI AFAIK

And yes I have grasped the concept of the 'TV' end of the cable...;)

Yes I am using it with a monitor. As I said previously, a 4k monitor @60 fps in full 4k resolution.

If you are having problems I would send it back It may be a bad batch.

Geoff

Sherwood
15-02-2018, 19:26
actives have to go in right way round, just in case you didnt know. it should work any way otherwise. the ethernet is a misnomer as its never used.

Ethernet over HDMI is used on devices that support it. For example, if you have a suitably equipped bluray player and smart tv supporting Ethernet over HDMI, both can access an ethernet connection plugged into either one. This can save a lot of unnecessary cabling.e
Geoff

struth
15-02-2018, 19:28
yup but almost nobody uses it. or are likely to

WAD62
15-02-2018, 19:31
Yes I am using it with a monitor. As I said previously, a 4k monitor @60 fps in full 4k resolution.

If you are having problems I would send it back It may be a bad batch.

Geoff

OK Geoff 4k point noted, it may be that I've set my blue ray at 4k 4:4:4 10 bit, as opposed to 4k 4:2:0 8 bit, unfortunately it's not an 'auto' setting...we'll see if the monoprice version has the same issue...the supplied HDMI is still the winner at the moment :)

Sherwood
15-02-2018, 19:34
As discussed on another thread you're not using yours with a 4K HDR TV, but with a lower res monitor...for 4k it needs to be at least 2.0a/b HDMI AFAIK

And yes I have grasped the concept of the 'TV' end of the cable...;)

Just to add, HDMI 2.0 is still pretty new (2013 I think) and not found al all devices. However, even HDMI 1.4 introduced nearly 10 years ago will support 4k (and higher resolutions) though admittedly only @30 fps at 4k.

Geoff

Sherwood
15-02-2018, 19:35
OK Geoff 4k point noted, it may be that I've set my blue ray at 4k 4:4:4 10 bit, as opposed to 4k 4:2:0 8 bit, unfortunately it's not an 'auto' setting...we'll see if the monoprice version has the same issue...the supplied HDMI is still the winner at the moment :)

Not sure that this should affect the functionality of the cable though?

Geoff

WAD62
15-02-2018, 19:51
Just to add, HDMI 2.0 is still pretty new (2013 I think) and not found al all devices. However, even HDMI 1.4 introduced nearly 10 years ago will support 4k (and higher resolutions) though admittedly only @30 fps at 4k.

Geoff

It needs to support 4K/60/HDR, which the supplied cable supports, otherwise it's a downgrade, we'll see if the monoprice one can compete when it arrives...:)

Sherwood
15-02-2018, 20:36
yup but almost nobody uses it. or are likely to

Maybe not on this forum, but not so on AV forums. I remember how USB 3.0 took a long time to be adopted. I had USB 3.0 hard drives for ages before I sourced a notebook with USB 3.0 ports.

Geoff

Marco
20-02-2018, 21:52
It needs to support 4K/60/HDR, which the supplied cable supports, otherwise it's a downgrade, we'll see if the monoprice one can compete when it arrives...:)

Any news on this then, Will? :)

Marco.

WAD62
20-02-2018, 22:10
Any news on this then, Will? :)

Marco.

Hi Marco, still awaiting delivery, apparently in the UK now so hopefully will arrive shortly...although they seem to have been through a rather messy distribution system. ;)

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Marco
20-02-2018, 22:45
Oh no, it looks like they've used the 'Global Shipping Programme' (common on ebay because it's cheap), to send your cables, and I've had some dreadful experiences with that, including items I've paid for being lost forever!

Stuff goes halfway around the world and back (hence the documented 'tour of Philleas Fogg'), and then simply get lost. I hope that doesn't happen with you... I now refuse to deal with sellers who ship with GSP, or pay extra for them to use a more reliable courier.

Fingers crossed your cables arrive safely and on time!

