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jandl100
13-09-2017, 07:43
They look very smart, Steve! :thumbsup:
They look very smart, Steve! :thumbsup:
More important they sound superb [emoji41]
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Frazeur1
13-09-2017, 11:16
Nice Steve! There is a guy not far from me that is building similar speaker designs using the Jordan speaker, I need to get over and take a listen to them. No idea as to cost of them though. www.arsharmonia.com
By the way, also like the Bladerunner on the TV....
Dispersion patterns at bass frequencies are virtually omnidirectional, so the orientation of the driver is less critical. Also, even if side or even rear facing, the bass driver is not far enough away from other drivers to make much phase difference, due to the long (many feet) wavelengths at low frequencies.
That's the theory but in practise it is utter bull crap. I always knew where my Martin Logan Descent subwoofer was placed in the room.
When you have 3 large long throw drivers shifting a shedload of air, you know where it is coming from.
Nice Steve! There is a guy not far from me that is building similar speaker designs using the Jordan speaker, I need to get over and take a listen to them. No idea as to cost of them though. www.arsharmonia.com
By the way, also like the Bladerunner on the TV....
The guy you know is probably getting a Talesin which is ARS Harmonias own design for the Eikona 2, not available here in the U.K. although is looks similar to my VTLs it's a conventional ported reflex whereas the VTL as the name implies is a Vented Transmission Line. The Eikona 2 is a very versatile driver that can be used successfully in many different cabinet designs the most popular being my VTLs and the bookshelf sized Reflex 7, a friend of mine has some Reflex 7 and really rates them highly. Big fan of Blade Runner, eagerly awaiting the new movies release next month, big shoes to fill as the original was groundbreaking.
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montesquieu
13-09-2017, 12:11
My Tannoy Canterburys (designed by Paul at RFC) with and without grilles
https://i.imgur.com/kkJyEYr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FLGMlRf.jpg
Apologies for the rubbish iphone pics. Note the 'stop gap' Radford STA25 Mk3 while Will is working on my Radford STA100.
. Note the 'stop gap' Radford STA25 Mk3 while Will is working on my Radford STA100.
Having to slum it with an STA25, I don't know.
montesquieu
13-09-2017, 12:35
Having to slum it with an STA25, I don't know.
I know it's a real hardship ;)
Nice pics (and system), Tom! Just my kind of room, cosy and traditional, tidy but also 'lived in': just a nice invitng place to kick back and listen to some choons! :cool:
Can't be doing with these cold looking, 'minimalist' dwellings, which always look as if they've just been burgled, but the burglar forgot to take the TV and hi-fi!
Oh, and on that subject, no nasty big, plastic widescreen TV sat in the middle of your system, as is so often the case these days... Respect. I presume you have a separate room for all that nonsense? ;)
Marco.
walpurgis
13-09-2017, 13:28
That's the theory but in practise it is utter bull crap. I always knew where my Martin Logan Descent subwoofer was placed in the room.
Charming.
And misses the point. I said "orientation of the driver". Not position of a subwoofer.
montesquieu
13-09-2017, 14:38
Oh, and on that subject, no nasty big, plastic widescreen TV sat in the middle of your system, as is so often the case these days... Respect. I presume you have a separate room for all that nonsense? ;)
Marco.
I don't own a TV, I haven't for about 12 years. I listen to the radio, subscribe to a few magazines (Economist, Spectator, New Scientist) on paper though I read them just as often on the iPad, read books and listen to music. Also subscribe to a few podcasts.
The wife watches stuff from her home country on the laptop and on the odd occasion we watch a DVD or whatever we do it on my 15in Macbook. I do subscribe to Netflix when something I want to watch comes out (like House of Cards back in the spring) and I took 5 weeks' worth of NowTV subscription to catch Game of Thrones recently .. but TV watching isn't a habit and I like it that way.
The Black Adder
13-09-2017, 14:53
Very nice, Tom... They look great.
jollyfix
13-09-2017, 15:10
I don't own a TV, I haven't for about 12 years. I listen to the radio, subscribe to a few magazines (Economist, Spectator, New Scientist) on paper though I read them just as often on the iPad, read books and listen to music. Also subscribe to a few podcasts.
The wife watches stuff from her home country on the laptop and on the odd occasion we watch a DVD or whatever we do it on my 15in Macbook. I do subscribe to Netflix when something I want to watch comes out (like House of Cards back in the spring) and I took 5 weeks' worth of NowTV subscription to catch Game of Thrones recently .. but TV watching isn't a habit and I like it that way.
Almost the same here Tom. A while back whilst at a mates house, the tv was on , they were watching a show about people watching TV. I couldn't get my head round that. We look at stuff online sometimes, a few mates work as wildlife camera guys, so any of their stuff comes on , i'll watch that. Mrs works in film, so she more cinema than TV.
Music the way to go... Very nice system BTW.
watch telly a lot although not much terrestrial; mostly my films etc or amazon/netflix. like documentaries
My Tannoy Canterburys (designed by Paul at RFC) with and without grilles
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Apologies for the rubbish iphone pics. Note the 'stop gap' Radford STA25 Mk3 while Will is working on my Radford STA100.
Love the look of those Tannoy's Tom. I'm sure Paul at RFC has done a fantastic job.
I had the pleasure recently of listening to one of Will's restored STA100s driving a pair of Paul's speakers. I gotta tell you Tom you are in for one fantastic treat once you get your STA100 back from Will.
I don't own a TV, I haven't for about 12 years. I listen to the radio, subscribe to a few magazines (Economist, Spectator, New Scientist) on paper though I read them just as often on the iPad, read books and listen to music. Also subscribe to a few podcasts.
The wife watches stuff from her home country on the laptop and on the odd occasion we watch a DVD or whatever we do it on my 15in Macbook. I do subscribe to Netflix when something I want to watch comes out (like House of Cards back in the spring) and I took 5 weeks' worth of NowTV subscription to catch Game of Thrones recently .. but TV watching isn't a habit and I like it that way.
Nice one. I respect that, although I'm not sure I could do the same. I generally always do more music listening than TV watching, but there are certain things on TV I couldn't do without watching, particularly my beloved Glasgow Celtic! :)
I also love watching the odd film on the home-cinema system, but that's in a separate room altogether from the main 2-channel system. The other thing of course is DVDs/Blurays, recorded in 5.1 surround sound. When you hear that through a good system, and with a top-notch widescreen TV handling the visuals, it really can be quite an experience.
Marco.
montesquieu
13-09-2017, 16:34
Nice one. I respect that, although I'm not sure I could do the same. I generally always do more music listening than TV watching, but there are certain things on TV I couldn't do without watching, particularly my beloved Glasgow Celtic! :)
I also love watching the odd film on the home-cinema system, but that's in a separate room altogether from the main 2-channel system. The other thing of course is DVDs/Blurays, recorded in 5.1 surround sound. When you hear that through a good system, and with a top-notch widescreen TV handling the visuals, it really can be quite an experience.
Marco.
Yes I visit a friend in Hull who has a high-end 5-channel system that he watches opera and ballet on ... it's certainly impressive. I'm more of a chamber music guy (and when it comes to televised music performance, cameras pinging around zooming in on individual musicians makes me seasick) but I can see the value for films or theatrical productions.
I weaned myself off watching football years ago though I still check the Celtic result, then the Rangers ... not that it mattered for a while hee hee.
dantheman91
13-09-2017, 16:41
Current Audio Note ANJ/D
Much tidier room their
Charming.
And misses the point. I said "orientation of the driver". Not position of a subwoofer.It wasn't a poke at you in any way though I totally see why you think it was. Bad post plain and simple.
The real angle is I get fed up with people who say you only need one sub because bass is omnidirectional. Not quite the case here, as you pointed out.
walpurgis
13-09-2017, 17:42
No probs Justin. Understood. :)
montesquieu
13-09-2017, 17:52
The real angle is I get fed up with people who say you only need one sub because bass is omnidirectional. Not quite the case here, as you pointed out.
Totally agree. In a brief period using full range horns I found that only adding a pair of subs (two fairly giant Ruarks) really worked in quite a large (5m x 7m) room - a single sounded lopsided. Then of course I added supertweeters to satisfy a lack at the top end ... ultimately I realised that I was creating a 3-way speaker without any proper design effort (or indeed any maths, which usually turns out to be necessary when creating speaker setup) and gave up. Interesting exercise though.
Yes I visit a friend in Hull who has a high-end 5-channel system that he watches opera and ballet on ... it's certainly impressive. I'm more of a chamber music guy (and when it comes to televised music performance, cameras pinging around zooming in on individual musicians makes me seasick) but I can see the value for films or theatrical productions.
I weaned myself off watching football years ago though I still check the Celtic result, then the Rangers ... not that it mattered for a while hee hee.
Yeah I get that. I also enjoy some of the classical music performances on Sky Arts (we've got Sky Q installed), as the sound quality can be excellent. I like most forms of classical music, even a bit of opera!
So who was/is your team, then? I'm not buying this 'I still check the Celtic result, then Rangers' malarkey... Coming from Scotland, you either support/have leanings towards one or the other ;)
Marco.
montesquieu
13-09-2017, 18:05
Yeah I get that. I also enjoy some of the classical music performances on Sky Arts (we've got Sky Q installed), as the sound quality can be excellent. I like most forms of classical music, even a bit of opera!
So who was/is your team, then? I'm not buying this 'I still check the Celtic result, then Rangers' malarkey... Coming from Scotland, you either support/have leanings towards one or the other ;)
Marco.
