Cartridge recommendations for SME3009

[stonehenge]

Hi

I have a 3009 S2 improved. What VFM new MM cartridges would you recommend? I am currently using long in the tooth Ortofon VMS20 and 30.

Cheers .... Steve

[hifi_dave]

Audio Technica, depending on your budget.

[struth]

shure m55 works well, as do adc's

[STD305M]

I have an ADC Zlm. It has a new old stock stylus if your interested.
PM me
Regards Steve

[walpurgis]

I have an ADC Zlm. It has a new old stock stylus if your interested.
PM me
Regards Steve

That's the one I'd go for! :)

[Wakefield Turntables]

Shure V15 mk3 or Shure M55e

[Barry]

If we are talking about vintage cartridges, such as the ADC XLM and ZLM (or 10E Mk.IV) as well as Shure V15s and M55E, I would add the B&O MMC20EN and MMC20CL to the list. I've used them all with an SME 3009 (Improved) with complete success.

Other vintage fixed-coil cartridges that are worth considering (though I have no direct experience of them) would be the Stanton 681 and 881 (recommend you remove the record brush at the front of the cartridge).


As you have already enjoyed using the Ortofon VMS20E, you might like to consider the current fixed-coil Ortofon designs, such as one of the 'Concorde' series.

[oldius]

The ADC ZLM is possibly the greatest MM. It's age, and dependence on the quality of aftermarket stylii would make me a little cautious but it is a tremendous cartridge.

The best MM I have heard recently is the AT150 with a fine line stylus and boron cantilever. Suoerb.

[worrasf]

I have an AKG P8ES supernova in mine (on a TD150) - from memory the SME owners manual for the arm specifically mentions the Shure V15 and the AKG P8ES as “preferred” cartridges. The AKG is by far and away the “best” vintage MM I’ve heard but as always YMMV.


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[Barry]

I have an AKG P8ES supernova in mine (on a TD150) - from memory the SME owners manual for the arm specifically mentions the Shure V15 and the AKG P8ES as “preferred” cartridges. The AKG is by far and away the “best” vintage MM I’ve heard but as always YMMV.


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I'll second that - in fact it slipped my mind when posting. The AKG P8ES is the best cartridge for 'rock and roll' I have heard. I still have mine.

Do you know if replacement styli still available for it?

[struth]

The ADC ZLM is possibly the greatest MM. It's age, and dependence on the quality of aftermarket stylii would make me a little cautious but it is a tremendous cartridge.

The best MM I have heard recently is the AT150 with a fine line stylus and boron cantilever. Suoerb.

got an adc xlm and its very nice in its integra form.

[worrasf]

I'll second that - in fact it slipped my mind when posting. The AKG P8ES is the best cartridge for 'rock and roll' I have heard. I still have mine.

Do you know if replacement styli still available for it?

I have seen NOS styli come up for the standard P8ES from time to time but never seen a VdH stylus like mine on the supernova. I was dead lucky to find mine as NOS and sent it to Germany for a once over “al is goot “


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[bonzo]

SPU, Hana SL.

[Jimbo]

The ADC ZLM is possibly the greatest MM. It's age, and dependence on the quality of aftermarket stylii would make me a little cautious but it is a tremendous cartridge.

The best MM I have heard recently is the AT150 with a fine line stylus and boron cantilever. Suoerb.

I think the ADC XLM mk2 improved is even better.

[hifi_dave]

SPU, Hana SL.

In an SME 3009 Improved ?

[Barry]

In an SME 3009 Improved ?

Possible if the heaviest counterweight is used, and you bring the counterweight forward towards the pivot in order to supplement the maximum 1.5g VTF setting. Otherwise an SME (non-improved) is preferred, and if you use an Ortofon SPUGT you really need to use the counterweight from the SME 3012.

But it's somewhat academic as the OP is interested in fixed-coil cartridges for use in his SME arm.