Marco.

struth
21-02-2018, 00:36
Amazon USA send them with their own system and always come quick and clean for future

WAD62
21-02-2018, 08:46
Oh no, it looks like they've used the 'Global Shipping Programme' (common on ebay), to send your cables (because it's cheap), and I've had some dreadful experiences with that, including items I've paid for being lost forever!

Stuff goes halfway around the world and back (hence the documented 'tour of Philleas Fogg'), and then simply get lost. I hope that doesn't happen with you... I now refuse to deal with sellers who ship with GSP, or pay extra for them to use a more reliable courier.

Fingers crossed your cables arrive safely and on time!

Marco.
Well they've had a scenic tour of Kentucky and Ohio already...fingers crossed indeed! ;)

I went with the ebay option as I couldn't find the 6' ones Gaz posted in his original column elsewhere, except the monoprice US store, and they wanted $45 for shipping.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381465848809

Phil Lawton
22-02-2018, 13:19
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?56241-Strong-STRONG-reccommendation-for-this-HDMI-cable-genuine-Stepchange-better

Thanks for the heads-up - mine arrived today.

Gazjam
23-02-2018, 20:19
How you getting on with it Phil?

WAD62
24-02-2018, 11:55
Well they've had a scenic tour of Kentucky and Ohio already...fingers crossed indeed! ;)

I went with the ebay option as I couldn't find the 6' ones Gaz posted in his original column elsewhere, except the monoprice US store, and they wanted $45 for shipping.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381465848809

OK cables have eventually arrived and I've just tested them out...(look to be geniune)

Kit used;

Panasonic TX-55CX802 (TV), Sky Q Box, Panasonic BDUB900 (Ultra Blu-Ray)

Currently using the supplied HDMI cables, with the sky box set at 4k 10bit, and the blu-ray set at 4K(50/60p) 4:4:4...both working well

Now with the active monoprice in place;

Sky Q to TV; Occasionally it seems to grab half an image, then loses it, I left it for about 15mins, still the same situation

Blu-Ray to TV; Initially encouraging, shows the menu (unlike the cable depot one), however tried a couple of 4k discs, no image. I then set the blu-ray down to 4:2:0, and it works. One thing to note it did seem to pass the players 'test' when setting it to 4:4:4 (as in 'can you see this image y or n), however the disc doesn't even show a menu at that setting.

So a 'stepchange' worse for me...

Marco
24-02-2018, 14:28
Very weird, Will... As both cables, the Monoprice and the Cable Depot version, work extremely well [delivering truly superb picture quality], and faultlessly, here in all my 4K applications!

So I've no idea what's going on in your set-up :scratch:

Marco.

WAD62
24-02-2018, 14:48
Very weird, Will... As both cables, the Monoprice and the Cable Depot version, work extremely well [delivering truly superb picture quality], and faultlessly, here in all my 4K applications!

So I've no idea what's going on in your set-up :scratch:

Marco.

...I'll try to watch 4k netflix via the UB90 at some point...

So I presume your sky Q is working at 10bit output with the cable?

Marco
24-02-2018, 14:51
Yup, Sky Q is set at 10-bit 2160p resolution, with Dolby Digital Plus (on the HDMI output), and all with zero issues, mate :)

Same with 4K HDR Blu-rays, and all UHD output on Sky (movies and sport)...

Marco.

WAD62
26-02-2018, 10:57
Yup, Sky Q is set at 10-bit 2160p resolution with Dolby Digital Plus (on the HDMI output), and all with zero issues, mate :)

Same with 4K HDR Blu-rays, and all UHD output on Sky (movies and sport)...

Marco.

Hi Marco,

I decided to get to the bottom of this, I initially restricted my tests to the sky Q box, as you have one working in 10bit 4K with this cable...

I set the Sky Q box down to 1080p, connected the monoprice, and then attempted to up the resolution to 10bit 4k, all I could get to was 8bit

So it had to be something about the Panasonic, I then turned off any 'Panasonic specific' features, Viera Link and Intelligent Frame Creation, and retried...bingo 10 bit 4K via the monoprice on my SkyQ box. I suspect 'Viera Link' was retaining some session parameters, or somesuch (perhaps an active cable issue?)... :eyebrows: Worth noting for other panasonic users...they're both back on and all is well on the sky Q front!

