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We had a great day's listening to Technics turntables and other gear at mine on Saturday, with Steve (Snoopdog) visiting later. Marco brought down his Technics with the Jelco 750D and Denon DL-103SA cartridge, to compare with my same-spec deck with Jelco 250ST and AT33PTG cartridge. He also brought his Croft preamp and gorgeous (and bloody heavy) Copper power amp.
We started by comparing cartridges directly into my Whest phono preamp, set up initially for my 33PTG with 500 Ohm loading and 60dB gain. My cartridge sounded clean and extended and made a good fist of the music we played. We then tried Marco’s deck into the Whest with the same settings and we could begin to hear what the Denon does so well: bring out the rhythm and beat in the music, make it alluring and unstoppable.
After some time, we decided to take out the heart of my system and replace it with Marco’s Croft preamp and Copper power amp, together with his Auditorium step-up transformer. Fabulous sound indeed, with the Copper having no problem driving my big Ushers. Although there were distinctive changes from solid state to valve, perhaps the most surprising thing for us was that the differences were so relatively minor. After some debate, we concluded that top end tranny and valve gear don’t really sound as different as the various factions would have us believe. Good reproduction is good reproduction, after all. What was clear was that the 103SA really likes working into that Auditorium, just as Marco said it would.
Later in the evening we back-tracked, always a useful tool for checking what we had heard. We put my Whest, Pass and Chord back into circuit and set the Whest up for 47k load with 65dB gain. This allowed us to compare my CineMag step-up with the Auditorium using the 33PTG. The CineMag certainly made the 33PTG sound more relaxed and alluring, but the Auditorium was clearly a superior tranny. It was at this point that we learned, once again, how important cables are. I had been using a 0.5m length of Profigold OFC interconnect from tranny to Whest and we swapped it out for a 0.5m Mark Grant G1000HD cable. What a difference! Everyone in the room immediately heard what a 0.5m length of cable can do to the sound quality with the MG sounding far more open with greater dynamics and attack. Finally, I set up the Whest to more closely imitate the tranny loading with 100 Ohms and 65dB gain. The 33PTG certainly had more weight than it had at the beginning of the evening and this has given me reason to further experiment with load settings and trying the CineMag tranny back in circuit. I will be ordering some more MG cable soon (I’m already using his Canare-based XLR cable between Whest and Pass).
So will I be getting a Denon 103SA? I’ll hold off on that as I have the Dynavector arm coming soon. After I’ve played with the 33PTG in that arm I’ll come to a conclusion. One thing I will say is that the 33PTG is an excellent cartridge but the 103SA is world-class, truly one of the best cartridges I have ever heard at any price.
I’ll leave Marco and Steve to make their own observations on my system but I think it fair to say that a good time was had by all. For my part, I learned lots and that for me is the best outcome of all.
Sounds a good time had by all and good to hear that both solid state and valve can have a similar effect
Hi Martin,
Nice write-up! It was great to meet Ruth and you - and Snoops. I'm in the middle of a few things at the moment, so will comment later :)
In the meantime, how about posting the pictures you took of my bits in situ on your rack? :cool:
It did sound rather good through your, quite frankly, stunning Ushers! :eek:
High-end SPPV? Oh yes indeedy..... :eyebrows:
Marco.
Here's my normal Solid Tech system rack, full of solid-state electronics:
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Rack 20100228.jpg
...and now filled with Marco's Croft and Copper valve gear. It sure got hot in there after a while:
http://www.mtc.me.uk/images/Rack Marco 20100228.jpg
The Vinyl Adventure
28-02-2010, 22:28
I spy my future tone arm :)
some pretty snazy lookin kit you get there!
I'm loving (as the young folks say) that rack.
I spy my future tone arm :)
You do indeed, Hamish! Latest update is that I should receive the Dynavector this coming Friday and I will then ship it to Sound Hi-Fi. Dave needs two weeks with it to design the arm board (sob) so I'll be looking to deliver my Techie (and your Jelco) to him in three weeks' time.
I'm loving (as the young folks say) that rack.
The Solid Tech is a really nice rack. It floats on sprung feet, offering very good isolation. I wanted a two-component-wide rack and the only contenders were this and the Quadraspire Sunoko-Vent. I preferred the Solid-Tech's better isolation.
The Vinyl Adventure
28-02-2010, 23:11
Good stuff, I'm expecting the funds in about 10 days, fingers crossed
the phrase "good things come to those who wait" springs to mind!
