Alloy turntable spiked feet [Archive] - The Art of Sound Forum

Dubster68

05-10-2017, 16:48

Whats everyones views on these below ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-1210-1200-Turntable-Isolating-Feet-Height-Adjustable-Type-1-56mm/142502345765?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Look pretty well made and I like the idea of not seeing the spikes and a little different to other 1210 feet.

Plus they are a small run British family firm:D

Stratmangler

05-10-2017, 17:08

What are you trying to do with the deck?

paulf-2007

05-10-2017, 18:54

Spikes couple not isolate

Dubster68

05-10-2017, 19:24

I was running RDC cones with good results but didn't really like the look on the Technics deck. My thinking is to replicate the sound but with better looking feet.

Stratmangler

05-10-2017, 21:51

I was running RDC cones with good results but didn't really like the look on the Technics deck. My thinking is to replicate the sound but with better looking feet.

Fat chance of that!
Replicating the sound, that is.

Have you thought about some heavy duty Isonoes?
The O rings used have much better weight bearing capability.

Dubster68

05-10-2017, 21:53

Fat chance of that!
Replicating the sound, that is.

Have you thought about some heavy duty Isonoes?
The O rings used have much better weight bearing capability.

Why ? Please help me find the best result as Isonoes is another option or back to the RDC cones

walpurgis

05-10-2017, 22:06

Whats everyones views on these below ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-1210-1200-Turntable-Isolating-Feet-Height-Adjustable-Type-1-56mm/142502345765?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

The design is self defeating. The rubber 'O' ring at the screw end that butts onto the turntable base is OK, as that will compress and cease to be significantly resilient once the foot is tightened. The function of a spike going into a 'cup', I don't understand. If it was a spiked foot bearing down onto the surface below the deck, I could accept that. Any real rigidity is lost due to the larger 'O' ring on the bottom of the foot, which introduces a compliance, defeating any purpose the spike may (or may not) have had.

I'd regard these feet as Hi-Fi 'jewelry', to be honest. They don't seem to offer any sensible function.

Dubster68

05-10-2017, 22:11

The design is self defeating. The rubber 'O' ring at the screw end that butts onto the turntable base is OK, as that will compress and cease to be significantly resilient once the foot is tightened. The function of a spike going into a 'cup', I don't understand. If it was a spiked foot bearing down onto the surface below the deck, I could accept that. Any real rigidity is lost due to the larger 'O' ring on the bottom of the foot, which introduces a compliance, defeating any purpose the spike may (or may not) have had.

I'd regard these feet as Hi-Fi 'jewelry', to be honest. They don't seem to offer any sensible function.

Thanks for your input Geoff. This is why I posted as I want honest opinions rather than wasting money:thumbsup:

Stratmangler

05-10-2017, 22:15

Why ? Please help me find the best result as Isonoes is another option or back to the RDC cones

RDC has its own signature.
I use the Isonoes myself, and I upgraded the O rings to the heavier weight bearing ones. I prefer the sound with the heavy duty O rings.
I have RDC supports too, and I'm not keen on them directly under a TT.

Mikeandvan

05-10-2017, 22:15

I tried various feet on my 1210, when I had it, made fuck all difference. Its all in the mind.

Dubster68

05-10-2017, 22:16

I tried various feet on my 1210, when I had it, made fuck all difference. Its all in the mind.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cas

05-10-2017, 22:18

To be honest snake oil.

Mikeandvan

05-10-2017, 23:16

Or is it?

paulf-2007

06-10-2017, 11:50

If it makes you happy or puts doubts in your mind that you enjoy, fill yer boots.

rubber duck

06-10-2017, 14:06

I tried various feet on my 1210, when I had it, made fuck all difference. Its all in the mind.

Sorry, but different supports sound different and have been measured to show why. The more useful question that has been asked is what the OP is trying to achieve with these.

rubber duck

06-10-2017, 14:11

The design is self defeating. The rubber 'O' ring at the screw end that butts onto the turntable base is OK, as that will compress and cease to be significantly resilient once the foot is tightened. The function of a spike going into a 'cup', I don't understand. If it was a spiked foot bearing down onto the surface below the deck, I could accept that. Any real rigidity is lost due to the larger 'O' ring on the bottom of the foot, which introduces a compliance, defeating any purpose the spike may (or may not) have had.

I'd regard these feet as Hi-Fi 'jewelry', to be honest. They don't seem to offer any sensible function.

Actually I think this is trying to offer the best of both worlds - coupling with spikes and isolation or damping with the O ring. I have doubts whether the O ring is sufficiently compliant for isolation and there certainly is an element of bling to the whole package and price. The listing says returns accepted, so if you could buy to try this might be the best way forward.

walpurgis

06-10-2017, 14:29

coupling with spikes and isolation or damping with the O ring

You can't couple and isolate with these feet.

Theoretically, it can be done to an extent though. Using a compliant decoupling suspension partnered with very firm fluid damping which would be seen by the mass as almost rigid. Rather like racing suspension on a car.

struth

06-10-2017, 14:52

Think if you use spikes wrong way they act more toward a decoupler

Dubster68

06-10-2017, 18:19

Ok bought a set. I spoke to the seller and he sounds a nice guy who runs the family business. He has sold a lot of these feet and had no issues. As he said money back option if not happy:D

I had good results with spikes on a bamboo isolation board and it seemed to tighten the bass up and stopped it booming. I am after that result with these but having a more standard looking set of feet as I never liked the look of spikes on the Technics turntable. Only time will tell if they change anything for the better. If we dont try these experiments things stay the same and get stale. We can all quote figures and dismiss things but many things work different due to other upgrades mods etc.

