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Audio Al
24-08-2017, 10:10
Hi Forum lovers :)

I have seen and own some twisted cables and straight cables , What does twisting a cable do :scratch: and why :scratch:

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M6NTL
24-08-2017, 10:16
Twisting a pair of wires makes the cable less of an antenna/aerial to picking up interference. Common Mode Noise Rejection...

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struth
24-08-2017, 10:17
canceling out electromagnetic interference

Pharos
24-08-2017, 10:34
The idea is that twisting gives as near as possible the same central axis.

Arkless Electronics
24-08-2017, 12:27
It says you need to get out more:eyebrows:

Barry
24-08-2017, 12:30
Wot he said!

SquireC
24-08-2017, 12:52
It will also make the sound worse by making it sound 'sat on' IMHO. Keep all cables from touching each other and anything else (shelves, walls, supports) is my golden rule. Cheap plastic hair claws can be used where cables cross to keep them off each other.

Barry
24-08-2017, 13:00
It will also make the sound worse by making it sound 'sat on' IMHO. Keep all cables from touching each other and anything else (shelves, walls, supports) is my golden rule. Cheap plastic hair claws can be used where cables cross to keep them off each other.

So do you use cable lifters? And if you do, how does it work?

montesquieu
24-08-2017, 13:04
It says you need to get out more:eyebrows:

Tish boom.

Couldn't agree more.

Audio Al
24-08-2017, 13:19
Just as well nearly all my cables and NOT twisted

fatmarley
24-08-2017, 20:44
It turns your cable into an air-cored Inductor :)

Scooby
25-08-2017, 04:25
Increases capacitance if it's + and - of a speaker cable you're twisting together. With some amps, it could get expensive

alphaGT
25-08-2017, 05:44
canceling out electromagnetic interference

What he said...

The phone company came up with it many years ago. The idea, basically, is that any EMF or radio waves that cut across the cable will be canceled out. As the wires keep changing position the voltages created by the crossing magnetic field will keep reversing, and canceling themselves out. So, it may help cut down on hum? Wires in the presence of large transformers can pick up hum, similar to the idea of humbucker pickups in a guitar. Their Idea being that one pickup is wound in one direction, and the other in the opposite. So any hum created by being near electronic equipment, will be equal but opposite and cancel themselves out as they are added together at the output. It actually works. Whether it's large enough to hear in a one meter patch cord is debatable. Most all instrument and microphone cable is made that way, I don't see where it hurts anything.


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RothwellAudio
25-08-2017, 10:13
Here's more detail about twisted pair wiring than you'll probably need:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair

Barry
25-08-2017, 10:33
Here's more detail about twisted pair wiring than you'll probably need:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair

The article is correct in so far as the regular transposing of the open wires suported on telegraph poles helped reduce common mode interference, but neglects to state that the increase in inductance so caused helps to prevent the dispersion of the signal pulse waveform. The idea of deliberately introducing some inductance (to match out the line capacitance) was suggested by Oliver Heaviside (and by Lord Kelvin, who analysed the phenomenon) in the 19th century.

SquireC
25-08-2017, 14:46
So do you use cable lifters? And if you do, how does it work?

Not cable lifters - hair claws (photo attached - hopefully). They're dirt cheap, can get them in various sizes. Even have my speaker cable lifted off the floor with claws spaced out to supoort it (use as few as possible)
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