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Bigman80
06-11-2017, 16:33
For the first time ever, I am completely perplexed as to what to say about an addition to my system. This isn’t because its crap, its because I can’t think of a way to describe the effect it has had. I originally heard one of these on a visit to Phonomac’s abode. His system is all solid state and I wrongly assumed that the stunningly focused sound he had achieved was purely down to that. I became suspicious of my own equipment, thinking I hadn’t bought as well as I thought when I returned home and listened to my own.
I borrowed Phonomacs AT33PTG believing the ZYX wasn’t performing at its best and I was pleasantly surprised at how good it was. It’s a Hi-Fi bargain BUT it didn’t make my hair stand on end. SO, I went off to Jimbo’s for a listen to his system and heard this really focussed system that was incredibly revealing and focussed. I went home and felt like there was a huge change needed. I contemplated selling the Firebottle Monoblocks and the ZYX but I just couldn’t see either of those things being the issue. The Slagle Preamp had a reputation for exposing the leading edge “too Much” (not the case here thus far) So what’s the issue!!!!!
I looked at my Japanese Pioneer speakers and thought, “Ah! It must be those”. Jim and Angus BOTH have very excellent Speakers. So off to eBay I went but nothing took my fancy. I still wasn’t convinced either. CD was still razor sharp and heartless so what’s going on here?
I sat there for a couple of hours just thinking about how two totally different systems at Jim’s and Angus’s had such clear sharp lines and transparency and then it hit me, They had both waxed lyrical about their platter mat!. Jim had the VPI standard mat and loved it, Angus had a Tenuto and loved it. I decided to take a punt and buy something new. I found Guy’s number on his Puresound website and tentatively enquired about a “B” stock Tenuto Platter Mat. Luckily, Guy was a pleasure to deal with and we made a deal. A couple of days later the perfect looking platter mat arrived. I placed it on the SP10 like a new crown for the king. I let my Valves warm up and played the first track.
Ben Howard – Old Pine
It was a jaw on the floor moment. Nuances, Transients, atmosphere and…….FOCUS
I played more albums and everything was improved. EVERYTHING It was a bigger jump in Sound quality than when I swapped the ZYX for the Ortofon Vienna a few weeks ago. A tighter, rapier sharp focus, zero smudge and haze, Higher levels of Bass definition. It was glorious!!! Mids are so much cleaner and there’s plenty of timbre and resonance from the instruments. Divine! Its such a big improvement. Its very transparent and neutral.
I have never been so surprised by the difference one piece of kit has made. IMO the Tenuto is an absolute must have if your TT can take its considerable weight. Its made everything better without any downside that I can conjure up whilst writing. Ive lost no bass extension, no sweetness, nothing its all just so much clearer and well defined. I feel like my system is now 4K resolution!
Its solved any issues I had previously and I am now hearing the truth about the system I
I have no idea how these changes are the product of 5mm of gunmetal being added to the SP10 but there is no doubt in my mind that this is the result of the platter mat.
There are alternatives, I haven’t heard everything out there but I don’t care. This is the answer. If you feel your platter mat isn’t up to the task, I suggest you give Guy a call and let him fix it for you …. Permanently

farflungstar
06-11-2017, 16:52
Good review and +1 for the Tenuto.

mikeyb
06-11-2017, 19:01
I've spoken to Guy, but he doesn't think he has any of the B grade that he would want to sell. He is hunting through the hat l last 30 or 40 to find me the best of what's left but he hasn't phoned back yet so I'm not holding out much hope.

He will be getting more in as he mentioned buying in new stock. So I might have to pay full price for a new one, but it sounds like it will be worth it anyway.

Jimbo
06-11-2017, 19:41
Sometimes one item can be the missing link between ok and extraordinary. Sounds like you have found it Oli.

