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Are women deaf?
Strange and controversial question but hear me out.
All over the Internet I hear about the 'WAF' factor. Here's typical difference in response between a man and a woman;
Man: what's it sound like?
Woman: That's ugly, you're not having that in the house.
So men care about sound quality, women don't. They just care about the looks.
So if women don't care about sound quality, then logic would say that there must be something wrong with their hearing?
There are a few women record producers and Tonmeisters, and of course there's a lot of female orchestral players, so no, there's nothing wrong with women's hearing. So where does the problem lie?
Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and there's a lot of WAF friendly Hi-Fi out there. But there's also a lot of ugly stuff.
Furthermore, seeing as there's a lot of female musicians, why are there very few female members of forums such as AOS? Do they prefer to listen to music rather than talk about it? What Hi-Fi systems do they own? I can't believe that a female musician with the LSO would have a £20 Tesco special at home.
Personally I feel there's a lot of crap spouted about the difference between the sexes, but it's obvious that where Hi-Fi is concerned, the stereotypes appear to be true.
As an aside, it's not just Hi-Fi. My house-mate is the regional rep for a national Womens motorbike club. Yet a lot of Bike shops treat her as a second class citizen.
Women make up half the population. So why Don't Hi-Fi companies wake up and go after this very large untapped sector?
Do women (in general) not appreciate good sound quality?
Kris :scratch:
The Vinyl Adventure
27-02-2010, 15:40
hannah likes sound quality... she just like worrying about her hair and weight and what colour the wall paper above the picture rail in the dining room should be more
My first wife always claimed she couldn't tell the difference between my hifi and a cheap mini system - until I left her and took the hifi with me! ;)
Women don't, on the whole, want to be faffing about with hifi. They just want to press a button and the music to play. Nothing wrong with that of course; it's how most people want their television to be like. AFAIK very few people are 'fettling' their TVs or buying fancy supports and cables to improve the picture.
Ali Tait
27-02-2010, 16:07
Agree with Joe.However,I know someone who is a hearing specialist, who told me that there is no difference between male and female hearing.I think it's just the same reason there are few women interested in car mechanics etc. They just want to use things with no fuss.
Rare Bird
27-02-2010, 17:21
Fem Manufacturers:
Sally Gibb:Chord Cables
Scheu: Ulla Schueu (runs Thomas Scheu's company)
There's a high end tone arm company that a women owns i forgot the name!!
Wasnt Heybrook originally run by a women??
bigmarty
27-02-2010, 17:31
Hi folks,
If I buy any new bit of kit or upgrade cables or anything my better half always says she can hear a difference but deep down I know she is just humouring me :eyebrows:, as long as it keeps me happy. Some times if we have people round for a meal and someone comments on the great sound she will enthuse about the system a wee bit but thats about it.
Marty
And of course Edwin and Gabi Van der Kleij.
He owns Siltech. She got envious and decided to put a womans touch into cables and founded Crystal Cable. Both companies share all resources and manufacturing. As far as I remember their offices are directly next door to each other in the same building.
Kris.
And, of course, EveAnna Manley.
http://www.manleylabs.com/images/tradeshows/CES2002/EveannaCES2002.jpg http://www.manleylabs.com/images/tubesrule.gif
I lived with a woman about 15 years ago and she didn't take an interest in my hifi bits...
Until I'd moved out and took the hifi with me , then she had a party at her place and I was invited and discovered she'd gone straight out to and bought a new seperates system, saying she couldn't handle going back to her midi system thing. :)
Rare Bird
27-02-2010, 18:15
End of the day women are normal.. blokes are ab-normal obessives.
Fem Manufacturers:
Sally Gibb:Chord Cables
Scheu: Ulla Schueu (runs Thomas Scheu's company)
There's a high end tone arm company that a women owns i forgot the name!!
Wasnt Heybrook originally run by a women??
The American company Manley, famous for their well-received Manley 'Steelhead' mc head amp, is owned and run by Eve Anna Manley; a motorbike riding female.
http://www.manleylabs.com/images/tradeshows/HE2003/action2.jpg http://www.manleylabs.com/images/hifi99/stingblue.jpg
anthonyTD
27-02-2010, 19:39
hi all,
i have have always found women to have very accute hearing, and if i am not sure if a change in my system is an upgrade or a degrade i will ask my partners opinion, she always seems to pick up on the the same things that bother me.
fortunetly she is also very tolerant!:eek:
A...
