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farflungstar
24-09-2017, 08:11
Albums, particularly those from yesteryear can be bloody expensive. I've bought a couple of albums around the €270 mark, because of rarity and condition - and each time I consider the 10 or so I could have bought with the same cash.
Once again 2 albums that have been on my watch list for a while have come up at a reasonable (compared to other copies at twice the price). We're talking €530 for both - ridiculous. CD versions are a tenner each - so... Maybe I'd be better investing €500 in a decent CDP and starting on the slippery slope of digital..... Or forget owning certain albums...
Well, we all say 'it's all about the music', don't we?
OTOH, if that was really the case, we'd just subscribe to Spotify, and stop acquiring 'stuff' ...
paulf-2007
24-09-2017, 16:15
All cdp's sound the same
jandl100
28-09-2017, 06:46
Well, we all say 'it's all about the music', don't we?
OTOH, if that was really the case, we'd just subscribe to Spotify, and stop acquiring 'stuff' ...
;) That's exactly what I have done - best move I could have made. :thumbsup:
€Hundreds for a vinyl copy. :scratch:
Jeepers, you couldn't make it up. :lol:
I get hundreds of thousands of albums available at the click of a mouse for a tenner a month.
It sounds superb.
But, hey, we're all different.
Diversity rules!
The Black Adder
28-09-2017, 06:54
I love the physicality of a record... I don't mind paying over the odds but nothing like what some people are asking.
Luckily I had the forethought of buying a lot of my vinyl with the cd version since the early 90's. I've had them in boxes ever since.
Personally, I don't like spotify, Tinder and I would never subscribe to such a service. I find my music as it comes...
As Jerry said: Diversity Rules :) lol
Buying records at usual price is a great way to get your music. Buying rare stuff is because your a collector of such, even if its just with one or two groups, is completely another. If your not a collector then dont buy them. Streaming is the way forward convenience wise, but you do lose the physicality
montesquieu
28-09-2017, 07:34
Simply can't imagine paying that for a record. Need head examined territory. Clearly an LP is more fun than a CD so worth a bit more, but that's just silly. Music isn't stamp collecting.
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Personally, I don't like spotify, Tinder and I would never subscribe to such a service. I find my music as it comes...
I didn't know you could buy music via Tinder.
walpurgis
28-09-2017, 08:15
All cdp's sound the same
To whom?
farflungstar
28-09-2017, 08:26
It isn't about collecting, it's about not having a digital source and wanting an album/music that isn't available as a re-release because this love it.
I think once I've upgraded the vinyl end I'll invest in a digital source - I'm not paying that kind of money again.
. Music isn't stamp collecting.
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It is for some people. I don't get it either but then the attraction of collecting anything just for the sake of it has always eluded me.
It could be argued that buying rare vinyl is simply an investment. Unless there is a downswing in the popularity of vinyl, which seems unlikely, the record is going to appreciate in value at a higher rate than inflation.
paulf-2007
28-09-2017, 12:11
I mostly use Spotify, I have around 20 vinyl lp's that I regularly play, the rest and there are not that many don't get played. Playing a cd is a rare thing, usually when the Internet connection is buggering about.
montesquieu
28-09-2017, 12:14
It is for some people. I don't get it either but then the attraction of collecting anything just for the sake of it has always eluded me.
It could be argued that buying rare vinyl is simply an investment. Unless there is a downswing in the popularity of vinyl, which seems unlikely, the record is going to appreciate in value at a higher rate than inflation.
There are no expletives adequate to express how much I hate that sort of nonsense.
People collect all sorts of things, and sometimes its as an investment, and often because they are interested in subject. The fact that they have now become more valuable isnt a crime. folk do it when they buy a house after all
Sherwood
28-09-2017, 12:31
It is for some people. I don't get it either but then the attraction of collecting anything just for the sake of it has always eluded me.
It could be argued that buying rare vinyl is simply an investment. Unless there is a downswing in the popularity of vinyl, which seems unlikely, the record is going to appreciate in value at a higher rate than inflation.