The Vinyl Adventure
28-02-2010, 23:14
The Solid Tech is a really nice rack. It floats on sprung feet, offering very good isolation. I wanted a two-component-wide rack and the only contenders were this and the Quadraspire Sunoko-Vent. I preferred the Solid-Tech's better isolation.
If my q4 ref is anything to go by I would say your rack is likely considerable less wobbly than the sunoko :)
Snoopdog
01-03-2010, 09:40
Martin,
Thanks once again for your hospitality and it was good to finally meet Marco, although he has got to learn to wear a belt or braces with those jeans! It was a scary sight indeed when he bent down to take the strain of lifting that copper valve amp and certainly the first time I have been offered 'crack' in Basingstoke :eek:
Seriously though, I thoroughly enjoyed the nostalgia of listening to the many 80's vinyl we got through and I was very impressed with the sound of both systems, valve and solid state during the various swap-outs.
Martin, you definately have a system that is compelling to listen to and is characterised by that driving, solid bass foundation which makes it so easy to tap the foot. Hearing Dire Straits almost made me reach for my 'air guitar' and headband! :guitar:
Marco, I was very impressed with your deck and valve amplification and was left scratching my head at the by no means uneven comparison between a 30 watt valve amp and 350 watt transistor powerhouse.
Hi fi is indeed a broad church and although we all agreed that our own systems have very different presentations, the hallmark of a great system is the ability to relax and connect with the music.
Martin, you have a great system :rave:
certainly the first time I have been offered 'crack' in Basingstoke :eek:
LOL! You've given me an image I just cannot remove.
left scratching my head at the by no means uneven comparison between a 30 watt valve amp and 350 watt transistor powerhouse.
My thoughts exactly. I could live with either amplifier quite happily, but the Copper valve amp spec belies its power and we were not being easy on it.
Martin, you have a great system
Aww, thanks!
:respect:
My entire system costs the same or less than most of the individual components discussed above.
Hi Martin,
Sorry for the delay in replying - yesterday was a bit hectic. I still don't have time to reply in the detail I'd like, as Steve Toy is coming round for a sesh today, but I'll answer some points quickly.
We started by comparing cartridges directly into my Whest phono preamp, set up initially for my 33PTG with 500 Ohm loading and 60dB gain. My cartridge sounded clean and extended and made a good fist of the music we played. We then tried Marco’s deck into the Whest with the same settings and we could begin to hear what the Denon does so well: bring out the rhythm and beat in the music, make it alluring and unstoppable.
Yup, that's what I thought too. As good as the AT is, it's still a cartridge that, musically, appeals more to the head than the heart (although here it's much better than the OC-9), whereas the 103SA, in that respect, is the polar opposite. It's just much more beguiling and 'funky' in the way it reproduces music. It appears to have an uncanny ability to draw you right into the performance, making you almost feel what the musicians experienced when they put the piece together, rather than merely sitting back in admiration and ticking respective boxes of 'hi-fi niceties', as one tends to do with the AT.
After some time, we decided to take out the heart of my system and replace it with Marco’s Croft preamp and Copper power amp, together with his Auditorium step-up transformer. Fabulous sound indeed, with the Copper having no problem driving my big Ushers.
It certainly didn't - not even in the slightest! In fact, it sounded fantastic and just 'massive' (and very musical) through your, quite frankly, stunning Ushers. Those are undoubtedly amongst the finest sounding 'high-end' speakers I've heard - and yes, even at £13k new, they still represent high SPPV!! I've heard speakers at not far off twice the price sound distinctly broken in comparison ;)
Although there were distinctive changes from solid state to valve, perhaps the most surprising thing for us was that the differences were so relatively minor. After some debate, we concluded that top end tranny and valve gear don’t really sound as different as the various factions would have us believe.
Your Pass Labs and Chord combo are superb, and really show what solid-state equipment can do when one is dealing in the upper-echelons of this form of amplification topology. There were differences (and I'll get to those later), but I do agree that when you hear such well-executed examples of both, the differences are surprisingly small.
Good reproduction is good reproduction, after all. What was clear was that the 103SA really likes working into that Auditorium, just as Marco said it would.
Yep, SUTs rule with the 103! These smilies are for the benefit of a 'fan' of mine whom I know will be looking in...... :ner: :ner: :upyours:
So will I be getting a Denon 103SA? I’ll hold off on that as I have the Dynavector arm coming soon. After I’ve played with the 33PTG in that arm I’ll come to a conclusion. One thing I will say is that the 33PTG is an excellent cartridge but the 103SA is world-class, truly one of the best cartridges I have ever heard at any price.