I lived in New Zealand for three years back in the 90s, and my 'local' (as in every night, being single at the time) was an Irish pub in central Wellington, in fact I ended up gigging there at one point in a band doing traditional Scottish and Irish tunes.
Anyway I remember a couple of years in, a Scottish guy showing up. Turned out he was from Motherwell which is where I originally hail from. I was well out of practice but we ended up doing the usual West of Scotland 'what school did you go to' / really asking 'what foot do you kick with' dance. When he found out I was on the green side rather than the orange, that was the end of the conversation. In fact he didn't speak to me again for the whole fortnight he was in the country. Bizarre and reminded me of one of the reasons why I left Scotland in the first place. (When I came back I moved south).
I thought you would have worked it out Marco when I indicated a wee giggle about the so, so desperately sad plight of Rangers for several years. (Or at least that was my intention).
<snip>
The real angle is I get fed up with people who say you only need one sub because bass is omnidirectional. <snip>.
Oh, very interesting. I'm currently having an email exchange with a member of this parish about me possibly buying one of his subs. Will I be unsatisfied with just one sub even if optimally placed? Hope not as the cost will be doubled. :)
Totally agree. In a brief period using full range horns I found that only adding a pair of subs (two fairly giant Ruarks) really worked in quite a large (5m x 7m) room - a single sounded lopsided. Then of course I added supertweeters to satisfy a lack at the top end ... ultimately I realised that I was creating a 3-way speaker without any proper design effort (or indeed any maths, which usually turns out to be necessary when creating speaker setup) and gave up. Interesting exercise though.Yup ditched mine - trying to make it work with a full range planar system was a no go. Lop sided balance, and long throw subs seriously upset my wife with wall penetrating bass. Plus anything below 20Hz isn't really worth hearing unless your into organs etc. There's quite a bit of rubbish below 20Hz on a lot of recordings you just don't want to be hearing.
That said I could have got a better blend if I had set it up in a better manner. The Descent's controls were designed to cut in at too high a frequency for my speakers.
montesquieu
13-09-2017, 18:24
Oh, very interesting. I'm currently having an email exchange with a member of this parish about me possibly buying one of his subs. Will I be unsatisfied with just one sub even if optimally placed? Hope not as the cost will be doubled. :)
Depends what you are trying to do ... a sub in the middle of a couple of small standmounts in a smallish room might well work if expectations aren't too high. Expecting to stick it in a corner of a larger room ('because low bass is omnidirectional') will likely disappoint (it isn't, as Justin said). With a pair you can turn both lower which reduces the risk of distortion, which makes it a better bet I think.
Depends what you are trying to do ... a sub in the middle of a couple of small standmounts in a smallish room might well work if expectations aren't too high. Expecting to stick it in a corner of a larger room ('because low bass is omnidirectional') will likely disappoint (it isn't, as Justin said). With a pair you can turn both lower which reduces the risk of distortion, which makes it a better bet I think.
Thanks Tom. Much appreciated and useful.
Did you see my earlier post to you in this thread?
montesquieu
13-09-2017, 18:30
Thanks Tom. Much appreciated and useful.
Did you see my earlier post to you in this thread?
Yes I did. I was in touch with Will today picking the colour of the STA100's finish. Getting very excited now :)
Oh, very interesting. I'm currently having an email exchange with a member of this parish about me possibly buying one of his subs. Will I be unsatisfied with just one sub even if optimally placed? Hope not as the cost will be doubled. :)Buy it, try it and see if you can make it work by moving it around. Much will depend on the design of the sub (how it radiates bass directionally - the Descent was almost omni like - so placing it mid room created seriously noticeable standing waves) and if the frequency it cuts in at can be tailored to match your speakers.
Yes I did. I was in touch with Will today picking the colour of the STA100's finish. Getting very excited now :)
Yes I bet. My dream would be 100w monoblocks made by Will.
Hey I can dream .... :)
Buy it, try it and see if you can make it work by moving it around. Much will depend on the design of the sub (how it radiates bass directionally - the Descent was almost omni like - so placing it mid room created seriously noticeable standing waves) and if the frequency it cuts in at can be tailored to match your speakers.
Thanks for that. Need to get my thinking cap on.
I lived in New Zealand for three years back in the 90s, and my 'local' (as in every night, being single at the time) was an Irish pub in central Wellington, in fact I ended up gigging there at one point in a band doing traditional Scottish and Irish tunes.
Anyway I remember a couple of years in, a Scottish guy showing up. Turned out he was from Motherwell which is where I originally hail from. I was well out of practice but we ended up doing the usual West of Scotland 'what school did you go to' / really asking 'what foot do you kick with' dance. When he found out I was on the green side rather than the orange, that was the end of the conversation. In fact he didn't speak to me again for the whole fortnight he was in the country. Bizarre and reminded me of one of the reasons why I left Scotland in the first place. (When I came back I moved south).
Lol - nice story... What a tosser that guy was, and at the time too, his team would've been winning everything! I also can't stand that bigoted/sectarian nonsense, and haven't missed it since I left Glasgow either.
Here in Wales, we both share common ground against the English [joke]! ;)
I thought you would have worked it out Marco when I indicated a wee giggle about the so, so desperately sad plight of Rangers for several years. (Or at least that was my intention).
Yeah, but I just wanted to be sure. Don't how you could ever 'wean yourself off' something like that, if you were a true supporter. It's in my blood, so I'll go to my grave as a staunch Celtic fan! :)
Marco.
Halfway Tree
14-09-2017, 16:19
https://vgy.me/z2RvEf.jpg
These are possibly the best speakers I have ever heard. Certainly the best for soundstaging, so good compared to anything else it just isn't funny. I think you can build them for a couple of grand if you have the skills and the tools. Designed for active operation though.
Thanks Martin, that's very kind of you. Cost me about £1250 to build including having the top baffle CNC'd. But as you say they are designed for active operation only so active xover, dacs and power amps can add up, although a hypex-based Norge multichannel amp would do the job nicely I think.
There was a commercial version floating around at Whittlebury a few years back for £20K. They were really quite good. Not flawless, but I was impressed. And I rarely am, really.
That's interesting Justin as I'm certain that they are only available as DIY plans purchased directly from Siegfried Linkwitz or as a licensed flat pack kit from MagicLX521 in Germany and Madisound in the US.
Love those Apogee's, btw - beautiful finish and a sound to go with it!
jandl100
14-09-2017, 16:40
Here's a pic of the Linkwitz design at Whittlebury show, courtesy of Hifi Pig on Google images.
They were there several years running.
£20k as I recall it as well.
I thought they sounded excellent.
http://hifipig.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/National_Audio_show_2013_2.jpg
Nice wide baffles there, I see.... [Winky-winky] ;)
Marco.
Arkless Electronics
14-09-2017, 17:03
https://vgy.me/z2RvEf.jpg
Thanks Martin, that's very kind of you. Cost me about £1250 to build including having the top baffle CNC'd. But as you say they are designed for active operation only so active xover, dacs and power amps can add up, although a hypex-based Norge multichannel amp would do the job nicely I think.
That's interesting Justin as I'm certain that they are only available as DIY plans purchased directly from Siegfried Linkwitz or as a licensed flat pack kit from MagicLX521 in Germany and Madisound in the US.
Love those Apogee's, btw - beautiful finish and a sound to go with it!
I'll "big up" these bad boys as well... One of the best speakers I've ever heard at any price. I heard these at a NEBO and they made every other speaker there, including some expensive and well respected models, sound like toys to be honest...
jandl100
14-09-2017, 17:17
Nice wide baffles there, I see.... [Winky-winky] ;)
Marco.
Yep.
One of the best imaging speakers I have owned were the Martin Logan CLS2z at 28 inches wide. Now that is wiiiide! :eek:
Halfway Tree
14-09-2017, 18:17
Here's a pic of the Linkwitz design at Whittlebury show, courtesy of Hifi Pig on Google images.
They were there several years running.
£20k as I recall it as well.
I thought they sounded excellent.
http://hifipig.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/National_Audio_show_2013_2.jpg
Aah, thanks Jerry. I remember them now, they are Linkwitz Orions, the predecessor to the LX521s and much more expensive to build. If I remember correctly they were not an "official" Linkwitz licensed build.
User211 - bringing the past to the present:D
Here's a video I took of them in 2012. They were nicely made and they did sound good. Unfortunately they were shot with a Samsung camera whose mics are nowhere near as good as my current Sony. Better than nowt, though.
The bass was generally pretty good but did seem to have some boomish issue, if I remember correctly, which gave the speaker a warm balance. Not such a bad thing. Definitely a good speaker in my book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WITZm7RAmo
Yep.
One of the best imaging speakers I have owned were the Martin Logan CLS2z at 28 inches wide. Now that is wiiiide! :eek:
The Quad 57s are 34" wide.
My Apogee's are 29 inches wide - and a lot taller than a 57. As is a CLS. Sticky outty tonguey.
I put some Tung Sol 6A3 in the Lamplzator last night (swapped the PX4s out) and the imaging was just bats. Massive fore and aft depth.
The recent crossover re-do is also surely the work of a genius, I figured, after beer number 4:D
Vanity shot.
http://i.imgur.com/9jKqijl.jpg
They look like they could do some damage[emoji41]
paulf-2007
14-09-2017, 20:37
Nice wide baffles there, I see.... [Winky-winky] ;)
Marco.
Put your winky away please Marco :)
walpurgis
14-09-2017, 20:46
A blast from the past. Tannoy IIILZ speakers on my first proper system. Circa 1972.
http://i66.tinypic.com/1zv7vc4.jpg
Beobloke
14-09-2017, 21:00
Vanity shot.
http://i.imgur.com/9jKqijl.jpg
Proper speakers!! :eek:
They look like they could do some damage...
