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montesquieu
13-11-2017, 21:35
Just read an absolutely wonderful piece in The Atlantic ... I don't normaly post links but this one is really worth a read.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/what-happens-if-china-makes-first-contact/544131/
Aliens always come to Washington DC in the movies?
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montesquieu
13-11-2017, 21:51
Well in this movie the come to Beijing ....
After reading the article, which is a good article well worth reading! But they are only listening for alien signals, they are not broadcasting with this antenna. I suppose it begs the question, if they hear from someone, what will they do with this information? Chances are, some idiot will want to send a return signal.
Personally I think that SETI is incorrect in their thinking, chances are that a space fairing race will not communicate with radio waves. Too much interference from natural phenomena, and it’s just too slow. If we hear a signal, it could be thousands of years old, and a return massage will take thousands of more years to get back, so, little for us to worry about really.
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After reading the article, which is a good article well worth reading! But they are only listening for alien signals, they are not broadcasting with this antenna. I suppose it begs the question, if they hear from someone, what will they do with this information? Chances are, some idiot will want to send a return signal.
Personally I think that SETI is incorrect in their thinking, chances are that a space fairing race will not communicate with radio waves. Too much interference from natural phenomena, and it’s just too slow. If we hear a signal, it could be thousands of years old, and a return massage will take thousands of more years to get back, so, little for us to worry about really.
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Also once a civilisation moves from analogue to digital transmission, when a digital signal strength falls below the background noise level it cannot be reconstructed, unlike that of an analogue signal.
walpurgis
14-11-2017, 20:49
Just send them a letter, 'Royal Mail Special Delivery'. Next day is guaranteed! ;)
I suspect that a space fairing race would have mastered Quantum Entanglement, to send messages instantly over any distance. If you are traveling near the speed of light or faster, a radio signal would never catch up to you, you’d be outrunning it. And therefore worthless. So if we did make radio contact with a planet 500 light years away, it would take a thousand years for a radio signal to get there, and for the reply to get back. A very slow conversation. And chances are those transmitting wouldn’t be anymore farther along than us, and we would never meet. So every cent spent on SETI, could have been donated to me, and I’d have put it to much better use!
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I suspect that a space fairing race would have mastered Quantum Entanglement, to send messages instantly over any distance. If you are traveling near the speed of light or faster, a radio signal would never catch up to you, you’d be outrunning it. And therefore worthless. So if we did make radio contact with a planet 500 light years away, it would take a thousand years for a radio signal to get there, and for the reply to get back. A very slow conversation. And chances are those transmitting wouldn’t be anymore farther along than us, and we would never meet. So every cent spent on SETI, could have been donated to me, and I’d have put it to much better use!
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What, even an analogue radio signal, but surely they are the best/fastest......
RothwellAudio
15-11-2017, 10:33
...if they hear from someone, what will they do with this information? Chances are, some idiot will want to send a return signal.
What's idiotic about that? Surely it would be rude not to. We don't want aliens thinking we haven't been brought up proper.
...chances are that a space fairing race will not communicate with radio waves. Too much interference from natural phenomena, and it’s just too slow.
They travel at the speed of light - best anyone can do, as far as we know.
They are experimenting with Quantum Entanglement, something Einstein theorized many years ago, and I don’t pretend to know all about it. But basically somehow two atoms are linked. And no matter how far apart they get, if you change the polarity of one, the polarity of the other will change too, instantly. Whether they are across the room, across the galaxy or across the universe, when one changes the other one does too, instantly. So, if you line up 8 of these atoms, you’ve got a digital word, with one set on earth and one set in a spaceship, communications can be instantaneous no matter how far away it gets. I saw on a Science channel show that successful experiments are being conducted right now! So in 50years a working device may very well exist.