I do agree, but it's an absolute bitch to optimise fully. It might be a relatively cheap cartridge (as far as high-end prices go), but it's by no means cheap to get working properly. The 103SA is around £400 (depending where you buy it from), the NOS AT LT-12 magnesium headshell cost me £180, the Ortofon solid silver lead wires were £90, and the A23 SUT is £450 - all of which are absolutely necessary to achieve what you heard on Saturday. That comes to a grand total of £1120...
*But*, set up that way, I believe it can compete with cartridges in the £2-3k league. In that respect, I'd love to hear it up against Steve's Transfiguration Orpheus.... Steve, perhaps next time we could have a bake-off at yours? :)
I’ll leave Marco and Steve to make their own observations on my system but I think it fair to say that a good time was had by all. For my part, I learned lots and that for me is the best outcome of all.
I did too, and I'll comment more on this later. Once again though it was a fab day, so thanks for having me :cool:
Marco.
After some debate, we concluded that top end tranny and valve gear don’t really sound as different as the various factions would have us believe. Good reproduction is good reproduction, after all.
;)
The Vinyl Adventure
01-03-2010, 12:57
Martin,
Thanks once again for your hospitality and it was good to finally meet Marco, although he has got to learn to wear a belt or braces with those jeans! It was a scary sight indeed when he bent down to take the strain of lifting that copper valve amp and certainly the first time I have been offered 'crack' in Basingstoke :eek:
HA! Similar offering were made at my house visit, although I can't comment, I'm frequently being told to "put it away"
I've experimented further this evening, connecting up my Bob's Devices CineMag step-up tranny between 33PTG and Whest. I found a better cable than the piece of cr*p Profigold I was using (and which Marco's G1000HD comprehensively destroyed) while waiting for a 0.5m G1000HD of my own to arrive. I set up the Whest for 47k load with 50dB gain and the tranny to 'low' gain. In this configuration, it presents 184 Ohms load to the cartridge with 24dB gain - perfect.
I had forgotten that this tranny is effectively brand new and never used, also the substitute cable I found. I therefore let it run for a few sides while doing other things. Now that I've sat down for some music, I've found it hard getting away to write this piece. The sound is the best I've yet heard from the 33PTG - with some of that beguiling fluid Denon sound, very focused and deep soundstage and hardly any indication that a record is playing. In fact, surface noise and ticks are supressed to an amazing degree. The sense of structure and solidity is something new and I cannot find fault with the frequency range, top to bottom. The difference between this setup and using the cartridge straight into the Whest is marked and all good, with the possible exception of attack which may be a little better direct. There's not much in it, though.
So I'm going to leave it like this, running through the SUT, and await the MG cable which may release a little more dynamic swing yet :)
http://www.bobsdevices.com/cinemag.htm
http://www.10audio.com/images/Bob%27s_step-up_a.jpg
Primalsea
01-03-2010, 23:12
Hi Martin,
It seems you are happy with the new set up but what do you think of the SUT, is it a keeper?
Hi Paul
Oh yes, the SUT's a keeper because it's good and I only paid about £250 for it. I think actually that I really will keep it in circuit, it's sounding marvellous even here in the study while I'm typing. Even if I end up replacing it I shall keep it in my armament.
I just found a review of it here:
http://www.10audio.com/bob's_devices_step_up.htm
Interesting stuff, Martin... I'm glad that my visit has whetted your appetite for experimenting with your SUT :)
Personally I couldn't give a monkey's bollocks if SUTs add coloration which is considered as 'inaccurate', and that direct connection to an active MC stage is the more 'accurate' way of doing things - the fact is, every time I've tried it both ways, a high-quality SUT always comes out on top in terms of what makes music to my ears sound more enjoyable, realistic and believable!
That effect was also proven by what we heard at your place with either yours or my SUT, so blinkered people with tunnel vision in that respect, like 'he of NVA', can go and hang... ;)
The SUT thing is rather like the valves vs. transistors situation. Some claim the latter as more 'accurate' and the former as 'coloured and euphonic' - well, given what we heard on Saturday, we both know that properly designed valve amps make nonsense of that particular theory!! :lol:
Interesting review of the Bob's Devices unit, btw, so thanks for sharing :cool:
Marco.