Like I said I will feed back once tested. People dismissed putting RDC cones on a Technics deck and it will destroy the sound etc. I can honestly say they didnt and changed it for the better.

rubber duck

06-10-2017, 21:51

Looking forward to your impressions. I've gone off any form of spikes/coupling myself simply because there is no isolation for the t/t from external vibrations. But this could work if your isolation board is decoupled from your rack, which would be my preference.

Bigman80

07-10-2017, 07:29

Got a pair of these for my new SP10. Well they are coming with it really. Used isonoe before and would again.

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Dubster68

07-10-2017, 14:30

Well the feet arrived and were fitted. First impression was I love the look over spikes but sound wise the bass was very overpowering. This was with the turntable placed on the Bamboo board supported by sorbathane feed:scratch:. This was not what I expecected:doh:. Anyway after a bit of trial and error I found the feet worked better without the board:scratch:. Straight away the bass was more tame and the vocals and instruments reappeared with a crystal clear sound. It has made an improvement over the RDC cones but I wouldnt say £125 worth. But the bonus is for me the sound is slightly better and no worse and I think they look good with my setup over the cones that were fit
https://i.imgur.com/w0a1ezW.jpg
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rubber duck

07-10-2017, 14:35

Photobucket not working...

Dubster68

07-10-2017, 14:37

Try again

rubber duck

07-10-2017, 14:40

Not here. I think you now need to pay for 3rd part hosting

rubber duck

07-10-2017, 14:41

Actually more than seeing this I'd be interested in how well it isolates your deck. Do you think this has improved in terms of acoustic feedback?

Bigman80

07-10-2017, 14:42

I love the look, so clean and very striking. Looks a bit "batmobile" awesome.

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Dubster68

07-10-2017, 15:15

Pics should work on the links. I had no idea Photobucket now charge for its service. And its not cheap:(

Turntable is ok and I can hear no strange noises interference's etc. I can tap on the plinth and get no noise transfer and the same goes for the unit its supported on. This surprised me as I expected to hear some sort of noise transfer. Upto now sound is pretty stable and the bass is tight but its the vocals what I have noticed more. They are very clear though they were before with the RDC cones. Still trying different records so will see how that goes:D The wife is at work so a lovely free evening tinkering.

rubber duck

07-10-2017, 15:31

Links work now, thanks. So with the stylus on a stationery record and tapping the t/t support you get no feedback through the speakers?

Dubster68

07-10-2017, 15:36

Links work now, thanks. So with the stylus on a stationery record and tapping the t/t support you get no feedback through the speakers?

Jeff unless I hit it really hard I am getting nothing at all.

rubber duck

07-10-2017, 19:04

Is this an improvement in isolation over the RDC or for that matter the stock feet?

Dubster68

07-10-2017, 19:25

Is this an improvement in isolation over the RDC or for that matter the stock feet?

Jeff

Over the stock feed definitely. I would say on par with the RDC cones. Maybe a slight improvement to the isolation and sound quality but 100% better looking in my opinion on my 1210. Also very well machined:)

walpurgis

07-10-2017, 19:53

Isolation? Or coupling?

rubber duck

07-10-2017, 20:47

Dubster68

07-10-2017, 21:11

I'm interested in its isolation, hence my question about the needle on the record.

Mick, I'd be surprised if the RDC offered any (let alone better) isolation than the stock feet given that the RDC is inert. I know there is no love lost for the stock feet but please disregard the issue of SQ for the moment as I am mainly interested in the transmission of vibrations through the feet to the cart.

I get no noise transmission from the turntable with the needle on the record if I hit bounce tap anything. I would have to physically bang the turntable hard to encourage any type of sound which is very very minimal if any . I dont know if thats the answer you are looking for Jeff.

rubber duck

07-10-2017, 21:17

Dubster68

07-10-2017, 21:25

Thanks Mick. I was mainly interested in whether the effect on isolation is the same with stock feet and RDC cones. Are the new feet better than RD and stock feet at isolating the transmission of noise when you tap the t/t shelf or support? Sorry if I don't get it, I'm multi-tasking and really should be sleeping!

No probs Jeff its always best to ask. I know all the opinions on pros and cons with spikes and feet etc etc. But all I can say is they do not transmit any noise from the turntable to speakers during normal use banging or tapping the plinth. I have even banged hard on my unit that the turntable is mounted on and same again nothing transmitted. I can hit a lot harder than you would ever do and it will ever so vaguely pick it up but thats going to the extreme.

And yes they present themselves better than the stock feet.

Sorry if my replies are confusing but its hard top explain:scratch:

rubber duck

07-10-2017, 21:30

If these offer better isolation than the stock feet when you bash the t/t support then I'd certainly be interested in trying them. Do update your listening experience after you've spent a bit more time with them. Thanks again Mick.

Dubster68

07-10-2017, 21:33