I think you are overly optimistic in your assessment of the investment value of vinyl. I was at University in London in the late 70's and my daily journey would take me through Oxford Street and Tottenham Court Road. Although there were some bargains to be had in the vaults of Simon's Records (long defunct) I seem to recall the typical price of an album as being around £5 then. Adjusting this simply by the RPI would equate to about £15 today which is what I have seen many new and re-issued albums going for in Sainsbury's and elsewhere. However, if we look in terms of income equivalence, that same £5 is equivalent to more than £25 in earnings in 1981. I will resist the temptation as an economist to pontificate on the different methods for calculating adjusted prices and values, but those who want to delve further should go to this site: www.measuringworth.com
My extensive vinyl collection was in storage for the best part of twenty years and as such is in pristine condition. However, I doubt that few people would be willing to pay £15 let alone £25 quid for any but a few of my rare vinyl pressings. Bottom line: buy vinyl as a consumption purchase not an investment!
Geoff
Geoff you might be surprised at what people will pay if you have the right issue and in good condition.
In any case if I bought the record new in 1987 for £5 and can sell it now for £15 adjusting for inflation I'm roughly selling it now for what I paid for it then. That's not bad.
The Black Adder
28-09-2017, 15:26
I just collect the vinyl I like to play... Not for the sake of it.
I do know plenty who collect, one guy I know has over 10,000 records. He has always collected them but since the resurrection of vinyl he now collects as an investment. Some would say that's a shaky boat but others think it's a very good investment.
He has numerous copies of the beatles white album with very low numbers and has everything I have.
His hifi however isn't something to write home about.
I love my vinyl collection because I like to play them although some are still sealed. [emoji4]
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Ive been thinning my collection for years, but may be needing reduced again. Possibly to zero:stalks: Ive collected for all my life really, but not for gain at the time.
The only reason I've ever bought a record is because I thought I might like listening to it. Of course that hasn't always worked out.
Sherwood
28-09-2017, 17:52
Geoff you might be surprised at what people will pay if you have the right issue and in good condition.
In any case if I bought the record new in 1987 for £5 and can sell it now for £15 adjusting for inflation I'm roughly selling it now for what I paid for it then. That's not bad.
Martin,
I mentioned the RPI first because that is what most people are familiar with but in truth it is not the best deflator for this purpose. I would argue that purchasing power is a better deflator, which would mean that the record that cost £5 back then would have represented a "sacrifice" of £25 in terms of earnings in today's money.
I am hoping to start a new long term overseas contract in the new year and would be happy to sell my vinyl at £15 a pop before it all goes back into long term storage. What, no offers?
On a related note, a new Rover Metro cost around £8k 25 years ago. Today, one can buy a Hyundai i10 for not much more in nominal terms. Of course, there is no comparison in terms of quality, the i10 is a better built and better performing car by far. Amazing productivity gains over this period!
Geoff
Martin,
I mentioned the RPI first because that is what most people are familiar with but in truth it is not the best deflator for this purpose. I would argue that purchasing power is a better deflator, which would mean that the record that cost £5 back then would have represented a "sacrifice" of £25 in terms of earnings in today's money.
Hey you are the economist, wo am I to argue? ;) Some things have gone up in price, some things are much cheaper, I thought the point of the RPI was to average that out.? But I suppose you have to take wage inflation into account too, hence spending power being a factor?
Anyway,when I was thinking of selling mine I did some pricing via Discogs and at a very conservative estimate I reckon I could average a tenner an album. That' would net me five grand. I don't reckon I would have any trouble selling them at that estimate, either. So depending on what you have £15 is not unrealistic. However if it's mostly classical you have then forget about it.
Sherwood
28-09-2017, 18:45
Hey you are the economist, wo am I to argue? ;) Some things have gone up in price, some things are much cheaper, I thought the point of the RPI was to average that out.? But I suppose you have to take wage inflation into account too, hence spending power being a factor?
Anyway,when I was thinking of selling mine I did some pricing via Discogs and at a very conservative estimate I reckon I could average a tenner an album. That' would net me five grand. I don't reckon I would have any trouble selling them at that estimate, either. So depending on what you have £15 is not unrealistic. However if it's mostly classical you have then forget about it.
The RPI tracks changes in price over time of a representative basket of goods and services deemed to be typical of an average household. Clearly, that basket has changed over time and it is interesting to see what has been included in previous years compared to now. For example, the 1947 rpi included a gramophone record, but also included a galvanized household bucket, sultanas, a women's corset, and a wooden mangle! It is not representative of price changes for many items, but then it was not designed to be. That is why I suggested purchasing power equivalence to be a better deflator.
Perhaps what is more striking is the change in cd prices since the format was launched over 30 years ago. I recall discs sold then for around £15 quid each. Now, most people would baulk at the idea of paying £15 for a new release!
Geoff
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