[topoxforddoc]

Garrott P77i at 600 Australian dollars

http://garrottbrothers.com/p77i-cartridge

It's the only MM cartridge still in current production which features in this massive thread (>12000 replies and >20 million reads) by Rauliregas on MM cartridges on Audiogon. The others like the Grace F9Ruby, AKGP8ES etc are all reliant on finding NOS styli (an almost impossible task now)

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/who-needs-a-mm-cartridge-type-when-we-have-mc

[Yomanze]

I use a current production Goldring D42 stylus on my Reson Reca (featured in that Audiogon thread), which is identical to the Reca stylus (Geiger S tip).


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[doodoos]

Back in the day the 3009 was partnered with a Shure V15. Di Rigour. Might have changed now.

[topoxforddoc]

I use a current production Goldring D42 stylus on my Reson Reca (featured in that Audiogon thread), which is identical to the Reca stylus (Geiger S tip).


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Yomanze,

That's good to know, as there was a post on AA, suggesting that the 1042 stylus wasn't great in a Reca.

https://www.audioasylum.com/messages/vinyl/743309/reson-reca-stylus-a-warning

Charlie

[Yomanze]

Yomanze,

That's good to know, as there was a post on AA, suggesting that the 1042 stylus wasn't great in a Reca.

https://www.audioasylum.com/messages/vinyl/743309/reson-reca-stylus-a-warning

Charlie

Yeah have seen a few reports, also some side by side comparisons saying just use the D42. The Reca stylus has an oval fixing, so can’t be used in the round fixing Goldrings, but aside from that it is the same Gyger S stylus and cantilever, only potential issue I have heard about is a slight difference in VTA, which could explain the negative reports (especially as it is a line contact stylus).

[stonehenge]

Thanks so far everyone. I have sent a PM ref the ADC ZLM. Cheers

[Stratmangler]

Yomanze,

That's good to know, as there was a post on AA, suggesting that the 1042 stylus wasn't great in a Reca.

https://www.audioasylum.com/messages/vinyl/743309/reson-reca-stylus-a-warning

Charlie

I have a Reca, and tried a 1042 stylus some years ago.
Because it (the 1042 stylus) was recommended by one of the sales guys at a well respected dealership I thought it might have legs.
The 1042 stylus was returned by the end of the day, and I ended up having to shell out considerably more for the Reson stylus.
The 1042 is not a drop in replacement for the Reca stylus.

My Reca is now retired, as the stylus needs replacement, new stylii are almost unobtainium, and mega bucks if you can source one :(

DNM Reson Reca - best MM I've ever used.
Goldring 1042 - nowhere near as good as the Reson Reca, but an alright cartridge.

[Yomanze]

As with all of these things YMMV etc., here's a thread where people have been happy with the D42 with direct comparison with the Reca stylus: https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=52315

[topoxforddoc]

I have a Reca, and tried a 1042 stylus some years ago.
Because it (the 1042 stylus) was recommended by one of the sales guys at a well respected dealership I thought it might have legs.
The 1042 stylus was returned by the end of the day, and I ended up having to shell out considerably more for the Reson stylus.
The 1042 is not a drop in replacement for the Reca stylus.

My Reca is now retired, as the stylus needs replacement, new stylii are almost unobtainium, and mega bucks if you can source one :(

DNM Reson Reca - best MM I've ever used.
Goldring 1042 - nowhere near as good as the Reson Reca, but an alright cartridge.

Just wondering, anyone know if Wyndham Hodgson might retip your old Reca stylus assembly?

[Stratmangler]

You can still get replacement stylii, but at 450 Swiss Francs they're not cheap https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&sp=nmt4&u=http://www.reson.ch/de/Ersatznadeln/reson-Tonabnehmer/Plattenspieler/ENRECA

[topoxforddoc]

450 ChF - thats about £340 - similar to a replacement Ortofon 2M Black stylus

[Yomanze]

That’s a lot of money to use an oval peg... Do you think the Roksan Corus stylii are different too? People upgrade their Roksan carts to D42s too...


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[jusbe]

Aye. Better off just buying a new, complete Goldring 1042, on which the Reson Reca was based.