Rare Bird
27-02-2010, 19:41
My wife doesnt care too nuch about what it looks like, she never uses the stereo she says it's two daunting pressing more than one power button :scratch: i think it's a matter of if i'm happy with what i'm using, she' happy, that day of being happy will never come to be honest. :lolsign:
I lived with a woman about 15 years ago and she didn't take an interest in my hifi bits...
Until I'd moved out and took the hifi with me , then she had a party at her place and I was invited and discovered she'd gone straight out to and bought a new seperates system, saying she couldn't handle going back to her midi system thing. :)
That is shocking marc:lolsign:
jon
Covenant
27-02-2010, 19:58
For some reason women dont analyse sound like men. My wife has a good voice (always singing) but just accepts any noise so long as she can make it out. Its a complex issue but I guess they are more concerned with the emotion rather than the accuracy.
Rare Bird
27-02-2010, 20:10
Aint the Editor in Chief at certain hi-fi rag a bird?
And, of course, EveAnna Manley.
http://www.manleylabs.com/images/tradeshows/CES2002/EveannaCES2002.jpg http://www.manleylabs.com/images/tubesrule.gif
Evana is a freind of mine,been to her factory and got the grand tour,her office would freak the hell out of any interior desighner.
She's a kick in the pants and dam seriouse about audio,She is a Tannoy super freak by the way! I lost count of all the pairs of Tannoys I saw,Her testing room they break in amps in has more Tannoys than a Tannoy dealer alone.
She is so likeable,and down to earth.
Now on to women in audio,My wife and I where listning to a tone sweep from masqito ring tones 17 to 23 KHZ. My wife can not hear passed 18 khz. My hearing in the left ear goes to 23khz. My right ear was to 19khz.
You can take the test your self it's on line.
My wife is not so turned on buy the quality of our stereo till she goes to someone elses house and comments she hears the differance and gets it.
Not unlike hotrods guys didn't paint them with hot colors and chrome them to make them faster.
it was to atract girls.
Rat rods are for men. Gray primer and raw horsepower.
Women are nesters and there nest has to look better than the nest next door!
It's about gender prioritys,do both well and the house is happy!;)
By the way she hand picked a Stingray for me and sighned the transformer cover (with love Evana Manley) it's still the heart of my system!
The Vinyl Adventure
27-02-2010, 20:50
hi all,
i have have always found women to have very accute hearing, and if i am not sure if a change in my system is an upgrade or a degrade i will ask my partners opinion, she always seems to pick up on the the same things that bother me.
fortunetly she is also very tolerant!:eek:
A...
to be fair, I'm in a very similar situation, although hannah definatly has better hearing than me - 6 years younger than me at 21 I suspect she still has most of her hearing, often hearing high frequesy squeals from various walwarts and the like that often I can only slightly pick up on if I listen carefully. She has also been pretty suportive of most of my recent purchaces (especially your amps). The only thing she doesn't like is the stands, but she is lovely enough to abide them for me. As for how much she likes the hifi as a whole, I think she could easily live without it, or indeed something a lot smaller... But I think we an inspoken agreement that I alow her lots of pets and she allows me lot of hifi.... Funny thing is, I think the pets cost more!
Do you think hannah seemed supportive when you came round? She was poorly when steve and marco came round and was feeling most unsociable so they didn't get the "experience" of meeting her
No Regrets
27-02-2010, 21:43
Partial quote from Kris......."....Furthermore, seeing as there's a lot of female musicians, why are there very few female members of forums such as AOS? Do they prefer to listen to music rather than talk about it? What Hi-Fi systems do they own? I can't believe that a female musician with the LSO would have a £20 Tesco special at home." ......
Well, speaking as a musician, there are differences between being a musician and an audiophile. The musician has a greater interest in performing music rather then listening to music. However, when listening to music the interest is either placed in the temporal understanding of what the composer is trying to communicate, or in understanding the recorded musician's interpretation of what the composer was trying to communicate.
I would venture to say that 95% of the musicians that I know, other than myself, have very modest audio systems....certainly not what one would consider hi-fi. Why? Because we, being musicians already know how an instrument is supposed to sound like because we hear them live everyday. We can be happy with something as simple as a portable transistor radio because our brains will fill in the fidelity that is missing without us even thinking about it. This is why even though we can hear the difference between a really nice audiophile rig and one that is not, it is not where the typical musician places his importance.
