View Full Version : Is direction indication still part of the driving test?
narabdela
07-09-2017, 09:32
I know that BMW drivers are exempt, but has this now been extended to all drivers? :steam:
It's becoming a real ball-ache at junctions and mini-roundabouts trying to figure out where the **** people are heading!
Beamer drivers are mostly the worst, followed closely by merc and audi drivers.
RothwellAudio
07-09-2017, 09:57
With the technology available today it should be possible to fit the car with a device that monitors when the car is turned through 90 degrees (or more than, say, 75 degrees) and whether or not the indicators have been used. If the driver's average is more than 40% of turns without indicating the engine management system could shut down the engine, lock all the doors and fill the car with cyanide gas. People's driving would improve quickly, or at least the worst offenders would be removed from circulation.
I'm all for it :eyebrows:
...followed closely by merc and audi drivers.
Ahem, you'll NOT see that from me! It roasts my tits when folks don't signal, so when I'm on the road, I like to set an example instead, for what should be done :)
Honestly, I try to drive as good as I possibly can, and by that I mean courteously and responsibly too, not simply 'textbook', in terms of observing road signs, etc. I think it also helps you to drive well, when you're not surrounded by continual traffic congestion, relaxed and rarely in a hurry to go anywhere :cool:
Marco.
With the technology available today it should be possible to fit the car with a device that monitors when the car is turned through 90 degrees (or more than, say, 75 degrees) and whether or not the indicators have been used. If the driver's average is more than 40% of turns without indicating the engine management system could shut down the engine, lock all the doors and fill the car with cyanide gas. People's driving would improve quickly, or at least the worst offenders would be removed from circulation.
I'm all for it :eyebrows:
Ha - me, too. I like that! Essentially, there needs to be much more control imposed on the (generally dreadful) driving behaviour of the general public, and hard-hitting penalties meted out for non-conformity.
Folks need to learn (the hard way, if necessary) that when they're behind the wheel, they can't just 'do what they like'.
Marco.
jollyfix
07-09-2017, 10:26
I know that BMW drivers are exempt, but has this now been extended to all drivers? :steam:
It's becoming a real ball-ache at junctions and mini-roundabouts trying to figure out where the **** people are heading!
One of my pet hates, i just don't understand why they don't do it.
Another thing are the drivers who indicate , but only after they have manoeuvred.
walpurgis
07-09-2017, 10:30
Another thing are the drivers who indicate , but only after they have manoeuvred.
Yeah. That is hopeless and really gets me. Why bother?
The idea is to let other road users know what you are planning to do, not what you are already doing!! Useless bastards!!! :steam:
It's a reflection of the people who are driving. Back in the day, we waved a hand signal, even in the rain, to let others know we were turning. Then for many years all but the rudest people signaled! Now, no one cares, if you rear end them insurance will claim it is your fault, so they just don't care. They would have to do something considerate of others, and that would be against what they believe! Self driving cars are coming soon, maybe they'll signal?
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In a nutshell, Russell, it's simply sheer laziness/selfishness, which sadly is rife in the world today. Few folks care a jot about how their behaviour impacts on others, on the road or anywhere else; they're too busy staring at their phones, cocooned in their insular little bubbles! :rolleyes:
Marco.
brian2957
07-09-2017, 11:38
Funnily I was talking ( moaning ) to a friend about this problem yesterday . It's selfish , lazy , and rude not using your indicator in good time before you manoeuvre :rolleyes:
prestonchipfryer
07-09-2017, 12:37
You'd be forgiven for thinking that driving as fast as you bloody well can was also a part of the driving test. Driving standards around this part of the world are, at times, very poor. Texting on the phone whilst on the move is very popular as is not indicating which way you are pointing your car. Boils my p*ss.
As for my driving - considerate to all other road users. ;)
Is there a bit in the Highway Code where it says that it is perfectly okay to stop your car right in the middle of the road whilst you nip into a shop or someone's house, providing you put you hazard lights on first?
Because that happens a lot round here.
Is there a bit in the Highway Code where it says that it is perfectly okay to stop your car right in the middle of the road whilst you nip into a shop or someone's house, providing you put you hazard lights on first?