Flushed with success on to the UB900 blu-ray, with the settings off I successfully configured the UB900 to 4:4:4, and tried netflix (which I'd not tried before), and it gives me 4k/60/HDR, another success.

However I still couldn't get it to play 'Blue Planet II', or 'Blade Runner 4029', at 4:4:4 only at 4:2:0, why?

Both the blu-rays are 4K HDR with a 24p capabilty, my TV is 24p capable, and the UB900 is set to auto 24p, this would appear to have pushed the cable over the edge...turning 24p off gave me playback at 4:4:4 4k/60/HDR.

So the supplied panasonic is back in, however the supplied sky one is not...not a bad result in the end, I'll keep the other for my laptop :)

Marco
26-02-2018, 11:40
Interesting stuff, Will, and thanks for taking the time to investigate the issue and report back :)

Glad you got the Sky Q and Netflix aspect of things sorted. However, there must still be some other underlying (and as yet unresolved) issue with your Blu-ray player or TV, when trying to display the full content of 4K HDR discs, as the Monorprice cable in question is clearly capable of handling the signal, as evidenced in my own system.

Is your TV properly 4K HDR compatible, in the same way as your Blu-ray player?

I've found that in order to get HDR to work successfully, every item in the replay chain, from start to finish, must be properly HDR compatible, and therefore all components used should also be wired in such a way, in order to achieve that, so at no point in the chain there is a break in the HDR signal, otherwise it won't work.

One of the things I had to do, in order to resolve my recent issue (if you remember) with achieving full HDR replay, when playing 4K HDR Blu-rays, on my HDR compatible Sony player, was to take the signal from the player, via the (Monoprice) HDMI cable, directly to the TV (also HDR compatible), and route it through the system that way, instead of it being relayed via the BD/DVD input on my Sony home-cinema amp, which wasn't HDR compatible, and which was therefore strangling the HDR signal.

The improvement in picture quality that resulted in was significant, because as you know, genuine HDR is a different ball game altogether from HD! Anyway, I hope you can resolve the issue in your set up, as the Monoprice HDMI cable is superb and clearly capable of handling an HDR signal :cool:

Marco.

WAD62
26-02-2018, 12:16
Interesting stuff, Will, and thanks for taking the time to investigate the issue and report back :)

Glad you got the Sky Q and Netflix aspect of things sorted. However, there must still be some other underlying (and as yet unresolved) issue with your Blu-ray player or TV, when trying to display the full content of 4K HDR discs, as the Monorprice cable in question is clearly capable of handling the signal, as evidenced in my own system.

Is your TV properly 4K HDR compatible, in the same way as your Blu-ray player?

I've found that in order to get HDR to work successfully, every item in the replay chain, from start to finish, must be properly HDR compatible, and therefore all components used should also be wired in such a way, in order to achieve that, so at no point in the chain there is a break in the HDR signal, otherwise it won't work.

One of the things I had to do, in order to resolve my recent issue (if you remember) with achieving full HDR replay, when playing 4K HDR Blu-rays, on my HDR compatible Sony player, was to take the signal from the player, via the (Monoprice) HDMI cable, directly to the TV (also HDR compatible), and route it through the system that way, instead of it being relayed via the BD/DVD input on my Sony home-cinema amp, which wasn't HDR compatible, and which was therefore strangling the HDR signal.

The improvement in picture quality that resulted in was significant, because as you know, genuine HDR is a different ball game altogether from HD! Anyway, I hope you can resolve the issue in your set up, as the Monoprice HDMI cable is superb and clearly capable of handling an HDR signal :cool:

Marco.

As stated above both are HDR compatible...I've a feeling it's to do with the generated bandwidth between the UB900 and the TV, they're also both 12bit deep colour compatible, I'd suggest on blu-ray payback it maxing out the monoprice...