And any space fairing race will have to figure out faster than light travel, light speed is just way too slow to get anywhere. Either that, or live forever so the time doesn’t matter. There are many theories today on ways to defeat the light speed limitation, (warp bubbles, worm holes, etc.), so a space fairing race a thousand years more advanced than us may very well have figured it all out, because even a .999% the speed of light is extremely slow if we ever want to get anywhere within a human lifetime. The Voyager space craft is at the edge of our solar system, has been flying since the late 70’s, and radio transmissions to it take over 15 hours! So to send it a message, and wait for it’s response, takes over 30 hours! And it’s still hasn’t gone anywhere yet. If this is reality, if this is as fast as anyone could ever go, then contacting another race is even more futile, if we did find an alien signal, what could we ever do with it? A return signal wouldn’t reach then in our lifetime, and we will never meet anyway, the distances just too great to cross. And as the article speaks about, many so called experts claim that any broadcast to tell the universe, “here we are!”, would be an invitation to be conquered by a superior race. If they had the ability to get here, then there is no way we could ever defend ourselves from such an advanced civilization, not like Colonials and Indians, more like an aardvark and an ant colony.
And if you are traveling at light speed, and are some light years away from home, if they send a radio message at light speed, it will be moving at the same speed as you, so it will never catch up to you to be received. Not just my humble opinion, that’s just math.
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https://youtu.be/ZlgyxQJHHcY
Excellent series of videos by this chap on Science and Futurism Tom.
Check them out - this one is "Where Is Everybody?".
They get our messages allright, and all our radio and TV shows too. They just ignore the messages in the same way we ignore e-mails from Nigerian princes wanting help getting £2 million out of the bank.
Reminds me of that episode of Futurama where the aliens only bother to come to Earth because they are unhappy that Ali McBeal has been cancelled.
montesquieu
15-11-2017, 13:36
https://youtu.be/ZlgyxQJHHcY
Excellent series of videos by this chap on Science and Futurism Tom.
Check them out - this one is "Where Is Everybody?".
Looks cool will listen tonight.
The Chinese were quite late into sci-fi. For one of my wife's previous books (an edited volume of articles from an academic conference she hosted) I recall editing the the English of an article that had been originaly written in Chinese, about Zheng Kun-wu, one of the the first Chinese language sci-fi authors, writing in the 1920s and 1920s (though he was writing in Taiwan, at that time part of the Japanese empire - it was ruled by Japan from 1895 to 1945).
Zheng was a great fan of Jules Verne and HG Wells, and there's an interesting aspect to this in that many western scientific concepts didn't really have Chinese equivalents at that time and the early sci-fi works ended up taking their vocabulary mainly from the popular press, where the expressions used often reflected a very Chinese way of looking at the world (notably in how modern scientific ideas interacted with older Chinese concepts and language around things like 'sky' and 'heaven', something that evolved in the West over a much longer time period).
Anyway the trilogy of novels by Liu Cixin arrived today so I'll be getting stuck into reading. :)
Haselsh1
15-11-2017, 13:44
Just write down a load of ones and noughts, pop it in a bottle and get some big butch bugger to chuck it out of the ISS. China are bound to get it first as it doesn't rely on electricity at the wrong voltage.
;)
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 14:06
Why worry? There are no aliens. There is no life anywhere else in the universe and life on Earth is a fluke or even a mistake, which will fizzle out eventually and universal normality will resume.
Even considering the idea of visitors from far away in space is just fanciful thinking!
RothwellAudio
15-11-2017, 14:48
Why worry? There are no aliens. There is no life anywhere else in the universe and life on Earth is a fluke or even a mistake, which will fizzle out eventually and universal normality will resume.
Even considering the idea of visitors from far away in space is just fanciful thinking!
Not sure if that was serious or not. :scratch:
My take on it is this: given the billions and billions of stars out there and the unbelievable enormity of the universe, how could there not be other life forms? Yes, there's life on other planets, but it's probably so far away that we'll never get to meet.