Well, as the girls always say, girth does more damage then length! :eyebrows::eyebrows:
Marco.
Beobloke
14-09-2017, 21:07
Showing off with two pairs of speakers in the lounge currently. On the outside - Mowgan Audio Ogmas; on the inside - Duntech Marquis PCL-500s
The Duntechs are currently for sale on a well known auction site *cough*
jandl100
15-09-2017, 07:51
Showing off with two pairs of speakers in the lounge currently. On the outside - Mowgan Audio Ogmas; on the inside - Duntech Marquis PCL-500s
The Duntechs are currently for sale on a well known auction site *cough*
Wow - those Duntechs look awesome - 5 feet tall! :stalks:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2iIAAOSwNf1ZuWXf/s-l1600.jpg
reubensheldon
15-09-2017, 08:34
My man cave set up. Art Audio + monitor audio sub to add a little bass warmth. I've heard art audio are offering diamond tweeter upgrades which I'd like to hear.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170915/999bf1bc6d088b689d8f819215e9de7e.jpg
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Beobloke
15-09-2017, 08:45
Wow - those Duntechs look awesome - 5 feet tall! :stalks:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2iIAAOSwNf1ZuWXf/s-l1600.jpg
They really are genuinely very good and I would love to keep them. However, they still can't beat the Mowgans and they're way too big for my 'man cave'.
Especially as said man cave already has Leak 3090s, B&O Beovox MS150.2s and 23 turntables in it...
walpurgis
15-09-2017, 08:47
and 23 turntables in it...
Thought I was bad enough with eight.
Well, peeps living in the shires with there big rooms/ mansions can handle that I guess ?
Does that include your bedsit? ;)
Marco.
Well, we have a lovely 3 bedroom gdn flat 3 miles from central London but its not the size of many property s in say Wrexham area perhaps ?
For example listening rooms is only 16ft x 9ft, never going to get 23 turntables in that. b w B
Well, we have a lovely 3 bedroom gdn flat 3 miles from central London but its not the size of many property s in say Wrexham area perhaps ?
For example listening rooms is only 16ft x 9ft, never going to get 23 turntables in that. b w B
Lol... Good luck living near London these days! I'll stick to the relative safety and serenity of North Wales ;)
Marco.
Michael loves music
15-09-2017, 14:50
I'd hate to live in a London I love the countryside
+1 Ye can keep it!
Marco.
Best city on earth. :cool:
Mind you it would be great to have bigger listening rooms for speakers - and oh yes not the traffic, noise, pollution, poor air quality and the occasional attack.
Keeping things on track I wish these would be my speakers I could show off. Someday. Maybe tomorrow as I got a Lotto ticket. :champagne:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55f2f41ee4b0ef7e0849e07a/t/56428d53e4b0b0751fe001da/1447202134263/?format=300w
I'd hate to live in a London I love the countryside
or by the sea :eyebrows: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/be/79/9abe7958f19eba4a207a4aea14162acc--girls-on-bicycles-girls-on-bikes.jpg
Michael loves music
15-09-2017, 17:03
What a gorgeous photo
paulf-2007
15-09-2017, 17:09
Showing off with two pairs of speakers in the lounge currently. On the outside - Mowgan Audio Ogmas; on the inside - Duntech Marquis PCL-500s
The Duntechs are currently for sale on a well known auction site *cough*i hope the Duntechs sound great 'cause they is fugly.
I'd have them. In the dark all cats are grey.
Pieoftheday
15-09-2017, 17:24
or by the sea :eyebrows: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/be/79/9abe7958f19eba4a207a4aea14162acc--girls-on-bicycles-girls-on-bikes.jpg
Gggrrrr......
Here's a pic of my workshop speakers...Urei 811As, with subs based on JBL 2226 drivers and Mission plate amps underneath.
http://i63.tinypic.com/s5aio1.jpg
There are also tantalising glimpses of two other speakers standing on top (not currently in use), the identification of which will, I'm sure present no problem to AOSers!
Bought these from Henchard. Back to 63's.again
https://www.flickr.com/gp/151976281@N04/7t63jR
mightymonoped
19-09-2017, 17:09
Loving the detail and soundstage from these puppies (AVI Nu Neutrons). Going to keep the MS 400 in the family though as I consider them the audio equivalent of National Heritage [emoji4].
Tempted to try the subwoofer nextdoor with the AVI's now (it's only a cheap n cheerfull Wharefdale sw150 though)? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/7ddda222b5380a5a3d60c247abb4edd9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170919/ce36f0e160a2249df563db4a594efd05.jpg
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My Usher Dancer Mini2 Diamond DMDs
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4431/37401797665_abba2ed73c_k.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4423/37402043305_d89081ea55_k.jpg
farflungstar
23-09-2017, 20:27
My New Kensington SE's - Ane's in spare room.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170923/06151f09ba2b84ccaa35a7a0d7bb3dac.jpg
walpurgis
23-09-2017, 20:35
Jolly good! :)
They look great. In fact your whole system looks fantastic.
That red rug wants taking out and burning though ;)
farflungstar
23-09-2017, 21:47
They look great. In fact your whole system looks fantastic.
That red rug wants taking out and burning though ;)Lol. It's claret, the photo is a bit over saturated - plus it's better sonically than the cow skin it replaced for reflections. eyebrowz
walpurgis
23-09-2017, 22:43
Is this better? :)
http://i65.tinypic.com/35a62ky.jpg
jandl100
24-09-2017, 06:21
They look great. In fact your whole system looks fantastic.
That red rug wants taking out and burning though ;)
No! The rug looks good. :thumbsup:
It's the speakers that want burning. :eyebrows: (posted by Tannoy Hater Supreme ;) ).
--- no offence intended. ANE now Tannoy. We are just on a totally different planet, audio-wise.
Behave, you! ;)
Love all your kit, Adrian, and I rate your speakers highly, as a good friend of mine and amplifier designer uses the very same. The only thing I can't get on with, and it's a personal taste thing, is that 'red mahogany' wood finish, as I'm more of an (light/medium) oak, or black kind of guy.
Don't mind the rug though, as it fits in with the rest of the decor! :)
Marco.
farflungstar
24-09-2017, 08:19
Is this better? :)
http://i65.tinypic.com/35a62ky.jpgLol yes.
No! The rug looks good. [emoji106]
It's the speakers that want burning. :eyebrows: (posted by Tannoy Hater Supreme ;) ).
--- no offence intended. ANE now Tannoy. We are just on a totally different planet, audio-wise.Haters gonna hate, as they say.
I reckon I could catch you out, though. I think if I placed a pair of Kingdom Royals behind a pair of curtains that were reasonably acoustically transparent, but not visually so, with Thrax amps and an MSB DAC, you'd like it.
Why? Because that combo sounds great and quite uncoloured in a big room i.e. quite un-vintage-Tannoy like. And indeed unlike the Prestige range or anywhere near Westminster Royal like (which I have always hated).
VFM is totally out of the window for that system but that isn't the point.
jandl100
24-09-2017, 08:44
Possibly.
I haven't heard all Tannoy candidates.
I recall a smallish pair of Edens (?) at the Scalford Show a few years back that seemed surprisingly enjoyable for the few minutes I was in the room.
And I managed about 4 hours with Tannoy 10 or 12" HPD in Lancaster cabs I was kindly loaned for my Scalford dem room one year before deep loathing started to set in.
So hoo nose?
I believe it's the Tannoy DC midrange 'honk' (and associated coloration), and which to his ears impacts so adversely on the music he likes, that's the reason for Jerry's hatred of Tannoys.
I can hear *exactly* what he means, and I'm afraid that although it can be tamed to some extent (and exists more in some models than others), it can never be cured, as it's inherent in the DC/horn-tweeter design, thus part of its sonic signature.
It doesn't bother me at all, as for me speakers, more than anything else, are all about choosing your compromises [as none are perfect], and to my ears, the sonic advantages of big Tannoy DCs vastly out way the negatives. I can certainly live with that type of coloration/limitation more than I can with that of some OBs or electrostatics...
However, each to his or her own. It would be a boring world if we all liked the same things! ;)
Marco.
jandl100
24-09-2017, 08:55
Although I hate to say it ;) - Marco is a remarkably insightful guy.
Yup, that honk stands between me and the music like the old Berlin Wall, barbed wire and machine gun towers included!
Others don't seem to even hear it, which I find distinctly strange.
Marco does hear it, but doesn't mind - which leaves me far happier!
walpurgis
24-09-2017, 08:57
From my experience, the honk is less noticeable with the later ceramic magnet Tannoys. I believe this is due to the shorter compression driver horn.
The so called honk is just a tonal characteristic and can be heard with many horn tweeters. It will occur at varying frequencies, depending on horn width, flare profile and length.
I've not thought it excessive with Tannoys and find it slightly highlights part of the mid spectrum in a way I enjoy.
farflungstar
24-09-2017, 09:01
I spent hours yesterday listening for the 'honk' - but couldn't hear it - a very very slight hardness in a trumpet perhaps but it's nit picking.
Edit - many many years ago I had altecs with horn compression driver and they definitely had a honk so I can and have heard it.
Infinitely Baffled
24-09-2017, 15:32
I'm certain that Adrian's speakers are great and sound fabulous, but why oh why does Tannoy think it makes their top range speakers look "classy"to dress them up as faux antique furniture? All they need are a set of Queen Anne legs and some carved gargoyles on the top corners, and they are good to go for the Antiques Roadshow tonight!
