Best joint pain killer

[Pieoftheday]

I've been suffering with crappy pain in my ankles/feet, apparently due to Over pronation and possibly some arthritis, so what's good to ease the pain of aching joints? Deep heat and those ibuprofen type gels have proved utterly useless for me, any suggestions on would be very welcome.Jim

[struth]

your doc should be able to give you something better James. I'm on some pretty powerful ones but only your doc can decide whats best.

[walpurgis]

If I get pain in muscles or joints. I work them. It may hurt to do so, but I find it relieves the longer term discomfort.

I've had a stiff neck for a few days this week. Yesterday, I worked the neck around in each direction several times until it hurt. Today it's much better.

Back pain is murder. I strain something occasionally and even then, I'll do situps and stretches to loosen up despite the pain this causes. It always works for me.

Oh. And a hot bath is good too.

[Pieoftheday]

I've been to a biomechanical podiatrist,£700 in the hole already:( and had some insoles made to correct my over pronation, these are as painful as the problem itself!! I didn't really want to start taking lots if pills but it's looking like an option I'll have to explore, a visit to the docs tomorrow then. I'll self medicate tonight with some red stag:eyebrows:

[struth]

I've been to a biomechanical podiatrist,£700 in the hole already:( and had some insoles made to correct my over pronation, these are as painful as the problem itself!! I didn't really want to start taking lots if pills but it's looking like an option I'll have to explore, a visit to the docs tomorrow then. I'll self medicate tonight with some red stag:eyebrows:

if you need an inflamatory then Diclofenac is imo the best for this and for the stomach.

[Pieoftheday]

if you need an inflamatory then Diclofenac is imo the best for this and for the stomach.

I think my mum used to take that,pretty strong stuff, a bit of relief for a while would be very nice

[struth]

I think my mum used to take that,pretty strong stuff, a bit of relief for a while would be very nice

i rattle with medicines these days :doh: i use them in conjunction with tramadol and paracetamol as my main pain killers

[anthonyTD]

Just looked that one up Grant,
[Link below] Not good if you have heart condition, apparently.
https://www.drugs.com/diclofenac.html
i rattle with medicines these days :doh: i use them in conjunction with tramadol and paracetamol as my main pain killers

[struth]

Just looked that one up Grant,
[Link below] Not good if you have heart condition, apparently.
https://www.drugs.com/diclofenac.html

Yup, they all have risks Anthony. My heart aint great but its the only NSAID that works well for me with Arthritis ... without it my hip goes solid due to inflamation. Your not supposed to be on it long term either but Ive had to be on it for several years.:)

[struth]

oh you can get diclofenac in gel form although the one that helps is prescription only. the stuff you can buy yourself is not much use tbh.

[Macca]

might sound daft but I've found aromatherapy can work with this sort of thing.

[Pieoftheday]

might sound daft but I've found aromatherapy can work with this sort of thing.

I'll try owt! In fact after browsing tinternet I've ordered essential ginger oil to rub in my ankles, apparently it's very soothing , worth a punt. Still will have to go to docs to see if there is arthritis though

[Edward]

James, have you been referred to a physiotherapist yet? Perhaps, in addition to the painkillers you are taking, the physio can give you some treatment and exercises to help mitigate your pronation.

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[karma67]

i rattle with medicines these days :doh: i use them in conjunction with tramadol and paracetamol as my main pain killers

be careful with tramadol its an opioid (morphine-like),its aditictive,i know this from personal experience,it can give you a high,(it did me) or make you feel sick.

[Pieoftheday]

James, have you been referred to a physiotherapist yet? Perhaps, in addition to the painkillers you are taking, the physio can give you some treatment and exercises to help mitigate your pronation.