Because that happens a lot round here.
there is.. rule 777, special advice for dicks
RothwellAudio
07-09-2017, 15:52
Is there a bit in the Highway Code where it says that it is perfectly okay to stop your car right in the middle of the road whilst you nip into a shop or someone's house, providing you put you hazard lights on first?
Because that happens a lot round here.
Round here they've even stopped bothering with the hazard warning lights. :mental:
Yeah. That is hopeless and really gets me. Why bother?
The idea is to let other road users know what you are planning to do, not what you are already doing!! Useless bastards!!! :steam:
In my experience it is motorway lorry drivers who are the worse for that: indicating as they change lanes! You have to develop a 'sixth sense' and anticipate drivers not signalling - just as you have to anticipate drivers cutting you up without warning.
One of the problems I have is at roundabouts where you are waiting to join, but a car is on the roundabout on the inside lane. If he is going further around the roundabout, he is not obliged to signal until he has passed the exit before the one he wants, but I have had drivers not do that, so now I'm especially cautious: no doubt to the exasperation of drivers waiting behind me.
Arkless Electronics
07-09-2017, 16:01
I know that BMW drivers are exempt, but has this now been extended to all drivers? :steam:
It's becoming a real ball-ache at junctions and mini-roundabouts trying to figure out where the **** people are heading!
Yes and especially when I'm on my push-bike!:D
spendorman
07-09-2017, 16:59
I have a route that has a particularly difficult right turn, I open my window and give a hand signal, most drivers are quite surprised to see this, and mainly give way to let me in.
I remember when hand signals were de rigueur too, much nicer than the modern day finger signals that proliferate these days - and that's just the young ladies!
One of the problems I have is at roundabouts where you are waiting to join, but a car is on the roundabout on the inside lane. If he is going further around the roundabout, he is not obliged to signal until he has passed the exit before the one he wants, but I have had drivers not do that, so now I'm especially cautious: no doubt to the exasperation of drivers waiting behind me.
Firstly, the drivers behind you simply need to be patient until the 'coast is clear' for you to go. Dawdlers at roundabouts piss me off, but only when they sit there, when the coast is evidently clear, and don't move until there are no cars visible for about a mile! Your actions don't come into that category.
In terms of the bit in bold above, that wasn't how I was taught to drive. Let's take a small roundabout, with three possible exits, on a standard road in a town centre, as an example....
When approaching said roundabout, if I simply wanted to turn left, I'd indicate so in advance and take exit one.
If I wanted to go straight ahead, when approaching the roundabout, I'd indicate RIGHT in advance, until I'd passed exit one, then indicate LEFT and take exit two.
If I wanted to run right, when approaching the roundabout, I'd indicate RIGHT in advance, and maintain that indication all the way round the roundabout, until finally indicating left and taking exit three.
In short, no matter which exit I was leaving the roundabout at, I'd ALWAYS be indicating my intentions, and which direction I was travelling in, to other drivers. What you've said above would mean that no-one else but you would know where you were going until you had passed the exit before the one you wanted, so that's wrong.
When using a roundabout, no matter which exit you're taking, you should be indicating your intentions (as outlined above) to other road users present, BEFORE entering or leaving the roundabout.
Marco.
if your going more than halfway round a roundabout you should select the right side lane and indicate right until passed the exit before your desired one then change indicator to left and move to left lane.
Precisely! I.E, presuming that there was a R/H side lane to use (could be a single lane roundabout), and you're going anywhere other than taking the first available exit. But that's not what Barry was doing....
Marco.
I'm talking about drivers going around a roundabout without indicating until they pass the exit before they one they want to take. I think this is allowed in the Highway Code, but as far as I'm concerned drivers should always state their intentions to other road users and that is the point of un-ambigious signalling.