Sorry, Adrian. I'm really not trying to be bitchy, but it's something that I have always thought weird about up-market Tannoys.
IB
Probably because most folk spending that money will need them to look good in a classy home. Might not be of course. I quite like them that way
farflungstar
24-09-2017, 15:38
Lol no worries. They're not exactly my favourite cabinet design either. I prefer the latest style though they look like 1930's radiograms lol. The driver's are truly truly beautiful to behold - compared to the Ane's - and their build quality is second to none - luckily my room is stuffed with old crap from flea markets and antique shops so they blend in.
Probably because most folk spending that money will need them to look good in a classy home. Might not be of course. I quite like them that way
I read that it is because that is what they want in the Far East. They want them to look like the old ones did. A bit like Rolls Royce, you keep the dated styling because that is part of what identifies it as Rolls Royce.
Probably because most folk spending that money will need them to look good in a classy home.
The problem is, they won't... Unless said "classy home" is full of vulgar bling ;)
Soz, Adrian, but I'm with Gary on this. Great speakers (I know just how good they sound, and the build quality is fab), but oh, that look is just wrong. At least my ol' 'rabbit hutches', covered in rosewood formica have a certain '1960s charm' :doh::lol:
In all seriousness though, I think the Japs love that look [the main market for modern Tannoy DCs] and consider it 'suitably British'.
Marco.
Sherwood
24-09-2017, 20:43
I'm certain that Adrian's speakers are great and sound fabulous, but why oh why does Tannoy think it makes their top range speakers look "classy"to dress them up as faux antique furniture? All they need are a set of Queen Anne legs and some carved gargoyles on the top corners, and they are good to go for the Antiques Roadshow tonight!
Sorry, Adrian. I'm really not trying to be bitchy, but it's something that I have always thought weird about up-market Tannoys.
IB
I have found a site offering accessories for the "classic" Tannoys. If the style appeals it's worth going the full nine yards!
https://www.etsy.com/uk/market/lace_doilies
:rolleyes:
montesquieu
24-09-2017, 21:01
I have found a site offering accessories for the "classic" Tannoys. If the style appeals it's worth going the full nine yards!
https://www.etsy.com/uk/market/lace_doilies
:rolleyes:
Cheeky bugger! Well I think they look great!
farflungstar
24-09-2017, 21:10
If you like retro hifi wth wooden sleeves and cheeks they do sit quite well alongside them. But, it's a matter of taste - I hate IKEA style houses wth a single photo on a wall - soulless.
I also think the front firing ports are way more elegant than a bloody big hole either in the front or back. I would have liked them in black - but you can't have everything.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170924/f3148c83fb2d8788029fb4f9c054ea86.jpg
Sherwood
24-09-2017, 23:11
Cheeky bugger! Well I think they look great!
I'm sure they sound great but I am a firm believer in the "form follows function" school. I just can't understand why you would try to disguise a high end speaker as a piece of reproduction furniture. Yes, I am sure that the cabinets are very solidly made, but I am sure they would sound even better without the reflective edges around the front baffle.
Infinitely Baffled
28-09-2017, 16:15
I don't think anybody has posted any of these yet: Mordaunt Short MS700s - from the early seventies, I believe, and a classic of their time. MS's own 12" woofers, mid range cones and Decca Kelly ribbon tweeters - very much hi-fi "haute couture" of the seventies. They give a whopping big and effortless sound. 80 or so litres of cabinet space demonstrate just what the words "scale" and "dynamics" mean in relation to loudspeakers (and how mis-applied they can be in relation to tiny, fierce boxes). Plus nobody can say they don't look like what they are!
https://i.imgur.com/yDCNw9k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T1UpOSd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/j1Ykfw3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rejumfb.jpg
IB
Firebottle
28-09-2017, 16:22
Very nice Gary :)
farflungstar
28-09-2017, 16:32
I don't think anybody has posted any of these yet: Mordaunt Short MS700s - from the early seventies, I believe, and a classic of their time. MS's own 12" woofers, mid range cones and Decca Kelly ribbon tweeters - very much hi-fi "haute couture" of the seventies. They give a whopping big and effortless sound. 80 or so litres of cabinet space demonstrate just what the words "scale" and "dynamics" mean in relation to loudspeakers (and how mis-applied they can be in relation to tiny, fierce boxes). Plus nobody can say they don't look like what they are!
https://i.imgur.com/yDCNw9k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T1UpOSd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/j1Ykfw3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rejumfb.jpg
IBLovely.
montesquieu
28-09-2017, 16:33
Lovely condition. I don't ever recall heading a pair of these.
mightymonoped
28-09-2017, 16:36
I don't think anybody has posted any of these yet: Mordaunt Short MS700s - from the early seventies, I believe, and a classic of their time. MS's own 12" woofers, mid range cones and Decca Kelly ribbon tweeters - very much hi-fi "haute couture" of the seventies. They give a whopping big and effortless sound. 80 or so litres of cabinet space demonstrate just what the words "scale" and "dynamics" mean in relation to loudspeakers (and how mis-applied they can be in relation to tiny, fierce boxes). Plus nobody can say they don't look like what they are!
https://i.imgur.com/yDCNw9k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T1UpOSd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/j1Ykfw3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rejumfb.jpg
IB
Oooh lovely! Big brother to my 400’s
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Doesn't Audio Al have a pair?
Doesn't Audio Al have a pair?
Quicker to list what he doesn't have...
The do look like they should be bloody good.
Infinitely Baffled
29-09-2017, 21:40
Thanks for the complimentary remarks, fellows. There is an odd twist to this tale which is that, remarkable as these speakers are, I don't actually like them very much. In my system at home they produce, well, too much of everything! I guess I prefer a slightly leaner musical presentation. You win some, you lose some, don't you?
IB
Nice, Gary. Themz propa speakaz! :respect:
Marco.
Audio Al
30-09-2017, 16:37
Doesn't Audio Al have a pair?
My pair are 737's ;)
rigger67
30-09-2017, 17:08
Rega Jura Mk.2
https://s25.postimg.org/7xkgay3rz/rega.jpg
Audio Al
30-09-2017, 17:09
You have a triffid attacking your hifi :eek:
rigger67
30-09-2017, 18:30
You have a triffid attacking your hifi :eek:
Ha ! :D
I have a lot of houseplants. The room the hi-fi is in is 20' long with picture windows along the entire run opposite.
And I'm four storeys up and it's a south-facing aspect so I can grow anything in there.
Funnily enough, I've never tried, before anyone asks .. ;)
Audio Al
30-09-2017, 20:02
Ha ! :D
I have a lot of houseplants. The room the hi-fi is in is 20' long with picture windows along the entire run opposite.
And I'm four storeys up and it's a south-facing aspect so I can grow anything in there.
Funnily enough, I've never tried, before anyone asks .. ;)
:smoking:
Far up man ;)
rigger67
01-10-2017, 18:52
:smoking:
Far up man ;)
:lolsign:
My Mighty Heco's
http://i65.tinypic.com/261nb5e.jpg
German eh.. look nice; I like the styling
HackneyRF
03-10-2017, 13:25
Yes those Heco speakers are lovely. They don't sound too shabby either by most accounts. Very nice.
There are now mine [emoji4]
Tannoy Berkeley Mk 1 (1976)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171003/710f6d2501f4724c23ba4ce844ec8c54.jpg
walpurgis
03-10-2017, 13:53
They're too small Mike. They look a bit lost there. You should have bought a pair of Ardens. :lol:
They're too small Mike. They look a bit lost there. You should have bought a pair of Ardens. [emoji38]I'm working on it [emoji23]
Never mind, Mike, I'm sure that the Berkleys will sound good enough to give you an 'Ard-on' :D
Marco.
P.S Wide-baffles, rool [same applies to those lovely Hecos]!
Lovely Old Royd Sorcerer SE's
http://i63.tinypic.com/14o81tc.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/11bu8ti.jpg
My Mighty Heco's
http://i65.tinypic.com/261nb5e.jpg
I heard these at the Hifi News show in (I think) Windsor a couple of years ago. Sounded pretty good as far as a show demo can do. The one's I heard had what I would call a "Fiat 500" livery (go faster stripes and nice toning paint job)
I heard these at the Hifi News show in (I think) Windsor a couple of years ago. Sounded pretty good as far as a show demo can do. The one's I heard had what I would call a "Fiat 500" livery (go faster stripes and nice toning paint job)
They look better in the flesh than in photos - but your description is pretty spot on:)
Never mind, Mike, I'm sure that the Berkleys will sound good enough to give you an 'Ard-on' :D
Marco.
P.S Wide-baffles, rool [same applies to those lovely Hecos]!
Thanks Marco, they are 'probably' my speakers for life
And finally...
Rare Keesonic Kolts - amazing little things
http://i63.tinypic.com/s58fuo.jpg
speedracer
03-10-2017, 14:45
Please excuse the lack of decor, we are waiting for the plasterer to come & skim our walls & ceilings before we start to beautify the place!
These are a DIY build, a transmission line speaker based loosely around PMC GB1's but with better drivers/tweeters/components, & they sound fab.
http://i.imgur.com/U6pzJ4z.jpg (https://imgur.com/U6pzJ4z)
Lovely unit too Brook. Adds to the speakers style
speedracer
03-10-2017, 15:08
Thanks Grant, this is the equipment support too, it is a Blox unit & fits it rather well we think. Or at least it will do when we have wallpaper/carpet/curtains up!
http://i.imgur.com/uz11O36.jpg (https://imgur.com/uz11O36)
Infinitely Baffled
03-10-2017, 17:02
Looks like a lovely standard of build, Brook. I'm very impressed!