More interesting is what the people on earth would consider to be "significant" life. If a few microbes are found somewhere, people on earth are likely to show little interest. If a few primitive plants are found, people on earth are likely to show little interest except for maybe the possibility that they could be harvested and used. What if animals that couldn't talk or build things were discovered? Again, not a lot of respect from Earthlings but maybe interest in farming them for food.
But what if the life form was so super-intelligent that we appeared to be "dumb animals" to them? Now it's getting interesting! We might end up being farmed for food. Karmic payback?
Anyway, the human race is so self-absorbed that the only life forms that would really interest us would have to be pretty much exactly like us - which is ironic given that the planet is full of creatures pretty much exactly like us (we call them "foreigners") and we spend much of our time waging war against them.
If the aliens have any sense they'll stay away!
jandl100
15-11-2017, 14:55
We've been a technological society for about 200 years.
The universe as a whole has been around for 14,000,000,000 years.
Any other technological society that is around will almost certainly be so advanced from us as to be literally inconceivable by our humble ape brains.
So the idea of pointing a radio telescope and expecting to detect another civilisation is frankly ludicrous. Their comprehension of science and technology will very likely be totally beyond our grasp.
The chances of us detecting an alien civilisation that just happens to be at the same level (and therefore uses something like the same technological tools) must be miniscule even if the universe is full of intelligent life.
It's the inconceivably vast extent of time rather than distance or speed that constrains the likelihood of detecting any aliens.
160 billion alien planets in our home galaxy. one hundred billion galaxies. has to be or have been some. Whether we meet is another matter.
there is an equation for these odds... its called the Drake equation.
jandl100
15-11-2017, 15:10
Going back to the original OP, the Chinese are doing astonishing things technologically.
"The West" is no longer the sole player, in fact, the Chinese, largely unencumbered by a widespread more backward technical infrastructure as we are, are happily leapfrogging the West.
We are going to have to get used to playing 2nd fiddle in the science game.
The best hope we have is to team up with the Chinese in terms of scientific and technological advance, imo.
RothwellAudio
15-11-2017, 15:13
Any other technological society that is around will almost certainly be so advanced from us as to be literally inconceivable by our humble ape brains.
Why so far ahead? Why not far behind? Surely there would be a spread of evolutionary advancement - some ahead and some behind.
jandl100
15-11-2017, 15:16
Why so far ahead? Why not far behind? Surely there would be a spread of evolutionary advancement - some ahead and some behind.
I'm assuming a technological society - we couldn't contact them otherwise.
We just happen to have kicked off, say, 200 years ago.
Aliens have had 14 billion years over which they could have got started in the technological game.
Therefore they are FAR more likely to be MUCH older than us, and therefore more advanced.
RothwellAudio
15-11-2017, 15:26
Ah yes, I see your point. Still, they wouldn't have appeared and started on their technological development 5 minutes after the big bang.
jandl100
15-11-2017, 15:36
True, that was a simplification!
Nonetheless, what's a billion years, or even ten billion, here or there?
Likelihood is that an alien technology would be totally beyond our understanding.
montesquieu
15-11-2017, 16:04
It's the inconceivably vast extent of time rather than distance or speed that constrains the likelihood of detecting any aliens.
This. Our moment as a technological society is very very short in cosmological terms.
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 16:11
Not sure if that was serious or not. :scratch:
Of course it is. Why would I believe in the existence of something for which there is not the tiniest shred of evidence?
There is more 'proof' that the Tooth Fairy exists!
RothwellAudio
15-11-2017, 16:25
Of course it is. Why would I believe in the existence of something for which there is not the tiniest shred of evidence?
There is more 'proof' that the Tooth Fairy exists!
Simply the odds. What are the chances that there are umpteen billion planets with no life on them and just one planet with life on it? Seems unlikely to me.
Of course it is. Why would I believe in the existence of something for which there is not the tiniest shred of evidence?
There is more 'proof' that the Tooth Fairy exists!