Primalsea
02-03-2010, 20:19
Well it makes sense Marco, the SUT for all its claimed faults effectively amplifies the voltage without adding noise. Also there is some element of CMRR as the tonearm cabling can be balanced. You cant get this with active stages, they always add noise and amplify any interference pick up from the tonearm cable.
Its interesting, isn't it, that distortion does seem to be the most important factor in determining real world performance!
Hi Paul,
the SUT for all its claimed faults effectively amplifies the voltage without adding noise...
Yes, so I believe from reading the article Martin linked to earlier. All I know though is what my ears tell me (they are rarely wrong), but it's nice to have some objective evidence to confirm one's subjective analysis :)
Its interesting, isn't it, that distortion does seem to be the most important factor in determining real world performance!
Indeed. Although, as I keep saying, not all forms of distortion in audio are bad! :cool:
Marco.
Hi Steve,
Thanks once again for your hospitality and it was good to finally meet Marco, although he has got to learn to wear a belt or braces with those jeans!
Arf!
It was very nice meeting you, too :)
It was a scary sight indeed when he bent down to take the strain of lifting that copper valve amp and certainly the first time I have been offered 'crack' in Basingstoke :eek:
Be grateful it wasn't a Sunday, otherwise I might have had my wife's knickers on underneath (just kidding)!! :lol: :lol: ;)
Seriously though, I thoroughly enjoyed the nostalgia of listening to the many 80's vinyl we got through and I was very impressed with the sound of both systems, valve and solid state during the various swap-outs.
Indeed, as was I. Martin's system was fantastic with either my kit or his, and superb equipment aside, is testament to what can be achieved with proper attention to detail in terms of set-up - a message we always preach here on AOS... There is much more to creating a great system than simply the boxes used!
Marco, I was very impressed with your deck and valve amplification and was left scratching my head at the by no means uneven comparison between a 30 watt valve amp and 350 watt transistor powerhouse.
Thanks, Steve. TBH, I wasn't as shocked as I would've been, say, 2 years ago before a £300 imported Chinese valve amp retired my (then) £4000 solid-state 200W ECS monoblocks, which began my rather joyous journey into valves... :)
As all three of us heard, the copper amp drove Martin's Ushers with similar aplomb and efficiency as did his Chord transistor powerhouse, despite being a 'lowly' 30 W.P.C - go figure...
In my opinion, when valves are implemented correctly in a top-notch design, they amplify music signals rather more efficiently than transistors do (there are technical reasons for this which the likes of Anthony TD could explain), hence why you need less 'watts' to achieve a similar loudness capability - and this really comes into its own when the very best (and biggest) mains and output transistors are used, such as is the case with the copper amp. That is why it weighs 45kg!
What gives valve amps a bad reputation (in many instances) is so-called 'high-end' designs from certain well-known 'respected' manufacturers employing over-complicated circuits and/or the use of insufficient quality mains and output transformers because they've spent most of their budget on building 'fancy cases' to impress badge snobs who covet such nonsense, hence why those types of designs often give that overly-euphonic presentation and have all the 'punch' of a drunken boxer wearing woollen mittens!
Be carefull also, as most dealers will only too gladly sell you equipment like that when they discover you have a healthy disposible income... One simply becomes a cash cow to fund their pension plans. It therefore pays to think outside of the box and select equipment (majoring on the highest SPPV) from small, specialist, but relatively unrecognised manufacturers who deal direct with their customers.
Basically, unlike the copper amp, many so-called 'high-end' valve amplifiers don't have it 'going on under the hood' where it matters because you're mainly paying for the prestige value of owning a 'desirable badge'... The copper amp was designed as a 'statement product' of its type for all the right reasons by a talented designer who knows exactly what he's doing and who isn't in it just for the money - and my goodness it shows.
Martin, you have a great system
I completely agree. It's undoubtedly one of the best I've heard, so kudos goes to Martin for successfully putting it all together and creating such an impressive sound. His system is one of the best examples of embracing our ethos of system-building here on AOS, and it was a pleasure to hear it :cool:
Marco.
The Grand Wazoo
03-03-2010, 00:02
Martin,
Sometimes I marvel at the coincidences to be found here at AoS - I posted a picture of one of Bob's Devices just the other day & then, seemingly moments later, you mention your experience of one of those very devices!
I love my SUT & have found many other versions of the same type to be utterly beguiling with my various Koetsus. I've also found great things with some active devices.