:)

Bigman80
06-11-2017, 19:46
Ah Mikey, thats a shame. He did take a good few hours looking at his stock for me so you never know. I would suggest at full price, it is well worth it

Bigman80
06-11-2017, 19:48
It's definitely a very important part of the Jigsaw puzzle. The new valves in the Jolida should provide the last piece :)

smangus
06-11-2017, 19:58
The new valves in the Jolida should provide the last piece :)

famous last words there methinks....:lol:

Bigman80
06-11-2017, 19:59
famous last words there methinks....[emoji38][emoji23][emoji23] probably

I am going to start looking into isolation platforms/feet but in terms of sound, I'm incredibly happy.

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RobbieGong
06-11-2017, 21:50
Question, whats Jimbo's standard VPI mat made of ?

Bigman80
06-11-2017, 22:08
Question, whats Jimbo's standard VPI mat made of ?I have no idea! Lol.

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walpurgis
06-11-2017, 22:33
famous last words there methinks....:lol:

Oliver will be totally done for the day he gets a listen to a pair of good big vintage Tannoys!

(I keep telling him this, it's going to niggle at him, 'cos he knows he needs to hear some :D)

Bigman80
06-11-2017, 22:50
Oliver will be totally done for the day he gets a listen to a pair of good big vintage Tannoys!

(I keep telling him this, it's going to niggle at him, 'cos he knows he needs to hear some :D)Geoff, I want to hear big Tannoys, I want to own them just because of how good I think they are. Trouble is, they just won't fit in my room. Maybe when I have converted the Garage it'll be an option. That's some time away though lol

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walpurgis
06-11-2017, 22:59
The Cheviots stood on the floor take up little more room than your Pioneers on stands Oliver.

Bigman80
06-11-2017, 23:07
The Cheviots stood on the floor take up little more room than your Pioneers on stands Oliver. I already can't get to the records in the rack mate. Honestly, its capacity at the minute.

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walpurgis
06-11-2017, 23:11
I already can't get to the records in the rack mate. Honestly, its capacity at the minute.

:lolsign:

Bigman80
06-11-2017, 23:15
[emoji38]sign:It's no laughing matter [emoji23]

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walpurgis
06-11-2017, 23:17
You'll have to knock a wall out mate! ;)

Bigman80
07-11-2017, 00:19
You'll have to knock a wall out mate! ;)I know, trying to convince the gaffer we need to convert the garage [emoji23] she does agree I need to get out of the house with the "Stereo" [emoji23][emoji23][emoji4]

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Jimbo
07-11-2017, 06:34
Question, whats Jimbo's standard VPI mat made of ?

Hi Rob, my TT mat is made of sorbathane - you would not it to stand a pot on:lol: But it works extremely well. You can imagine the chaps a VPI are not going to build a £2500 turntable and just throw any old mat on it.
I have tried others but they loose something. The bare platter is good to use as well, folk should consider this as you don't always need a mat!:)

walpurgis
07-11-2017, 09:11
Hi Rob, my TT mat is made of sorbathane

I have a sorbothane mat too. Can't use it though, as it leaves smears of oily residue on records.

Jimbo
07-11-2017, 12:03
I have a sorbothane mat too. Can't use it though, as it leaves smears of oily residue on records.

If you keep using it eventually the residue goes, but you do need to keep cleaning your records. I just put an old one on the TT and leave it to soak up the muck!:lol:

bonzo
10-11-2017, 18:41
I was blind tested by the owner of a PTP lenco using this mat. When he put the mat on, I thought he had changed the cartridge to something more detailed and musical. I did not A/B it at Guy's, but his SP10mk2 with this mat was fantastic.

hermit
10-11-2017, 23:23
Thanks for the review. Food for thought. Just now I'm using an SDS mat with an OL mat as a cover. I feel this combination does an excellent job of damping the Sony TTS-8000 platter but doesn't alter the sound much when compared to the original oil filled mat which, sadly, is warped.

The internet says the motor of my Sony can drive a heavy mat but mechanical sympathy for the 40 year old motor and bearing gives me real pause for thought. You've got me wondering again. Hmmm....

Bigman80
10-11-2017, 23:58
Thanks for the review. Food for thought. Just now I'm using an SDS mat with an OL mat as a cover. I feel this combination does an excellent job of damping the Sony TTS-8000 platter but doesn't alter the sound much when compared to the original oil filled mat which, sadly, is warped.