The mathematical evidence is pretty overwhelming. Even if life on Earth is an aberration cause by sheer chance, and no matter how remote that chance, the universe is so big that the existence of other intelligent life is a mathematical certainty.
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 16:31
Simply the odds.
But there is nothing to weigh those odds against. Therefore nobody can say what odds (if any) there are.
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 16:33
The mathematical evidence is pretty overwhelming
Evidence? There is none. Figures used to suggest something are proof of nothing.
We know that intelligent life is possible since we have concrete evidence (us).
We know the size of the universe and how many galaxies, we can extrapolate from that how many suns, how many habitable planets.
Since it is a fact that intelligent life is possible, then with the other data you can work out the odds of there being more of it out there. And it turns out that the odds of there not being any other intelligent life are infinitesimal.
There are believed to be 700 million trillion , or so I here, terrestrial planets in the known universe. It is possible we are the only one ever or now but odds are there will be some or have been.
But we will never likely know
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 16:42
We know that intelligent life is possible since we have concrete evidence (us).
Which, as I said. Is a fluke!
RothwellAudio
15-11-2017, 16:46
Which, as I said. Is a fluke!
How do you know it's a fluke?
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 16:54
How do you know it's a fluke?
It's what I believe. So state that as a fact from my point of view.
Which, as I said. Is a fluke!
But that is my point. Even if it is a fluke the universe is so big that it is a mathematical certainty that there will have been other flukes. The only way that could not be the case is if we did not exist either. We do, so I'm afraid the logic is watertight.
RothwellAudio
15-11-2017, 17:01
It's what I believe. So state that as a fact from my point of view.
Surely you're joking now? Your opinions are "facts"?
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 17:04
the logic is watertight.
Not so. An individual's 'logic' can be anything. It's wide open to interpretation.
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 17:09
Surely you're joking now? Your opinions are "facts"?
Until I'm given cause to suspect they are not, they are to me.
jandl100
15-11-2017, 17:11
Why let Geoff hijack the discussion?
He's stated his point of view.
OK. Move on.
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 17:15
He's stated his point of view
Which was questioned, so I responded. Hardly a hijack!
Pieoftheday
15-11-2017, 17:19
Also once a civilisation moves from analogue to digital transmission, when a digital signal strength falls below the background noise level it cannot be reconstructed, unlike that of an analogue signal.
What if they use a DAC though? There's lots to choose from;)
jandl100
15-11-2017, 17:30
Which was questioned, so I responded. Hardly a hijack!
Quite right.
The hijack was everyone else attempting to reason with your clearly intransigent views.
It ain't going nowhere, folks. Geoff is doing his deaf adder impression.
So a pointless endeavour.
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 17:32
deaf adder
All Adders are deaf!
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 17:34
The hijack was everyone else attempting to reason with your clearly intransigent views
Did you spot any flexibility in anybody else's point of view?
Pointless discussion anyway. Everyone knows Eisenhower had a sit down with the aliens back in the 1950s. Boundaries were established, alien bodies were handed back so their mothers could give them a decent burial; and there was the peace.
That big dish the Chinese have built isn't a radio telescope. It's a giant wok, they are going to attempt the Guinness world record for the biggest ever stir-fry. It will use 2 million gallons of sesame oil, creating a global shortage. So stock up now.
It illegal to show films about time travel in China
Light Dependant Resistor
15-11-2017, 18:12
It illegal to show films about time travel in China
So no Dr Who ?
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 18:14
No. But Dr No is allowed.
So no Dr Who ?
aparrently not. It was a question I got wrong today :doh:
It illegal to show films about time travel in China
'Back To The Future' is banned there. Time travel is a 'dangerous fictional element' and Marty McFly behaves 'irresponsibly'.
Seems reasonable enough. Just back away slowly and don't make eye contact.