Again, the supplied cable, TV and blu-ray can support 4k/24fps/HDR 4:4:4 @ 12 bit deep colour...the monoprice can only play back with a compromise, albeit a small one...the supplied one looks excellent anyway

But looking excellent on the Sky box...:cool:

Out of interest do you have a 4k/24fps/HDR blu-ray to test on yours?

P.S. I started this thread about 4K HDR so am well aware of requirements, and benefits...;)

http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?56494-4k-HDR&p=942772#post942772

Marco
26-02-2018, 12:35
Okies... So what exactly does "12bit deep colour compatible" mean?

And, in your opinion, does my TV and Blu-ray player (shown below) qualify or not...

TV: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/xd8305-series

Blu-ray player: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/blu-ray-disc-players/ubp-x800

Please examine the spec of both items and let me know :)

Marco.

struth
26-02-2018, 12:40
HDMI 1.4 supports 8bit RGB, 8bit 4:4:4 YCbCr, and 12bit 4:2:2 YCbCr, all at 24-30 FPS
HDMI 2.0 supports RGB and 4:4:4 in all color depths (8bit-16bit) at 24-30 FPS
HDMI 2.0 only supports 8bit RGB and 8bit 4:4:4 at 60 FPS
All other color depths require Chroma Subsampling at 60 FPS in HDMI 2.0

Marco
26-02-2018, 13:10
HDMI 1.4 supports 8bit RGB, 8bit 4:4:4 YCbCr, and 12bit 4:2:2 YCbCr, all at 24-30 FPS
HDMI 2.0 supports RGB and 4:4:4 in all color depths (8bit-16bit) at 24-30 FPS
HDMI 2.0 only supports 8bit RGB and 8bit 4:4:4 at 60 FPS
All other color depths require Chroma Subsampling at 60 FPS in HDMI 2.0

Sorry, I've no idea what that means in reference to my question... :scratch:

Let me simply it: are my TV and Blu-ray player "12bit deep-colour compatible? Yes or no, and if not, why? :)

Marco.

WAD62
26-02-2018, 13:13
HDMI 1.4 supports 8bit RGB, 8bit 4:4:4 YCbCr, and 12bit 4:2:2 YCbCr, all at 24-30 FPS
HDMI 2.0 supports RGB and 4:4:4 in all color depths (8bit-16bit) at 24-30 FPS
HDMI 2.0 only supports 8bit RGB and 8bit 4:4:4 at 60 FPS
All other color depths require Chroma Subsampling at 60 FPS in HDMI 2.0

What's confusing me Grant is that using the monoprice I can play blu-rays at 4:4:4 (12 bit deep colour) /60/HDR, with 24fps set to off...when I activate 24p auto it doesn't work (the disk in question is planet earth II).

Hence my question to Marco R.E. 24fps blu-rays

Surely 24fps will be less bandwidth than 60fps, or am I missing something

WAD62
26-02-2018, 13:19
Sorry, I've no idea what that means in reference to my question... :scratch:

Let me simply it: are my TV and Blu-ray player "12bit deep-colour compatible? Yes or no, and if not, why? :)

Marco.

I think 'deep colour' is a panasonic term, the term seems to be 'Enhanced Vision' for Sony...

Again my issue was with playing at 24p, do you have a 24p blu-ray?

struth
26-02-2018, 13:29
I read somewhere where a playstation 3 was set up on deep colour as well as the bluray player. this caused the screen to blank out on some blurays including the pe2 one, when both are connected. turning off deep colour on the port for playstation somehow sorted this. not sure if its a copy protection glitch

WAD62
26-02-2018, 13:39
As stated several times the supplied cable is rock solid at the max settings, including 24p, I'm just trying to understand why the monoprice can handle 4:4:4 4k/60/HDR, but not 4:4:4 4k/24/HDR......


Yes, in *your* set up, Will. The same in any other (non-Panasonic) one is likely to be rather different, so don't automatically blame the cable! ;)

Marco.