In regards to your question about if there are so many female musicians, then why are there so few women who are members of forums such as the AOS? Do they prefer to listen to music rather than talk about it?
The answer to this question reverts back to what I had commented on above with the differences between the musician and the audiophile. The female musicians are indeed members of forums and quite often out talk the male members. The forums that the musicians hang out on are related to performance as well as equipment related to instruments. Check out the Internet Cello Society here http://cellofun.yuku.com/ where they talk about cello bows, rosin, strings, cellos, bridges, tail pieces all in an effort to bring you the listener/audiophile the purest of tone. They also talk in great length about composers as well as the greatest of performers and their techniques and styles of performing, again in the interest in giving you, the listener/audiophile, a moving and emotional experience. Other forums are the Violinist.com and the Maestronet.com just to mention a few.
Now, this is all not to say that a musician cannot be an audiophile.....as I am very much an audiophile. People like me are the minority. However, the values that I have for my system may be different than what you have for yours. With my system, I place great importance on the timbral accuracy of the acoustic instruments being played. The harmonic structure, if you will. Secondly, both the micro and macro dynamics must be present to communicate the emotion of the musics crescendos and various articulations. Lastly would be the soundstage.
I have rambled on probably long enough here, but hopefully this gives you another perspective in regards to the partial quote given at the start of my long winded post.
Best regards,
Don (No Regrets)
anthonyTD
27-02-2010, 22:10
to be fair, I'm in a very similar situation, although hannah definatly has better hearing than me - 6 years younger than me at 21 I suspect she still has most of her hearing, often hearing high frequesy squeals from various walwarts and the like that often I can only slightly pick up on if I listen carefully. She has also been pretty suportive of most of my recent purchaces (especially your amps). The only thing she doesn't like is the stands, but she is lovely enough to abide them for me. As for how much she likes the hifi as a whole, I think she could easily live without it, or indeed something a lot smaller... But I think we an inspoken agreement that I alow her lots of pets and she allows me lot of hifi.... Funny thing is, I think the pets cost more!
Do you think hannah seemed supportive when you came round? She was poorly when steve and marco came round and was feeling most unsociable so they didn't get the "experience" of meeting her
hi hamish,
i found her to be very nice, with a warm personality, much the same as my own good lady, and of course she loves animals which [IMHO] is always a good indication of a persons true character.:)
A...
No Regrets
27-02-2010, 22:16
I agree that women certainly are not deaf by any means. I often consult my wife for her opinions on the sound of various stereo equipment. She very readily hears the differences between cables, vacuum tubes, preamps, amps, speakers, etc. She just has a different vocabulary for explaining what she is hearing from what most audiophiles would use. She also has a very keen ear for discerning the difference between the various makes of trombones or cellos that I have played as well.
When given a choice, she always prefers to listen to music on my reference system, however she enjoys the other systems too. She will not ever go into the listening room on her own and power up the reference system or play vinyl for fear of her breaking something even though I have tried to teach her many times how to do everything. She would rather use one of the less expensive and more simple systems when home alone.
So, she values the quality of sound, but will be willing to forfeit sound quality for the sake of "ease of operation". Also of importance to her is the aesthetic quality of a system. The system must sound great, but in her eyes she would also prefer it to also look great.
jandl100
28-02-2010, 09:58
........
Well, speaking as a musician, there are differences between being a musician and an audiophile.
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Best regards,
Don (No Regrets)
Interesting post from a musician and an audiophile, Don.
I wonder if the two are totally independent - i.e. if the proportion of musician audiophiles is just the same as the proportion of audiophiles in the general population. Or less or more? Perhaps less, from what you say, as you can 'fill in the gaps' between reproduced and real music more easily.
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My wife says that if I pop my clogs before her, then she will sell all my hifi on eBay (maybe keeping the speakers) and get a simple all-in-1 but decent sounding system.
I rather suspect that she has better ears than mine and can readily spot differences between components.
Luckily, she is very happy to indulge me in my hifi hobby and is happy that it makes me happy. :cool:
Primalsea
28-02-2010, 10:14
Has it ever struck anyone that hifi is mainly marketed to blokes? This tends to be along the lines of bigger = better.
This doesn't seem to work for shoes, handbags, cars marketed to women etc.
Lets be honest, most mega high end hifi is really just penis extensions.
Hi Kris.
All over the Internet I hear about the 'WAF' factor. Here's typical difference in response between a man and a woman;
Man: what's it sound like?