I'm talking about drivers going around a roundabout without indicating until they pass the exit before they one they want to take. I think this is allowed in the Highway Code, but as far as I'm concerned drivers should always state their intentions to other road users and that is the point of un-ambigious signalling.
if you wish to say use second of 5 turnings and it is not more than half way round the you should only signal left once passed the last exit before yours. no right indication is needed. you should also use the left lane(in general; there will always be special cases)
if you wish to say use second of 5 turnings and it is not more than half way round the you should only signal left once passed the last exit before yours. no right indication is needed. you should also use the left lane(in general; there will always be special cases)
I agree and that is what I do. However I was talking about drivers using the right-hand lane on a roundabout and not indicating at all. You have no idea of their intentions.
if in the centre lane you should be indicating right until you are ready to move left(with a left indication), and to use that lane initially you should be going more than half way round the roundabout technically. again there are road conditions that can make this unnecessary.
if in the centre lane you should be indicating right until you are ready to move left(with a left indication), and to use that lane initially you should be going more than half way round the roundabout technically. again there are road conditions that can make this unnecessary.
Yes - but you should be adressing your comments to those roundabout users who don't indicate until the last minute.
Yes - but you should be adressing your comments to those roundabout users who don't indicate until the last minute.
thought i was:scratch:
I'm talking about drivers going around a roundabout without indicating until they pass the exit before they one they want to take. I think this is allowed in the Highway Code, but as far as I'm concerned drivers should always state their intentions to other road users...
I think you'll find it isn't, that what you're saying is the correct behaviour at roundabouts [and when making a manoeuvre anywhere else on the road] - and indeed is what should be taught to learners by any competent driving instructor! ;)
Marco.
P.S You have a reply to your PM. Best address your query here, which I'll reply to later in detail: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?1645-Recipes-for-scrumptious-and-reasonably-healthy-food&p=891278#post891278
if you wish to say use second of 5 turnings and it is not more than half way round the you should only signal left once passed the last exit before yours. no right indication is needed...
Sorry, it is, before making your exit (at turning 2), otherwise how do drivers sat waiting for you to pass (at, to you what is turning one), as they'll be giving way to you coming from their right, know that you're exiting at turning 2, and not at the point they're entering the roundabout? That's how crashes happen! ;)
It doesn't matter if you're halfway round or not, you still have to indicate where you're going.
Marco.
spendorman
08-09-2017, 11:14
Driving a 27 year old Volvo is a great bonus, most people keep well away.
Sorry, it is, before making your exit (at turning 2), otherwise how do drivers sat waiting for you to pass (at, to you what is turning one), as they'll be giving way to you coming from their right, know that you're exiting at turning 2, and not at the point they're entering the roundabout? That's how crashes happen! ;)
It doesn't matter if you're halfway round or not, you still have to indicate where you're going.
Marco.
Exactly - that was my complaint.
Driving a 27 year old Volvo is a great bonus, most people keep well away.
It often works the other way round too, driving an expensive car, as no-one wants to pay for the costs of fixing the damage (and their insurance premiums going through the roof, as a result), if crashing into it was their fault! ;)
Marco.
Exactly - that was my complaint.
No worries, but you weren't explaining yourself very well ;)
Marco.
spendorman
08-09-2017, 11:27
It often works the other way round too, driving an expensive car, as no-one wants to pay for the costs of fixing the damage (and their insurance premiums going through the roof, as a result), if crashing into it was their fault! ;)
Marco.
To a certain extent, yes, but in my experience not as much. I used to work for Janspeed, and drove many exotic cars. Still, I'm an inverted snob!! I think!
spendorman
08-09-2017, 11:30
It often works the other way round too, driving an expensive car, as no-one wants to pay for the costs of fixing the damage (and their insurance premiums going through the roof, as a result), if crashing into it was their fault! ;)
Marco.
My flat cap and tweed jacket might help too! Just joking, not wearing those - yet.
To a certain extent, yes, but in my experience not as much.
Yeah, on balance I'd agree. Much more fun though, I'd have thought, driving an "exotic" car (providing you liked it) than a 27-year old Volvo? ;)
I simply can't abide driving around in an 'old shed'. I like my cars to look immaculate, inside and out (and keep them that way), no matter what I've paid for it, as it pisses me off otherwise. When I open the door, I need to feel that I'm stepping inside something that's 'nice', and which continually delivers that 'feel-good factor'...