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I have seen two physio's, and was told I needed a biomechanics podiatrist, the podiatrist is treating the pronation but apparently physio or rehabilitation as he refers to it can't begin until he sees progress or not, seems a bit trial and error:steam: I've given up on oral pain killers, did diddly

[struth]

be careful with tramadol its an opioid (morphine-like),its aditictive,i know this from personal experience,it can give you a high,(it did me) or make you feel sick.

been on it for years jamie. Doesnt affect me that way, but I am fairly low at addictions I think luckily. Alas I have to take quite a few, but nothing else bar morphine itself and Im not taking that.ive tried it.
used to drink a lot for eons and gave it up no bother

[Hammer]

If i get joint pain i take Tumeric in tablet form its a natural antiinflammatory and seems to work for me.

[karma67]

been on it for years jamie. Doesnt affect me that way, but I am fairly low at addictions I think luckily. Alas I have to take quite a few, but nothing else bar morphine itself and Im not taking that.ive tried it.
used to drink a lot for eons and gave it up no bother

your luclky,the net is full off 'coming off tramadol' horror stories,i had to take 4 days off work when i stopped taking them,that was after slowly reducing the dosage too!

[hifi_dave]

My Wife had Arthritis in a knee and tried everything including GP prescribed medication and nothing helped much. As to gels, they did absolutely nothing.

From this time of year till mid Spring when it gets warmer and sunnier, I ache from head to toe - literally everything hurts. Yet when I go into the Sun, by having a break abroad, all the pains go within an hour or two. We just had 5 days in Tenerife and all the pains disappeared. I haven't taken a painkiller for two weeks now but will be forced to do so soon. What's that all about ?

[walpurgis]

From this time of year till mid Spring when it gets warmer and sunnier, I ache from head to toe - literally everything hurts. Yet when I go into the Sun, by having a break abroad, all the pains go within an hour or two. We just had 5 days in Tenerife and all the pains disappeared. I haven't taken a painkiller for two weeks now but will be forced to do so soon. What's that all about ?

Stress related?

[struth]

My hip is bone to bone now and it gets very inflamed. The pain even with the meds can be too much sometimes. Without them it would be unbearable . Nothing much worse that being disabled like this. I now know how the wife felt...

[Pieoftheday]

My Wife had Arthritis in a knee and tried everything including GP prescribed medication and nothing helped much. As to gels, they did absolutely nothing.

From this time of year till mid Spring when it gets warmer and sunnier, I ache from head to toe - literally everything hurts. Yet when I go into the Sun, by having a break abroad, all the pains go within an hour or two. We just had 5 days in Tenerife and all the pains disappeared. I haven't taken a painkiller for two weeks now but will be forced to do so soon. What's that all about ?

Wonderful what some nice weather can do, maybe we should move to ibiza:) it wouldn't surprise me if stress was a factor, doubt my GP would agree?

[Pieoftheday]

Jim Beam Red Stag, might not help the pain but I'll not care so much after 2 or 3:cool:

[Marco]

I'll try owt!

In all honestly, James, a couple of glasses of red wine (or maybe some whisky, if you prefer spirits), as long as you don't go overboard, is likely to be just as effective at dulling the pain as any tablets, and it's liable to relax/de-stress you too, which itself will be beneficial.

Added to that, in terms of red wine especially, it's a natural product and (if consumed in moderation) good for you. Plus, you will experience less side-effects than filling your system with chemicals! Just make sure that you don't drink on an empty stomach or too late at night.

If it's purely pain relief you need, and you're ok otherwise with drinking alcohol, it'll do the job nicely, and trust me be much better than any tablets :)

Marco.

[Pieoftheday]

In all honestly, James, a couple of glasses of red wine (or maybe some whisky, if you prefer spirits), as long as you don't go overboard, is likely to be just as effective at dulling the pain as any tablets, and it's liable to relax/de-stress you too, which itself will be beneficial.

Added to that, in terms of red wine especially, it's a natural product and (consumed in moderation) good for you. Plus, you will experience less side-effects than filling your system with chemicals! Just make sure that you don't drink on an empty stomach or too late at night.

If it's purely pain relief you need, and you're ok otherwise with drinking alcohol, it'll do the job nicely, and trust me be much better than any tablets :)

Marco.
Marco , you are preaching to the converted:) whiskey and red wine are two of my fave things!! Trying not to booze on a work night though, up at 5.30am. Day off tomorrow , yaay!!

