ESL 57s will be added to my system soon. What to expect?

[Rosewind]

I will soon have some Quad ESL 57 speakers in my small study where they will be used in a way not unlike stereo headphones. They will (1) either be elevated and slanted downwards to my listeing position or (2) "bolted to the wall" (perhaps on some TV mounting thingees).They will replace a set of 47 laboratory 4722 Lens speakers that I have been very happy with. But the temptation to get myself a pair of Quad ESL 57s for my system was too big.

The rest of my set-up in my main listening rig is:
EAR 912 pre
Amcron D150 Series 2 SS amp (due for repair as it distorts heavily after only one month in my room) ---> much later I supose that I will have finished my FirstWatt F4 build or have bought myself an EAR power amp.
Amazon Audio Reference with Morch UP-4 unipivot arm and Benz Micro Gullwing SLR
B&O Beocord 6500 Cassette Deck
Audio Note CDT Zero Transport + Audio Note Dac 3 1x (old style).

I hope the ESL 57s wil be to my liking. What can I expect from the ESL 57s that Magnepan MC1s (Wall mounted speakers) or Magnepan 1.7 speakers did not get me?
I have had both in my tiny room - with an entirely different set-up, however.

[Barry]

Well done on your new acquisition Peter.

I'm a big fan of the Quad 57s - I've used no other for the last forty-five years. They are not perfect and have some serious shortcomings, but I can forgive (or put up with) them for the aspects of sound reproduction which they do do well and which are important to me.

However you will not get the best out of them if you hang them on a wall. Having a dipole radiation pattern, they need at least a metre of clear space behind them. And you need to position the speakers so the centre strip tweeter 'fires' directly towards you.

Some users say the Quads are fussy or difficult to drive, but most modern SS amps will drive them well and virtually all valve amplifiers (both modern and vintage) will do the same. I have had success with the Quad valve units; Quad 303; Quad 405 (-2, or if -1, modified by replacing the input op-amp); Quad 510 monoblocks, Electrocompaniet "The Two Channel Amplifier"; Mark Levinson ML-2 monoblocks, and the valve Radford STA15 Mk.III.

Expect clear, neutral, natural reproduction, free from cabinet colouration; more than adequate frequency response; superb soundstaging and focus, and excellent transient response free from overhang. They can't be played loud so are a bit limited in their portrayal of dynamics, nor do they have subterranean bass.

[jandl100]

Based on my experience, don't necessarily dismiss the idea of wall mounting.
I agree that it would seem to be far from ideal for dipoles - but I once visited someone with Quad 63 speakers mounted actually in specially made wall recesses the same size as the speakers with their fronts flush to the wall. I thought to myself "that is going to sound awful" but actually the sound was very good. I have no idea why or how, but it worked fine.
Certainly worth a try with your 57s.

[Rosewind]

Thanks. :D

I have heard that they should be able to be used mounted on a wall. However, I wonder how this could be done. I am going to make room for them on either side of a window where they will span each their own corner slanted in towards my seat in front of a desk. I wonder if they could be mounted on TV mounts like this one: https://www.harald-nyborg.dk/p3685/vaegbeslag-lpa13-484c-sort

If not I will place them on top of bookshelves leaning in on me.

Here's a photo of wall-mounted ones: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WEPgSYqlyaRj0BmbJkXn3JDASC12gH4M/view?usp=sharing

[jandl100]

Here are the Quads of AOS's very own Alan / Firebottle

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/Paramotorpilot/P1030281.jpg?t=1375011811&hotlinkfix=1512022367585

[Rosewind]

How have they been "anchored" there? I see some wire going to the ceiling, but how have they been mounted on the wall?

Nice to see that it can be done. Mine will be mounted in a similar way but angled in more.

[jandl100]

They's just a hangin' by those wires! :eek:

Not heard the setup myself, but is reliably said to be very good indeed.

[wee tee cee]

I agree with everything so far mentioned. I would be having a look at one thing audio. You really want to put a protection circuit in them and the widget seems to make a nice but very incremental improvement with my SS amp.

Im now running supertweeters velcroed on the rear firing vertically- works very well IMHO.

You will adore them if you want a headphone like sound.

[wee tee cee]

Forgot to mention raise them up off the floor-ota do sell rupert stand but try a pair of chairs first.

[Rosewind]

I Think mine would be placed with a similar distance between them as Alan's but "toed" in more towards my listening spot. As for widgets , I don't know if mine will come with them.

I would like to see a shot of how Alan has attached the wires to the backsides of the ESL 57s, so I can replicate that. I have a wood ceiling which would make it fairly easy to screw wire hooks on. I just have to make sure that the Weight of the ESLs doesn't make ceiling fall down.