As always with hi-fi, there's no such thing as 'one true path' no matter what some folks will tell you!
Hey Chris, that's a great coincidence! Which Bob's Device do you have - the CineMag? Could you link me to your thread please?
The Vinyl Adventure
03-03-2010, 08:42
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5547&page=6
a thread related to me buying your tonearm non the less ...
... well kind. ;)
Ah, thanks. Chris doesn't say which Bob's Device he has. Which one, Chris, and how did you come across it?
The Grand Wazoo
03-03-2010, 09:27
Sorry Martin, I don't own one. I just used that picture to demonstrate how you could put raw transformers in or on a box.
When I was trying to find the best units for my installation, though I did try many, many options including CineMags, Sowters, Cotters, S&B's, Jensens etc.
The tale is here:
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2907
As with most of what I tried, I seem to remember the CineMags being very good, but somehow not gelling exactly right with the rest of the gear. I was being very fussy & even found the S&B's in a home made box not to be as good as what I ended up with, which was, in fact another implementation of the same transformers!
The tale is here
Wow, those Bent Audio SUTs are certainly serious pieces of kit. Excellent write-up and fascinating designs - many thanks.
Martin,
Here's some info and reviews on the A23, which you may find interesting:
http://www.auditorium-23.de/Accessories/Transformers.html
Some key quotes from the above:
The A23 step-up may be small and easy to place, but it packs a hell of a wallop. In fact, getting the measure of this step-up was surprisingly easy. The A23 SPU step up is incredibly dynamic and extended, from top to bottom. It is neutral, extremely vivid and present. While it is by no means lean or bleached, it is not as weighty as the other step ups I had on hand. It is primarily about speed, openness, extension, clarity and presence. I have reason to believe that its designer, Keith Aschenbrenner, voiced this unit around the basic SPU Classic, which like the Denon 103, is all about tonality in the same sense that the folks at Audio Note UK claim their components are. Both cartridges favor the body of notes over the leading edge and weight over speed.
"Hey Terry," said I, "Whaddya say we drop in the Aud 23 step-up tranny and see what happens?" "Sounds like an idea," said he. So we did and dropped the needle again. "Whoa!" said I. "Whoa!" Terry tossed right back at moi. All of a sudden everything that had troubled me about the Origin Live Silver arm vanished. In its place was one of the most stunning portrayals of the analogue kingdom I have ever heard - breathtaking!
Indeed... :)
A picture of the little beastie in question:
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5541/a23sut.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/a23sut.jpg/)
Marco.
P.S The bit in bold I've highlighted above in one of the quotes is *precisely* why I prefer the DL-103 to virtually any modern design - and with the A23 in place, there's no lack of speed or leading edge either!
Thanks Marco. I agree with this:
"The A23 SPU step up is incredibly dynamic and extended, from top to bottom. It is neutral, extremely vivid and present."
By the way, you've got to do something about those awful phono sockets. I couldn't be having that loose connection in my system, it would drive me nuts.
I will Martin... The difference is though, at yours the unit was hanging down vertically against the back of the wall and thus straining the connections as a result.
At mine it sits happily, horizontally, on a shelf by the window and never gives me a problem. However, I will replace the phono connectors with some high quality WBTs in due course to eliminate any problems in that respect when it's 'away from home', as it were :cool:
The A23 is a fabulous sounding device, though, and easily the best SUT I've heard for a DL-103.
Thanks Marco. I agree with this:
"The A23 step up is incredibly dynamic and extended, from top to bottom. It is neutral, extremely vivid and present."
Indeed. It is *precisely* what explains the fact (as you observed on Saturday) that with the A23 in place, the DL-103 doesn't sound like it uses a spherical tip, as the top-end of its frequency response is so crystal clear, wide-open and extended, allowing subtle filigree detailing and nuances in the musical mix to be reproduced with conviction and ease, whilst still retaining its beguiling 'valve-like' clarity in the midrange and renowned rhythmic alacrity, flow and gravitas in the lower frequencies - hence why you referred to it as "world class" :)
It's thus the A23 which transforms the humble DL-103 (or slightly less humble 'SA' version) from merely a good cartridge into a truly great one.... Make no mistake, it's this little baby that makes all the difference! ;)
Marco.
Dave Cawley
03-03-2010, 10:50
I said the same thing about those awful phono sockets too!
