View Full Version : Did anyone use Moth record cleaning machine MKI version
I can get this machine for around £200. Is it worth. I have gathered some information that it has one way motor and get warm after cleaning 6 lps, where as new one MKII can clean 12 lps before getting warm. Any more information will help me to make my mind. thanks
hifi_dave
16-10-2017, 16:18
Been using a Moth in a shop environment since it's inception and often it would be in use all day long. Yes, it gets warm but no trouble at all - never missed a beat.
Doubt youd want to clean 6 in a row. Know I wouldnt. Dunno what the mk1's go for but seems cheap. ive a mk2 and its great. never had any probs in 10 years +
Never heard of a problem with any of the Moth versions. It is bargain at £200, go for it.
speedracer
16-10-2017, 18:15
Grant, I often clean upwards of 20 plus, makes it worth carrying the RCA up from the garage.
By the way OP mine is a VPI & it does get a little warm but nothing to worry about.
montesquieu
16-10-2017, 18:28
I think you'll find the racket more bothersome than any heat generated. Noisy buggers but far better than no RCM at all.
I had one for quite a few years before getting my Loricraft.
Yup I wear ear plugs
I use wet toilet paper or kitchen towel. I think you'd need to clean a lot of records in one go to damage your hearing but if you are going to sit down and listen right after you clean even one best to use protection. They are no louder than the old fashioned hoovers. So yes, quite loud.
thanks for the replies guys. looks like everyone agree that its a good buy. . Seller said the body made from metal chassis and its rearly have been used.
Its motor only rotates one way, will it effect the performance?
Yes to a point but still work well. Both directions is better tho but dearer. Not a deal breaker tho
Audio Al
17-10-2017, 02:44
i had to sell my moth as it was very noisy
I think all RCM are very noisy, but if it does what it needs to do, than i can compromise with noise. lol. I was considering to buy ultrasonic one, read people opinion here, which is not very positive.
Payment has made and i am going to pick it up this Sat. What cleaning solution shall i buy for it?
Mine was from the first batch ever made,circa 1990,they are bloody noisy,I used to do batches of up to 10 at a time,but with the demise of 2nd hand record shops,it's much less than that now,apart from changing the felt pads once in a while it requires no maintenance.
I have thought of replacing it with something better,but the cost would equate to many LP's and as I don't buy that much now I am quite happy to stick with it.I met a chap earlier this year who has an Audiosystem ultrasonic cleaner,cost a fortune,it now doesn't spin the records,his only option is to return it to the makers and spend £500 for a refurbished machine as it's out of warranty.
Payment has made and i am going to pick it up this Sat. What cleaning solution shall i buy for it?
BP grade water,I would never buy DI as there are no industry standards,so you could be buying tap water http://pureklenz.co.uk/purified-water-ep/
IPA https://www.amazon.co.uk/SHL-BRAND-ISOPROPANOL-Isopropyl-Alcohol/dp/B003D8QFR8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508226321&sr=8-1&keywords=ipa
Mix 4 parts water to 1 part IPA and add a surfactant,I use dishwasher rinse aid @ 10ml per 5ltr,been using this for >20 years with no problems.
yes, i use bp water too. once your collection is all clean, unless you buy a lot of records you probably wont use it so much. i dont have to use mine very often. an antistatic gun is imo a requirement too.
montesquieu
17-10-2017, 09:33
I think all RCM are very noisy, but if it does what it needs to do, than i can compromise with noise. lol. I was considering to buy ultrasonic one, read people opinion here, which is not very positive.
Not all of them, the Loricraft PRC6 is whisper quiet, it's possible to use it with music on at the same time.
BTW while the Moth is noisy it's still bloody handy and at £200, sensibly priced. (That's about what I sold mine for I think).
When my wife is watching TV down stair, I can clean records up stair. Probably she will think that i am hovering carpet. lol :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Audio Al
17-10-2017, 10:21
I have a Loricraft PRC3 lovely machine , good value and a 5 year guarantee :)
BTW BP water = British. EP water = European just to save any confusion,there both the same quality.There are many reputable DI manufacturer's ,but also many who are not,I once measured a Hydrochloric acid level of 2% in the product water at one site,the client didn't give a toss and was still selling it on,if DI plants aren't serviced the diaphragm's in the chemical line valves disintegrate and the resin requires replacing every few years,IME if this doesn't happen it can lead to all manner of problems.
At BP/EP sites if I found a problem they would shut the plant down,rectify whatever needed fixing and re-validate before going back into production after the water had been had been tested by an Independent laboratory.
British or European,they all have to comply with the American FDA specification's.
speedracer
17-10-2017, 11:40
I use a mix of RO water & L'Art du Son, no surfactant needed. I use RO (reverse osmosis) water in preference to DI because it is much purer, & has the benefit of being cheap, £2 for 20 litres from tropical/marine fish shops.
I use a mix of RO water & L'Art du Son, no surfactant needed. I use RO (reverse osmosis) water in preference to DI because it is much purer, & has the benefit of being cheap, £2 for 20 litres from tropical/marine fish shops.
RO is preferable to DI as it can remove up to 98% of the bacteria present which DI doesn't,how ever unless you know what the conductivity ( measured in micro siemens the lower the better ) is then again you will have know idea what you are buying,RO membranes also require maintenance and replacing otherwise they can fail.
i had to sell my moth as it was very noisy
I bought it. Sorry, did you say something?
I have one, dont know if its mk 1 or 2. it goes both directions
Yes, it gets hot, but by that time Im bored anyway, so just stop. I think that would be about 20 sides or so.
it is noisy. I use headphones when I use mine.
your price seems very good.
Audio Al
19-10-2017, 10:38
I bought it. Sorry, did you say something?
WHAT ?
:lol:
Just picked up today...
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accuphaseman
05-11-2017, 08:17
I use contact lens solution for cleaning on my Moth. I have a endless supply as I never use it all with my lenses.
If its good enough for you eyes its good enough for records.
accuphaseman
05-11-2017, 08:18
The Moth looks in lovely condition by the way.
Looks the biz.
Now get cleaning!
I use contact lens solution for cleaning on my Moth. I have a endless supply as I never use it all with my lenses.
If its good enough for you eyes its good enough for records.
A sterile, isotonic solution that contains HYDRANATE (hydroxyalkylphosphonate), boric acid, edetate disodium, poloxamine, sodium borate and sodium chloride; preserved with DYMED (polyaminopropyl biguanide):eyebrows:
I have used 1 litre purify water, 250 ml IPA and a few drops of Ilford Ilfotol Non Ionic Wetting Agent. LP records look clean and sound fabulous.
hifi_dave
05-11-2017, 17:21
India Pale Ale to clean records..:rolleyes:
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