The internet says the motor of my Sony can drive a heavy mat but mechanical sympathy for the 40 year old motor and bearing gives me real pause for thought. You've got me wondering again. Hmmm....Sorry!,

There's a 40 year old motor in the SP10 and it's spinning it with ease. I wouldn't be without mine now. I do envisage needing to repair the brake at some point but for the improvement in sound it a price worth paying. Welcome to come for a listen and see for yourself!

O

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hermit
11-11-2017, 00:22
Thanks Oliver. I'm sure I'd enjoy your system very much. Sadly my domestic situation means I rarely venture too far from home these days.

Bigman80
11-11-2017, 00:27
Thanks Oliver. I'm sure I'd enjoy your system very much. Sadly my domestic situation means I rarely venture too far from home these days.Ah, fair enough. Have a chat with Guy, see if there's a try before you buy option?

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hermit
11-11-2017, 00:32
Good suggestion but I need to overcome my weight anxiety before I trouble Guy. Part of the problem is that the Sony is really a rare deck and not as easy to replace as yours if the weight did eventually make it go tits up. :scratch:

Bigman80
11-11-2017, 08:11
Yes the Sony is a rare beast. I'd be precious about it!

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karma67
28-02-2018, 17:14
oh dear what have i done lol,ive got one coming from guy mid march,oli i hope i hear the same as you :eek:

mikeyb
28-02-2018, 17:43
oh dear what have i done lol,ive got one coming from guy mid march,oli i hope i hear the same as you :eek:

You’re lucky, I phoned to buy one about 3 months ago and was told they’d get back in touch within a few days once they’d checked stock, still waiting [emoji853]

Bigman80
28-02-2018, 20:00
You’re lucky, I phoned to buy one about 3 months ago and was told they’d get back in touch within a few days once they’d checked stock, still waiting [emoji853]Strange, Guy was very good and got back to me in the same hour I called and enquired. Benefit of the doubt? Give him a bell.

Bigman80
28-02-2018, 20:02
oh dear what have i done lol,ive got one coming from guy mid march,oli i hope i hear the same as you :eek:Me too [emoji47]

Lol, last guy I recommend one to bought and sold it in about 24hours [emoji44]

I love mine, wouldn't be without it. I'm sure you're gonna love it mate. Feel free to post your findings on this thread if you want.

Also, that pioneer DESERVES to look it's best.

pure sound
28-02-2018, 20:05
Pm sent to mikeyb.

mikeyb
28-02-2018, 21:06
Strange, Guy was very good and got back to me in the same hour I called and enquired. Benefit of the doubt? Give him a bell.As much my fault I could have phoned again but I bought other toys at the time lol.

Guy has messaged me to ask if I want one set aside for me once more stock comes in.

mikeyb
28-02-2018, 21:06
Pm sent to mikeyb.Good stuff, replied [emoji4]

Bigman80
28-02-2018, 21:18
As much my fault I could have phoned again but I bought other toys at the time lol.

Guy has messaged me to ask if I want one set aside for me once more stock comes in.Fair enough. He's a good guy. I'm sure it was an oversight.

karma67
20-03-2018, 20:08
As much my fault I could have phoned again but I bought other toys at the time lol.

Guy has messaged me to ask if I want one set aside for me once more stock comes in.

when is it they are available? ive forgotten lol

Bigman80
20-03-2018, 20:46
When are you getting yours, Jamie?

mikeyb
20-03-2018, 20:47
when is it they are available? ive forgotten lolI think it was April, I'll see if I can find the email

karma67
21-04-2018, 16:22
any news on their arrival ?

YNWaN
21-04-2018, 17:45
An interesting thread for me as the two mats mentioned are, 1/ hard metal and, 2/ Sorbothane. I’ve not tried gunmetal specifically but pretty much any hard mat sounds profoundly different to Sorbothane (or silicone which sounds very similar to Sorbothane).

I know Guy S quite well and cannot recommend him enough - not only a very honest chap but a true enthusiast.