Light Dependant Resistor
15-11-2017, 18:23
aparrently not. It was a question I got wrong today :doh:
Which errs a question if Dr Who has ever landed the Tardis in China, or would that too be strictly forbidden?
In 2011, the State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television issued a blanket ban on all media portraying time travel on the grounds that it was disrespectful to history. This announcement hinged not so much on a sudden decades late hatred for Back to the Future, but for contemporary Chinese TV shows and films depicting time travel in China that altered timelines and allowed for a sense of escapism and belief in the potential for change.
While Western films banned in China are typically banned based on political reasoning (as you can easily imagine, Seven Years in Tibet was banned instantly), there’s a long list of odd rulings. The Babe films are banned because they depict live-action talking animals. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest and Ghostbusters both got the ban hammer because of ghosts (portrayal of spirits is against the rules).
Mind you, classic single 'The Monster Mash' was banned by the BBC in 1962 for being 'too morbid.'
It was re-released in 1973 and was a graveyard smash.
Most of this discussion is covered by the video I posted and far more. You are just talking filters, gents.
The video is very cool. Watch and learn I say in a sort of derogatory fashion LOL.
Pieoftheday
15-11-2017, 19:39
Apparently there's a growing community that think we live in a computer simulation,so aliens are a mute point, well erm mebe not:scratch:
Let's hope it's not running windows 8
Pieoftheday
15-11-2017, 19:57
Let's hope it's not running windows 8
And who ever in charge of my character needs to buck up, I ain't winning!!!
And who ever in charge of my character needs to buck up, I ain't winning!!!
Mine's some old hippy fixated on Steely Dan and 1970s television.
If it is a video game it is some wank like 'Second Life'. Rather be in 'Jet Pack Willy' but what can you do?
It's bollocks, really, isn't it?
Pieoftheday
15-11-2017, 20:43
Mine's some old hippy fixated on Steely Dan and 1970s television.
If it is a video game it is some wank like 'Second Life'. Rather be in 'Jet Pack Willy' but what can you do?
It's bollocks, really, isn't it?
Probably, no more bollocks than God though:)
Apparently there's a growing community that think we live in a computer simulation,so aliens are a mute point, well erm mebe not:scratch:I wrote the code.
It gets very dodgy and sketchy the further away you get from planet earth and I just couldn't be arsed to do the aliens.
walpurgis
15-11-2017, 20:46
no more bollocks than God though:)
Think I've heard of that. What's it for?
montesquieu
15-11-2017, 20:48
The strongest case for being a simulation are the really idiotic things that happen, like Trump's election, or that Korean guy with the funny dancing. Or The Apprentice.
Anyway for some reason it makes me think of this sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ss-59fi4nM
Pieoftheday
15-11-2017, 20:53
Think I've heard of that. What's it for?
What's God for,? God knows.....
The strongest case for being a simulation are the really idiotic things that happen, like Trump's election, or that Korean guy with the funny dancing. Or The Apprentice.
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An event predicted in cartoon show 'The Simpsons' 16 years previously. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=simpsons+predicted+trump&qpvt=simpsons+predicted+trump&FORM=IGRE
Even the animated visuals are almost identical to the reality.
According to: http://www.astrodigital.org/astronomy/drake_equation.html, unless an alien civilisation within our galaxy started transmitting 21,000 years ago, we are not going to hear it. So it follows no alien civiliation is going to pick up our broadcast terrestrial signals for a long while yet.
Primalsea
15-11-2017, 23:43
No one ever seems to talk about the truely vast span of time involved. Yes there are billions of planets out there that could support life, or could have, or possibly will be able to. Many of these may not even exist yet and many have come and gone. The entire existance of the human race will come and go in what is really a very tiny instant compared to the entire time the universe will exist. An alien race will probably come and go in such a tiny instant to. I wonder what are the odds that there is another race in existence at the same time of us?
Mikeandvan
16-11-2017, 00:12
They'll convert them to communism, what else!