Marco
26-02-2018, 13:39
I think 'deep colour' is a panasonic term, the term seems to be 'Enhanced Vision' for Sony...

Again my issue was with playing at 24p, do you have a 24p blu-ray?

Don't know. What's the 'p' value of a Blu-Ray disc marked as "4K HDR", such as is on my copy of Alien Covenant, which the Sony player and TV successfully reproduces in HDR, via the Monoprice HDMI cable in question.

I think you answered the matter in your earlier (now deleted) post - why you chose to delete it I don't know? :hmm:

As you said, it's likely to be a Panasonic thing. All I'm anxious to guard against is the Monoprice cable in question wrongly being seen as having issues with HDR, when I'm almost certain that's not the case :)

Marco.

struth
26-02-2018, 13:45
chroma settings could be an issue.

Marco
26-02-2018, 13:47
What's that when it's at home?

Marco.

WAD62
26-02-2018, 13:49
Don't know. What's the 'p' value of a Blu-Ray disc marked as "4K HDR", such as is on my copy of Alien Covenant, which the Sony player and TV successfully reproduces in HDR, via the Monoprice HDMI cable in question.

I think you answered the matter in your earlier (now deleted) post - why you chose to delete it I don't know? :hmm:

Marco.

I don't think I was far off the mark, but it seems to be more different marketing terms for the same thing, 4:4:4 12 bit etc. so pulled it to correct it...

With regard to 24p it depends on the disk in question, it's been around for a while, allegedly gives a more film like quality, there should be a setting in your player to activate it.

Both Planet Earth II, and Blue Planet II are filmed in 24p, if you press the 'i' button on your TV during playback you should see either 4K/24/HDR or 4K/60/HDR.

FWIW I think my UB900 chroma chip is doing something at 24p, hence issues with the monoprice at this setting

struth
26-02-2018, 13:54
What's that when it's at home?

Marco.

it upscales the chroma present rather than the luma. trouble with this tech is everyone is trying to do something different and thus you can get anomalies between techs of different companies. add to that, discs are not all the same either so can be a minefield

WAD62
26-02-2018, 14:48
it upscales the chroma present rather than the luma. trouble with this tech is everyone is trying to do something different and thus you can get anomalies between techs of different companies. add to that, discs are not all the same either so can be a minefield

I have some interesting screen shots detailing the disc and HDMI output formats, but can't seem to upload any images, just get an error at the end of 'file upload'

Basically, the 24p option is indeed being upscaled to 12 bit 4:4:4, from the original disc (planet earth II 4k HDR) which is 4:2:0, whereas when 24p is off the output is 4:2:2 12 bit...hence the added load at 24p

Thanks to Grant for some image assistance...:cool:

The monoprice works perfectly well at 4k/60hz/HDR (4:2:2);

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180227/4f663f92964fe781096a9899aaa8d62a.jpg

However when I activate 24p output;

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180227/e176f441953cd984bd63acf1fcbd4a69.jpg

The underlying deep colour upsampling is activated;

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180227/bddc8c28462922e53de4b1232ce0a0e6.jpg

I can't get the monoprice to work at this setting I.E. 4k/24hz/HDR (4:4:4);

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180227/476b5995aabc8b227834d9be8ad69015.jpg


(Photos added)

Marco
26-02-2018, 14:54
I don't think I was far off the mark, but it seems to be more different marketing terms for the same thing, 4:4:4 12 bit etc. so pulled it to correct it...

With regard to 24p it depends on the disk in question, it's been around for a while, allegedly gives a more film like quality, there should be a setting in your player to activate it.

Both Planet Earth II, and Blue Planet II are filmed in 24p, if you press the 'i' button on your TV during playback you should see either 4K/24/HDR or 4K/60/HDR.