[brian2957]

I heard Alan's system , with the speakers in this position , in January and it sounds very good indeed . A bit of a shock when you first clap eyes on them though :wow:

[Barry]

Based on my experience, don't necessarily dismiss the idea of wall mounting.
I agree that it would seem to be far from ideal for dipoles - but I once visited someone with Quad 63 speakers mounted actually in specially made wall recesses the same size as the speakers with their fronts flush to the wall. I thought to myself "that is going to sound awful" but actually the sound was very good. I have no idea why or how, but it worked fine.
Certainly worth a try with your 57s.

I have seen Quad 57s positioned in alcoves each side of a chimney breast and close to the wall, but there was sound absorbing material fixed to the wall behind the speakers. The 57s can be used close to a wall but there must be some sound absorbing material used between the speaker and the wall. However too get the best performance from the Quads there is no substitute for free space.

Also the treble dispersion in the vertical plane is poor (the beam width is only about 7 degrees), so to avoid the 'letter box' effect the speaker pannels have to positioned so they aim at your ears when sat in your listening position. The dispersion in the horizontal plane is fine (beamwidth is 35 degrees), so to say the Quads only have one 'sweet spot' and can be enjoyed by only one persion is a bit of an exaggeration.

One other thing which I neglected to mention is the limit to the voltage swing produced by the amplifier. The voltage limit is 33V peak, or about 20V (rms), which implies a maximum power of 50W. It would be wise to check the maximum voltage swing your Amcron amplifier can produce.

[Rosewind]

Thanks. I wll look into sound absorbers for corner placement. I like the idea of hanging it from the ceiling. I will check into the amp measurements, too.

[Firebottle]

I'll post a picture up of how I attach the suspension cables tomorrow :)

[Rosewind]

Thanks very much Alan. Much appreciated!

[Vinyl turner]

I Think mine would be placed with a similar distance between them as Alan's but "toed" in more towards my listening spot. As for widgets , I don't know if mine will come with them.

I would like to see a shot of how Alan has attached the wires to the backsides of the ESL 57s, so I can replicate that. I have a wood ceiling which would make it fairly easy to screw wire hooks on. I just have to make sure that the Weight of the ESLs doesn't make ceiling fall down.

If you are careful & can be bothered to figure it out - you should be able to determine where the ceiling joists are above, usually spaced something like 400-450mm centres.
Rather than just screwing through the timber you may be able to optimise the positioning to achieve a really solid fix into the joists above.
If you can't be bothered or have a decent access above the ceiling - then screw/bolt through the ceiling but place some form of batten or patress in the gap between the celling/floor joists to fix through or into (it just helps to spread the weight across a wider area & less likely to rip your ceiling down - difference between a point load and a UDL).

[Rosewind]

I will try to elevate the ESL 57s on shelves first. It will not be as elegant-looking as hanging them from the ceiling, but it will do the trick while also preserving some shelf space for books behind them. And the books may well work as dampeners?

If that does not work well or it is inconvenient, I will resort to suspending them from the ceiling. And not to worry: I will make sure that this will be done securely as a lasting thing. My wife would not tread lightly, if the ceiling in my office came down because I hadn't been careful enough.

[hornucopia]

Old memories for me.
When I started my cafe in ....'79!....I worked partly at home (at night/early mornings) and had ELSs on my long work surface....JUST like giant headphones!
Amazing sounds. Incredible detail. They don't seem to get loud, just clearer (until you hear them from next room, being LOUD!)
They should be lovely. I remember Boz Scaggs sounding great. Funny how things stick.





Then I got Klipschorns in '81........until 97.

[Rosewind]

I hope for the giant heaphone effect surely! Thanks for the story.

EDIT: Has anyone driven ESL 57s with a small Triode amp like the Audio Note One kit amp? Is sports a mere 7.5 watts.

[Firebottle]

Sorry for the delay but here are a couple of pics showing the method of suspension.
I have used some large eye bolts:

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:)

[Firebottle]

EDIT: Has anyone driven ESL 57s with a small Triode amp like the Audio Note One kit amp? Is sports a mere 7.5 watts.

I have driven mine with a low power OTL amp. It puts out 6W into 8 ohms so in fact probably puts out nearer 7.5W at the mid band impedance of 10 ohms, plus a little more at the bass end where the impedance is greater.

Not deafening levels but pretty loud.

[Rosewind]

Thanks. My room is very small at 3.7 metres by 2.7 metres (or so), so deafening levels are not required.

Also thanks for the photos. Nice to see that it can be done (and how). Much apprecciated!

[Rosewind]

Here is a link to an interesting power amp that I am thinking of pairing with my Quad ESL 57s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8bWHNi4E8&feature=youtu.be

It is an BTH A1A valve power amp, one of two mono blocks - the other one is faulty but will be repaired. The seller shot this very short video of the working one. The story is that the two were once used by the BBC and somehow ended up in Aarhus, Denmark some 30 years ago. The seller bought them and renovated them himself fitting new valve sockets and adding a switch that would let the valves be kept warm without sucking up power when idle for a long period.

