Not selling my LP12 but.........

[allthingsanalogue]

Bugger it, I'm gonna buy a TECHNICS SL1200G!

and I'm going to keep it totally stock.

[allthingsanalogue]

Why is it it £500 cheaper here?

http://store.hificorner.co.uk/technics-sl-1200g-turntable.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7vm-682R1wIVxgrTCh1F-gq1EAkYASABEgIHdPD_BwE#fo_c=1460&fo_k=a4d9d8de91cc7363e295deeec0469316&fo_s=gplauk

[Marco]

I wouldn't if I were you, Andrew [unless you have very good cause].

Certainly don't do it on a whim, because it'll be the beginning of the end of your LP12, especially if you're in a happy place now with your vinyl, and possibly the start of a difficult and unpredictable new journey...

Marco.

[allthingsanalogue]

Hi Marco

I certainly don't want to mod it, i want to keep it stock but also want it for the 'coolness' factor but also for playing 45' singles that i can never be botherd to play on the LP12 and also my large collection of 78's.

You think it might sound better that the Linn!

Andrew

[prestonchipfryer]

I think Richer Sounds have a £500 off offer on at the moment. I'm tempted myself but will await the SP10R to come along. :)

[Marco]

No....not entirely, Andrew. Overall, the Linn should be better.

However, all turntables have their respective strengths and flaws, and if you get a Techy, especially if you use it to play the likes of 12" singles (45s), which it excels at, even in stock form, it'll expose the Linn's flaws, in terms of pitch stability, dynamic alacrity and tonal coloration.

And once your brain 'tunes into' that, you'll hear it every time you listen to your LP12.... Then, you'll want what the Techy does well (as described above), along with the Linn's 'tune-playing ability' and addictive musicality, which is when the difficult and unpredictable new journey will start, chasing the near-impossible, and the best of both worlds...

It might not happen, of course [much will depend of your mindset and how clear the goals are you want to achieve], but I've seen it happen many times before, when folk compare and begin to fundamentally understand the relative attributes of belt and direct-drive T/Ts - and it can be the quickest way to fall out of love with your record collection.

Therefore, much as I'm a fan of the Techncs, if your 'head's in a happy place' right now, as it were, with the vinyl replay aspect of your system, I'd think very carefully about what you're planning to do.

Marco.

[allthingsanalogue]

I think Richer Sounds have a £500 off offer on at the moment. I'm tempted myself but will await the SP10R to come along. :)

Just seen it, thanks!

Although you can't use the offer code as it's not available on line, only in store?

[allthingsanalogue]

Thanks Marco.

I see your point, mmmmmm.

[Marco]

Unfortunately, things are rarely straightforward in this game! ;)

Marco.

[rubber duck]

But Marco, you've already planted the seeds of doubt...

[allthingsanalogue]

But Marco, you've already planted the seeds of doubt...

Still reckon i want one though, iconic product!

[Marco]

Lol - sometimes the 'What If?' demon bites harder! :eyebrows:

Marco.

[sq225917]

Hmmm, speed stability, timbral and tonal accuracy along with fit and forget reliability or an old fruit box with with a tilted response that changes with the wind.

Move along, no decision to make here.

[Marco]

Lol.... Well, it's "an old fruit box" that Andrew seems pretty happy with so far - and that's the point to bear in mind.

Marco.

[allthingsanalogue]

That old fruit box was brand new in 2016 and set me back £6.5k. I love the soumd of the Linn, wanted one for over 25 years, it may be old hat but I just love the sound.

That being said there's something very special about a SL which I still think can't be beaten. I've got a large collection of 78's and 7” 45's as well 12” singles and except the 78's it's not the same playing them on a Linn.

Detachable headshell is a huge bonus onvoisly and it also looks a million dollars worth!

[Marco]

You tell him, Andrew! ;)

Anyway, and this is a very serious point, if you get the Techy, I'd enjoy and get to know it 'as is' for a few months, then do two very important things to it, which if necessary are reversible, if you want to eliminate two MASSIVELY limiting factors:

1) Fit a decent mat, such as an Achromat, as what comes as standard simply isn't fit for hi-fi purposes.

2) Replace the tonearm (which will easily come off, and can be put back later if necessary, returning the T/T to stock) with something like a Jelco SA-750 (thus retaining the convenience of a detachable headshell), and be careful with cartridge choice, no matter which arm you use, even the stock one.