Of course, there’s always the possibility that the big dish antenna in China is not for SETI at all, just a smoke screen for the real reason it was built. To get free Cable TV!
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Minstrel SE
16-11-2017, 23:32
With 10 trillion galaxies in the Universe with 100 billion stars, mathematically there simply must be other planets capable of life.
We really are getting to the enough monkeys and enough typewriters = Shakespeare type of equation.
If we are the highest form of life, the Universe is in real trouble. Any being that does arrive here is going to treat us like vermin so we had better be careful what we wish for :)
We are seeing light from stars that originated before the Human race existed so we need to put this into perspective.
montesquieu
17-11-2017, 00:18
With 10 trillion galaxies in the Universe with 100 billion stars, mathematically there simply must be other planets capable of life.
We really are getting to the enough monkeys and enough typewriters = Shakespeare type of equation.
If we are the highest form of life, the Universe is in real trouble. Any being that does arrive here is going to treat us like vermin so we had better be careful what we wish for :)
Justin’s video on filters directly addresses this ... there are some big improbabilities without which at least out kind of life would never have emerged. String them together and that big number ‘filters’ down pretty rapidly. Well worth watching certainly were a few new ideas from my perspective.
jandl100
17-11-2017, 07:46
If we are the highest form of life, the Universe is in real trouble.
I suspect that the universe will carry on just fine with or without the likes of us, actually! ;)
I agree with Geoff (:eek:) that life is just an accident, where we part ways is that I don't think it is that unlikely a fluke.
Life started here quite soon after the Earth coalesced from sun-forming debris, so it surely can't be that unlikely a set of circumstances.
I think it is an incredibly unlikely set of circumstances that we did eventually appear. But with so many other potential places where this could happen in a similar way, there s a fair chance that it did at least once,at some time. its not just the huge amount of planets here but an immense timescale too. That doesn't just make it a must tho.
jandl100
17-11-2017, 08:36
Justin’s video on filters directly addresses this ... there are some big improbabilities without which at least out kind of life would never have emerged. String them together and that big number ‘filters’ down pretty rapidly. Well worth watching certainly were a few new ideas from my perspective.
I've just now watched that video - and with a growing amount of impatience.
A fundamental underlying assumption seems to be that, to put it simply, technology and technological progress is all about building bigger and better rockets.
That strikes me as very insular thinking based merely upon the current set of circumstances that we find our own society in.
After 200 years of technology we have built ourselves some fairly basic rockets.
We then assume that other civilisations which have existed thousands of times longer will have built, wow! HUGE rockets - and where the hell are they?
We have built some nifty cities and technology infrastructure - so extrapolate that a thousand fold and, once again WOW !! Just imagine. So where are they?
But that is very limited thinking based on the premise that 'progress' is linear, when in fact it is very far from that.
-- the next great idea comes along and ZAP the whole ball game changes.
Like Terry Pratchett put it when Earthlings complained about umpteen trillion tons of comet ice about to impact Earth and destroy us, the Creator responded by saying "What, are you lot still there, haven't you discovered Slood yet?"
Well, my premise is that there are a lot of Slood type things, which are game changers and which we haven't got a clue about yet.
So failing to detect bigger and better rockets or technological infrastructure is irrelevant. Although I am not in a position to give details about why as we haven't yet come across any Slood!
walpurgis
17-11-2017, 08:50
From my point of view, I'm quite happy to say that life does not exist anywhere else in the universe and as I suggested before, life on earth is merely a transitory accident that will cease comparatively soon in the grand scale of things.