[bbbiker800]

did anyone mention the option of cannabis for medicinal usage ?

[Pieoftheday]

My hip is bone to bone now and it gets very inflamed. The pain even with the meds can be too much sometimes. Without them it would be unbearable . Nothing much worse that being disabled like this. I now know how the wife felt...

Cant you get a hip replacement? That must be very painful

[Macca]

Vitamin E deficiency? I've been taking a vit E tab once a day for a year now, I reckon it has done me some good.

[Macca]

did anyone mention the option of cannabis for medicinal usage ?

That's an option now? I mean, legally?

[walpurgis]

did anyone mention the option of cannabis for medicinal usage ?

No. But I'm willing to be a guinea pig. :eyebrows:

[struth]

Cant you get a hip replacement? That must be very painful

Wont do it. Say im not well enough. :rolleyes:

[Marco]

Marco , you are preaching to the converted:) whiskey and red wine are two of my fave things!! Trying not to booze on a work night though, up at 5.30am. Day off tomorrow , yaay!!

Nice one, mate. My wife suffers from back pain, which they can't really do anything with, and she's much better after a couple of glasses of wine, than any tablets, especially something horrible, like Tramadol!

So, as long as it's done in moderation and controlled, don't be afraid of taking a wee drinky, to dull the joints pain you're suffering from :)

Marco.

[struth]

That's an option now? I mean, legally?

Think it is technically available to ms suffers. But its expensive and rarely issued.

[Macca]

Think it is technically available to ms suffers. But its expensive and rarely issued.

Right. I read they were trying to extract all the good chemicals from it and make a tablet version but I don't think they are there yet.

[Marco]

That's an option now? I mean, legally?

In reality, no-one would bat an eyelid, if it was taken purely for pain relief and personal use. It's only when you try and profit from it, by selling it to others in significant quantities, that the authorities will then 'become interested'! ;)

Marco.

[Macca]

In reality, no-one would bat an eyelid, if it was taken purely for pain relief and personal use. It's only when you try and profit from it, by selling it to others in significant quantities, that the authorities will then 'become interested'! ;)

Marco.

True but there are plenty of people who will not consider doing something illegal, regardless of the situation.

[Pieoftheday]

Wont do it. Say im not well enough. :rolleyes:

Aah sorry to hear that

[struth]

Doubt it would help me anyway. Whisky doesnt really help, although its fun trying;)

[karma67]

True but there are plenty of people who will not consider doing something illegal, regardless of the situation.

for the record im not one of them!:D

[struth]

Like to stay on right side of law; old habits really.... I live in hope they will some day do me:D

[Marco]

True but there are plenty of people who will not consider doing something illegal, regardless of the situation.

And they're quite right. I'm simply pointing out the likely outcome, in terms of any punitive action, of carrying out what was suggested.

Marco.

[Marco]

for the record im not one of them!:D

Yeah, and it's a complete lie that "Ganja" is your middle name! :eyebrows::peace:

Marco.

[karma67]

ha ha,actually i cant stand the stuff.not had any for years.

[Pieoftheday]

Never tried weed myself, couldnt even cope with ciggys, ive heard it does wonders for chronic pain though

[Macca]

Never tried weed myself, couldnt even cope with ciggys, ive heard it does wonders for chronic pain though

You don't have to smoke it. It can be prepared in food like any herb, or you can use a vaporiser. All against the law in the UK but as Marco says it's not enforced like it once was.

If it was me I'd rather take that than pills from the vet.

[Marco]

ha ha,actually i cant stand the stuff.not had any for years.

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Marco.

[Pieoftheday]

You don't have to smoke it. It can be prepared in food like any herb, or you can use a vaporiser. All against the law in the UK but as Marco says it's not enforced like it once was.

If it was me I'd rather take that than pills from the vet.