IB
Or at least it will do when we have wallpaper/carpet/curtains up!
Yup, got your priorities right! Hifi First.
That looks like my old phono pre-amp. Trust it's still doing the business. See you got yourself a CD spinner.
Phono replaced with a computer chip about the size of a packet of bar matches.
Nice one, Brook. I'm sure that the room will come together nicely when you inject some colour! :)
The only thing that concerns me with your set up is the valve amp directly under your turntable, and with the heat the amp will kick out, especially with a glass shelf above.
That would concern me, especially with the longterm effect on delicate items such as wiring, particularly with regard to the cartridge. The positioning isn't ideal for the amp either, in terms of ensuring optimum ventilation.
As a temporary measure, I'd be tempted to move your mains regenerator unit onto the floor and put the valve amp on the shelf below your CDP (which still isn't ideal, but better). However, longterm, you need an amp stand or another small rack for the valve amp, which you could also put your preamp on, and keep both together.
Anyway, just a thought! :cool:
Marco.
speedracer
05-10-2017, 08:48
That looks like my old phono pre-amp. Trust it's still doing the business. See you got yourself a CD spinner.
Phono replaced with a computer chip about the size of a packet of bar matches.
It is indeed your old one Steven, and doing the business it most certainly is, cracking bit of kit.
As for the CDP, yes I relented, but it hardly gets used even though it is pretty good.
speedracer
05-10-2017, 08:56
Nice one, Brook. I'm sure that the room will come together nicely when you inject some colour! :)
The only thing that concerns me with your set up is the valve amp directly under your turntable, and with the heat the amp will kick out, especially with a glass shelf above.
That would concern me, especially with the longterm effect on delicate items such as wiring, particularly with regard to the cartridge. The positioning isn't ideal for the amp either, in terms of ensuring optimum ventilation.
As a temporary measure, I'd be tempted to move your mains regenerator unit onto the floor and put the valve amp on the shelf below your CDP (which still isn't ideal, but better). However, longterm, you need an amp stand or another small rack for the valve amp, which you could also put your preamp on, and keep both together.
Anyway, just a thought! :cool:
Marco.
Marco, we hope it will yes, wish the bloody plasterer would get a move on!
I have been keeping an eye on the heat aspect, which is one reason I have put the TT on ice hockey pucks to raise it a little, but it is only a temporary solution, the TT is going on a wall shelf this weekend, with plenty of room between it & the Quintet. I also have a small but powerful fan that I direct at the amp whenever the hi fi is on so things are not as bad as they would look to be.
Nice one, Brook. A wall shelf would be the perfect solution! Get's your T/T up well away from the valve amp and will also optimise its performance. All the best in getting it all successfully together :cool:
Marco.
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My Tune Audio Primes in the (tiny) music room.
paulf-2007
05-10-2017, 18:40
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My Tune Audio Primes in the (tiny) music room.i thought my garden room was small Jonathon, do you have any room treatment. My room is 6' x 9' with a vaulted ceiling, has 4' x 2' x 2" absorption panels at first reflection points on walls and ceiling and behind the sofa.
I don't, although have thought about it and could put some panels just in front of the speakers on the walls I guess to reduce that first reflection. If you look at the picture I have a door on the left and a fireplace on the right just out of shot. Room is 14' X 7'. The Primes' bass can be tuned by raising the speakers from the bottom firing horn, which is much better then the rear ported speakers I had before. I do have to accept some irregularities in the bass response although the tuning helps a lot. Soundstage is quite narrow as you would expect although better than the room would suggest. I have brought the listening chair about 2-3 feet forward from the rear wall to reduce the exaggeration. I am impressed though with the sound they produce and the fact they sound so good in challenging conditions.
I don't, although have thought about it and could put some panels just in front of the speakers on the walls I guess to reduce that first reflection. If you look at the picture I have a door on the left and a fireplace on the right just out of shot. Room is 14' X 7'. The Primes' bass can be tuned by raising the speakers from the bottom firing horn, which is much better then the rear ported speakers I had before. I do have to accept some irregularities in the bass response although the tuning helps a lot. Soundstage is quite narrow as you would expect although better than the room would suggest. I have brought the listening chair about 2-3 feet forward from the rear wall to reduce the exaggeration. I am impressed though with the sound they produce and the fact they sound so good in challenging conditions.Did you get the Tunes and Grandi from Jack at BD?
Did you get the Tunes and Grandi from Jack at BD?
I did, yes. Have had them for over a year now. Great chap to deal with.
paulf-2007
06-10-2017, 19:14
I don't, although have thought about it and could put some panels just in front of the speakers on the walls I guess to reduce that first reflection. If you look at the picture I have a door on the left and a fireplace on the right just out of shot. Room is 14' X 7'. The Primes' bass can be tuned by raising the speakers from the bottom firing horn, which is much better then the rear ported speakers I had before. I do have to accept some irregularities in the bass response although the tuning helps a lot. Soundstage is quite narrow as you would expect although better than the room would suggest. I have brought the listening chair about 2-3 feet forward from the rear wall to reduce the exaggeration. I am impressed though with the sound they produce and the fact they sound so good in challenging conditions.
My zu's work the same, raise or lower to tune the bass, sounded dreadful when I first used them. In my room there are French doors on the left of the left speaker so I have kilo serge wool curtains used in vocal booths as absorption. 4 x 2 panel on the right and on the ceiling, remember sound reflects off the floor and ceiling, the floor has carpet tiles and a rug. The panels behind the sofa are probably the most effective. They are available in all colours so can blend in with the decor if bothered.
I would put the rear edge of the panels level with the front of the speakers
I might try this and see, although I am really happy with the sound you never know whether it can be bettered until you try!
Floor is concrete, rubber underlay, carpet and rug. Ceiling is low at 7ft and has small beams running the length so tricky to put flat absorption in place although I guess the beams may be better than a flat surface?
Re beams, I had considered removing the ceiling plasterboard and putting semi-circular droops of a white sheeting between them, containing BAF. I bet it would be really absorbent and look good as well. dangling like inverted sea waves.
walpurgis
06-10-2017, 21:50
Would probably void your home insurance. And may even be illegal. BAF is inflammable.
21537
Conscious decoupling using studio foam blocks that cost about £20 off Amazon. And there is some skirting missing, and I don’t care.
Michael loves music
07-10-2017, 12:21
i thought my garden room was small Jonathon, do you have any room treatment. My room is 6' x 9' with a vaulted ceiling, has 4' x 2' x 2" absorption panels at first reflection points on walls and ceiling and behind the sofa.
Surely those speakers are not far enough apart ?
jandl100
07-10-2017, 12:55
Far enough apart for what?
It's about angle subtended at the listening position, personally I prefer near field listening.
I have spent a little time with speaker placement, away from rear wall, further in, further out etc and this seems to be be the best position for these in my room.
Michael loves music
08-10-2017, 06:10
I understand for your room yes but I was told Speakers sound best at a minimum of 5 feet apart angled to the listening position of ear height sitting down in an armchair etc
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171005/b9570787139f33fe425ee8867bf46b8d.jpg
My Tune Audio Primes in the (tiny) music room.
Very nice too, gorgeous speakers. Given your small space have you tried the speakers closer to your rack with a small amount of toe out?
Very nice too, gorgeous speakers. Given your small space have you tried the speakers closer to your rack with a small amount of toe out?
Can't remember toe out, but straight ahead yes. Have tried closer together and farther apart, do you think the toe out would improve soundstage using the reflections off the walls?
Michael loves music
08-10-2017, 07:26
How far away is your armchair ?
I understand for your room yes but I was told Speakers sound best at a minimum of 5 feet apart angled to the listening position of ear height sitting down in an armchair etc
I have had the speakers wider and pointed towards my listening position but in this room it compresses the soundstage, making it quite narrow. Pointing them out so firing outside my shoulders improves this.
I'm not sure about what the reflection might add but with 1cm toe out their effect should be slight while your image may broaden slightly.
I did the same many moons ago when I had too short speaker cables and it worked nicely.
How far away is your armchair ?
9ft from front of speaker to backrest.
Michael loves music
08-10-2017, 09:12
9ft from front of speaker to backrest. just right like my Parker knoll is
My Tannoy MG15s in Lockwood cabs
https://i.imgur.com/dT7IF5G.jpg
Michael loves music
08-10-2017, 12:03
Very nice indeed Paul
Michael loves music
08-10-2017, 12:03
Good space between the speakers
Your system has come a long way Paul. Looks superb.
Your system has come a long way Paul. Looks superb.
Thanks Grant. Yes, it has come a long way. I've been very lucky really.
dantheman91
08-10-2017, 15:58
These are on this week the scarce Sony SA H7900 wonderful sound and the Electrostatic tweeter to sweeten things up...
My IPL S5TL Kevlar Mk2s, a long time in the making but well worth it...:)
Berni217
09-10-2017, 07:32
My lovely Auditorium 23 Solovoxhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171009/7c7236b79d6e5844b7d5131ef1c5449c.jpg
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paulf-2007
09-10-2017, 07:57
My lovely Auditorium 23 Solovoxhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171009/7c7236b79d6e5844b7d5131ef1c5449c.jpg
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Boyse6748
09-10-2017, 08:12
Nice speakers....... and I just love that Table[emoji7]
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Berni217
09-10-2017, 17:55
Nice speakers....... and I just love that Table[emoji7]
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Thanks
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Berni217
09-10-2017, 17:55
very nice sounding speakers
I agree!
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very nice sounding speakers
I haven't heard them, but they intrigue me, as I rate A23 gear. Not surprised that they sound good, because the guy behind it all (Keith Aschenbrenner) has a good pair of ears and sense of how music should sound.