Humans will never contact any non-terrestrial entity, 'cos there ain't none! Migration to other worlds is just a schoolboy imagining that can never occur. Eventually, long after humanity has disappeared, the sun will go supernova and engulf the earth, which will then become an insignificant cinder! (as opposed to the insignificant blob of mud, water and rock that it is now)
jandl100
17-11-2017, 10:18
Whoops - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interstellar-message-beamed-to-nearby-exoplanet/
Interstellar Message Beamed to Nearby Exoplanet - The radio signal directed at a world 12 light-years away included music and math lessons from Earth
Expect the alien invasion fleet to arrive in 25 years! :eek:
Whoops - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interstellar-message-beamed-to-nearby-exoplanet/
Interstellar Message Beamed to Nearby Exoplanet - The radio signal directed at a world 12 light-years away included music and math lessons from Earth
Expect the alien invasion fleet to arrive in 25 years! :eek:
That’s about right, in 25 years I won’t care one way or the other! Let them have it!
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Whoops - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/interstellar-message-beamed-to-nearby-exoplanet/
Interstellar Message Beamed to Nearby Exoplanet - The radio signal directed at a world 12 light-years away included music and math lessons from Earth
Expect the alien invasion fleet to arrive in 25 years! :eek:
That is where we are going wrong. We are sending music and messages of friendship, the aliens get them and think 'They seem like pleasant people' and carry on with their own business. What we should be doing is hurling abuse and insults at them, that should have them round here and banging on the door in no time.
If they have any taste, aliens will, upon discovering the record aboard the Voyager satellite, no-doubt send a message: "Urgent, please send more Chuck Berry." :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record
jandl100
27-11-2017, 22:37
Aliens? - so where are they?
Check out this article :stalks:
http://nautil.us/issue/42/fakes/is-physical-law-an-alien-intelligence
Surprised to hear Dr B. Cox say that he s inclined to believe we are alone and life starting on earth was indeed a freak of nature.
Think myself he s probably wrong but interesting that a scientist has these views. If there is life out there wonder what the hifi s
like, sound staging could be immense with plenty of space around !
walpurgis
27-11-2017, 23:36
Surprised to hear Dr B. Cox say that he s inclined to believe we are alone and life starting on earth was indeed a freak of nature.
Echoes my view.
Surprised to hear Dr B. Cox say that he s inclined to believe we are alone and life starting on earth was indeed a freak of nature.
!
Anyone who thinks that life started here on Earth quite by accident, does not understand the complexities of DNA. The chances of DNA happening by accident are similar to a wind storm blowing through a junk yard and accidentally building an Airbus A-380!
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jandl100
30-11-2017, 06:44
Yes, in fact the laws of physics seem disconcertingly fine-tuned for the existence of life as we know it. A smidgeon different here or there and no us.
But maybe something else?
So...
God?
We live in a simulation whose goals include life? (same thing as God, really; universe created to allow our existence)
Multiple / parallel universes and we are in one of the tiny minority where we can be?
Infinite big bang cycles, and we are in one where we can be?
Something else?
Guys, at the moment this discussion is fine, but could you please remember that there are members with religious beliefs (count me in as a practising Catholic) who may find some of the comments here offensive to their Christian faith, not least this:
Probably, no more bollocks than God though...
Therefore, please refrain from making any further remarks of that nature - indeed if any are posted, they will simply be deleted. Cheers :cool:
Marco.
Anyone who thinks that life started here on Earth quite by accident, does not understand the complexities of DNA. The chances of DNA happening by accident are similar to a wind storm blowing through a junk yard and accidentally building an Airbus A-380!
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Professor cox has clarified his position by stating there s quite likely to be organism type life around but we MAY be the only advanced civilisations
in our Milky Way.. He also says there could well be more advanced civilisations than ours in other galaxies. Nice post early doors by you Russell on
this subject btw, very interesting.
RothwellAudio
30-11-2017, 09:33
Aliens? - so where are they?
Check out this article :stalks:
http://nautil.us/issue/42/fakes/is-physical-law-an-alien-intelligence
A quote from that article:
"...yet it would neatly explain why we have yet to see advanced intelligence in the cosmos around us..."
Eh? Here's another explanation:
It's too bl**dy far away!
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