Trust me, the tonearm change will remove a major bottleneck and launch the T/T into an entirely different sonic league!

Marco.

[cre009]

As a result of some research I have been doing I have recently built an LP12 bitsa to achieve a 1980s type build in an early plinth. I am pleased with the sound it produces but there is definitely a quality to the bass which I believe is the "bloom" that people refer to.

I also have a mid 90s build with Cirkus, Lingo, Trampoline, Ekos. I am running an AT-F7 cartridge. I have the same cartridge on a Sony PS-X600 biotracer and tonally I would struggle to distinguish them apart with none of the bloom. Given Andrew has the Kore sub chassis on a modern build then I would think it will also be likely that his deck is fairly neutral from that perspective. The modern springs also are quite stable and the sound does not change over time or go off that I have noticed.

This is a Technics sub forum and I don't have direct experience of the 1210 to comment on that deck. I do have the relatively cheap SL D202 and SL Q202 which on paper have the same spec as the 1210 but nowhere near the same build quality. For playing singles I actually prefer the fully automatic functions of the Sony so don't have to worry about cueing. I can have that deck on the floor quite close to where I am sitting and can just reach over to change records without getting up. It makes playing 45s a pleasure.

[Haselsh1]

Well I spent a lot of time listening to a Linn during the nineties and got to love the sound. In 2009 I owned a stock SL1210 and have to be honest that if these mods really do transform the thing then that can only be a good thing.
I kept the 1210 for around six months. That was enough, however I appreciate that there is a massive difference in price between the two and I also appreciate that the difference in concept is also massive.

[Marco]

Well I spent a lot of time listening to a Linn during the nineties and got to love the sound. In 2009 I owned a stock SL1210 and have to be honest that if these mods really do transform the thing then that can only be a good thing.


Shaun, I could confidently guarantee that you'd be blown away by the sound of my modded Techy, playing the electronica you love! :rave:

;)

Marco.

[allthingsanalogue]

Well it's either this or a Yamaha AS3000 amplifier! I can't get both!

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/files/C2AD75A5248E4866B24E7B8EE206F6E5_12073_3022x1467_b 006c4ba7879bf82a2112e25f3ad5181.jpg

[allthingsanalogue]

Of course Richer are doing the SL for £2500! The yamaha is £4000.

[Marco]

Well the Yamaha might help make music, as unless I'm blind, I can't see an amp currently listed in your system signature... ;)

Marco.

[Haselsh1]

Shaun, I could confidently guarantee that you'd be blown away by the sound of my modded Techy, playing the electronica you love! :rave:

;)

Marco.

Marco, I would bloody love to have an electronic music sesh at your place but the distance is considerable. Nothing is impossible however.

[Haselsh1]

Although I have never heard that particular amplifier I have owned one by Yamaha and it was pretty flat, bland and dull. I replaced it with a Trio Sigma drive amp that was hugely better.

[Marco]

Marco, I would bloody love to have an electronic music sesh at your place but the distance is considerable. Nothing is impossible however.

No worries. We'll defo do it sometime :cool:

Marco.

[allthingsanalogue]

Although I have never heard that particular amplifier I have owned one by Yamaha and it was pretty flat, bland and dull. I replaced it with a Trio Sigma drive amp that was hugely better.

Except the WHF review this amp in particular is so supposed to be exceptionally good and nothing like the more generic offerings they make.

[allthingsanalogue]

Well the Yamaha might help make music, as unless I'm blind, I can't see an amp currently listed in your system signature... ;)

Marco.

At the moment I'm only using a modded Cambridge audio A1 (£60 new).

I bought a Arcam A49, didn't like it, bought a second hand Musical Fidelity A308 pre power, didn't like it. Naim Nait 5i, Nait XS, didn't like them either but the Yamaha seems to get some fantastic user feedback.

[Ammonite Audio]

That old fruit box was brand new in 2016 and set me back £6.5k. I love the soumd of the Linn, wanted one for over 25 years, it may be old hat but I just love the sound.

That being said there's something very special about a SL which I still think can't be beaten. I've got a large collection of 78's and 7” 45's as well 12” singles and except the 78's it's not the same playing them on a Linn.