I will go down to have a look and snap some photos of them. I would like them to be as original as possible with regard to circuit, transformers etc., but if implemented correctly, I won't mind the added switch for lowering power consumption when idle.

[Barry]

Those BTH amps were very well made and used good quality transformers. I would expect them to work well with your Quad 57s. :)

[Rosewind]

I hope so. I have now fixed the Link.

[Rosewind]

The BTH A1A amp was too untidy to warrant a closer encounter. Instead I have bought a safer bet: an EAR 869 that I hope will be a good match with the Quad ESL 57s (upgraded with One Thing Audio bass panels).

I have asked the sellers of both the ESL57s and the EAR 869 not to ship the boxes until after the Christmas hustle bustle. I feel that is safer. This means that I will receive them during the first week of January. In the meantime, I will rearrnge my room to accomodate the Quad ESL 57s. That should be fun!

[Rosewind]

I have now placed the Quad ESL 57s on top of book shelves. I have to figure out how to tilt them forward and angle them without endagering the ESL 57s and me. This will have to wait for now. I will still hook them up soon to have a listen - I can do with some background music while doing the rest.

I have changed my room around completely and I have had to sift through books, papers, poems, cables, cds and what not to clear some space in order for me to enjoy my new set-up with the ESL 57s. For now I have a set of EAR 509s and an EAR 869 in the house. The 509s will soon be on their way to EAR for some TLC prior to coming to a new home in the UK. This only if the transformers and the chokes are alright. So I am crossing my fingers.

I just received the EAR 869 last Wednesday and the ESL 57s Thursday so i could only hook them up in the loivingroom with my old Sony DVD-Recorder as a source. However, I liked what I heard. But I can't wait for a chance to compare the 509s and the 869.

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[jandl100]

Photos not showing for me. :(

[Rosewind]

Thanks Jerry. And sorry. I will try to fix tomorrow.

[Rosewind]

They show on my iPad and Windows computer but NOT on my Android phone. :scratch:

[jandl100]

Curious - mine is a Windows laptop PC and still no-show, not on my Sony phone either. :(

[Macca]

Also on Windows and can't see 'em.

[struth]

they are google content pics so op will see them if he is signed in to google. we wont tho. dont know if its possible for us to or not.. maybe permissions on pictures can be changed

[Rosewind]

Link to photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/e3iDbqAf0B8nSEIX2

[jandl100]

Wow - excellent!

I expect an impressive sound once you've got them sorted!

here ya go. :)

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[Audio Al]

You will need to angle them down so the pannels are directed towards you and not the celing , 57's have a sweet spot

[jandl100]

;)


I have now placed the Quad ESL 57s on top of book shelves. I have to figure out how to tilt them forward and angle them without endagering the ESL 57s and me. This will have to wait for now.

[Audio Al]

;)

:);):ner:

[Rosewind]

Thanks Jerry.
My first attempt to position them will be to put them on legs that make them tip forward and then fix them to the wall with shelf supports at the top.
Next up will be to strap them to the ceiling (beams) - not the thin wooden ceiling like this:

https://i.imgur.com/56AkfW4.jpg

[wee tee cee]

They do tend to prefer some breathing space behind them....maybe 80cm-1m.

What about trying them on chairs!

Mind and leave them on for a good while to let them charge up.

Looking good though!

[Barry]

You will need to angle them down so the pannels are directed towards you and not the celing , 57's have a sweet spot

They are going to sound awful like that. The Quad 57s have a vertical beamwidth of only 7 degrees, and having them mounted on top of the shelf, that 7 degree beam is going to be directed over the top of your head and not towards your ears.

Also, being a dipole, you will need at least 1m (preferably 2m) separation between the rear of the speaker and the wall.

[Rosewind]

It depends on where I sit and how much I am going to tilt the ESL 57s, I'm sure. And the beam width isn't as bad as all that. It is 15 degrees. On the green forum a gentleman showed me a drawing of the vertical dispersion of the treble panels. Here it is:

https://i.imgur.com/LRZQLe3.jpg

But it shall all be revealed when I have wired the speakers to the walls and have had a listen. You are welcome to sail across the North Sea for a listening session!:D

[Rosewind]

Photos in this popst reposted below using imgur. Thanks!

[jandl100]

Photos in the last post not showing, Peter.

[Rosewind]

I have no idea why my images won't show. I use google photo, copy the direct link that ends in "no". To the image address, I have also tried to add "?.jpg" as described in one of the help posts on the interweb. Neither option works for me. The images show up fine for a while on my computer but then they "regress" into nothing or [IMG]. Puzzling.

[jandl100]

I use www.imgur.com.
Works well for me.