Well I do like a cake:eyebrows: in theory ahem, just in case The Man's looking in:)

[Pieoftheday]

Why can't people get it from doctors? If it helps folk in pain?

[Macca]

That's a long story. Starts with William Randolph Hurst and his paper business. Allegedly.

Now the Yanks have legalised it again in some States. Funny how things go around.

[Pieoftheday]

That's a long story. Starts with William Randolph Hurst and his paper business. Allegedly.

Now the Yanks have legalised it again in some States. Funny how things go around.

Another knob with coin tryin to control !!

[Marco]

Well I do like a cake:eyebrows:

Did someone say "Amsterdam Cafe"? :D

Marco.

[Pieoftheday]

:) had a mate years ago at school couldn't feel anything in his hands, no pain, could punch good:)

[Edward]

I've heard lots of people have experienced good pain relief with CBD oil which is legal. Can be bought from lots of health food shops sell. Even Amazon sells the stuff.

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[Haselsh1]

I tend to use Voltarol gel as I did a lot of the development work on diclofenac when I worked for Novartis. There is however no way I would take the stuff internally but that is just my preference.

[struth]

Nice one Shaun Yes the strong Voltarol creams are good as well. As for taking it orally. When the devil calls.

[mightymonoped]

This is a particular area of interest to me as I am in a permanent crutch user, I am in a constant balancing act between being active and dealing with the ramifications of being active. Seventeen years of using crutches to get around takes it's toll on your joints and musculature and I've had to deal with a number of issues in that time, including developing arthritis in my wrists and severe muscular pains and spasms in my upper and middle back and shoulders.

*Apologies in advance if this is a bit of an essay but it's not something I've written down before so I'm bound to ramble. :-)

In that time, I've tried most of the over the counter and prescription medications and concur with most of what's already been said here so no real value to add from that point of view but there are some alternative approaches worthy of consideration.

I suppose the main point of this is 'consider the system'.

The back and shoulder issues I had were a rightly identified by the physios I went to see as due to an increasing lack of flexibility in my middle back due to constant use of crutches and the resultant overuse of certain muscles in one plane (as it were). It was however, the way this was subsequently treated that sorted the issue for me. My wife's Pilates instructor at the time advised me to go and see a lady she knew locally who was known for treating people with injuries and disabilities using a Pilates Reformer in her studio. I was sceptical at first but thought it was worth a shot so I went along one work lunchtime.

The initial session was free and we basically spent the better part of an hour discussing everything about my injuries and subsequent disability, at the end of that session, I felt she had a complete handle on the nature of my issues. Her approach was to identify the 'trigger points' for the pain and work on them in isolation but also to work on my body as a whole, to address 'errors in the system' as it were.

The reformer allowed specific muscle groups to be strengthened in isolation. It felt pretty easy at the time and I would finish the session feeling like I was walking on air, it was only 2 hours later that I felt like I had been 3 rounds with Mike Tyson :-)

She identified small issues such as the way I was walking using my crutches, the fact that my foot splayed outwards was causing muscular stress all the way up through my thighs, buttocks, lower and middle back. Constantly nagging me about this, I became aware of it and concentrated on walking with my toe pointed forward and rolling on the ball of my foot. Just this one change alone affected everything as far as I am concerned.

Swimming too, was identified as a great way to open up the middle back and this is something I have continued to great effect.

As far as the arthritic wrists are concerned, I had to help myself with that one as it required the use of better equipment than the NHS was able to provide. I found a company based in Canada who provide completely custom tailorable crutches. The founder/owner is an amputee who was a keen mountaineer and rambler. Together with her partner, she had developed crutches (Sidestix (http://www.sidestix.com)) that could adjusted in almost every way imaginable. A simple change in the angle of the handgrip sorted out the arthritic wrist problem before it developed further.

I'm pretty sure my challenges will continue as far as the 'wear and tear' is concerned but thought it was worth illustrating some of the things I've come across so far just in case it may be of value to someone.

To those of you who are dealing with chronic pain, I wish you relief and continued hope for new and better ways of dealing with it.