Are you using the speakers with the A23 speaker cable, Bernard? I'd love to hear your system sometime, as 'on paper' it ticks a lot of boxes for me :)
Marco.
Berni217
12-10-2017, 07:54
I haven't heard them, but they intrigue me, as I rate A23 gear. Not surprised that they sound good, because the guy behind it all (Keith Aschenbrenner) has a good pair of ears and sense of how music should sound.
Are you using the speakers with the A23 speaker cable, Bernard? I'd love to hear your system sometime, as 'on paper' it ticks a lot of boxes for me :)
Marco.
Keith is a great guy. I sourced the Shindo pre-amp and the A23 speakers câbles from him...
Due to my house move, I have a few things to sort out in the system but once done you are welcome to come over Marco.
B.
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RobbieGong
12-10-2017, 12:01
My lovely Auditorium 23 Solovoxhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171009/7c7236b79d6e5844b7d5131ef1c5449c.jpg
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Love the individuality of your set up Bernard - very nice.
brian2957
12-10-2017, 12:40
Lovely system Robert and unusual speakers . Bet they sound great :)
Berni217
12-10-2017, 16:16
Love the individuality of your set up Bernard - very nice.
Thanks Robert.
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Keith is a great guy. I sourced the Shindo pre-amp and the A23 speakers câbles from him...
Due to my house move, I have a few things to sort out in the system but once done you are welcome to come over Marco.
Nice one, Bernard. Yup, I've not met Keith or had any dealings with him [although I have owned both his Denon 103 and SPU SUTs, which were superb], but everything I've read about him I like, and I suspect that if I ever did meet him, we'd have much in common with our approach to audio.
Just let me know when you're sorted and pop down for a listen. You're also welcome to do the same here, if you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods :)
Marco.
paulf-2007
12-10-2017, 20:04
I agree!
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I heard them at Scalford in Chelsea Davies room, not the ideal room but I could get a sense of what they were capable of. I do like single driver speakers despite many having limitations.
Berni217
12-10-2017, 21:14
Nice one, Bernard. Yup, I've not met Keith or had any dealings with him [although I have owned both his Denon 103 and SPU SUTs, which were superb], but everything I've read about him I like, and I suspect that if I ever did meet him, we'd have much in common with our approach to audio.
Just let me know when you're sorted and pop down for a listen. You're also welcome to do the same here, if you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods [emoji4]
Marco.
Thanks Marco,
This is much appreciated.
How did you find Keith’s Denon 103 vs standard? Keith is a big fan of Shindo and, since I have tried Shindo gears I understand why...
The Solovox cabinet design is very minimalistic and effective; the PHY drivers are masterpieces.
B.
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Lol - you've quoted me, but have replied to Tom... ;)
Marco.
Berni217
12-10-2017, 21:18
Lol - you've quoted me, but have replied to Tom... ;)
Marco.
Fixed ;)
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Pieoftheday
14-10-2017, 14:04
21595 these baby tannoys are great as space is tight . they like a bit of volume to come alive:)
How about a pic of them the right way up? ;)
Marco.
Werner Berghofer
22-10-2017, 19:44
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/gear/2017-10-room.jpg
Triangle Zays Esprit XS Grand Angle
My Bowers & Wilkins 683 I sold last year. Brilliant speaker that I would have back again in a flash.
http://i67.tinypic.com/hv1fls.jpg
My speakers now, Edingdales, a fairly old photo but it's too dark to take one now.
http://i63.tinypic.com/33pd98h.jpg
Edit. Just took one :)
http://i64.tinypic.com/ojh3yx.jpg
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/gear/2017-10-room.jpg
Triangle Zays Esprit XS Grand Angle
nice space
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/gear/2017-10-room.jpg
Triangle Zays Esprit XS Grand Angle
Looks nice, Werner (you always have excellent taste), but the speakers are rather close together, no? ;) And with all that stuff in between them...
Marco.
My Bowers & Wilkins 683 I sold last year. Brilliant speaker that I would have back again.
http://i67.tinypic.com/hv1fls.jpg
My speakers now, Edingdales, a fairly old photo but it's too dark to take one now.
http://i63.tinypic.com/33pd98h.jpg
Edit. Just took one :)
http://i64.tinypic.com/ojh3yx.jpg
Same question to you, Nathan...? Lovely system, but how do you avoid bass-boom, with big floorstanders like that, designed to be used in free space, tucked into the corners like that, and so close together? Also, they'd sound much better without all that kit stuck in between them.
I presuming it's an agreed compromise to keep 'her indoors' happy? ;)
Marco.
Ammonite Audio
23-10-2017, 09:09
https://i.imgur.com/UNLuxBw.jpg?1
Currently comparing Avalon NP 2.0 floorstanders, which I’ve owned for something like 10 years, with KEF LS50s. The Avalons would normally sit on spikes or similar, and the LS50s do really sound better (to my ears) sat on their sides and placed on relatively low stands (stools) and pointed sloghtly upwards. Rather to my surprise, the Avalons do sound rather more expressive than the KEFs, but the KEFs are nevertheless astonishing little things, and being relatively inefficient are happier partners for my SuperNait2. I do find myself wondering how the Avalons would sound when driven by a nice simple little EL84 amp.
Is that effectively the home cinema system, Hugo (with one of the those excellent KEFs doing centre duties), or not where are your Tannoys? :)
Marco.
I agree with the concern about the proximity to corners, and the mid reflections that will inevitably produce. It is also a problem to have objects in between or in their near filed as has been discussed on the HUG site with A.S., he mentioning the BBC studio computer screens causing audible 'cavity' effects.
I always try to keep mine away from corners as much as possible and facing into the room centre so the reflections are minimised, and really they should be out in the room a bit, but that conflicts with living requirements.
Ammonite Audio
23-10-2017, 11:35
Is that effectively the home cinema system, Hugo (with one of the those excellent KEFs doing centre duties), or not where are your Tannoys? :)
Marco.
No, I don’t do home cinema! The closest that I get to home cinema is the cheapo Panasonic soundbase under the telly. In this picture, the Avalons, which were originally marketed for AV use, are connected up but the KEFs are not.
The Tannoys are in a friend’s mid-century furniture shop in Norwich - I’m harbouring a hope that they will come back here at some point.
I agree with the concern about the proximity to corners, and the mid reflections that will inevitably produce. It is also a problem to have objects in between or in their near filed as has been discussed on the HUG site with A.S., he mentioning the BBC studio computer screens causing audible 'cavity' effects.
I always try to keep mine away from corners as much as possible and facing into the room centre so the reflections are minimised, and really they should be out in the room a bit, but that conflicts with living requirements.
Indeed, and I suspect that's the problem for most folks... However, it doesn't change the fact that if you really want to hear large (ported) floor-standing speakers at their best, then they need to be out from the corners of the room and stood in free space, with *nothing* in between them, but fresh air! ;)
Marco.
No, I don’t do home cinema! The closest that I get to home cinema is the cheapo Panasonic soundbase under the telly. In this picture, the Avalons, which were originally marketed for AV use, are connected up but the KEFs are not.
The Tannoys are in a friend’s mid-century furniture shop in Norwich - I’m harbouring a hope that they will come back here at some point.
Ah I see. No worries. It's just that you'd posted pics of your Tannoys recently, and I couldn't work out where they were being used :)
Marco.
Posted on behalf of Pharos (Dennis):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/J0ylr4.jpg
Nice :cool:
Marco.
Werner Berghofer
23-10-2017, 17:34
Marco,
[…] the speakers are rather close together, no?yes, of course, and they (and the amp) are too big for my small apartement, but for the moment I am happy that all my stuff eventually is here in Germany. I sincerely will move into a larger flat in six months, but after living out of suitcases and travel bags for approximately four months I just need a break until next spring.
Currently I am exhausted and tired, but nevertheless very glad to be living all alone here in the rural seclusion, to be able to breathe the air from the North Sea and to be surrounded by a beautiful landscape which I really deeply love.
Werner.
montesquieu
23-10-2017, 18:02
Marco,
yes, of course, and they (and the amp) are too big for my small apartement, but for the moment I am happy that all my stuff eventually is here in Germany. I sincerely will move into a larger flat in six months, but after living out of suitcases and travel bags for approximately four months I just need a break until next spring.
Currently I am exhausted and tired, but nevertheless very glad to be living all alone here in the rural seclusion, to be able to breathe the air from the North Sea and to be surrounded by a beautiful landscape which I really deeply love.
Werner.
Epenwöhrden ... as a bit of a Germanophile I had to look that up .. I have friends in Lubeck and, indeed, in-laws in the Nordheide, but I hadn't heard of Epenwöhrden .. looks like a lovely spot. When most people think of Germany they think of the great rivers, endless forest, sub-alpine or alpine landscapes, maybe these days even the Hartz mountains, but they don't really think of it as a coastal place, but coastal it is even if it's a long way to sail a boat between the Baltic and North Sea German ports. :)
Can you explain this though!!!
https://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/oaeAC3W94A2ThOPlz2BWqg/258s.jpg
Same question to you, Nathan...? Lovely system, but how do you avoid bass-boom, with big floorstanders like that, designed to be used in free space, tucked into the corners like that, and so close together? Also, they'd sound much better without all that kit stuck in between them.
I presuming it's an agreed compromise to keep 'her indoors' happy? ;)
Marco.
I do sometime experience bass boom yes but unfortunately as you said I must keep the good lady happy too.
I don't have any other positions free to move them so have to enjoy what I have.