Woman: That's ugly, you're not having that in the house.
If she truly loved and respected you she would not make a comment like that, but simply offer her (equally valid opinion) on the matter.
NO WAY on this earth would Del ever speak to me like that, and nor would I to her - or either of us would be out the door, pronto. A partnership is about MUTUAL respect and making decisions TOGETHER!! ;)
Good thread. I'll get to the hi-fi side of the discussion later :)
Marco.
Has it ever struck anyone that hifi is mainly marketed to blokes? This tends to be along the lines of bigger = better.
This doesn't seem to work for shoes, handbags, cars marketed to women etc.
Au contraire. Big handbags are very 'in' at the moment.
jandl100
28-02-2010, 11:20
A partnership is about MUTUAL respect and making decisions TOGETHER!! ;)
Well, all relationships are different - even successful & happy ones. :)
My wife couldn't care less what equipment I buy or what it looks like and has no real interest in being part of the decision process. I just keep within the specified annual budgetary constraints and that's it.
.... OK - when I bought Avantgarde Uno speakers we decided on the colour of the horns together ... and we both agreed that the metallic blue looked coolest! :smoking:
But then she has little interest in music, apart from a shared love of Gilbert and Sullivan operettas!
That's completely fine, Jerry, but she doesn't TELL you, in no uncertain terms: "You're not having that in the house!", surely?
I'm afraid the only person who was allowed to speak to me like that was my mother or father when I was a kid!
It's not about what interest your good lady has or not in your hobby; it's about give and take, and treating each other with respect as equal human beings :)
The fact is, if someone is barking orders at you like that, then clearly they don't respect you, so I would hope that no-one here is on the receiving end of that type of behaviour from their wife, husband or partner.
Marco.
I agree with Marco on this compleatly,THEM THEIR IS FIGHTIN WORDS!
twelvebears
28-02-2010, 11:50
Susy definitely like things to look good (however my massive speakers manage to tick that box) but she does very much appreciate the sound quality and makes no secret of the fact that she's got more out of listening to music in the time we've been together.
She's even gone to the trouble of picking up stuff we already have on the computer because she wants to hear how it sounds on vinyl.
All i keep getting is "we're getting a Bose system" when i bring something new in :eek:
My Lovely wife is very tolerent to be fair and now that we have spotify a lot more music gets played as a result , my lounge floor has amps all over the place at the moment and i havn't been issued with any divorce proceedings yet :lol:
My Lovely wife is very tolerent to be fair and now that we have spotify a lot more music gets played as a result , my lounge floor has amps all over the place at the moment and i havn't been issued with any divorce proceedings yet :lol:
It's books that litter the floor in our place, and we both contribute to that problem. The valve amp is the only 'issue'; Caroline doesn't trust it not to blow up, and I have my own doubts about it too!
hifinutt
28-02-2010, 15:02
it was nice to see lots of ladies at the bristol show yesterday even if some were only bribed by the promise of some shopping later!!!
What was the show like then, Phil - did you hear anything nice? :)
Marco.
jandl100
28-02-2010, 21:40
Bristol Show - KEF Blade Concept speakers. Cor lummey - they were GOOD! :eek:
Describe, please? :)
What I don't like about the Bristol show is the rather 'mainstream' nature of the majority of the gear demonstrated, and the (general) paucity of quality T/Ts and valve gear - unless things were different this year.......
I prefer unusual (often more specialist) equipment from small 'boutique' manufacturers, and find the Manchester or London show much better for that type of stuff. I have zero interest in AV or TVs, and not that much in computer-related audio.
Marco.
jandl100
01-03-2010, 07:39
Bristol Show ....
KEF Blade Concept http://www.kef.com/gb/conceptblade
Not a product, but probably a precursor of a range to come.
The speed, openness and transparency were, not to put too fine a point on it, superb.
Just a new version of the UniQ concentric mid/treble driver really - but hugely impressive and coherent. I've certainly never heard a KEF speaker like it - I am not generally a fan of the make. A dem of some vocal/choral music was very realistic indeed - this ribbon/stat fan was genuinely impressed.
I do, though, feel sure that a lot of the sq is down to the hyper-expensive cabinet which will not be available at anything like accessible (for me) prices.
They used a stack of Electrocompaniet electronics to drive them.
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The rest of the Show was fairly mediocre on the whole.