[Pieoftheday]

Thanks for everyone's input, just back from doctors, sending me for an xray:)

[hifinutt]

I tend to use Voltarol gel as I did a lot of the development work on diclofenac when I worked for Novartis. There is however no way I would take the stuff internally but that is just my preference.

yes these gels can be effective . like movelat gel . drs did not like prescribing them but nice came along and said they worked . they are brilliant with cracked ribs .

you can actually take voltarol suppositories but not easy to persuade the gp to give !! that's a last resort . most people just take ibuprofen for bony pain . incidentally , I see you use cm8 , they are knocking them out at bargain prices at the moment due to the new 700 series . do you like the cm8 ?

[hifinutt]

This is a particular area of interest to me as I am in a permanent crutch user, I am in a constant balancing act between being active and dealing with the ramifications of being active. Seventeen years of using crutches to get around takes it's toll on your joints and musculature and I've had to deal with a number of issues in that time, including developing arthritis in my wrists and severe muscular pains and spasms in my upper and middle back and shoulders.

*Apologies in advance if this is a bit of an essay but it's not something I've written down before so I'm bound to ramble. :-)

In that time, I've tried most of the over the counter and prescription medications and concur with most of what's already been said here so no real value to add from that point of view but there are some alternative approaches worthy of consideration.

I suppose the main point of this is 'consider the system'.

The back and shoulder issues I had were a rightly identified by the physios I went to see as due to an increasing lack of flexibility in my middle back due to constant use of crutches and the resultant overuse of certain muscles in one plane (as it were). It was however, the way this was subsequently treated that sorted the issue for me. My wife's Pilates instructor at the time advised me to go and see a lady she knew locally who was known for treating people with injuries and disabilities using a Pilates Reformer in her studio. I was sceptical at first but thought it was worth a shot so I went along one work lunchtime.

The initial session was free and we basically spent the better part of an hour discussing everything about my injuries and subsequent disability, at the end of that session, I felt she had a complete handle on the nature of my issues. Her approach was to identify the 'trigger points' for the pain and work on them in isolation but also to work on my body as a whole, to address 'errors in the system' as it were.

The reformer allowed specific muscle groups to be strengthened in isolation. It felt pretty easy at the time and I would finish the session feeling like I was walking on air, it was only 2 hours later that I felt like I had been 3 rounds with Mike Tyson :-)

She identified small issues such as the way I was walking using my crutches, the fact that my foot splayed outwards was causing muscular stress all the way up through my thighs, buttocks, lower and middle back. Constantly nagging me about this, I became aware of it and concentrated on walking with my toe pointed forward and rolling on the ball of my foot. Just this one change alone affected everything as far as I am concerned.

Swimming too, was identified as a great way to open up the middle back and this is something I have continued to great effect.

As far as the arthritic wrists are concerned, I had to help myself with that one as it required the use of better equipment than the NHS was able to provide. I found a company based in Canada who provide completely custom tailorable crutches. The founder/owner is an amputee who was a keen mountaineer and rambler. Together with her partner, she had developed crutches (Sidestix (http://www.sidestix.com)) that could adjusted in almost every way imaginable. A simple change in the angle of the handgrip sorted out the arthritic wrist problem before it developed further.

I'm pretty sure my challenges will continue as far as the 'wear and tear' is concerned but thought it was worth illustrating some of the things I've come across so far just in case it may be of value to someone.

To those of you who are dealing with chronic pain, I wish you relief and continued hope for new and better ways of dealing with it.

thanks for sharing that , I helped a lady on crutch's for several months recently and had to show her how to buy special grip crutches but those you mention sound good . glad you can do swimming . lots of people sear by cod liver oil and glucosamine although the latter is defo not favoured by nice !!

[Floyddroid]

Go and see your gp.

[Pieoftheday]

Whilst on me hols in Keswick and in much pain, a chemist suggested Pernaton green lipped muscle gel, it's worked really well for me, around £10 for 125 ml and can be applied as and when:)