FWIW I think my UB900 chroma chip is doing something at 24p, hence issues with the monoprice at this setting

No worries, Will. Like I said, I just think one should be clear that the issue you're experiencing is local to you (with your equipment) and not anything related to the Monoprice cable being 'unable to handle HDR', just in case anyone thinking of buying one for that purpose should be so concerned :)

In terms of the bit in bold above (using Blue Planet II as the test sample content), by clicking on the 'i' button, I get this message displayed: 'UHD, 3840x2160p'. However, this is with a BBC broadcast I downloaded from Sky, not a 4K HDR Blu-ray disc of the same content.

Marco.

WAD62
26-02-2018, 15:01
No worries, Will. Like I said, I just think one should be clear that the issue you're experiencing is local to you (with your equipment) and not anything related to the Monoprice cable being 'unable to handle HDR', just in case anyone thinking of buying one for that purpose should be so concerned :)

In terms of the bit in bold above (using Blue Planet II as the test sample content), by clicking on the 'i' button, I get this message displayed: 'UHD, 3840x2160p'. However, this is with a BBC broadcast I downloaded from Sky, not a 4K HDR Blu-ray disc of the same content.

Marco.

The monoprice cable can handle HDR!...it's only being challenged by the my UB900 upsampling 24hz content to 12bit 4:4:4, whereas it can handle the 4:2:2 being passed through at 60hz

FYI 24p/hz is a blu-ray thing, all TV will be 50/60hz...do you have any 4k blu-rays? Do yourself a favour and get Planet Earth II & Blue Planet II on blu-ray, much better than the 4k broadcast...

Phil Lawton
26-02-2018, 16:02
How you getting on with it Phil?

Very pleased - I haven't done an A/B comparison yet, but I watched the UHD of 'Blade Runner 2049' a couple of nights ago and the experience was mind-boggling.

Gazjam
26-02-2018, 17:48
:thumbsup:

Gazjam
26-02-2018, 17:58
The monoprice cable can handle HDR!...it's only being challenged by the my UB900 upsampling 24hz content to 12bit 4:4:4, whereas it can handle the 4:2:2 being passed through at 60hz

FYI 24p/hz is a blu-ray thing, all TV will be 50/60hz...do you have any 4k blu-rays? Do yourself a favour and get Planet Earth II & Blue Planet II on blu-ray, much better than the 4k broadcast...

No problem upsampling to 12 bit 4:4:4 here Will?

Still to pick up Planet Earth II yet, will at some point.
But yeah, Lots of 4K HDR content on Netflix and its brilliant, but not a patch to a UHD bluray of the same thing.
With the streamed stuff, more of a difference with HDR content than 4K vs 1080p I find.

WAD62
26-02-2018, 18:50
No problem upsampling to 12 bit 4:4:4 here Will?

Still to pick up Planet Earth II yet, will at some point.
But yeah, Lots of 4K HDR content on Netflix and its brilliant, but not a patch to a UHD bluray of the same thing.
With the streamed stuff, more of a difference with HDR content than 4K vs 1080p I find.

If you have Netflix, Black Mirror is worth a watch, excellent in HDR...:cool:

WAD62
26-02-2018, 19:05
Hi Grant, I'm trying to upload some pictures, I've cleared out my attachments but still can't upload, any suggestions?

struth
26-02-2018, 19:16
Was tempted to say it's because they are HDR 4.4.4 12 bit. Lol
If posting via site then u have to make an album then import them to that. Then you could post them

WAD62
26-02-2018, 19:23
Was tempted to say it's because they are HDR 4.4.4 12 bit. Lol
If posting via site then u have to make an album then import them to that. Then you could post them

Easy tiger...!!! ;)

I've previously used the attachment capability...how do I create an album etc.?

struth
26-02-2018, 19:26
There was a walk though somewhere I did. Been that long. I take it you want to post on site.
Will have a look for it

struth
26-02-2018, 19:47
Can't find it. Will look again when back at pc. Only on phone at moment. Think it starts in your settings or profile. You make an album then import pics to it from pc etc. Then you and add them from there to your posts

WAD62
26-02-2018, 19:58
Can't find it. Will look again when back at pc. Only on phone at moment. Think it starts in your settings or profile. You make an album then import pics to it from pc etc. Then you and add them from there to your posts

Created album, tried to upload, takes me to the same old 'attachment' page as before, with 3 orphan photos I can't see to delete...I'll leave it...

struth
26-02-2018, 21:14
http://theartofsound.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22821&d=1519679047

Just did an albu and uploaded this.

to delete you click on pic name, go to edit album, then follow text for delete. once album is made add pics by upload. there ay be a file size limit..not sure.