Cheers Marco,
Nathan.
Werner Berghofer
23-10-2017, 18:32
Tom,
Can you explain this though!!!
https://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/oaeAC3W94A2ThOPlz2BWqg/258s.jpgthis is the “Dithmarscher Landesdenkmal”, a monument commemorating a battle between regional farmers and a Danish-Holstein army on February 17th, 1500. The peasants from Dithmarschen were victorious and able to resist submission.
The battle field near Hemmingstedt is called “Dusenddüfelswarf”, which might be translated to something like “hill of a thousand devils”. This monument is located approximately one kilometre from my home.
See my website http://www.berghofer.com (http://www.berghofer.com/) for more photos if you are interested and curious.
With a friend, I went through to Berlin last Wednesday Werner, to pick up the ADAM Betas, about 1600 miles total.
We loved all the country and everyone in all four we passed through was very polite, and even the French Police were friendly.
Thank you Marco for posting the picture. (I've been thinking of putting some 'Alien' heads on the speakers.)
Werner Berghofer
24-10-2017, 03:29
Dennis,
We loved all the country and everyone in all four we passed through was very polite […]the people in Northern Germany usually are very relaxed, kind, polite and friendly. The place where I live is north of Berlin, about 110 kilometers northwest of Hamburg.
http://www.berghofer.com/photos/wp/2017/hamburg.jpg
Hamburg
Epenwöhrden ... as a bit of a Germanophile I had to look that up .. I have friends in Lubeck and, indeed, in-laws in the Nordheide, but I hadn't heard of Epenwöhrden .. looks like a lovely spot. When most people think of Germany they think of the great rivers, endless forest, sub-alpine or alpine landscapes, maybe these days even the Hartz mountains, but they don't really think of it as a coastal place, but coastal it is even if it's a long way to sail a boat between the Baltic and North Sea German ports. :)
Can you explain this though!!!
https://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/oaeAC3W94A2ThOPlz2BWqg/258s.jpg
I thought maybe it was your turntable support!
Russell
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I thought maybe it was your turntable support!
Russell
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:lol:
Blueflash
31-10-2017, 20:48
My trusty 1996 ATC 50`s brought up to latest ASL spec including the ATC tweeter sitting on my aluminium stands.
Michael loves music
01-11-2017, 18:46
My trusty 1996 ATC 50`s brought up to latest ASL spec including the ATC tweeter sitting on my aluminium stands.. Looks very nice indeed
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New badges for my beloved Yammies.
montesquieu
01-11-2017, 20:02
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171101/1beb53f91f7e632aba23557d7adc684a.jpg
New badges for my beloved Yammies.
Have a soft spot for Yammies. Heard my Radford STA100 driving Valvebloke's pair and they were stunning. Having said that, so did he, and I was lucky to get the Radford back! As with vintage Tannoys, a match made in heaven.
Edit - what's the funky looking supertweeter?
Oh, made those myself - based on an AMT device.
montesquieu
01-11-2017, 22:18
Oh, made those myself - based on an AMT device.
Really cool looking. Got any more info?
walpurgis
01-11-2017, 22:38
Really cool looking. Got any more info?
Looks a bit like a Dayton Audio or David Louis product (similar). Air Motion Transformers (AMT) were a pleated ribbon driver developed by Heil in America rather a long time ago. The sound quality is quite striking.
Here are a pair of the larger units on Heil's own speakers.
http://i68.tinypic.com/osvh3s.jpg
freefallrob
01-11-2017, 22:44
Epos Epic 5
http://audioabattoir.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/optimized/2X/7/70746529b6ea0c3225317d4b4b0a72850c195b9b_1_375x500 .JPG
:)
It’s a Dayton Audio unit. I’ll post some pics of them tomorrow if you like.
walpurgis
01-11-2017, 22:59
It’s a Dayton Audio unit. I’ll post some pics of them tomorrow if you like.
Ideal as a super tweeter. If I recall response is near flat to 40kHz. What filter are you using Mark? My guess is that a cap around 0.2uFd should function about right.
montesquieu
01-11-2017, 23:13
It’s a Dayton Audio unit. I’ll post some pics of them tomorrow if you like.
yes please.
Sorry the picture is a bit dark:
http://www.homebuilthifi.com/images/projects/8326/Supertweeter_update_front_and_back_together.jpg
They are built around a couple of small Dayton AMT units. As mentioned above, they are surprisingly flat out to 40K and, as luck would have it, both the sensitivity and impedance are in line with my requirements so very well matched. The little stands are mad from a mixture of Corina and acrylic. It looks like they use a 1st order crossover but it’s a touch more complicated than that as they are actually in series with the tweeter crossover. They are set to point slightly off axis and down at the listener. I made a laser alignment tool to help set them up :).
walpurgis
02-11-2017, 11:25
Hmm. I assume Mark, that you are saying the Daytons are fed directly from the same filter section that the Yamaha tweeters are on?
If so, then the Daytons will be outputting across the same treble range, at least until the Yamaha tweeter rolls off, probably in the upper twenties of KHz. This also lowers the HF impedance to a nominal 4 ohms and that would alter the treble curve, giving the whole top end an inaccurate response.
If it was me, I'd definitely run the Daytons on their own parallel filter. A single cap in series with the supertweeter should do the job, providing a 6db/oct introduction at whatever chosen frequency. I'd aim at above 18kHz. This can be fed from the rear speaker terminals without needing to access the crossover. Output from the Dayton should not be significantly audible. If it is, then the filter is coming in too low.
These are my brother's lovely Harbeth mk1 HL P3 's. I've got them at the moment because there was a distortion issue with one of them which is now hopefully sorted. I'm using them on my PC streaming system currently and as near field monitors the sound is very accurate and smooth. I'll put them on my main system later, I'm used to the big three way Signifiers so it will be interesting to hear how they sound. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171102/0ffc7b56abcaa0720c74688a7fa3202c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171102/ff4f4e9bec89929d3371026035ed94c3.jpg
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Sorry the picture is a bit dark:
http://www.homebuilthifi.com/images/projects/8326/Supertweeter_update_front_and_back_together.jpg
They are built around a couple of small Dayton AMT units. As mentioned above, they are surprisingly flat out to 40K and, as luck would have it, both the sensitivity and impedance are in line with my requirements so very well matched. The little stands are mad from a mixture of Corina and acrylic. It looks like they use a 1st order crossover but it’s a touch more complicated than that as they are actually in series with the tweeter crossover. They are set to point slightly off axis and down at the listener. I made a laser alignment tool to help set them up :).
Nicely made Mark. I like those:)
Thanks Grant - there are some more details here http://www.homebuilthifi.com/project/8326.
like the rings.. reverse fitting, so sit flush.
Hmm. I assume Mark, that you are saying the Daytons are fed directly from the same filter section that the Yamaha tweeters are on?
If so, then the Daytons will be outputting across the same treble range, at least until the Yamaha tweeter rolls off, probably in the upper twenties of KHz. This also lowers the HF impedance to a nominal 4 ohms and that would alter the treble curve, giving the whole top end an inaccurate response.
If it was me, I'd definitely run the Daytons on their own parallel filter. A single cap in series with the supertweeter should do the job, providing a 6db/oct introduction at whatever chosen frequency. I'd aim at above 18kHz. This can be fed from the rear speaker terminals without needing to access the crossover. Output from the Dayton should not be significantly audible. If it is, then the filter is coming in too low.
Well there is a series cap to the super-tweeters - it’s 1.5uF. However, as it is then in series with one at 2.7uF it may be that the 1.5 should be increased to 3.5uF. Il give it a try.
I agree with Geoff about the Xover.
Well I do too, but in my case it’s more easily said than done.
Posted on behalf of Pharos (Dennis):
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/fbp0zP.jpg
Marco.
walpurgis
02-11-2017, 22:55
Ah. ESS Heil AMT1. Is that a replacement bass driver?
I heard those and the AMT1 Tower a couple of times many years ago and was mightily impressed. The AMT1 Tower has been on my 'list' for years. The top end and mid was superb and the bass depth and quality from the ten inch driver in the transmission line was phenomenal.
Many thanks Marco.
They are a result of buying a pair of ESS AMT 1Bs from an ad. in Hi-Fi News in '02, rebuilding with new better ESS components in and upgrade to AMT1E, and then realising after a few years of bliss that the frequency response was 'smiley', and that sadly they failed on the grounds of 'monitor accuracy'.
The last iteration was one of three attempts using the Rogers LS 5/8 mid/woofer, which is a better unit, the last Xover made from a calculation based on the BBC report, but it turned out that the original mid/woofer was very different from the later production models, and so there is some error in this also. You can see the remnants of the original black felt gasket, for rear mounting, around the front of the basket rim.
But for the costs, even though the drivers are 44 and 34 year old technology, this is a very fine speaker for £1.5k, even in comparison with my newly acquired ADAM Betas listed at £28k. No expense spared in the work; 53 wood braces in each cab, tweeter pots 25W jobs, total attenuation of 10 dB in about 0.3dB steps, the switch gives 5dB and the pot 5dB.
The plinth was increased from 3" to 7" to get the tweeter height right and increase the internal volume from about 70lt to 81lt. All panels extensively damped, mid absorber all around the inside, rewired with 3.8mm c.s.a. wire.
The mid/woofer frame was extensively damped, and good terminals put on the basket. A lovely air path is provided downwards to the bottom and back up to the ABR which is rear mounted, and the black parts are a veneer of 1mm EPDM rubber for damping and durability. The granite plinths did really improve impact and bass definition.