Tony S. did well with his Cabasse-led room - powerful but articulate and detailed, very nice indeed after the bland dreck I had heard up til then.
Nice to hear DPA electronics again, with some Wilson Benesch Arcs and a souped-up Pioneer CDP - very open and detailed with an excellent sense of acoustic space.
Adam speakers (active ribbon hybrids) were quite impressive in a slammy kind of way. More a rock than a classical speaker, I think.
Biggish Tannoys were there, the £5k DC10T, I think ..... errr, preconceptions confirmed! ;) I really cannot be 'avin' with that upper mid/lower treble grain. :scratch: Fast and effortless, though. Just not for me, I'm afraid.
Audiovector ribbon hybrids were pretty good (I can't recall the electronics) but with a rather treble-led sound.
Huge valves on a Kron amp in the Wilson Benesch suite :eek:. Sounded pretty darn good with the big WB Bishop speakers.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/SDC12192.jpg
So, mostly bland dreck, but with some well worthwhile highlights.
Thanks for the write-up, Jerry. Yes, the Kefs do look interesting... They're a company with a long tradition of making speakers (and also their own drive units), so have the capability to produce some serious designs if they want. It looks like the Blade Concept is a fine example of that :)
Biggish Tannoys were there, the £5k DC10T, I think ..... errr, preconceptions confirmed! I really cannot be 'avin' with that upper mid/lower treble grain. Fast and effortless, though.
Hehehe.... I wouldn't be 'avin it either mate, trust me, (and aren't!) :lol:
The problem is that most Tannoys sound just as you describe - it's only the minority of better designed ones that don't. As we've discussed before, it'll be interesting to find out what you think of the Lockwoods at the pie show :)
Do you remember what electronics were being used with them?
Marco.
jandl100
01-03-2010, 09:19
Tannoys .....
Do you remember what electronics were being used with them?
Marco.
Nope. :(
Steve will be 'aving a bash at me now! ..... :ner:
Lol - what for? :)
Marco.
jandl100
01-03-2010, 09:31
Whoops! - I forgot the other main highlight of the Show :doh: - Vienna Acoustics Klimt The Kiss. (Marco should appreciate the name!)
A rather weird looking integral standmount that retails at $15k in the States - reviewed and raved over in the Feb '10 Stereophile.
In the Cyrus room, of all places! They did sound bloody good, even with Cyrus electronics! :eyebrows:
Very articulate with excellent in-room presence. Yummy.
Stock shot ...
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/jandl100/ViennaAcousticsTheKiss.jpg
jandl100
01-03-2010, 09:33
Lol - what for? :)
Marco.
Commenting on show sound by mentioning only the speakers, and not the source/electronics.
You may recall he had a fine ol' go at me re: my comments on last year's National Show. :lol:
Whoops! - I forgot the other main highlight of the Show - Vienna Acoustics Klimt The Kiss. (Marco should appreciate the name!)
Ah yes, my good friend Gustav...
It's one of the most copied images (on prints, calendars and such like) of all time!
I'm with you on the speakers - I'm just trying to reconcile in my head how anything can sound good on the end of Cyrus kit :scratch: :eyebrows:
Marco.
Commenting on show sound by mentioning only the speakers, and not the source/electronics.
You may recall he had a fine ol' go at me re: my comments on last year's National Show. :lol:
Lol - oh yes, I remember now. I doubt he'll have time, as he's due up to mine today to compare phono stages, etc, so we can decide exactly what kit to take to the show :)
Marco.
P.S Thanks for sticking up for AOS on RD's 'I hate Marco and all that AOS and he stands for' blog - the bloke needs a reality check ;)
They did sound bloody good, even with Cyrus electronics! :eyebrows:
I'm just trying to reconcile in my head how anything can sound good on the end of Cyrus kit
Objection, your honor !!! :)
Cyrus 8xp models are among the best SS amps of their price tag. ;) (the only problem is that WTF agree, in fact... :lol: )
All i keep getting is "we're getting a Bose system"
Aaaaargh! That would be my nightmare from hell :(
My Ruth was absolutely amazed when she heard, without prompting, a 0.5m cable swap when we were entertaining Marco at the weekend. She also distinctly liked his Denon DL-103SA cartridge.
This from someone who said the usual "I wouldn't be able to hear the difference" when I was explaining my passion to her when we first met. I had said "you only need your ears" and she proved me right. I'm not so sure it's a female thing so much as a reaction from anyone who is presented with the sort of equipment we have for the first time.