WAD62
26-02-2018, 21:30
to delete you click on pic name, go to edit album, then follow text for delete. once album is made add pics by upload. there ay be a file size limit..not sure.

Unfortunately I still get the 'upload failed' msg after 100%...

struth
26-02-2018, 21:35
odd. try emailing me the and i will pop them into your post

WAD62
27-02-2018, 13:51
odd. try emailing me the and i will pop them into your post

Cheers for uploading the photos Grant...:cool:

Marco
10-03-2018, 17:10
Guys, just in case any of you are interested, I've got two of these cables in 2m lengths now surplus to requirements. I'd be willing to let them go for £8 each delivered to any mainland UK address, so if you're interested PM me...

First come, first served, so hurry, hurry Mrs Murray! :cool:

Marco.

Bigman80
10-03-2018, 17:22
Guys, just in case any of you are interested, I've got two of these cables in 2m lengths now surplus to requirements. I'd be willing to let them go for £8 each delivered to any mainland UK address, so if you're interested PM me...

First come, first served, so hurry, hurry Mrs Murray! :cool:

Marco.Me

brian2957
10-03-2018, 17:27
Are you taking them both Oliver ? If not can I have one please .

Bigman80
10-03-2018, 17:34
Just the one Brian

brian2957
10-03-2018, 17:39
Cheers Oli . Can I have the other one Marco ? . Can you PM me your Paypal details please .

Marco
10-03-2018, 19:48
Ok dudes, sorted! I'll PM you shortly, Brian :cool:

Marco.

brian2957
10-03-2018, 19:56
I think your inbox is full Mate .

struth
10-03-2018, 20:04
:lol:

Marco
10-03-2018, 20:21
Yesh, it's a struggle keeping my box from being stuffed full :eyebrows:

Marco.

brian2957
10-03-2018, 21:11
Yesh, it's a struggle keeping my box from being stuffed full :eyebrows:

Marco.

So I heard :lol:

WAD62
12-03-2018, 13:09
Guys, just in case any of you are interested, I've got two of these cables in 2m lengths now surplus to requirements.

Marco.

Hi Marco, which cable or cables did you end up using instead? :eyebrows:

WAD62
13-03-2018, 19:20
Here: https://www.cabledepot.co.uk/2m-thin-wire-hdmi-cable-high-speed-with-ethernet-p-3013.html

They're *not* the same as the Monoprice ones though, Jo. I bought two, and did a comparison between those and some Monoprice ones, all used in the same application, and the latter are notably better.

This is currently the best place to get the Monoprice ones from: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RONTRK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=skim0x3274-20&smid=A4PPL3N7I3N7V&th=1

I'll be doing a write-up tomorrow on the subject! :)

Marco.

Hi Marco, did you ever get round to the 'write-up'? :scratch:

Sherwood
13-03-2018, 20:07
Although it's an add on item, this has got to be a real bargain. Ideal for my notebook which uses the smaller size connector but will work on regular hdmi devices with a cheap adaptor.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DIGCEY8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Geoff

Jac Hawk
11-04-2018, 20:28
I get these Kramer cables from work https://www.kramerav.com/uk/Product/C-HM/HM best i've used.

Gazjam
23-06-2019, 12:41
Just to round my thread off, the Redmere ones I recommended have even noticeably beaten in both video and audio by these.
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32952707471.html

Stonking picture and sound, best Iíve seen my AV system look and sound by a country mile.