However, maybe your old Volvo is a minter, or it does precisely that too, for you? :eyebrows:
Marco.
You should know if person is in left lane and not indicating he will be leaving when he indicates left. Indicating right suggests he wants to move to right lane
jollyfix
08-09-2017, 11:47
Most fun I've had in cars was not driving as i wasn't allowed, but my mate used to work at a garage where the Police cars were serviced/ fixed etc. He would take the car he was working on for a test drive, i would go with him sometimes. The looks we would get, a guy with long hair and spiked beard and a guy with a purple mohican driving.
You should know if person is in left lane and not indicating he will be leaving when he indicates left. Indicating right suggests he wants to move to right lane
Soz, mate, I disagree. It's all about making your intentions on the road as obvious as possible, without involving anyone using guesswork!
Indicating right at a roundabout, in the instance I've given, simply means that the driver concerned is still in the process of completing his manoeuvre. *Nothing* else but that should be read into his indicating.
In any case, technically, he is moving *towards* the right-hand side of the roundabout, from the position he entered it, by taking turning 2.
Marco.
Most fun I've had in cars was not driving as i wasn't allowed, but my mate used to work at a garage where the Police cars were serviced/ fixed etc. He would take the car he was working on for a test drive, i would go with him sometimes. The looks we would get, a guy with long hair and spiked beard and a guy with a purple mohican driving.
Now that would've been a giggle! :D
Marco.
No Signalling = Arrogance : Why should I tell you where I am going, it's none of your business. It is simply an extension of the "I want to and so I will" attitude that pervades society "I will do what I want, when I want" and I don't give a shit about anyone else.
I couldn't agree more - and I utterly ABHOR that attitude.
That why the behaviour of people today needs to be controlled more by law, in many important aspects of life, as quite clearly, many of them are unwilling or incapable of behaving properly themselves!
Marco.
spendorman
08-09-2017, 13:09
Yeah, on balance I'd agree. Much more fun though, I'd have thought, driving an "exotic" car (providing you liked it) than a 27-year old Volvo? ;)
I simply can't abide driving around in an 'old shed'. I like my cars to look immaculate, inside and out (and keep them that way), no matter what I've paid for it, as it pisses me off otherwise. When I open the door, I need to feel that I'm stepping inside something that's 'nice', and which continually delivers that 'feel-good factor'...
However, maybe your old Volvo is a minter, or it does precisely that too, for you? :eyebrows:
Marco.
Although an engineer, all modern cars are pretty well beyond me sorting everything out if it went wrong, expensive. I am happy that I can fix almost anything on the old brick, self reliant, not that anything much has ever gone wrong. It's in very respectable condition too. The only advisory during it's last MOT was "It's in nice nick mate". Still, if my Premium Bond comes up with a big win, I shall be buying the very rare Rolls Canardly.
Totally get and appreciate that, Alex. I'm no engineer, so I leave all required in-depth 'fettling' and maintenance to trusted experts.
I love classic cars, but mainly for their looks and build quality, as the fact is they simply don't handle anything like as well as most good modern cars, let alone something that's been judiciously (read as, expertly) modified/improved with the highest quality bespoke modern parts.
What's a Rolls Canardly? I'm unfamiliar with that particular model.
Marco.
spendorman
08-09-2017, 13:34
Totally get and appreciate that, Alex. I'm no engineer, so I leave all required in-depth 'fettling' and maintenance to trusted experts.
I love classic cars, but mainly for their looks and build quality, as the fact is they simply don't handle anything like as well as most good modern cars, let alone something that's been judiciously (read as, expertly) modified/improved with the highest quality bespoke parts.
What's a Rolls Canardly? I'm unfamiliar with that particular model.
Marco.
Sorry, look up Rolls Canardly, Rolls down the hill, carardly get up the other side.
Ha - very good!! :lol:
Marco.
Pieoftheday
08-09-2017, 16:24
Beamer drivers are mostly the worst, followed closely by merc and audi drivers.
Coming from a bikers perspective it used to be Volvo drivers,they were so safe in their Volvo's everyone else could bollocks! I ride a BMW at the moment and always indicate:)
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