P.S Thanks for sticking up for AOS on RD's 'I hate Marco and all that AOS and he stands for' blog - the bloke needs a reality check ;)
:scratch: I'm obviously out of the loop here. Anyone mind filling me in?
Hi Kris,
For your amusement: http://thehifisubjectivist.noadforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15&sid=de5526d729ebb53ad9cab7999992a8be&p=1172#p1172
I must admit, he's setting things up perfectly to ensure a friendly atmosphere at Scalford Hall, given that we're only going to be a stone's throw (hey, that's a good idea! ;)) from each other... :lol: :doh: :rolleyes: :wanker:
Marco.
Now why the heck would a forum owner initiate a controversial thread about another forum ? :scratch:
This logic beats me.
"The dogs bark, the caravan passes" as the French say. :lol:
The Vinyl Adventure
01-03-2010, 12:40
I did just have a moan, but decided it was a bit rude so have cut it down to this
It's all such a load of shite,
And this
Sorry to get on my high horse everyone :)
just incase anyone saw, sorry if I caused offence!
Thank you Marco for the link. Very interesting. It appears to be a new forum set up by someone who is anti you and anti AOS, and partly designed for the purposes of attacking other forums.
Every forum has it's pros and cons. But I feel AOS is ok for me. I won't be joining the Dr's forum (Dr of what?) or wigwam or pink fish etc. That said, I did recently find out to my surprise that I was a member of DIYaudio forum. Joined a few years back, then forgot. . .
I do find it sad that the various Hi-Fi forums have a go at each other at times. But there again, someone once said that Hi-Fi was only second to religion for its zealots.
Kris.
The Vinyl Adventure
01-03-2010, 13:23
He's Richard Dunn, the guys that makes NVA kit
Rare Bird
01-03-2010, 14:28
I prefer unusual (often more specialist) equipment from small 'boutique' manufacturers
Me too the reason i stopped going to hi-fi shows were the commercial crap.I love the nobody companies if you know what i mean..Last show i went to was in the early 90's Buxton, Derbyshire, twas my first experience with impulse speekas & of course russ andrews had a room fully of rebuilt vintage gear that was yum yum too.
Yup... Well it's just much more interesting than mainstream pap, isn't it?
Quite frankly, I hate owning the same gear that every other Tom, Dick and Harry is likely to have. I prefer to think outside of the box and make my own decisions, rather than my choices being influenced by the latest 'flavours of the month' in the hi-fi media! :rolleyes: :)
That shit's for the sheep to worry about ;)
Marco.
I totally agree its good to have something which has its own style and you know the effort the person has put into it
It's a pity that music brings us together but these silly forum spats make some people seem like polar opposites. These people need to chill.
"More Kraftwerk for ze Germans"!
I prefer unusual (often more specialist) equipment from small 'boutique' manufacturers
Yes. It means you have something almost unique that sounds fab.
Unfortunately, one of the negative side effects is that these very small companies can be underfunded, have a great product, but then not be able to fullfill the orders. or go under quickly, so not be able to undertake any warranty work.
The other problem is that people can be taken for a ride. For example, av123 has a great product, the LS9 line source loudspeaker. Apparently, it's an amazing loudspeaker, and at a very reasonable $6K (approx)
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue40/images/av123%20-%20LS9.jpg
Unfortunately, the owner, who is presently being done for embezzlement and running illegal charity lotteries for war heroes and sick kids etc, decided to use the money from the lotteries and customers to live the high life. There a lot of very unhappy customers around the USA, and he owes people many many hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kris.
Evana is a freind of mine,been to her factory and got the grand tour,her office would freak the hell out of any interior desighner.
She's a kick in the pants and dam seriouse about audio,She is a Tannoy super freak by the way! I lost count of all the pairs of Tannoys I saw,Her testing room they break in amps in has more Tannoys than a Tannoy dealer alone.
She is so likeable,and down to earth.
Jeff, you are a blessed guy, to deserve friends like that. :youtheman:
The Grand Wazoo
03-03-2010, 00:11
It's simple, marry your best pal - she'll understand exactly what you mean/want/need with every roll of the dice......forever.
And if you're lucky she'll have a discerning ear and a great taste in music.
.............OK, so it's not so simple. Maybe I was just lucky.
You were very lucky Chris - my best pal is a bloke, but worse he doesn't do hifi... ;)
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