[walpurgis]

Try using tinypic. It's free and no account needed: http://tinypic.com/

I explained how to use it yesterday:

http://i64.tinypic.com/rs7g41.png

[Rosewind]

Thanks to all: Using imgur, I will repost the images:

https://i.imgur.com/48j0QnB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZN6aI65.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nPORoOq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pK6ZWoE.jpg

I will use the Quad ESL 57s tilted forward by attaching wires going from the wall to the two metal holders placed at either top corner of the speakers. On the bottom of each speaker I have attached 4 soft rubber feet. I will test this to see if I need to fix the speakers at the bottom as well.

[Barry]

It depends on where I sit and how much I am going to tilt the ESL 57s, I'm sure. And the beam width isn't as bad as all that. It is 15 degrees. On the green forum a gentleman showed me a drawing of the vertical dispersion of the treble panels. Here it is:

https://i.imgur.com/LRZQLe3.jpg

But it shall all be revealed when I have wired the speakers to the walls and have had a listen. You are welcome to sail across the North Sea for a listening session!:D

Apologies - I was careless with my notation. I should have said the vertical dispersion is +/- 7.5 degree about an axis normal to the speaker (or a total beamwidth of 15 degree), just as the horizontal dispersion is +/- 35 degree (or a beamwidth of 70 degree); as you have shown in the diagram above.

https://mniec.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/quad-esl57-user-manual-page0010.jpg

The vertical dispersion for the Quad speaker will be poor because the treble unit consists of a thin vertical strip, about 2.5cm wide, running the height of the speaker forming a line source, which will have a vertical beam width inversely proportional to the height, and a horizontal beamwidth inversely proportional to the width of the source. Thus the dispersion in the vertical plane will be poor, whereas the dispersion in the horizontal plane is quite good.

This is an oft-quoted criticism of the Quad 57 speaker - the sound appears to be projected from a 'letter box'-shaped window. The original speakers were designed at a time when listeners sat in chairs taller than those used today. Thus, unless the speakers are tilted down slightly, the treble 'beam' no longer points towards the ears but is directed over the head.

I have been using Quad 57 speakers for at least forty years and have them tilted slightly forward so the treble is directed at ear height when sat in my listening position (about 3.5 metre away from the speakers). If I stand up, the treble level drops noticeably .

Placing the speakers on a high shelf as you propose, you are unlikely to hear the treble properly, unless you tilt them down significantly.

The Quad speakers both deserve and benefit from careful positioning in the room.

Happy experimenting!

[Rosewind]

Barry.

I will have to try it out. As you can see from the photos below, I have angled and tilted the Quad ESLs. If I look up from my chair I am looking right into the middle of the Quad ESL 57s. It remains to be seen whether a position 4-5 feet further back will have moved me outside the sweet spot. Thanks for the clarification.

https://i.imgur.com/CrjNSqhl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Gh9Euu7l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7Z2B6e1l.jpg

[Barry]

That will certainly improve the frequency balance: I have mine set up so from my listening position each speaker is 'square on' as you describe.

The only problem I see with your arrangement is that the sound stage will appear elevated and the musicians unnaturally tall; but I can't speak from experience. Let us know how you get on. :)

[Rosewind]

Barry.

You are right that the ESL 57s need to be angled down towards me quite a lot and rather precisely, otherwise the treble energy disappears. The right ESL 57 wasn't angled down enough so it sounded like it wasn't working. I had to take off the long wire on it in order to enable it to be angled down enough. But then I must say that it is like wearing giant headphones indeed.

I am listening to Leonard Cohen's OLD IDEAS and YOU WANT IT DARKER albums. It is as if I am right in the music. It is a similar experience as when I had Magnepans 1.7s in here however, these does not sound quite a resolved/bright at the end of the EAR 869 as the Magnepans sounded with solid state amps.

I suppose that the limited treble extension of the Quad ESL 57 also helps. However, because I am an old man, I probably don't miss anything abover 14-15Khz, sad as that may be. The Magnepans did something to my ears. Most likely because of their highy resolved treble panels. The Quad 57s sound as good but without making my ears ring.

[steveharman]

Hi Peter,

It starts with a pair of ESL57s. Then it becomes a stacked pair. Then you end up extending your house so the 4 x ESLs in their stacked frame can do justice to the room. LOL! Ah, happy days. I don't have my ESL57 stack any more but if I find some photos I'll stick them on here.

Paul at Classique Sounds in Leicester (http://www.classiquesounds.co.uk/main.htm) supplied the woodwork. He also offers some fantastic looking stands which IIRC were from http://onethingaudio.net/index.html ?

Enjoy your speakers, they're fantastic and very revealing. And if you get fed up with people asking if they're radiators or you happen to dent the grilles, Paul / OneThing can supply acoustically neutral covers.

Steve

[Rosewind]

Thanks Steve. I have not finished placing the speakers yet. I will do that this coming weekend.