Detachable headshell is a huge bonus onvoisly and it also looks a million dollars worth!

Hi Andrew

I should soon have my own new SL-1200GR up and running with a new design Jelco TK-850S tonearm, which you are welcome to hear if you wish (I am in Norwich). I don't sell either Technics or Jelco (at the moment) - this setup is just to promote my new modular armboards for the Technics decks (old and new). I think the SL-1200GR will sound magnificent with the new Jelco, which bucks convention by adopting a knife-edge vertical bearing system in a much more substantial bearing structure compared to the existing Jelco range.

[allthingsanalogue]

Hi Andrew

I should soon have my own new SL-1200GR up and running with a new design Jelco TK-850S tonearm, which you are welcome to hear if you wish (I am in Norwich). I don't sell either Technics or Jelco (at the moment) - this setup is just to promote my new modular armboards for the Technics decks (old and new). I think the SL-1200GR will sound magnificent with the new Jelco, which bucks convention by adopting a knife-edge vertical bearing system in a much more substantial bearing structure compared to the existing Jelco range.

Thanks!

I might take you up on your offer.

It's actually the 'G' I'm looking at.

[Ammonite Audio]

Thanks!

I might take you up on your offer.

It's actually the 'G' I'm looking at.

I know, but the GR largely shares the same motor design and control systems as the G but with one rotor instead of two, so it will give you more than a good 'feel' for how these new Technics decks play music.

[Marco]

At the moment I'm only using a modded Cambridge audio A1 (£60 new).

I bought a Arcam A49, didn't like it, bought a second hand Musical Fidelity A308 pre power, didn't like it. Naim Nait 5i, Nait XS, didn't like them either but the Yamaha seems to get some fantastic user feedback.

Well in that case, forget all about another turntable - you need a quality amp! There's no way that the Cambridge is doing justice to the rest of your system. Not sure that the Yamaha is, sonically, worth the type of money being asked for it.

It certainly looks gorgeous, though :drool:

Marco.

[Marco]

Hi Andrew

I should soon have my own new SL-1200GR up and running with a new design Jelco TK-850S tonearm, which you are welcome to hear if you wish (I am in Norwich). I don't sell either Technics or Jelco (at the moment) - this setup is just to promote my new modular armboards for the Technics decks (old and new). I think the SL-1200GR will sound magnificent with the new Jelco, which bucks convention by adopting a knife-edge vertical bearing system in a much more substantial bearing structure compared to the existing Jelco range.

I'd love a listen to that too, Hugo. The new Jelco sounds intriguing. Would be good to compare my own Technics against the new one. It'd also be good to do a proper write-up for the forum, as I'd imagine that a few folks here would be interested in the coutcome :)

Marco.

[allthingsanalogue]

It would seem that these are in short supply.

Just spoke to Sevenoaks, quoted 8 - 10 weeks and Richer sounds in Norwich have two on order but both sold!

[Ammonite Audio]

I'd love a listen to that too, Hugo. The new Jelco sounds intriguing. Would be good to compare my own Technics against the new one. It'd also be good to do a proper write-up for the forum, as I'd imagine that a few folks here would be interested in the coutcome :)

Marco.

Maybe an opportunity to recover my lost OEM Stillpoint footer, which fell amongst your stack of Mana, quite a few years ago! The new Jelco is a bit of a punt, but it does look to have much greater structural strength around the bearings, than the 750 and 250 series, and I have a feeling in my water that it will be good. There’s nothing wrong with knife edge bearings, when done properly.

[Marco]

Sounds like a plan, Hugo, once I get my listening room back, which is currently chock-a-block full of kitchen paraphernalia, since we've been installing a completely new kitchen.

However, Del's off now on half term, and the kitchen's 90% finished, so hope to clear the clutter there sometime towards the end of next week. Anyway, let me know when you have the new Techy and Jelco, and we'll take it from there :cool:

Marco.

[Marco]

It would seem that these are in short supply.

Just spoke to Sevenoaks, quoted 8 - 10 weeks and Richer sounds in Norwich have two on order but both sold!

Btw Andrew, amp-wise, you should take a look at the Clef, Hugo has just reviewed in our Strokes of Genius section: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?54662-Clef-Audio-Soloist-50-Amplifier&p=912282#post912282

Could be an interesting option? :)

Marco.