Dave
Yes, and despite me asking about 100 times if you've got the WBT sockets in yet to fit, bugger all has happened!!! :lol: :ner: ;)
Marco.
chris@panteg
03-03-2010, 12:17
Marco ' you using dodgy sockets surely shome mistake ! and a builder's bum ?
Hi Chris,
Regarding the latter, not usually! :eyebrows:
The former is simply down to the phono sockets on the A23 being a slightly different fit (the body of the sockets is a little shorter than normal), as I believe there is a slight discrepancy in 'fit' between American phonos and UK ones, so some plugs on interconnects don't quite 'mate' with the plugs on the A23 as snugly as they should.
It's not a problem at all in my system, as the A23 sits horizontally on a shelf; it's only an issue when it's left hanging down behind a rack, vertically, and therefore the connections are being 'pulled' slightly.
However, in order to eradicate the situation, I'll be fitting some high quality WBTs in due course :cool:
Marco.
chris@panteg
03-03-2010, 12:50
Hi Marco
Excellent so everything good to go for Sunday then ! and the Mike New Bearing is run in nicely now ? you have not said much about that recently , a few people may be surprised at Scalford when they hear it ! .
Yup, Chris - everything is good to go. I'm looking forward to the show, if not lugging the Lockwoods down... Still, needs must, so we will do what is necessary! :)
The bearing has run-in nicely now, and the turntable is sounding fantastic, so we'll see what happens. I look forward to meeting you on Sunday :cool:
Marco.
Steve Toy
03-03-2010, 16:29
It's not a problem at all in my system, as the A23 sits horizontally on a shelf; it's only an issue when it's left hanging down behind a rack, vertically, and therefore the connections are being 'pulled' slightly.
Twice on Monday that A23 fell off the shelf onto the floor and disconnected itself in the process.
Yes, clumsy-boy, because your big arse was round the back of the rack bumping into things when moving kit around!! :lol:
It's fine when you're just sitting back listening to music and not disturbing anything, which of course is 99% of the time :)
Marco.
Dave Cawley
03-03-2010, 18:49
there is a slight discrepancy in 'fit' between American phonos and UK ones
Not true old boy! The A23 I had on loan had poor sockets and a transformer was rattling around inside. I did try to source the transformers to do a proper job, but the transformer manufacturer (not the A23 people) didn't want to tell me which ones were used in the A23.
Regards
Dave
Hi Dave,
No worries - the bottom line is that it sounds fantastic as it is, and I'll fit nice WBTs in due course :)
Are you getting any in or was that merely a pipe dream? ;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
03-03-2010, 19:00
and I'll fit nice WBTs in due course :)
Wot ?
You handling hot soldering irons now ?:lolsign:
Chris;)
Perish the thought! I've got people to do that, old boy ;)
Marco.
Dave - I'll bring the Bob's Devices CineMag along when I come down with the Techie so that you can listen to it. I know for a fact that you can source those transformers.
Dave Cawley
03-03-2010, 20:27
Hi Marco
I would of got the connectors, but when the A23 arrived with poor sockets and a transformer that wanted to get away..............
Dave
No worries, mate - I'll get them myself. It's a pity we don't know which transformers are used in the A23, as so far I've not heard anything else match the 103 better....
Martin's CineMags are good though - I'm sure you'll be impressed by what they do with his AT33PTG :)
Marco.
Dave Cawley
03-03-2010, 20:54
If we knew what the transformers were, we could rule the world! (again)
The CineMags I can get, and mate them with WBT or even better?
Dave
Hi Dave,
Just a quickie...
there is a slight discrepancy in 'fit' between American phonos and UK ones
Not true old boy!
Actually it was, (older) boy! :eyebrows:
When Anthony visited on Friday he swapped the original sockets for the ones he normally uses on his equipment designs, and the ones that were on the A23 were just over half the length of the ones he fitted!!
So, as they say up in sunny Glasgow: "Get it right up ye, ya beezer!" :ner:
:lolsign: ;)
Suffice to say, I now no longer have any connection issues :)
Marco.
Steve Toy
09-03-2010, 15:06
So, as they say up in sunny Glasgow: "Get it right up ye, ya beezer!"
Down here we say something about adding it to your tobacco mix....
If we knew what the transformers were, we could rule the world! (again)
The CineMags I can get, and mate them with WBT or even better?
Dave
Don't the Sowter ones (especially the OFC wired ones) compare well Dave? I only ask as the financial jump from the old but still tidy AT 630 will have to be very carefully considered.
Anyone tried the Puresound transformer?
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