For me the comparison between these and the Betas is very interesting, Klaus Heinz of ADAM talked extensively with Oskar Heil prior to developing his version of the AMTs, so these two represent and compare the initial development by Oscar Heil, Nelson Pass, and Von Scweikhert in the early 70s, with that in the Tensor series in 2009.
Blueflash
04-11-2017, 20:26
This is my view from my ear standpoint:)
I assume the 50s are passive judging by the cables and that silver box at the bottom.
I'm sticking with my SCA2 as permanently as I can predict, but the remote - trying to read the white print on silver in low light!
Blueflash
05-11-2017, 05:24
I assume the 50s are passive judging by the cables and that silver box at the bottom.
I'm sticking with my SCA2 as permanently as I can predict, but the remote - trying to read the white print on silver in low light!
They are active and have been brought to full ASL spec including the Pro version tweeters.
The silver box is my dual balanced mains transformer. It has a 1750 Kva one for the speakers, and a 1000 Kva for the sources.
The SCA2 is probably the most transparent preamp I have ever heard, but when I first bought it new it sounded awful for about a month. I was ready to give up on. In the end I left it powered on for about 3 weeks not on the standby setting.
That sorted it and now I will never part with it, or the speakers. The cables are Van Damme Starquad XKE, I have a fully balanced system and that will stay due to being surrounded by about 19 Wifi points. Going balanced stopped the slight harsh sound that spoiled female vocals and made the soundstage narrow with no depth.
But now it is all sorted and I am listening to it most evenings. Three CD`s during a session with no listener fatigue at all. In fact I only stop because I have to get up for work about 6:00 am ...
These are in the AV room good down to 50hz and augmented by a BK XXLS 400 sub.
JBL 2206/2435Be/SAM1 horns active XTA226 DSP into Rotel 6 channel AV power amp.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4462/24240935908_03d1b4d9a1_c.jpg
Back panel for mounting the the Horn/Comp driver;
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4460/38040546176_c0d11528cf_z.jpg
Some I'd made earlier using 2235h 15" bass drivers;
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4467/24240676198_03bf717ed9_z.jpg
Main speakers mid construction; JBL 15" ME150HS bass driver, JBL2452 Compression driver/4" Truextent Beryllium diaphragm on H9800 horn. Active via AllDSP PLP226 processor into Quad 521f and 240 power amps.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4510/37383845634_95413647d1_z.jpg
CNC'd H9800 horn throats;
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4448/38040312416_5eb31a2443_z.jpg
Nearly there, Horn contour made of layered ply(later replaced by a full cnc'd version)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4513/38062130272_204dfacf0b_z.jpg
Finished speaker;
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4502/26316686109_dc292e1ca7_z.jpg
Legacy Arden project using Tannoy 3833/36 driver in a (beat up)Tannoy York enclosure.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4434/36995567235_7e7be41773_z.jpg
Tannoy System 15 DMT11 refurb-these are keepers I just have to find the room.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/37424233806_ce000f398e_z.jpg
Arden 1's in storage for now.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/337/31546877975_489fcf2a5b_z.jpg
I really enjoy these diy builds, in the past I've also built Tannoy corner Lancasters, Cambridge R50/HiFi answers transmission lines, Tannoy Arundels, Rectangular Yorks, Westlake TM1's-monsters! and Tannoy 215 DMT's
Oh, made those myself - based on an AMT device.
if i may ask a stupid question,can you add the super tweeters without wiring to the x-over?
ie straight to the terminals with a cap in line?
walpurgis
05-11-2017, 11:23
Yes. That's what I do. As far as I'm concerned, it's the best way. There's no benefit in interfering with the crossover. The series cap value is very important though. There is a tendency for people to pick too large a value. Start with 0.5mF and see.
hmm i feel a mod coming on lol,
would a 3 or 3.7 cap be in the ball park,how would you work out where to start?
walpurgis
05-11-2017, 11:30
I've used 0.22uF or even 0.1uF in the past. It depends on the tweeter sensitivity. You should just about be able to discern very, very high frequency output when the tweeter is wired up on its own. If it's obvious, the cap is too big. Strangely, the tweeter impedance seems to have little effect on eventual cap choice.
walpurgis
05-11-2017, 11:39
Oh. And you can try connecting them in phase and out of phase. The results can be interesting, sometimes out of phase seems better.
I've used 0.22uF or even 0.1uF in the past. It depends on the tweeter sensitivity. You should just about be able to discern very, very high frequency output when the tweeter is wired up on its own. If it's obvious, the cap is too big. Strangely, the tweeter impedance seems to have little effect on eventual cap choice.
ah so the way forward is to start with small values and work upwards,is the cap wired in the + cable or between + and - ?
in series with the tweeter
in idiot language please!:scratch: you mean wired across the tweeter terminals?
no in line with one side of tweeter
ah gotcha, thanks for explaining :)
walpurgis
05-11-2017, 12:12
Cap in the + side of the cable (not that it's crucial). Solder the cap to the tweeter + (often marked red) if it has solder tags and connect the + (pos) side of the cable to the cap, then the - (neg) of the lead to the other tag.
Don't short any speaker terminals!!
walpurgis
05-11-2017, 12:17
I start with larger value caps and work down until the tweeter is almost indiscernable.
Don't worry about sensitivity matching. Say your speakers are 89db for instance, a 95db tweeter will still be ok. It rolls in at 6db/oct on a single cap, so if it's just audible, any excess output will be well beyond human hearing.
What tweeter were you thinking of using? There are many that work well.
Finished speaker;
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4502/26316686109_dc292e1ca7_z.jpg
You ever sell any of these speakers, Frank? What is the spec like on this one? Looks like it might be what I am looking for.
I start with larger value caps and work down until the tweeter is almost indiscernable.
Don't worry about sensitivity matching. Say your speakers are 89db for instance, a 95db tweeter will still be ok. It rolls in at 6db/oct on a single cap, so if it's just audible, any excess output will be well beyond human hearing.
What tweeter were you thinking of using? There are many that work well.
ok so how do i work out the starting point with going large and downwards? if too big a cap is used what happens?
at any point doing this is there a chance the speakers will burst into flames?? lol
im going with the same one mark used in his ns1000 as its proved to be a good combination,im sorry to say all the db and techy stuff just goes over my head much to mu annoyance .
You ever sell any of these speakers, Frank? What is the spec like on this one? Looks like it might be what I am looking for.
There's a uk guy, Lansr, selling JBL M2's for £6500 over on Lansing Heritage. I tend to part them out especially in the case of the vintage JBL drivers I've used in the past.
The closest you could get to these s/h would be K2 S9800.
At some point soon I'll be selling 3x pairs of Tannoy 3833/36 drivers and crossovers for either Arden Legacy or system 15 diy projects but the JBL's are all keepers..
but the JBL's are all keepers..
That's the problem with trying to buy some. Nobody ever bloody sells them! It isn't even easy to buy them new here and their internet presence is, and I'm being charitable here: Confused.
Very oddly run company.
walpurgis
05-11-2017, 14:15
ok so how do i work out the starting point with going large and downwards? if too big a cap is used what happens?
at any point doing this is there a chance the speakers will burst into flames?? lol
The chosen tweeter should be fine.
I'd suggest starting with 1.0uF cap. You should hear very high frequency output. If it's very distinct, try 0.47uF. Keep reducing cap size (next is 0.22uF) if need be until barely anything can be heard, then you are probably at the right roll in point. It's worth having a few caps of varying values to experiment with anyway, they're only cheap. Try polyesters of above 10v rating.
As long as you take care not to short + to - anywhere, you won't hurt anything. It makes a minimal difference to the load for the amp in any case.
I'm guessing that Frank is either not married, or has a large mansion.
Love the bracing BTW, not enough do it and it really pays off.
I'm guessing that Frank is either not married, or has a large mansion.
Love the bracing BTW, not enough do it and it really pays off.
Haha most work takes place in the garage/workshop. I have a room set aside as my art studio that also doubles as a workroom.
I'm guessing that Frank is either not married...
Now, now, don't be so presumptuous! ;)
I'm married, and my good lady has no issues whatsoever with having rooms housing either huge Lockwood Majors (with 15' Tannoy MGs) or a home-cinema/streaming music system, with four different sets of speakers (fronts, centre, subs and rears)...
You just need to marry someone 'in tune' with your passions, and who doesn't simply want everything all her own way! :exactly:
Marco.
Now, now, don't be so presumptuous! ;)
You just need to marry someone 'in tune' with your passions, and who doesn't simply want everything all her own way! :exactly:
Marco.
100% oh and it helps to be a silver tongued sex God.
Tee-hee... Indeed! And you wonder why either her or you would settle for anything less? ;)
Marco.
Well maybe I've been unlucky with women, and despite being relatively fit and alive it seems that I will never find a partner despite looking for many years. Fortunately I have guitars to play and whinge with about this situation, and I have my pain for company. My ideal would be to find a singer songwriter lady.
I have had numerous dinner dates over the last 20 years in my home, in which the ladies concerned have all expressed the ease with which this has taken place, and for a first date in a strangers home that is quite good.
But so many seem to be thinking, 'that sampler can go, and that synthesiser, and those speakers are far too big, the money recouped can be spent on . . . . '
The guy that sold me my Betas said that his wife wanted them out, and he now has smaller speakers.
walpurgis
06-11-2017, 10:30
My wife actually likes big Tannoys. She says they're the only speakers that sound right to her.
think if your sharing a livingroom and shes not "that" into music then this is a major issue. BUT, its the duty of both to compomise
My wife actually likes big Tannoys. She says they're the only speakers that sound right to her.
Same here. Not only that she also loves the look of the Cheviots ;).
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